Petrovoltaic is getting voltage from dielectric material such as rocks, water, and many other materials that are semi-conductive. The idea came from Thomas Townsend Brown here is some of his notes on the Petrovoltaic that I suggest reading. http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm)
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As for why the Petrovoltaic cells thread was placed in the Captret Effect forum is a really long story. It all started when I noticed that you could use the case of a electrolytic capacitor as a lead and get some extra energy from it. I and many others started making many circuits and some of them where self charging the battery and others became ran for longer times then it should have. I wanted to find out why extra energy was in these capacitors and this lead me to make my own capacitors out of water which produce power even when they were not charged up. I spent much time trying to figure out why I got power from just water until one day I came along Thomas Townsend Brown Notes of electricity from rocks. Much of what Brown saw in his cell I saw in mine and have come to find out that the Captret Effect is nothing more than utilizing the effect from Petrovoltaics. Brown in his notes even said that Electrolytic capacitors show Petrovoltaic energy and thus this is why Petrovoltaics is in the Captret Effect forum. I didn't know it at the time of making the water captret that I was seeing the Petrovoltaic effect, but now I know and also know many other dielectrics I can use.
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So this thread is here to talk about the Petrovoltaic effects. I've found that you can use rocks, water, glue, concrete(dry or wet), and many others. The main cause of the Petrovoltaic is from gravity waves but the name Petrovoltaics means solid state voltage. Basically Petrovoltaics cells convert the RF noise of gravity waves into a usable electricity that can do work. I started off not know I was messing with the Petrovoltaic effect but now I know and have seen many of the thing Brown has seen, like cell switching polarities when hooked in series.
The biggest complaint I get is that I'm merely playing with Galvanic cells. Galvanic reaction is a chemical process of getting electricity and has nothing to do with Petrovoltaics. Petrovoltaics is getting electricity form dielectric material and the voltages is affect by gravity waves and lunar phases. Some of the difference between a galvanic cell and a Petrovoltaic cell is that a galvanic cell use two different metals to get a voltage while the Petrovoltaic cell uses only one metal for both electrodes thus both metals are equal but yet a voltage is seen. Galvanic Cells break down and get weaker over time while a Petrovoltaic cell does not hold the power in it but is receiving it so shorting it out does not drain it like a galvanic cell and shorting out a Petrovoltaic cell does not destroy the electrodes but shorting out a galvanic cell eats away at one cell and destroys it. So Petrovoltaic cells are not galvanic.
I've learned many and would love to write it all down at once but I've figured some videos would be better. I'll be posting more on what I learn here.
Here's me doing Townsend Brown experiment with a rock (rock electricity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY18yt0ZzM8
Here's a video of a Petrovoltaic Concrete cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-HfWZACZ68
Using Glue as a dielectric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEN7SdkE0mk
Update on glue battery, this shows a lot on what types of cells work good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDrIjy7dS0
This one puzzles me a little but the glue cell was affected by mass of objects near it. could be the gravity waves or the gravitational field on the mass and the cells are picking it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7poA8vmmE
This one shows us a constant voltage of the cell when a quartz is added to the glue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYt2m6VmD1I
More videos and updates will be coming.
Quote from: ibpointless2 on May 02, 2011, 08:40:56 PM
Petrovoltaic is getting voltage from dielectric material such as rocks, water, and many other materials that are semi-conductive. The idea came from Thomas Townsend Brown here is some of his notes on the Petrovoltaic that I suggest reading. http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm)
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As for why the Petrovoltaic cells thread was placed in the Captret Effect forum is a really long story. It all started when I noticed that you could use the case of a electrolytic capacitor as a lead and get some extra energy from it. I and many others started making many circuits and some of them where self charging the battery and others became ran for longer times then it should have. I wanted to find out why extra energy was in these capacitors and this lead me to make my own capacitors out of water which produce power even when they were not charged up. I spent much time trying to figure out why I got power from just water until one day I came along Thomas Townsend Brown Notes of electricity from rocks. Much of what Brown saw in his cell I saw in mine and have come to find out that the Captret Effect is nothing more than utilizing the effect from Petrovoltaics. Brown in his notes even said that Electrolytic capacitors show Petrovoltaic energy and thus this is why Petrovoltaics is in the Captret Effect forum. I didn't know it at the time of making the water captret that I was seeing the Petrovoltaic effect, but now I know and also know many other dielectrics I can use.
