I was wondering if anyone knew if a beam of light is split, say into two beams,,does it lose energy. Perhaps if light did not lose energy when split, we could take a beam of light, split it into several beams that shine on say solar panels,,if using the right amount of splits so to speak,,,we could get back the same or more energy then we used to make the first beam of light. Or perhaps would lasers work better I wonder for this?
my understanding of this is that the ammount of light energy contained in the beam would also be split.
there are some anomalies, concerning where and how the light will arrive at the end of the two beams,..
but in a general sense, the total energy from the original beam, is equal to the total combined energy from the split beams.
hmm, thought I read about light amplification with lasers, perhaps I misunderstood,,if not then lasers would have done the trick, or perhaps its all just to ahead of its time,or way behind lol. Im not the brightest light on the tree. Was just trying to think of some simple and obvious ways of solving energy issues. Thanks for the reply...
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Light is a bipolar force with both an attractive and repulsive component that can be controlled (http://www.livescience.com/technology/090713-light-push-repulsive-force.html). The discovery was made by splitting infrared light into two beams that each travel on a different length of silicon nanowire, called a waveguide. The two light beams became out of phase with one another, creating a push, or repulsive force, with an intensity that can be controlled; the more out of phase the two light beams, the stronger the force. So, after we use the bipolar force of light, then the two beams could strike a solar panel for additional energy. Please note, this bipolar force is at the nano-scale level. I don't see why we can't amplify the light from the sun with a parabolic dish, then split the high intensity light beam at the focal point into two beams to increase the bipolar force of light so it can be used at the macro-scale level.
The Faraday effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect) causes left and right circularly polarized waves to propagate at slightly different speeds, a property known as circular birefringence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_activity#Theory). Since a linear polarization can be decomposed into two circularly polarized components, the effect of a relative phase shift, induced by the Faraday effect, is to rotate the orientation of a wave's linear polarization. This can also be used to polarize and cause two light beams to become out of phase with each other in addition to the wave-guides. I don't see why they both can't be used together to cause the two light beams to become more out-of-phase with each other to generate a stronger repulsive force.
An optical diode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_isolator), is an optical component which allows the transmission of light in only one direction. It is typically used to prevent unwanted feedback into an optical oscillator, such as a laser cavity. The operation of the device depends on the Faraday effect (which in turn is produced by magneto-optic effect), which is used in the main component, the Faraday rotator. A Faraday rotator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_rotator) is an optical device that rotates the polarization of light due to the Faraday effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect), which in turn is based on a magneto-optic effect.
The Faraday rotator works because one polarization of the input light is in ferromagnetic resonance with the material which causes its phase velocity to be higher than the other.
The polarization dependent isolator, or Faraday isolator, is made of three parts, an input polarizer (polarized vertically), a Faraday rotator, and an output polarizer, called an analyzer (polarized at 45 degrees)
Light traveling in the forward direction becomes polarized vertically by the input polarizer. The Faraday rotator will rotate the polarization by 45 degrees. The analyzer then enables the light to be transmitted through the isolator.
Light traveling in the backward direction becomes polarized at 45 degrees by the analyzer. The Faraday rotator will again rotate the polarization by 45 degrees. This means the light is polarized horizontally (the rotation is sensitive to direction of propagation). Since the polarizer is vertically aligned, the light will be extinguished.
It might seem at first glance that a device that allows light to flow in only one direction would violate Kirchhoff's law and the second law of thermodynamics, by allowing light energy to flow from a cold object to a hot object and blocking it in the other direction, but the violation is avoided because the isolator must absorb (not reflect) the light from the hot object and will eventually re-radiate it to the cold one. There may be a simple solution to this, "Optical wave-guiding using thermal gradients across homogeneous liquids in microfluidic channels (http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~tang/paper/Optical%20waveguiding%20using%20thermal%20gradients%20across%20homogeneous%20liquids%20in%20microfluidic%20channels.pdf)".
