Thank God for Replicators
The Lutec people sound nice but I predict the first and only true free energy machine will come from someone who freely publishes the exact designs with parts list, where they bought the parts, of an easy to build, inexpensive, public domain, self running / smoking gun, free energy machine that will hopefully put out sufficient power. Additionally they should provide details of the power and efficiency measurements. How can we expect anything less?
I hope nobody gets discouraged by all the noise in the free energy community. I see far too many people making claims without any evidence. Sometimes they even publish their designs, and God Bless those who always take the time to replicate it.
My main concern is that when the real deal arrives, that everyone is not burnt out, discouraged, and skeptical!!!!!!! When such a person provides the following, then I hope everyone builds it:
- Detailed designs.
- Exact parts list including where people can buy such parts. If some of the parts are custom made, then provide detailed descriptions of the making process with close up photos with accurate measurements. A caliper works great and is not expensive.
- Provide efficiency measurements, hopefully with photos of the instruments.
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By providing the above, anyone who knows how to measure efficiency can determine if you're machine is the real deal. This can save a lot of time and money from legitimate researchers and people who take the time to replicate. If they determine your machine is generating free energy, then they can build it. If replicators have free time and are searching for a machine to replicate, and according to your efficiency measurements and design they think your machine has potential, then by all means please replicate. Just please don't get discouraged if the machine turns out to be a noise generator; i.e., machines designed by people who just want to cause discouragement and noise in the free energy community.
Once you have verified your machine is generating free energy, then I believe time is of the essence. It's
vital that you get the information out to the public as quickly as possible. The clock will be ticking. Just please be absolutely certain you have the real deal. You must have the Smoking Gun. That is, a machine that recirculates enough energy back into itself so that it will run forever in addition to producing sufficient extra power. I think a good demonstration is to burn florescent light bulbs. If you have the smoking gun, then take the time to create a detailed paper how anyone would build such a machine. Clearly state at the top your machine is freely published, that you have no intensions of scamming the public, no stocks for sell, nothing. Be very specific. Make as many Xerox copies as you can when the paper is complete. You will want to hand out thousands. Email the paper to the free energy forums and website admins. Hit the road as soon as possible and demonstrate your machine to everyone while handing out your paper. Make sure everyone knows you are not selling but rather freely publishing the designs. Try your best to get media attention. Demonstrate your machine to as many people as possible, but please don't break any laws and cause traffic jams, etc. The police may see you as a quack and arrest you. The idea is to hand out as many copies of your paper as possible. If you can get enough people to replicate your machine then it will take off on its own. Eventually, if you can afford, you'll want to build as many units as you can, within a reasonable amount of time. Find scientists or teachers that you trust, someone who's around a lot of people. You can lend them a copy of your machine. Just imagine what an electronics teacher would think if you walked in his or her class with an open machine that's clearly generating a lot of free energy. The idea is to generate a spark in the public-- to get enough people building your machine. This may sound simple, but it's very possible you'll have to push your machine. The public will be skeptical. Don't waste your time trying to convince people. There will always be people who will believe. It's a numbers game. If you get enough people replicating your machine then it will take off. You'll increase your chances and speed up the process with more people replicating your machine. You know the old saying, "You snooze you lose."
Kind regards,
Paul
Paul,
I have the smoking gun and have been slowly realeasing how it functions. The real deal has arrived. What I predict is that the real deal will go un-noticed or that it will not be percieved as the real deal because it will not be handed out without a price. I guess it is better this way because it will attract less attention in the long run.
-Bruce P.
Dear Bruce,
You say that you're slowly releasing its functionality. That implies that you are not yet finished releasing its functionality.
What you describe IMHO is not in the same class as what I'm describing. I'm talking about a machine that anyone can build for under a few hundred dollars in a reasonable amount of time. I'm talking about complete build instructions down to every detail including where the inventor purchased ever parts. If anyone can order the parts and build it in a reasonable amount of time and if it generates at least a kilowatt of power then such a public domain machine will take off globally in a matter of weeks.
I wish that you would release everything. Until then I cannot take anything you say seriously.
