Hi All,
user Tink has brought this up and I thank him very much
for providing the links in the other thread.
Here attached to this message is this recent new
gravity wheel by 3 Idian inventors. It can bee seen running
but unfortunately there is more interviews than showing the running
machine. But in the background you can see some principle diagrams.
It seems to be based on archimedes principle and also using magnetism,
so it is not a pure gravity wheel.
Enjoy!
Please post followups over here in this thread, when you find some news about it on
other sites.
Many thanks.
Here is the video. You must be logged into the forum to be able to download it.
From:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060624/139/65ctd.html
Top Stories
Saturday June 24, 04:26 PM
Meerut youngsters claim to have invented new source of energy
Meerut, June 24 (ANI): Three friends belonging to varying backgrounds in Meerut have claimed to invent a novel source of energy that could provide an alternative to the power generated by high cost intensive big dams or nuclear and thermal power plants in future.he three individuals made it a point to work together for this revolutionary invention. The idea for such a concept was reached following a lot of discussion sessions on telephone and through Internet before deciding on the possible design and its operation.
"I and my two other friends began to think on this project since 2004 despite lack of resources. We were from three different fields as such we didn't have time to work together. We interacted with each other telephonically and over the Internet. And, last May, we got an opportunity to work together and, thus, we started the work on May 16"," said Upendra Chaudry, one of the inventors.
The new concept is based on gravitational force used as a mode of energy and, in their opinion, is very much cost effective.
The concept's working is based on three basic principles of gravitational pull on Earth, the Archimedes principle of floating and the magnetic force that are available at no cost. Financially and ecologically, our system is profitable and safe.
"Out of the different energies, we have chosen gravitational energy as the main source. Our system of harnessing gravitational energy doesn't need water or air. It can be used in any place since gravitational force is present everywhere. Even this can be set up in a room. Based on ourconcept and the designed system, gravitational energy is converted into electrical energy", said Vivek Kumar Bhutani, one of the inventors.
This new system provides promising, excellent and revolutionary solution for an eco-friendly energy generation, at almost no cost. An additional advantage is that the working of the generation system is possible anywhere and at any time.
"You have to invest money only once in coal and diesel and after that there is no need for any investment. It runs automatically. The environment is not affected in anyway by this system. Above all, no large space is needed to assemble this system," said Pradeep Kumar Singh, a student pursuing Masters in Bio Technology from Birla Institute of Technology and Science (BITS), Pilani.
While facing a lot of problems in arranging material and input of their choice, initially, the trio could not produce a complete working unit. But later, they proved their theoretical principle by making suitable changes in the assembly of their pilot project with the available sources. (ANI)
The following is claimed:
* It runs automatically
* possible anywhere and at any time, since gravitational force is present everywhere
* almost no cost
* eco-friendly: the environment is not affected in any way by this system
* No large space is needed to assemble this system
While facing a lot of problems in arranging material and input of their choice, initially, the trio could not produce a complete working unit. But later, they proved their theoretical principle by making suitable changes in the assembly of their pilot project with the available sources.
Inventors
All from Meerut, India
* Pradeep Kumar Singh, a student pursuing Masters in Bio Technology from Birla Institute of Technology and Science (BITS), Pilani.
* Vivek Kumar Bhutani
* Upendra Chaudr
Hmm,
what puzzles me, is that the principle diagram at the wall
does show different things, than the machines seems
to work on...
On the wall there is some water based principle, but the wheel
seems to need no water... Can somebody confirm this ?
Thanks.
It is unfortunate that they don't actually show the device working in a credible way.
Quote from: jake on June 26, 2006, 09:16:18 AM
It is unfortunate that they don't actually show the device working in a credible way.
Even if they did, there is no strength to the device to really have a useful power output. But it is an interesting series of devices.
It would be good,
if someone who speaks Idian language
could give a rough translation of waht the 3 inventors
say at the video interview.