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So this thread is here to talk about the Petrovoltaic effects. I've found that you can use rocks, water, glue, concrete(dry or wet), and many others. The main cause of the Petrovoltaic is from gravity waves but the name Petrovoltaics means solid state voltage. Basically Petrovoltaics cells convert the RF noise of gravity waves into a usable electricity that can do work. I started off not know I was messing with the Petrovoltaic effect but now I know and have seen many of the thing Brown has seen, like cell switching polarities when hooked in series.
The biggest complaint I get is that I'm merely playing with Galvanic cells. Galvanic reaction is a chemical process of getting electricity and has nothing to do with Petrovoltaics. Petrovoltaics is getting electricity form dielectric material and the voltages is affect by gravity waves and lunar phases. Some of the difference between a galvanic cell and a Petrovoltaic cell is that a galvanic cell use two different metals to get a voltage while the Petrovoltaic cell uses only one metal for both electrodes thus both metals are equal but yet a voltage is seen. Galvanic Cells break down and get weaker over time while a Petrovoltaic cell does not hold the power in it but is receiving it so shorting it out does not drain it like a galvanic cell and shorting out a Petrovoltaic cell does not destroy the electrodes but shorting out a galvanic cell eats away at one cell and destroys it. So Petrovoltaic cells are not galvanic.
I've learned many and would love to write it all down at once but I've figured some videos would be better. I'll be posting more on what I learn here.
Here's me doing Townsend Brown experiment with a rock (rock electricity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY18yt0ZzM8
Here's a video of a Petrovoltaic Concrete cell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-HfWZACZ68
Using Glue as a dielectric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEN7SdkE0mk
Update on glue battery, this shows a lot on what types of cells work good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDrIjy7dS0
This one puzzles me a little but the glue cell was affected by mass of objects near it. could be the gravity waves or the gravitational field on the mass and the cells are picking it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7poA8vmmE
This one shows us a constant voltage of the cell when a quartz is added to the glue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYt2m6VmD1I
More videos and updates will be coming.
Hi ibpointless2.
I like your experiments, they intrigue me greatly, I am not one to be intrigued like you have done for me, very interesting to say the least. I am greatly excited about the difference in mass differential study when the mass object actually raised the potentiality current, also, I was not aware you were a Mod here, Nice!
anyways, I subscribed and I am following your foot steps just encase I spot something unusual that needs attention.
anyways, I will be doing some hard studies into this but I have to see my daughter off to Pitts-field mass and I need the time to spend with here because it may be years before I see her again.
I am very eager to see what this results into, If I can find a way to greatly enhance this effect. Oh, just by curiosity, have you tried Elmer's 'wood' glue to see if there is a difference in potentiality?
from one scientist to another, cheers! you have found something good to share and trust.
listen up folks, there is something really weird about this, I can say, I believe the effect is real.
I can say I am not easily intrigued in the least but ibpointless2 has severely intrigued me.
Sincerely your friend and subscriber.