The above publication describes the design and operation of a liquid-core liquid-cladding (L2) optical waveguide composed of a thermal gradient across a compositionally homogeneous liquid flowing in a microfluidic channel at low Reynolds number. Two streams of liquid at a higher temperature (the cladding) sandwich a stream of liquid at a lower temperature (the core). This temperature difference results in a contrast in refractive index across the width of the channel that is sufficient to guide light. The use of a single homogeneous liquid in this L2 system simplifies recycling, and facilitates closed-loop operation. Furthermore, with radiative and inline heating of the liquids, it should be possible to reconfigure this optical system with considerable flexibility.
Liquids, such as water, can be used as a waveguide for light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQ8fh_Fp04). The solar death ray can do the heating of the liquids needed for this optical thermal gradient waveguide. By using two waveguides of a different length, then the two light beams will become out-of-phase with each other to create a repulsive force that can be controlled.
An alternative to using a parabolic dish, the Double Cylindrical Point Focus Principle (DCPF) (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7551-19y-o-kid-covers-satelite-dish-mirrors-creates-death-ray-2.html#post138335) could be used as an antenna.
If a person is creative, then the above concept could be designed and tested.
GB
"Reference Links" are in bold.
'Optical Battery' Discovery Could Mean Solar Power Without Solar Cells, and is 100 million times stronger than thought possible (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/optical-battery-discovery-solar_n_855499.html).
The report explains that light has both electric and magnetic components but, until now, scientists believed the magnetic field effects were weak enough that they could be ignored. Rand and his fellow researchers, however, found that at the right intensity, when light is traveling through a material that does not conduct electricity, the light field can generate magnetic effects that are 100 million times stronger than thought possible. Under these circumstances, says Rand, the magnetic fields become similar in strength to a strong electric effect.
Before, this effect had only been observed in crystalline materials that possessed a certain symmetry. This process works with materials such as glass, but presently requires light that surpasses the sun’s natural intensity. Fisher indicated they were working on finding materials that would work at lower light intensity.
A parabolic dish or the DCPF principal can be used to surpass the sun's natural intensity, so we can use materials which are readily available today. Combine the concepts of my previous post with this post, and a very powerful system can be built with the right setup.
GB
Quote from: sm0ky2 on May 27, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
my understanding of this is that the ammount of light energy contained in the beam would also be split.
there are some anomalies, concerning where and how the light will arrive at the end of the two beams,..
but in a general sense, the total energy from the original beam, is equal to the total combined energy from the split beams.
That's the problem, the total amount of light energy contained in the beam isn't being tapped by a solar cell. The total energy can be tapped by splitting the light into multiple beams and/or by allowing the light of an appropriate intensity to propagate through certain materials. Also, mainstream physicists underestimated the strength of one of these effects by 100,000,000 times.
GB
@GB
im not denying the fact that more energy from a light beam can be tapped than we are currently achieving.
i believe the question was pertaining to the number of photons passing through a lightbeam at any given time,
and wether or not this number would stay the same or double, when the light beam was split into two beams.
I was a big follower of the Solar-Death-Ray project, and have constructed "multiple-sun" devices myself that gather more energy from the sun over a given area than the standard "solar cell" is capable of.
Ed Leedskalnin demonstrated the magnetic effects of light to the world long before most of us were ever born. Science tends to ignore things it cannot explain until an acceptable explaination comes along.
examining the data on the above work, i believe that 100 million times is a very modest estimate, and is actually a time-based infinite amplification. similar to a resonant wave, and that if you had "fiber-optic" cables of infinite length for light to pass through the medium,
you would have infinite energy.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on May 29, 2011, 03:05:27 AM
examining the data on the above work, i believe that 100 million times is a very modest estimate, and is actually a time-based infinite amplification. similar to a resonant wave, and that if you had "fiber-optic" cables of infinite length for light to pass through the medium, you would have infinite energy.
I agree. Well said
GB
Quote from: sm0ky2 on May 29, 2011, 03:05:27 AM
Ed Leedskalnin demonstrated the magnetic effects of light to the world long before most of us were ever born. Science tends to ignore things it cannot explain until an acceptable explanation comes along.