Well, this might be just a typical news video interview
for the not too well schooled public, so they did not
show too much of the machine, but just the inventors with their
opinions...
so maybe we will get soon other video reports and high resolution
pictures from more technical people who have seen the machine...
At least in the video you can see, that there were many people
with digital cameras taking pictures...
I've spent quite a bit of time over the last several months studying everything I can find on mag motors, gravity wheels, all kinds of "free energy" stuff.
I am about to end my research because a distinct pattern is evident.
The best I can tell, nobody has ever created a device that "self runs" and actually demonstrated it in a credible, open way.
There is a pattern of making claims and never substantiating the claims. There is sort of a standard list of what I will call "excuses" for why the devices can't be shown.
There is even a pattern in how the "inventors" communicate. Something I find very strange is the misspelling of words, which appears to be done on purpose, by people who actually know better. It is as though you have to look uneducated to be taken seriously in this arena. There are other communication patterns, but purposely misspelling words is the strangest thing.
There is a pattern of "conspiracy theories", a pattern of hate for "non-believers", and somewhat of a religious atmosphere to the whole field.
There is general dislike for anyone that post things that are based upon traditional "science" - see reactions to "automan" for some examples. Generally anybody that appears to have some formal education is treated as though they are nuts.
This site is not the only site I have frequented, and I pretty much find similar patterns everywhere I look. A lot of big talk, nothing credible to back it up, and crazy conspiracy theories given as the reason why the "inventions" can't be shown.
With all that said, I am probably going to drop off the radar. I have pretty much concluded that there is no device on the horizon that has any credible potential to self run or produce power out of thin air. Peswiki has Perendev listed as the top technology in this field, and I don't believe Perendev will ever demonstrate a working device (especially a 300kw generator). If Perendev is the best potential technology out there, there is really nothing worthwhile on the horizon.
The offers I've made to help people with drawing, machining, testing, etc. are still good. Just message me and I'll respond by e-mail or message.
Jake
Quote from: jake on June 26, 2006, 11:28:42 AM
I've spent quite a bit of time over the last several months studying everything I can find on mag motors, gravity wheels, all kinds of "free energy" stuff.
I am about to end my research because a distinct pattern is evident.
The best I can tell, nobody has ever created a device that "self runs" and actually demonstrated it in a credible, open way.
There is a pattern of making claims and never substantiating the claims. There is sort of a standard list of what I will call "excuses" for why the devices can't be shown.
There is even a pattern in how the "inventors" communicate. Something I find very strange is the misspelling of words, which appears to be done on purpose, by people who actually know better. It is as though you have to look uneducated to be taken seriously in this arena. There are other communication patterns, but purposely misspelling words is the strangest thing.
There is a pattern of "conspiracy theories", a pattern of hate for "non-believers", and somewhat of a religious atmosphere to the whole field.
There is general dislike for anyone that post things that are based upon traditional "science" - see reactions to "automan" for some examples. Generally anybody that appears to have some formal education is treated as though they are nuts.
This site is not the only site I have frequented, and I pretty much find similar patterns everywhere I look. A lot of big talk, nothing credible to back it up, and crazy conspiracy theories given as the reason why the "inventions" can't be shown.
With all that said, I am probably going to drop off the radar. I have pretty much concluded that there is no device on the horizon that has any credible potential to self run or produce power out of thin air. Peswiki has Perendev listed as the top technology in this field, and I don't believe Perendev will ever demonstrate a working device (especially a 300kw generator). If Perendev is the best potential technology out there, there is really nothing worthwhile on the horizon.
The offers I've made to help people with drawing, machining, testing, etc. are still good. Just message me and I'll respond by e-mail or message.
Jake
It is clear that you need a free energy machine to run your radar. ;)
Patience is a virtue. If I were you, I wouldn't give up just yet.
Liberty
I won't give up. I just won't spend as much time working on it.