Sincerely,
Paul
Thank You Paul,
What your saying is the truth bro! On the other hand, I've simply supplied certain information that was openly spoken as therorum, based upon known physical principals, which were immediately taken to great hights by certain major FE/AE enthusiasts, who are apparently watching every post within the forums like vultures waiting for something to die. Thats how I got hooked into public exposure to begin with. I think Bruce can figure out who I'm talking about, because this particular guy seems to be Bruce's arch enemy, lol. Bruce, you have been talking about having the real deal for a long-long time my friend, but when you make those kinds of claims, you have to know that people are going to be extremely suspicious, of both your claims and your motives. I'll tell you straight out, that if I had something in my very hands at this very moment that could provide a means of power, which could free us all from the power of the oil cartels, and I refused to release the full and complete information to the public, and for that matter the entire world, I would not be able to live with myself! I am currently working as hard as I am physically, financially, and mentally able to do, to see if my therories will prove out to be fact, and when and if I am successful, the world will know immediately and without hesitation, because there is so very much more at stake here than personal pride and/or my own bank account, which by the way I don't even have anymore, lol. I did not want or intend for things to go before the entire world as they have, but at least people will know that I am not hiding one single tiny little thing, and that is what I would expect from anyone else who would realistically expect to find any respect or support in their efforts. Believe me Bruce, I know your story, I have watched you for many years, along with every other person making claims of alternative energy technologies. When someone makes claims to have something in their posession that could change the world the way a true free energy technology could, but refuses to release that technology, they are either a liar, a cheat, and a complete fraud, or they are simply the most selfish and disgusting being on the planet in my opinion! I know that the truth hurts sometimes, and I'm not trying to attack or degrade anyone here, but it is the truth, and we all know it. Do not insult the intelligence of every member of this group unless you are ready to back up your words with substance. There are many people who share the lists with known and/or percieved frauds, and there are some who believe their own claims, and are well meaning, and with good intensions, but the size of that list keeps growing every year, and it is perhaps the kind of thing which will cause people to lose heart and give up. I know, and have seen many technologies which have been and remain hidden from the public, and so I will not lose heart, but there is the other 99.995% of the population that has never seen these things with their own eye's, and cannot be expected to trust any one persons word on anything in the times in which we are living. Bruce, if you have something, release it, God will bless you for it, if not on this plain, then the next. At least you will have peace of mind knowing that you did NOT pass on as just another name on that list, and that you have contributed something extremely valuable to your fellow man. PLEASE! The time is coming, and which you are already aware and have voiced it yourself, that money will no longer be worth a mound of maggots. How do you want to be remembered my friend?
MOST Sincerely,
J.D.
I want the world to benefit from the diode array as soon as possible and expect it to quickly become a commodity where all producers have to race towards ever lower sales price and increasing production once it makes clearly noticable power. For the moment it has to be refined with expensive nanofabrication equipment. A lot of this equipment is in the heart of academia where a solid backbone of people accept the second law of thermodynamics and don't want to consider that 2LT fades on the nanometer scale. If (This is the scientific if) the diode array works then applied nanofabrication equipment should evolve with rapidy declining cost. The great break hasn't come yet - the concept has not been built on nanofabrication equipment so far. People can replicate the proof of principle prototype with stray microchips and some lab technique to see if more than 1/2 kTB can be obtained from heat with no bulk temperature difference. This replication is expensive and the output is small but the original experiments have encouraged me. The latest ray of hope is that a man from Honeywell contacted me after hearing me call in to Coast to Coast Weekend with Art Bell when Charles Ostgood, a nanotechnology expert was a guest. Let's get this massive show on the road.
Sweet. As long as Honeywell doesn't bury it. So you have a detailed manufacturing process and specifications you can email me? I have some people (ex acedemians) I'd like to show it to.... they have the access to such equipment, and if (that is the crossing-my-fingers if) I can persuade them, they might be willing to give this a whirl and bring out the first nanofabricated prototype.
Hi Charlie,
? ?Why not ask Stefan if he can post the info., & diagrams somewhere for all to see? If this is an original, then you've already got a great many witnesses that it was your baby, right? Your already well known in the energy circles and we can't afford to wait for corporation's to decide when to move on it, we all know thats for sure! Honeywell contracts heavily with the military besides, and it all goes back to the dark side if-you-will, lol. Let's keep this in the open Charlie, that way it's not likely to disappear into the shadows.
Cheers,
Bush WACKER
Dear Charlie,
If you have the real deal then I'm rooting for you all the way. Do you have any working evidence? I think this is key before a company or person will invest.