Ed did refer to creating lots of light with his generator, in his book titled "magnetic currents", and he did experiment with glass bottles. Maybe he did use the effects of the light-field to move the stones by creating some-kind of infinite optical feedback loop. This is another excellent observation made by you. I also made a connection with the optical battery to Coral Castle in this post at the energeticforum, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7551-19y-o-kid-covers-satelite-dish-mirrors-creates-death-ray-3.html#post140568
If you follow the above link, then read the last paragraph of the post to save time from having to re-read the abstract on the optical battery. Below is a snippet of that post. If you decide to figure out or post information on how Ed used the effects of the light-field to move the stones, then please let me know what thread you choose to have this discussion in, because there many threads regarding Coral Castle on this forum. I really appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks.
Quote from: gravityblock
What was Ed Leedskalnin using the glass bottles for? Was he using this process in reverse to achieve magnetic effects that were 100 million times stronger than thought possible.
GB
I have taken a solar cell, that had room light shining on it and measured it at a constant voltage, almost no variations. The at the same time while it was connected to the meter used a mirror and reflected another beam from the same source onto the solar panel and the power increased. Perhaps something to this effect can also be used in my first post as a way to get a type of self sustaining form of energy. Just another thought on the subject, personally Im sure such is possible, but how long till such gets into mainstream,,or even mainstream science as a viable energy source I wonder.
QuoteThat's the problem, the total amount of light energy contained in the beam isn't being tapped by a solar cell.
The materiel's used seem to be certain light frequencies dependent.
QuoteThe total energy can be tapped by splitting the light into multiple beams and/or by allowing the light of an appropriate intensity to propagate through certain materials
I would think it depends on certain frequencies more than intensity.
From what Ive read the theory is that only 30% efficiency can be obtained using the present silicone materiel's because of frequencies. Other frequencies heat the materiel up causing interference.
Quoteused a mirror and reflected another beam from the same source onto the solar panel and the power increased.
That makes sense as it seems the certain frequencies were doubled. A fun experiment would be taking a prism, then using optic fiber tapping into a certain color and focusing it on a solar cell. I would assume this has already been done.
I have taken pics of sunlight on metal through plain screening using a plain camera. Using binoculars you can focus in and have clarity on both the vertical and horizontal. I searched for months trying to find similar pics but couldnt find any. The pattern of frequencies is constantly repeated. It really is spectacular to see especially on smaller pieces of metal. I dont have a telephoto or binocular type camera. I would like to know the reason for the repeating frequencies.
@IotaYodi Yes I have seen what you speak of as well,,as I moved to the left or right the colors changed,,very pretty was through screen, I dont recall if metal was behind it or so on,,but I do remember seeing this. I can only assume the screen itself was splitting the color of white light, or something to that effect, very pretty however,,colorful.
Quote from: IotaYodi on May 29, 2011, 10:04:19 AM
The materiel's used seem to be certain light frequencies dependent.
I would think it depends on certain frequencies more than intensity.
From what Ive read the theory is that only 30% efficiency can be obtained using the present silicone material's because of frequencies. Other frequencies heat the materiel up causing interference.
Below is a quote from the article on the optical battery. As you can see, the harvesting technique only requires lenses to focus the light and fiber to carry, and glass works for both, while transparent ceramics might be even better. The article also stated that the material presently requires light that surpasses the sun’s natural intensity and says nothing about the material being frequency dependent. This concept doesn't rely on silicon-based solar cells, thus there is no need to worry about certain frequencies heating up the silicon based materials to cause interference. The transparent ceramic would take care of the heating issues in this system, thus it could operate over a much broader range of frequencies as compared to a normal solar cell, which allows the efficiency to be greatly increased. Did you read the article?
Also, Optical wave-guiding using thermal gradients across homogeneous liquids in microfluidic channels would be another option for testing purposes instead of glass or transparent ceramics. This method allows for radiative and inline heating while facilitating closed-loop operation. The inline heating can be naturally done in this system. The temperature difference between the channels could also be used by a Sterling engine for additional energy and to help radiate the absorbed heat to keep the channels at their optimal temperatures. A link to this optical wave-guiding method can be found in post #3 of this thread.