Since I have some Indians that rent from me, I'll see if they can tell what is being said on the tape. I'm pretty sure that the female voice on the tape is translating what the gentlemen are saying, but I'll have somebody listen to see if they can tell. I think there are over 800 distinct dialects of Indian languages, so I don't know if they will be able to translate it.
(then I'll drop off the radar)
QuoteIt would be good,
if someone who speaks Idian language
could give a rough translation of waht the 3 inventors
say at the video interview.
I had my renter listen to it. He said that they said just about what the female voice on the tape says - They worked over the phones and internet until May, then worked together to make the device that works on gravity and magnetism, etc.
Quote from: jake on June 26, 2006, 12:16:01 PM
QuoteIt would be good,
if someone who speaks Idian language
could give a rough translation of waht the 3 inventors
say at the video interview.
I had my renter listen to it. He said that they said just about what the female voice on the tape says - They worked over the phones and internet until May, then worked together to make the device that works on gravity and magnetism, etc.
To me, I guess what I find interesting is not just something that will self run (but it would be amusing to watch)... I am interested in something, even if it uses a little power, that has enough excess strength or power to do real work, that would have the excess capability to recover the power that it uses and power something else. That type of device would have potential to do more than just run itself, it would actually be a useful device, as opposed to one that we just watch run for fun, while having no practical use.
Can somebody please try to find more infos via Indian forums ?
I don?t have much time currently to scan google or other sources.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Liberty on June 26, 2006, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: jake on June 26, 2006, 12:16:01 PM
QuoteIt would be good,
if someone who speaks Idian language
could give a rough translation of waht the 3 inventors
say at the video interview.
I had my renter listen to it. He said that they said just about what the female voice on the tape says - They worked over the phones and internet until May, then worked together to make the device that works on gravity and magnetism, etc.
To me, I guess what I find interesting is not just something that will self run (but it would be amusing to watch)... I am interested in something, even if it uses a little power, that has enough excess strength or power to do real work, that would have the excess capability to recover the power that it uses and power something else. That type of device would have potential to do more than just run itself, it would actually be a useful device, as opposed to one that we just watch run for fun, while having no practical use.
I find fans that you don't have to plug in to be very practical. I'm going to turn all my free energy devices into fans because I live in a warm climate.
This is exactly what we need right now: working proof of concepts. Torque and power output is not important right now. Maybe the device can be tweaked to provide greater torque later on, or maybe it will be deemed impractical, but we need to show the scientific community and the world that we're not a bunch of loonies.
I wish I could examine the diagrams for this Indian made device. I at least want to know if it works on a theoretical level. The marriage of gravity, magnetism, and buoyancy is very interesting to me.
Hi All,
as I did not find any other news about this invention,
I just tried to extract a few better pics from this video
to see, how this thing works...
From the chart on the wall there it seems,
that it needs indeed water, what did puzzle me,
cause the 2 wheel system in the video did not seem
to use any water at all, at least not in the parts, where the
2 wheel system was shown..
Also at:
http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=13375
it was posted, that it does not need any water...
hmm, now look at these 6 pics I extracted and zoomed and cleared
up.
There it is functioning the following way:
The yellow "bits" seems to be wood blocks or things that can swim
in water at the surface...
So there is a main water tank where these bits are "hammered" at the bottom
via this hydraulic hammer system into the watertank.
Then these yellow bits have buoyancy and rise to the surface of the main
water tank while they propell the main belt system inside the tank
and when they get to the surface, they will fall off to the right side out of the tank and
run down the bit carrier slide runaway, where they fall via gravity into the output wheel
turning it and falling down again onto the hydraulic "hammer" pipe system, where they
hit the other bits already inside the channel to go into
the tank again. Then when the kinetic hit energy has been used, they just slide into the
row to be pushed into the water tank...
Hmm... I wonder if the 2 wheel system in the video is really this principle ?
Where is the magnetic part of it ?
