My question is who made the laws of thermodynamics?
Did the U.S. congress make these laws?
Yep, and if you break them you will go to jail.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics)
and scroll down to "history".
Hi Brien, my understanding of the laws of thermodynamics is that they were created as an axiom, which basicly means that if nobody has been able to prove it wrong then it must be true. These days it's though in schools as a theorem which means it's a fact.
Albert Einstein once said that if the facts don't fit your theory ,then change the facts.
I think that that is what we're trying to do with gravity powered devices
The Laws of Thermodynamics were written by Lord Kelvin . Oh wait a moment , wasnt that the same guy who wrote a mathematical proof that man would never fly?
Quote from: neptune on February 13, 2011, 03:48:36 PM
The Laws of Thermodynamics were written by Lord Kelvin . Oh wait a moment , wasnt that the same guy who wrote a mathematical proof that man would never fly?
good point but kelvin just wrote down what others before him had said... see sadi carnot and his father, they were years ahead of rudolph clausius and william thomson (baron kelvin).
as an aside, it is interesting, maybe even telling that all this was based upon assuming that heat was a gas that could be neither created nor destroyed... ;)
Quote from: getterdone on February 13, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Hi Brien, my understanding of the laws of thermodynamics is that they were created as an axiom, which basicly means that if nobody has been able to prove it wrong then it must be true. These days it's though in schools as a theorem which means it's a fact.
Albert Einstein once said that if the facts don't fit your theory ,then change the facts.
I think that that is what we're trying to do with gravity powered devices
Never mind what Einstein said. Someone like Einstein who can put forth a travesty of science such as Einstein's "theory" of relativity cannot be an authority to be listened to.
Otherwise, you're quite right about the laws of thermodynamics. Astonishingly, the very standard theory of mechanics is in violation of these laws, as I have shown. You don't even need to carry out experiments to prove that they are not of generala validity, although there's also ample experimental evidence already that, say, CoE can be violated.
Einstein's theory of relativity a travesty?
Einsteins theory explained
" Your only as old as the women you feel ", if you think about it long enough, it'll all make sense ;D
Quote from: getterdone on February 20, 2011, 04:02:18 PM
Einstein's theory of relativity a travesty?
Einsteins theory explained
" Your only as old as the women you feel ", if you think about it long enough, it'll all make sense ;D
Is that all you can say in defense of your feeling that Einstein's "theory" of relativity is not travesty of science? Try talking about something else and drop invovling yourself in something you have no clue about.
Quote from: Omnibus on February 20, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
Is that all you can say in defense of your feeling that Einstein's "theory" of relativity is not travesty of science? Try talking about something else and drop invovling yourself in something you have no clue about.
Ok, if Mr. OmniBot has something to say...
Let's all listen to that
Lying Bastard's explanations.
Quote from: neptune on February 13, 2011, 03:48:36 PM
The Laws of Thermodynamics were written by Lord Kelvin . Oh wait a moment , wasnt that the same guy who wrote a mathematical proof that man would never fly?
Lol!
Please, check out the History....
Where is the moderator to ban the spammer @spinn_MP?
Quote from: Omnibus on February 21, 2011, 09:50:37 AM
Where is the moderator to ban @spinn_MP?
Rotfl..
Yep, it's The
Lying Bastard himself...
Where is the moderator to ban the spammer @spinn_MP?
Where's the Moderator to ban the notorious lying bastard, OmniBot?
Sorry, Omnibus..?
Where is the moderator to ban the spammer @spinn_MP?
If you ever wondered how OmniBot made his +5000 posts here....
I'm sure you don't want to know how (and why) he made his previous 45.000 posts....
This thing is absolutely the most successive spamming bot, the trolling Tzar... Of all times...
The spammer @spinn_MP obviously will not stop spamming. Where is the moderator to ban the disruptive element @spinn_MP?
Quote from: brian334 on December 10, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
My question is who made the laws of thermodynamics?
Did the U.S. congress make these laws?
Contrarily to Kelvin, I don't think that the laws of thermodynamics are unbreakable, at least the second one.
But on the other side, I didn't yet see an outlaw with a working machine disobeying thermodynamics.
Quote from: spinn_MP on February 21, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
If you ever wondered how OmniBot made his +5000 posts here....
I'm sure you don't want to know how (and why) he made his previous 45.000 posts....
This thing is absolutely the most successive spamming bot, the trolling Tzar... Of all times...
best part is... he uses a library computer to do it!