QuoteFisher notes that a solar cell using this new energy harvesting technique would only require lenses to focus the light and fiber to carry it. “Glass works for both,†said Fisher, â€it’s already made in bulk, and it doesn’t require as much processing. Transparent ceramics might be even better.â€
QuoteDid you read the article?
I did now. Pretty slick but it is complicated.
QuoteThe article also stated that the material presently requires light that surpasses the sun’s natural intensity and says nothing about the material being frequency dependent.
It must be able to utilize a broader spectrum the way its made. The heat with the radiative cooling is intriguing. Definitely not doped with pnp/npn so I guess that negates any dependent frequencies.
QuoteI can only assume the screen itself was splitting the color of white light, or something to that effect, very pretty however,,colorful.
Its called diffraction. If you havent tried it with binoculars do so. You have to see a bright reflection coming off a shiny metal object. Too close of a distance you cant focus it well. You can get about the same effect at night off yard lights.
Heres a little something on diffraction and apertures for guiding light from FSU here in Florida.
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/diffraction/basicdiffraction/index.html
Great thread by the way. Im a firm believer that there is great power in the light. We just have to look at it without being blinded by conventions.
Check this out. Nano solar cells.
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3286
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10772.msg288796#new
Quote from: gravityblock on May 29, 2011, 06:19:19 AM
Ed did refer to creating lots of light with his generator, in his book titled "magnetic currents", and he did experiment with glass bottles.
Consider the dissectible capacitor vid,
after inner and outer plates are removed,
it becomes clear the charge is in the dielectric (glass...).
What if the plates are what is not needed, when it comes to light?
Reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg
QuoteWhat if the plates are what is not needed, when it comes to light?
Interesting thought. Glass is naturally negative and has sodium. Wonder if molten glass could be charged up while forming.
Quote from: gravityblock on May 28, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Please note: Everything highlighted in "bold" is a reference link.
Light is a bipolar force with both an attractive and repulsive component that can be controlled (http://www.livescience.com/technology/090713-light-push-repulsive-force.html). The discovery was made by splitting infrared light into two beams that each travel on a different length of silicon nanowire, called a waveguide. The two light beams became out of phase with one another, creating a push, or repulsive force, with an intensity that can be controlled; the more out of phase the two light beams, the stronger the force. So, after we use the bipolar force of light, then the two beams could strike a solar panel for additional energy. Please note, this bipolar force is at the nano-scale level. I don't see why we can't amplify the light from the sun with a parabolic dish, then split the high intensity light beam at the focal point into two beams to increase the bipolar force of light so it can be used at the macro-scale level.
The Faraday effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect) causes left and right circularly polarized waves to propagate at slightly different speeds, a property known as circular birefringence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_activity#Theory). Since a linear polarization can be decomposed into two circularly polarized components, the effect of a relative phase shift, induced by the Faraday effect, is to rotate the orientation of a wave's linear polarization. This can also be used to polarize and cause two light beams to become out of phase with each other in addition to the wave-guides. I don't see why they both can't be used together to cause the two light beams to become more out-of-phase with each other to generate a stronger repulsive force.
An optical diode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_isolator), is an optical component which allows the transmission of light in only one direction. It is typically used to prevent unwanted feedback into an optical oscillator, such as a laser cavity. The operation of the device depends on the Faraday effect (which in turn is produced by magneto-optic effect), which is used in the main component, the Faraday rotator. A Faraday rotator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_rotator) is an optical device that rotates the polarization of light due to the Faraday effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect), which in turn is based on a magneto-optic effect.
The Faraday rotator works because one polarization of the input light is in ferromagnetic resonance with the material which causes its phase velocity to be higher than the other.
The polarization dependent isolator, or Faraday isolator, is made of three parts, an input polarizer (polarized vertically), a Faraday rotator, and an output polarizer, called an analyzer (polarized at 45 degrees)
Light traveling in the forward direction becomes polarized vertically by the input polarizer. The Faraday rotator will rotate the polarization by 45 degrees. The analyzer then enables the light to be transmitted through the isolator.
Light traveling in the backward direction becomes polarized at 45 degrees by the analyzer. The Faraday rotator will again rotate the polarization by 45 degrees. This means the light is polarized horizontally (the rotation is sensitive to direction of propagation). Since the polarizer is vertically aligned, the light will be extinguished.