It is also called "Maggravit", so it seems they also use magnets...
but where ?
Maybe the 2 wheel system is already an enhanced version, which
really needs no water ?
Or maybe it is only the output wheel thing, where the main thing,
the water tank is still missing and this 2 wheel system was only shown,
how the output wheel should have worked as a "show" item ?
Anyway, here are the 6 pics.. You must be logged into the forum to see
the pics.
Please post your comments to this function principle...
I guess it will be very hard to push the yellow weights
at the buttom into the water tank, as there is a pretty high
water pressure down there, which wants to push the weights
out off the tank and this pressure has to be overcome
by the hammering of the hydraulic system or any other trick...
Regards, Stefan.
here
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 26, 2006, 08:22:58 AM
From:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060624/139/65ctd.html
...The concept's working is based on three basic principles of gravitational pull on Earth, the Archimedes principle of floating and the magnetic force that are available at no cost. Financially and ecologically, our system is profitable and safe....
See here PLEASE: http://perpetuum.monsite.orange.fr
http://diagtools.free.fr/forum1/viewtopic.php?p=50#50
I got a bit excited when I first heard about this since I have been working on utilizing buoyancy for some time.
I must say these guys are two funny. I see in the video a pair of bicycle wheels being spun by hand for the camera. The diagram has nothing to do with the spinning wheels which appear to have blocks of wax attached via packing tape.
As for the diagram it is a novel concept with many problems. When the block reaches the top of the tank they will want to flip to the left, not to the right and down a chute. When the block lands on the power wheel the diagram shows the wheel spinning clockwise, but then shows that it must spin counter clockwise to detach the "bit" (the yellow floating blocks.
If the "bit" is light enough to float then it will never have enough force to be able to drive a hydraulic hammer. You could drop it from 20,000 ft and still not have enough force to drive the next bit into the water tank.
I must say that the flat piece of metal on the bit did get my attention for a few seconds. If the bit were able to slide along a flat rail then it would be able to shift beyond the center of its mounted position while passing from the 4 o'clock position to the 7 o'clock position. This would create a momentary imbalance when the bits are out of the water.
Oh well. These three guys had some fun and their few minutes of fame. I hope I am wrong about them.
P.S. - I agree, why can't people on any of these sites spell?
And upon further review it appears I am unable to use proper english!
Hmm,
curious is indeed the concept principle on the wall
versus the "working model" and also the news article
says, it does not need any water... Hmm...
maybe they really did show an enhanced prototype
and had only the principle of the old
prototype shown on the wall...??
Pretty unprofessional all this video demonstration,
but maybe it was just a bad cut-job of the people
who edited the video...you never know...
Also too bad, that no more info is yet available on
some Indian web forums ?
If anybody finds something about it, please post here.
Thanks.
usually bad video that dont show all mean the device is not working and its probably a scam, mostly like the perendev one, after more then 5 years i follow this motor and a lot poeples lost money in it, each time you see a video you dont see everything, so you know the motor is running using a device, hidded from the camera. they delayed the presentation again, well they want make money to show a device, but its not the way to go, basicly a big scam like this one.
what we want to see is a good video with a lot of withness using the device working a 100%, not something like this is supposed to work with a presentation, if this is supposed to work why they dont have a working device? this tell you why they dont have one working device because the device is a scam
btw this device have a really bad drawing too, i cannot understand why they show this to the public, its not looking professional at all
Muahahaha funny indeed I have a water trip wheel which will do this and a lot simpler.
Reason I went away from it is that you can not use it every where.
If they used magnets as suggested they will find that it is not that simple so these guys are way off the mark yet.
Just another crazed inventers opinion ;D
Hey Guys,
I have seen most of you asking for translations.I know this language.It's Hindi.The translated message is given below.Only non-english parts are translated here.