Jerry 8)
"Attempting to isolate the petrovoltaic effect from other known phenomena such as piezoelectric, thermoelectric, or pyroelectric phenomena, Townsend Brown shielded his "sensors," consisting of natural rock specimens or manufactured materials, materials from electrostatic, thermal, humidic, and radiation effects. However, the electrical potentials remained, albeit at lower values, and more interestingly, the cyclical nature of the potential was still present." http://www.qualight.com/petro/ (http://www.qualight.com/petro/)
Brown try to eliminate all the other factors that could power these cells and found out that when you removed these effects the power was still alive in the material. When all the other values are removed a potential stayed in the cell at a lower potential thus shows that not only is it getting its power from the Petrovoltaic effect but from all other forums of heat, light, and other RF waves. This goes to show that heat, light, sound, and gravity waves are one in the same; they must be all electromagnetic in some way and these electromagnetic waves are picked up and stored inside these dielectric material. A Petrovoltaic cell could be a wide range RF antenna able to pick up the full or part of the electromagnetic radiation that surrounds us constantly.
Once again this is just my theory.
This insert is showing that solar or light was a force that could act on the cells.
"From 1931 to 1933, the author conducted research at the Naval Research Laboratory (Bellevue,
Washington, D.C.) on the "Anomalous Behavior of Massive High-K Dielectrics." During this
time, evidence was obtained which revealed that the electrical resistivity of certain high-density
dielectrics undergoes solar and sidereal diurnal changes. The results were completely unexpected."
http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Brown_Thomas_Townsend/ELECTRICAL%20SELF-POTENTIAL%20IN%20ROCKS.PDF (http://www.rafoeg.de/20,Dokumentenarchiv/10,Personenbezogenes_Archiv/,Brown_Thomas_Townsend/ELECTRICAL%20SELF-POTENTIAL%20IN%20ROCKS.PDF)
So the more light it got the more conductive the material got thus resulting in some cell to produce more voltage when given light.
It would be interesting to put your samples in the core of an inductor and see how the magnetic field affects them.
I took a cell that normal only outputs around 100mV and I hooked it up to a 1uF capacitor to see if it would charge it to the 100mV. After 12 hours it has charge to the 100mV and then exceeded it and it is now over 500mV. The capacitor was left shorted out for 24 hours before the test started so that rules out an excess charge from the capacitor.
It seems that the cell outputs more power over time. I would like to see a galvanic cell do this. :D
Hooking these cells up to a meter does drain them at first but it will soon find a voltage it likes and stay there for a few minutes until it starts to climb back up. The meter acts like a load, for example hook the volt meter up to a capacitor and watch it drain the capacitor til it gets to 0 volts and then stop because no more power is left in the capacitor. The glue batteries voltage will go down when a meter is hooked to them but will soon start to climb back up in voltage. I've seen this effect of the cells starting to output more voltage when given a load, no other battery can do this.
I've been testing these cells much more throughly. I've had a meter connected to the cell so that I can watch it, the cell is giving a constant output of voltage. I'm testing all factors of humidity, temp, and moon phases. The results I have so far are very young and can not draw definite conclusions from them yet. So far temperature and humidity have some small affect on the cells but they're not proportional though. I can't say for definite that temp and humidity is what powers the cell because the decline or rise in voltage is not proportional to the temp or humidity.
The voltage was the highest when I first connected the cell which was at night. During the day it seem to lost some of the voltage but I don't know if this is because of the night or day, or if the cell is going through a cycle.
I turned off the electricity in my house from the breaker box to test to see if the cell still works. The cell still works and shows a constant output of 3.6mV. 3.6mV was the same amount that I was getting before the power was shut off so that show to me that i'm not merely getting electricity from the house's wiring.
One strange thing about the cell when the power in the house was cut off was that it seemed to respond to my presence. Standing 6 feet away from the cell and waving my arm jump the meter up Milli-volt. If I walk 4 feet in front of it it jumps the meter around too. To make sure I started throwing any non-living thing around but never hitting it. I threw a nickel, paper ball, pen and the cell didn't react to them. If I get a couple feet away from it then it starts reacting as if it responds to living things. It even reacts to my cats when they get near. I find this odd especially since all the power in the house is off and i'm standing 4 feet or 6 feet away. I don't know what is going on but I thought I should let others know to see if the see this effect too. I didn't see it yesterday when I started but the next day I could see it. ???