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on February 22, 2011, 05:22:47 AM
best part is... he uses a library computer to do it!
Does he really? Did you use your memorized definitions to deduce that?
Like I said, there are several clowns lately that have infested this forum (such infestation occurs periodically) and someone has to take care of them if the forum is to get back to its normal functioning.
Quote from: Omnibus on February 22, 2011, 09:23:45 AM
Does he really? Did you use your memorized definitions to deduce that?
Like I said, there are several clowns lately that have infested this forum (such infestation occurs periodically) and someone has to take care of them if the forum is to get back to its normal functioning.
yes she really does... ::) no deduction necessary, as per her own words:
Quote from: Omnibus on February 10, 2011, 03:00:21 PM
P.S. There's a fire drill in the library so I gotta go. May add something later.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on February 22, 2011, 09:32:04 AM
yes she really does... ::) as per her own words.
Per her own words? Who's she? What words?
You obviously again need someone to spend hours and hours of exchange so that you can eventually understand that faulty logic such as yours, based on memorized definitions, is not good for correct deductions.
Quote from: Omnibus on February 22, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
Per her own words? Who's she? What words?
You obviously again need someone to spend hours and hours of exchange so that you can eventually understand that faulty logic such as yours, based on memorized definitions, is not good for correct deductions.
she is you... ::) what words? the words of yours i quoted in my previous post...
obviously. ::)
here they are again:
Quote from: Omnibus on February 10, 2011, 03:00:21 PM
P.S. There's a fire drill in the library so I gotta go. May add something later.
Listen, pal, go somewhere else to exercise your faulty logic.
Isn't there someone who can take care of these clowns that have infested the forum lately and are actually destroying it? Some of these clowns are obviously zealous activists and some, as the one above, are just plain stupid but nevertheless are disruptive of the discussions in the threads.
I would report them to the librarian.
Quote from: Omnibus on February 22, 2011, 09:49:16 AM
Listen, pal, go somewhere else to exercise your faulty logic.
Isn't there someone who can take care of these clowns that have infested the forum lately and are actually destroying it? Some of these clowns are obviously zealous activists and some, as the one above, are just plain stupid but nevertheless are disruptive of the discussions in the threads.
I will totally agree with you on this point. This forum has devolved into an unmoderated mess. I don't think anyone really cares - Stefan certainly does not appear to. I would recommend the much more ordered overunityresearch.com.
Quote from: utilitarian on February 23, 2011, 12:05:07 PM
I will totally agree with you on this point. This forum has devolved into an unmoderated mess. I don't think anyone really cares - Stefan certainly does not appear to. I would recommend the much more ordered overunityresearch.com.
hey it's the cook! can you provide links to these "self-published publications proving categorically that einstein is correct" of yours? or is that just another one of your claims that you wont back up?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on February 23, 2011, 03:57:54 PM
hey it's the cook! can you provide links to these "self-published publications proving categorically that einstein is correct" of yours? or is that just another one of your claims that you wont back up?
Are you so bored you are just randomly picking fights now? Anyway, I don't really follow this board anymore. The only reason I had to visit regularly was the Lawrence thread, and now it's gone.
Quote from: utilitarian on February 25, 2011, 11:01:28 AM
Are you so bored you are just randomly picking fights now? Anyway, I don't really follow this board anymore. The only reason I had to visit regularly was the Lawrence thread, and now it's gone.
you deftly avoided my question as usual... imagine that. so that's a yes. it was just another one of your claims that you refuse to back up... ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on February 25, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
you deftly avoided my question as usual... imagine that. so that's a yes. it was just another one of your claims that you refuse to back up... ::)
I honestly don't even know what you're talking about.
Keep up the good work Wilby, I always get a kick out of your posts. I think your friend Omnibot was banned from the library. His useless, off topic posts are greatly missed. ::)
The laws of thermodynamics depend on (a) symmetry in (b) closed systems, which is not a reality-based theory. Broken symmetries, in their various forms, contradict the laws of thermodynamics. In reality, there are broken symmetries (in QED, in geometry, etc) and systems are never really 'closed' except in textbooks -- Systems depend on other systems (the Earth is heated by the Sun) etc.
Four Paradoxes Involving the Second Law of
Thermodynamics
Abstract : Recently four independent paradoxes have been proposed which
appear to challenge the second law of thermodynamics [1-8]. These paradoxes
are briefly reviewed. It is shown that each paradox results from a synergism
of two broken symmetries : one geometric, one thermodynamic.
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_12_2_sheehan.pdf