Paul
The evidence was obtained in 1993 by commissioning a lab that I lost track of to convert a microchip diode patch of ~5,600 2.3 micron dia Au anodes in SiO2 on N type GaAs from what is now Virginia Diodes Inc. into a diode array by applying conductive paste to its face and testing it. The tests showed ~25 kTB which is somewhat more than the 1/2 kTB theoretically possible from one perfect diode, demonstrating that Johnson Noise can be rectified and aggregated which means that the diode array works in principle. This is a strong challenge to 2LT. Replication of experiments would be appreciated. Moving on to a practical prototype be improving the performance many orders of magnitude by applying C60 buckyballs at a concentration of 10^11 / cm2 to the face of a micrometer thick N type InSb substrate would be bolder. The world waits in desperate circumstances.
Aloha, Charlie
That's great. Truthfully I think you'll need to work your b.u.t.t. off to get the investment $. I think it's very possible but since you do not have the device then you'll have to assure such a company that it will work and that you're not going to run off with their money.
Perhaps it would be far easier to work out a deal with such a company to provide you access at their company. In other words, they could provide you with room to work at their company thereby giving you access to their equipment. This would allow you to build a working model for the means of simply proving that it works. Once that is established then I am certain they will focus every once of the companies energy on you. What do you think?
Sincerely,
Paul
an idea is as strong as it's weakest link.
being a primadonna and sitting on a real idea has been shown to be a quick ticket to the morgue.
instead of being a sitting duck for all the big gun industerialist, give away 'a basic working system', then do as the brownbag software folks have done for years. when an idea or a system is proven in the real world of daily useage, the idea sells itself. when many different people have a real working system or item in hand, you can sell the 'upgrades for your profit'.(read this as 'delayed larger profit'.)
if an idea is really useful, such as new or novel software, the brownbag system of distribution is a viable way for distribution of those ideas and software and equipment. (and it has proven to keep honest folks out of the morgue)
i suggest this brownbag way of 'selling/profiting' may merit being investigated as a viable way to 'sell your ideas' without having to die for them..
dan
100 years ago the idea of securing a patent on ones conceptual idea's/inventions was intended to provide a level of security to the individual/inventor. Now days things are considerably different! Corporations have become multi-billion dollar power broker's who can easily pay whatever is required to get around the problem and security that patents used to provide in helping the little guy. All that is needed to obtain their own new patent is to make almost any slight change to the original patent design/specifications, and that is all it takes to obtain controll from that point on. Today it is much wiser to register for a trademark application for a product than to bother with all the mess and legal issues involved with securing a patent. Once a product or technology has a registered trademark/name, and goes into widespread distribution, people will remember and recognize that name and/or trademark as symbolic of the product or technology. The secret to being successful at marketing something and building a name for something is in production and widespread distribution nowdays, and the little guy no longer stands a snowballs chance in he__ to make it in the big league so-to-speak if he/she wastes their time worrying about securing a patent before going into production. The patent system is outdated and obsolete anymore because it no longer provides the kind of safety that it was originally set-up to provide for the little guy. So, I agree with Dan on this one.
Cheers,
Bush Wacker
Yes but we're talking about giving the world free energy, not making an individual filthy rich. I say to first publish. Publishing only takes a matter of minutes on the internet. I don't know much about patents but if it's that difficult then what about my suggestion for a quick self patent. There are a lot of books on the self patent method.
Sincerely,
Paul
Dear Bush Wacker,
Quote from: BushWacker on April 14, 2005, 06:41:24 PM
Today it is much wiser to register for a trademark application for a product than to bother with all the mess and legal issues involved with securing a patent.
I was just told that a trademark would give the inventor no protection. Is this true?
Sincerely,
Paul
I work for two of the most recognised Intellectual Property authorities in the states (one of them around the world).--they have testified before the legilatures of the US, Japan, China, Indonesia, et al. I can tell you that TM protection is different from Patent in that you trade mark names, slogans, and logos. The function of the device is a non-issue. If you wanted to protect a box that you claimed fairies lived in, you could. If you called it the Fairy Palace, no one else would be able to use that name, also the graphic of how you present that name is protected. TM is marketing protection, it is pretty strong, at that. Branding(as it is called) is oftem more important than function or quality. It is easier to get a TM registered, than a patent, and even similar names and logos can be prosecuted.
Dear Kysmett,
Thank you for the info. I am trying to clear this up. All I can do is quote what other people have said. Please refer or even post at the following thread,
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.legal/browse_frm/thread/cad68b3827840669/b8fb0991d9d99d67#b8fb0991d9d99d67
I would very much like to clear this up. Could you please break down the advantages and disadvantages to publishing, patenting, and trademarks.