It might seem at first glance that a device that allows light to flow in only one direction would violate Kirchhoff's law and the second law of thermodynamics, by allowing light energy to flow from a cold object to a hot object and blocking it in the other direction, but the violation is avoided because the isolator must absorb (not reflect) the light from the hot object and will eventually re-radiate it to the cold one. There may be a simple solution to this, "Optical wave-guiding using thermal gradients across homogeneous liquids in microfluidic channels (http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~tang/paper/Optical%20waveguiding%20using%20thermal%20gradients%20across%20homogeneous%20liquids%20in%20microfluidic%20channels.pdf)".
The above publication describes the design and operation of a liquid-core liquid-cladding (L2) optical waveguide composed of a thermal gradient across a compositionally homogeneous liquid flowing in a microfluidic channel at low Reynolds number. Two streams of liquid at a higher temperature (the cladding) sandwich a stream of liquid at a lower temperature (the core). This temperature difference results in a contrast in refractive index across the width of the channel that is sufficient to guide light. The use of a single homogeneous liquid in this L2 system simplifies recycling, and facilitates closed-loop operation. Furthermore, with radiative and inline heating of the liquids, it should be possible to reconfigure this optical system with considerable flexibility.
Liquids, such as water, can be used as a waveguide for light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQ8fh_Fp04). The solar death ray can do the heating of the liquids needed for this optical thermal gradient waveguide. By using two waveguides of a different length, then the two light beams will become out-of-phase with each other to create a repulsive force that can be controlled.
An alternative to using a parabolic dish, the Double Cylindrical Point Focus Principle (DCPF) (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7551-19y-o-kid-covers-satelite-dish-mirrors-creates-death-ray-2.html#post138335) could be used as an antenna.
If a person is creative, then the above concept could be designed and tested.
GB
This answers many things to me.....thank you thank you thank you.
As wavelength decay happens, elements change from one form to another to another and so on. This may just mean that all elements have ALL the same duality and all the same characteristics in respect to each other but displayed differently due to their atomic makeup acting in respect to magnetic displacements. John Hutchinson (the unique) shows us what happens when two energies combine, the elements magnetic fields disrupt and repel its like atoms. We have the key to gravity now.
So what will we do with this knowledge? We can build a formula to chart reactions and learn how to manipulate matters. What a threshold we are standing at! LOL! If we think about using this on electric fields we can make it suddenly repel the charges that normally are attracted to each other. Instantaneously we have great movement of each atom against the next, then we can turn off this disruption and the charge will once again move back together. TaDA!!! Solid state power generation.
Corning Gorilla Glass contains aluminum and has partials that can be charged and then aligned.
If you split light equally into two different beams you get half the
total energy in each beam. The interesting thing is if you combine
them and control their phase they can be made to create an
interference pattern. The interference pattern states that you are
combining waves. While the equation for photoreceptors says
you are combining packets (of EMF). This isn't resolved but the
dichotomy is accepted in quantum mechanics - the difference
between our macroscopic world view and nanoscopic regimes.
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A laser - Light Amplification through the Stimulation of Emission
of Radiation, is caused by the synchronous reset of the electrons
around a ionized (pumped) matter due to other light already in
the optical cavity. These phase syncronous beams build up
until they overflow their cavity and their external beams do
not diverge as they do in a r^2 emf chaotic sphereical radiator.
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A glass lens has a difference in the index of refraction that depends
on the color (frequency) of the light going though them, so color
collaminated lenses have a composition that varies through their
volumes. This can be done well in expensive lenses or done poorly,
and is very important in astronomy. Also fluoridated glass can be
used as a non-linear optical frequency multiplier either as
optical frequency doubler or tripler.
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If you want an effect that "blows my/your mind" look at a UV
phosphorescent orange color such as that of a emergency
sign with the sun reflecting on it, over a distance with a pair
of binoculars. There becomes an orange haze around the
color area object the consistency of which seems defy
scientific explanation, completely inconsistent with any
other distortion in the rest of the image.
:S:MarkSCoffman