Quote from: ibpointless2 on May 04, 2011, 12:28:55 PM
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One strange thing about the cell when the power in the house was cut off was that it seemed to respond to my presence
[...]
I didn't see it yesterday [Tuesday] when I started but the next day I could see it. ???
...must be a Wednesday kinda thing! ;)
Quote from: ibpointless2 on May 02, 2011, 08:40:56 PM
This one puzzles me a little but the glue cell was affected by mass of objects near it. could be the gravity waves or the gravitational field on the mass and the cells are picking it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7poA8vmmE
Electromagnetic fields carry energy, momentum, and angular momentum. The momentum density accounts among other things for the pressure of light.
But even static fields can carry momentum, and this would appear to contradict a general theorem that the total momentum of a closed system is zero if its center of energy is at rest. In such cases, there must be some other non-electromagnetic momenta that cancel the field momentum. What is the nature of this “hidden momentum†and what happens to it when the electromagnetic fields are turned off?
Hidden momentum, field momentum, and electromagnetic impulse - www.physics.smu.edu/scalise/P7312sp11/HiddenMomentum.pdf
GB
Bump
Had mentioned this To Smokey
and I see there is a recent topic started here with a few experiments
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20920-petrovoltaics.html
mostly curious about the Electret aspect and holding Charge for some experiments being proposed
recently.
ibpointless2 (http://overunity.com/profile/ibpointless2.24612/),inreresting your glue-experiment.
Now check this out. I watched Dr.Egely´s interview ( 2013 ) The subjet starts at min 12:19
He giveshis talk in english which is interpreted to tschechoslowakian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSenorAkK_E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSenorAkK_E)
What he did not tell the public in this demonstration is what he confessed in another rather private interview which I had seen before:
The material between the two aluminium-plates is just simple household-glue !
I am very glad that I had archived it back then
Mike
Old news. Like 176 years old ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtQGYz4f3YQ
if you have not watched the interview with Dr.Egely posted By Kator 01
you should !!
keep watching past the referenced 12:19 / image he linked above ...to the transmutation of elements in a simple microwave with pencil carbon to iron !
again here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSenorAkK_E
I watched a little of the video, Chet - thanks for posting.
Beginning about 17 minutes, he does an expt with graphite and charcoal (I think those are the ingredients he specified) and shows the material becoming magnetic. Certainly NOT definitive for transmutation of carbon into iron (!), but an interesting claim nonetheless - that should be testable.
Thanks Doc.
I had similar thoughts,
Earlier in life I may have entertained the idea he puts forth
of transmutation.
But after the experiments shared by David Lambright,
we now know that any material can be turned into a magnet.
some just require a greater energy density to magnetize them.
Carbon certainly cannot be excluded from this.
Ok so,
I've been digging a little
It seems there is some credibility to this
First, I came across a few old newspaper clips
random people in places claiming to have "rock batteries"
(of course our famous crystal battery woo-hoo is all up in that one)
Then I came across some scientific studies that shed a little light on the subject.
First, a study done in 1980 on the magnetotelluric properties of Granite.
They examined contaminants and water content as their primary variables.
Data was gathered of resistance, and thermal-dependent conductivity
As well as base-electrical properties, and electrical excitation energy.
Studies undertaken by the IEEE, using granite as a dielectric between capacitor plates
for use in RF-resonators.
And studies by other groups about piezoelectric effects of granites
thermal-piezoelectric effects, thermoelectric effects, and thermomagnetic effects.
The rabbit hole on this one seems very deep.
I am told that Oxford University has an entire filing cabinet full of this stuff, I will see
what I can do about tracking down some of that information, and post anything useful.
It seems there are many variables, including water content, metallic content, temperature,
ambient electric and magnetic fields, as well as silicate content.
Perhaps some random rock experiments are in order?