Thanks,
Paul
Dear Kysmett,
I would like quote a reply to your post,
"Trademarking would offer no protection to the device but would protect the phrase 'Fairy Palace'. Your competitors would copy your device, put it in a different typeof box, and sell it under the name "Houri House". This would probably not violate your trademark."
Does everyone agree with that? If so, then how could a Trademark protect a device? It's the device you want to protect, not the name. Please explain.
Sincerely,
Paul
Here is another public statement in the misc.legal thread:
Quote,
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You're probably best off first applying for a patent, and then
publishing information about your device.
In most of the world, if your invention is published before you apply
for a patent, then you have lost your patent rights. The United States
is one of the few exceptions; in the US you have one year to apply for
a patent after publication.
US patent law (and I believe world-wide) requires that the application
be made by a "true inventor." If someone else were to read your
publication, and then apply for a patent on your invention it would be
fraud and a valid patent would not issue.
One disadvantage of publicly disclosing your invention prior to
applying for a patent is that others may publish or apply for patents
on related inventions. This could limit the value of your patent.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "self-patent." A patent is
a privilege conferred by a government - it gives you the right to sue
someone else for infringing your patented invention.
If by "self-patent" you mean apply for a patent yourself, the legal
term is a "pro se" application. It is your right to file pro se
- at least in the United States. You should know however, that
patent applications are complex documents and the patent office
procedures are quite involved. You may wish to look at the US Patent &
Trademark Office website (http://www.uspto.gov/main/patents.htm). A
list of registered patent agents and patent attorneys is linked to that
page.
Good luck,
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Registered Patent Agent
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Although, if you such an inventor has a legitimate free energy device, and you chose to first patent, then I strongly recommend that you mail the complete exact build instructions of such a machine to numerous trusted people. If anything ever happened to you, then at least the world would get the technology. Anyone who is seriously on the verge of building a legitimate free energy device is advised to set up such an agreement with people in advance. It would be nice if such people could sign an agreement that they will not publish and/or patent such information unless they do not hear from you within a certain amount of days.
I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this topic.
Sincerely,
Paul
Howdy Hi, 8)
About a year or two before Howard Johnson's magnetic motor/generator hit the news, I had already put the idea and information in a legally sealed package, along with a legal notice which was signed by three witnesses and stamped and signed by a legal notary public. I mailed the package to myself which provided the postal stamp and date that the package was mailed. I had the package placed in a large vault and then gave instructions to 12 people of whom I will not name, and instructions that upon my death or disappearance, the vault would be opened and the 12 people would then distribute the information as far around the globe as possible by various means. This was before the threats to my life, and may just be the reason I am still here guy's. Call me crazy, or whatever you like, but I had spent several years learning about patents, copywrites, trademarks, etc.., and no matter what you think about it all, or how much money you can afford to spend on all the legal stuff, there are multi-billion dollar corporations that can get around it all. I had talked to many lawyer's and patent experts, and even joined a state inventor's congress before finally learning the truth about all the details. If you are worried about someone taking credit for your idea's and/or work, there are people who have more than enough money to change written history if they want to. I'm not hear to argue, I just wanted to tell you what it had taken me years to finally learn. Everyone must make their own choices, and everyone has their own opinions.
Bush Wacker
Dear Bush Wacker,
Quote from: BushWacker on April 15, 2005, 02:08:11 PM
I'm not hear to argue, I just wanted to tell you what it had taken me years to finally learn. Everyone must make their own choices, and everyone has their own opinions.
Nobody is trying to argue with you.
Quote from: BushWacker on April 15, 2005, 02:08:11 PM
If you are worried about someone taking credit for your idea's and/or work, there are people who have more than enough money to change written history if they want to.
No, I am trying to provide a means where by the inventor can provide as much assurance as possible that the invention can be controlled for the benefit of the world. This has nothing to do with personal ego.
Quote from: BushWacker on April 15, 2005, 02:08:11 PM
About a year or two before Howard Johnson's magnetic motor/generator hit the news, I had already put the idea and information in a legally sealed package, along with a legal notice which was signed by three witnesses and stamped and signed by a legal notary public. I mailed the package to myself which provided the postal stamp and date that the package was mailed. I had the package placed in a large vault and then gave instructions to 12 people of whom I will not name, and instructions that upon my death or disappearance, the vault would be opened and the 12 people would then distribute the information as far around the globe as possible by various means.
Good idea. That's what I am also suggesting. I'm open further details and ideas from anyone.
Quote from: BushWacker on April 15, 2005, 02:08:11 PM
no matter what you think about it all, or how much money you can afford to spend on all the legal stuff, there are multi-billion dollar corporations that can get around it all. I had talked to many lawyer's and patent experts, and even joined a state inventor's congress before finally learning the truth about all the details.
There are no guarantees with anything in life Bush Wacker. The idea is to increase your chances as best you can. I do not subscribe to the mentality that if something's not a guarantee then why use it? Rather, IMHO I'll take every advantage that I can. Patents are no guarantee but from what I've heard so far it is by far the best option. I am still waiting for anyone to provide some facts why a trademark is better than a patent. Dave at the misc.legal has provided some good points. He is saying that the Trademark protects the name, not the actual machine. Are you still suggesting to these people here that they do a trademark rather than a patent or publish?
Sincerely,
Paul
Hi Paul,
I am just trying to save people from spending years of their time to find out what I did in the end. I am not against applying for a patent at all, and believe that you should do that if that is what you feel comfortable doing. I can't make decissions for other's and I sure don't want to. It is true that a trademark only protects the name of something, but nowdays corporations just take your patent, twist it and mold it, and file their own patent. If you don't have a name already out there that people will recognize and relate to the product to begin with, large company's already do, and people will usually by from a name they are familiar with. thats all I'm trying to get accross. You can apply for a patent with a fairly minimum investment, but it usually takes a long time to get through the patent office, and in the end, can cost you a lot of money. By that time, the hawks have spotted the new product because they watch daily. These are professionals who are hired by large company's to do just that. Since we all know that there are eventually many brand names out there who eventually wind up selling the same essential products and technologies, it should be obvious what big money can do! It is a brave new world Paul. Yes, apply for a patent if you feel you need to, but get a regestered trademark also, and get the product out right away after you do these things so that your product and name become associated with each other in the minds of the general population. You will of coarse find that you have some pretty heavy competitors putting out the same sort of thing, but at least you will have a chance because people have already become aware of your name as being the first on the market. Thats all I'm trying to say.
Cheers,
Bush Wacker
I'm told the process of the inventor doing his or her own patent is called "pro se" application. Here's the U.S. web site:
http://www.uspto.gov/main/patents.htm
I've seen numerous books on this. They make it sound like a piece of cake. With modern computers, I think everyone could manage to draw and scan their own work. Also, they could use the example of a similar patent as a template. Most patents seem to follow the same type of writing format. That should not take long. Once the patent is submitted, do you know how long it might take to get finalized?
Kysmett,
Amen Brother! Thank you soooooooo much! Whew :-\
PLEASE tell Paul what I mean? I can't seem to say it right I guess, and I have a lot to do. Patents are fine, but small changes are all that are needed for big companies to take over a product, and at least a trademark/brand name, will make your product visible and impress that name upon the public so that they subconsciously associate the name brand/trademark with the product. Paul can wait for years for his patent while some large corporation applies and recieves a trademark and ever so slightly changes Pauls design or whatever, and they look like the inventor of the idea while Paul is never known. Maybe you should be explaining these things Kysmett, I'm sure you know more and might be able to word it better, lol. Thanks again bro.
Bush Wacker ???
note:
big companies are big for one reason, they are great at industerial thieft in a manner that leaves thier hands clean while taking small ideas and making the big million dollar deals.
the min cost to legally and properly file for patent, and do all the legal follow-up through the approval process is app. 3000.00usd. and i for one do not have that kind of cash to throw to the winds so that some big weasel of a corp can steal and re-work my simple idea, then go into production and rape the public.
in my reasearch i found that the only real serious way to protect your arse is to do a "poorman's patent". first think through a very simple description of your good and novel concept. and then do a cleanly written job of covering all bases in plain writting, and then mail it to your self (and others with the statement to those friends? "DO NOT OPEN THIS"). and if there is ever a cause to ever defend your idea as your own, you go to court with your postal date stamped letter. the judge has judicial rights to open the postal sealed and stamped/ with date documents... and read the documentations, enter that information/judgement into the court records....and best of all that same judge has the right and duty to RESEAL that same document with a JUDICIAL COURT SEAL for further "reading and discovery of intent to make or invent a novel idea" from your own writtings.
PRESTO!! you are covered, without the app. 3000.00usd cost... or the threat of death... or the dark industerial concept of thieft by big multinational corps....etc. this is simple and basically fool proof. and it cost the price of simple postage and a phone call to each of your friends to store "that letter" in a very secure place. then when you "go public" let one and all know what you have done.... and why.
with these simple steps you can live longer, and have the rights of your invention, share a needed idea with an impoverished world, and if all goes well with your production scheme.... cash!!
I think even Tesla is revered and loved for his contributions to science and the world based on the technology that made it into other people's hands.
And he is also silently cursed for taking other inventions to his grave. Certainly the mystery drives on his popularity as much as the technology he released.
But it was the release of technology that made the curses and mystery possible.
Soj
Quote from: BushWacker on April 13, 2005, 03:08:06 AM
The time is coming, and which you are already aware and have voiced it yourself, that money will no longer be worth a mound of maggots. How do you want to be remembered my friend?
MOST Sincerely,
J.D.
trademarks and goodwill are "assets", not protection of any business. yes, the word zerex, mobile oil, ibm, etc. are both recognized and respected for thier corp values. (good or bad), but these are not a form of protection for a business venture or an idea.
as good an asset as a proven quality trademark or a trade name or a time derived value of goodwill may be, neither of these will protect a given product or a production scheme. these are buisness asset values built up over time, not to be confused with current production, current profits, or current value. if a old recognized business is suddenly takenover and starts to produce a crap product that trademark,goodwill, and trade name will dive to the value of zero.
as long as profit and greed exist in the human heart there will be some yahoo that will either try to beat the your system or will outright kill and steal to procure your goods. the best way i see to win is to produce a given product and get in into folks hands. and do it cheaper, better, and faster than the guy that sits and says,"i have it and i will wait for a better price." there is an old addage that goes ...snooze and loose. remember, when the first iron stoves were made it was not the best one that made the consumer happy but the one they could both afford and get locally. some inventors had a superior item, but if it was not available the customer went to purchase a need. they bought from an inferior company and they bought an inferior product. in short if they need it they will buy it, whatever quality is available! you may have the best item, but if the customer can not get your product they will get another some where else.
note: as soon as there is just one working unit out there in the public domain, that unit is fair game for backward eng., so then the race is on to get more widgets into production cheaper, quicker, at a better price or better quality.
and while the 'windfall' profit motive is driving the big corps and stockholders, the 'profit' motive it's self ain't all bad (curently misdirected and abused, but not all bad). for this motive will cause each of us to get the construction diagrams and word out to all. everyone can sell plans or parts and construction methods, that is profit. and each of us can make complete items for sale, that is profit. then everyone can do for thier family as best as they can. if that private person in need can not build a unit for themselves, they should have access to buy either the parts or a complete unit at the cheapest price for a given quality. this secondary factor is our chance to be both a humanitarian (here are the plans and digrams for a very low price) and a businessman for profit (since you can not, or will not make it for yourself, i have it for sale).
a free and open marketplace and the customer's driving needs will force the creation and the distribution of the 'finding', the 'getting', and the 'making' of that needed item. to one and all, the needs of today drive all of us to find that new and novel idea.? if you can build my widget for less than i can; i need to review my supply chain, my overhead, and my goals. a sharp businessman is forever asking, " how did he do that, at that price?"
speaking of business is secondary to, and in contrast with, getting a new or novel idea (zpe) into the private hands that most need to have it.?
i see this as a driveing need that should be above all else to save lives and homes and also produce profit for the inventor. we can have our cake and eat it at the same time if we can seriously ascribe to the basic ideal of..." IF A CUSTOMER CAN NOT PERSONALLY BUILD A GIVEN ITEM, and that customer still has a serious need for it, they should be able to find a place and way to purchase/barter/swap/('work for food')/etc to have it for thier family". all prior cultures and countries were origionally founded on these principals. and as long as those given cultures worked from this basis, they grew in prosperity. we seem to have gotten off that track. when a person could not build a quality iron cookstove by themselves, they bought one from the foundry. if they had two houses, they bought two good quality cookstoves. demand drives production.
Hi,
I've read many times that the "poor man's" patent does not hold any weight in the court of law.
Over night you could get a provisional patent application (PPA) for $100. I guess it only lasts one year, right? If you make any money on your invention then you could get a complete patent.
I posted some information on this topic at
http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,106.0.html
Sincerely,
Paul
I'm trying to avoid patenting creativity. Here's the poor mans read only pouch: Buy a binder pouch with a clear vinyl window. Insert 4x6 cocument so the important writing is visible. Zip closed. Apply sealing wax. With good technique, attach address label and postage to document its going through the mail.
The main thing is to run your enterprize with respectable competence.
Aloha, Charlie
Many times I hear people talk of making millions from their great ideas or using their great idea to solve the worlds problems. Then I see them try to weasel out of the time and expenses involved in making their idea grow to maturity. In some respects an idea is like a baby, you can choose to abort or abandon it. But if you're responsible you will feed and nourish it. You'll watch over it and spend money to protect it until it reaches maturity. If you're lucky it will grow into a productive member of society and return back to society many times your costs.
Just like raising a child, bringing your idea to maturity will consume lots of time and money. If you want to successfully raise your child and see the results, then you need to value your idea enough to spend time and money necessary to protect and nourish it.
Just my opinion,
Jim_Mich
Sorry guys for being so slow to respond, had a bit of a vacation there.
First off. The poor man's patent thing. Mostly worthless. Unless you get the court to seal it the first time, it can be argued that the glue of an envelope is subject to tampering(ie. steaming).
Second. Screw this whole patenting fervor. It is a tool now not of the common man but of big business. The corporate machine is now driving the goverment and keeping the masses around an content only because the businesses need a consumer base. Patent it, don't patent it, it really doesn't matter when you are playing with the big boys.
Third. Two words: Forman Grill. This is where TM protection comes into play. Everyone, in the States at least, knows and recognises this product. There are knock offs and immitations, to be sure, but even then the item is refered to by the trade name of Forman Grill. If two identicle items were sitting on the shelf and one said "forman grill" and the other said "fat reducer" the forman grill would outperform in a heartbeat.
If someone wants to make it better and compete with what you have put out... I wish that were the most important concern for those of us on this and similar forums. As it is, we are only praying that ANY product makes it to the market place. If there are more than one manufacturer and there is competition, we have done our jobs. We have brought the technology out of hiding. My best advice in this realm is to not patent, but produce and build an inventory. File a provisional patent, but without waiting for the confirmation (patent protection where proof of first concept is extended to filing date), launch the sales of the product locally and get some testimonials. Infomercial, Infomercial, Talk Show, Talk Show, play the game.
At that point you will have a monopoly on the market for a short while. If you can come up with a catchy name and TM that. If you play the market launch right, you will have more name recognition than any of the big guys right out of the gate, and since you filed for a provisional only days before your launch, the big boys will have very little warning of the market invasion...what in American Football is called a blitz.
Just my thoughts and thanks for listening
Kysmett
Dear Kysmett,
That sounds similar to what other authorities are telling me. I agree that a provisional patent is advisable. I read that the latest provisional patent price is $100 for an individual. Can a person go online and nearly instantly file and pay for this provisional patent? Also, how difficult and time consuming is a TM?
If you, Kysmett, suddenly discovered a legitimate free energy machine, what you do? Could you please write down a step by step list. At present, here is what I would do:
http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,179.0.html
Sincerely,
Paul
what i offered (poorman's pat) was used here in atlanta about 10 years ago and did function as i stated. but either way, there is a great market shock value to the blitz method of introduction and marketing of any given idea.
in classical 'marketing 101' class, there are many things in the mix needed for production and? distribution. but all of these processes and schemes are for "AFTER the fact of discovery".
many new products and fortunes have been both made and lost by inventors starting a business and then not having the heart or will to do the hard business functions. being a great inventor is not the same as a shrewd businessman. babies, wives/mistresses, and businesses all need and demand money and care for upkeep and growth.
now, for those many who need power and can ill afford a whole house of solar, wind, water or cannot maintain that system of switchgear, it is back to the tinker's bench of bits and parts and wires and magnets and freash ideas and scopes and meters.
we have to win, the alternative is....
note: the idea of having a site devoted to a layout of plans of how to 'go to market' and 'distribution' would be great and it would also be a source for reference. a site like this could have both proven classic systems and fast startup processes to insure that all bases are covered.
(if there is no plan, failure becomes the plan.)
Hi Paul,
My reply is in the post you linked to, there is no need for paralell threads.
Thanks
Kysmett