Message Begins here :-
The mustache man says "We were thinking about this from 2004.We are from different fields,worked in a limited resource environment.We work from different places since we could not obtain enough time. We met active in MAY.Before that we used Internet and phone to contact and share views.We drew a rough plan in our mind and actively started to build on and from 16th MAY. "
The spectacle kid says " it uses gravitational energy which is present everywhere,the archimedes principle and magnetic energy.The system converts gravitation force to electrical energy using magnets.The system can be used anywhere in the world.It can be placed besides a river or away from river.The system doesn't require anything else except the machine itself.The machine doesn't requires water, air. The machine can even be implemented in a closed room."
That it folks.
However, i would like to quote something here. "The machine at the moment is not self running." It's just a hoax at the moment. I knwo the device very WELL.Please donot ask me how. Refer to my next message for a partial giveaway.
The kids have the alpha version shown.They donot have anything( any more physical devices) more.They have not held anything back.
???
So if I understand you well Rocky, that machine isn't working at all!
It is just some presentation of something that "could" work in the future.
But why do they make it look like that they have it working?
Why this big media thing?
Sorry HartiBerlin, I realy didn't know this.
Hey Tink dont feel bad about revealing another hoax machine it is good that these things are exposed. All I can say to you is keep up the great revealing work. Anyway maybe just maybe one of these will be the real McCoy one day.
hi i m upendra chaudhary i can give all reply what u want to know but as u know this machine is principlly working so let me know what help u can do please ask any question on my rediffmail.com account. that is happyupen2006@rediffmail.com
Welcome Mr.Chaudry to this forum.
Please let us know more about the wheel.
Did you design it and does it still use water ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
this , pradeep kumar singh one of the inventor of this wheel my contact no is 09412209655 and my e-mail is : pksingh1976@yahoo.co.in if any one have any query regarding our invention than plz contact freely according to INDIAN time Zone
Dear Pradeep and Upendra ,
many thanks for getting back to me.
Well, the main problem I see with your machine is,
that the yellow "BIT" you use as the weights,
will be hard to press into the valve at the buttom
of your water container !
As there is much pressure from the water down there
in the water reservoir, it is very hard to push the BIT into there and
don?t have any water coming out at the same time.
Energywise you need probably the same amout of energy,
to overcome the waterpressure to push the BIT into the tank there
as you gain, when you let the BIT fall outside the watertank...
So I think this invention will not work this way as shown on your
wall at your video presentation.
Question: What was the 2 wheel combination you did show
at the video presentation ?
Just a principle to show how the bits could problem a wheel ?
Many thanks.
Best regards, Stefan.
Now I got an answer from Upendra:
hi sir one wheel is power wheel which rotate by the weight(bit) falling from the hight and second one is joint with power wheel with the help of shaft and bearings and a gear system.there are bit receiver on power wheel they receive the bit(falling from the hieght) disbalance of weight will move the power wheel . bit is removed from the power wheel at the bottem so that power wheel will get movementem to complete the full round. by droping the one bit we get 20 rounds(without load) of power wheel.so we get near about 50 rounds of out put wheel .this rotation can be used to rotate the generator.>
>sir i know as per energy bit required same energy to get inside the water tank but we have make such a system that bit moves in side the water tank with minium energy(say 1/10 what we got).and procedure is like that water pressure is not opposing the inward motion of bit.sir i can tell about full system but i have a fear that if i told this think to u then there is nothing to do for me.please guide me thanks.
>
please just upload a video showing every part of its operation.
thanks
That is the whole crux of the equation...getting the block or bit back into the tank to float up. I see problems with seals and energy needed to do the task. if this could be solved as he suggested then they have at least on paper something that could work.
mark
>Hi Upendra,
>many thanks for your answers.
hi sir,the height of the water tank will be as much as u require because what ever height our bit gain that is the input to our system Say the height of water tank is 10meter then energy gain by the bit is1kg.10mtrs.10m/sec.sec=100j. now sir the radius of our power wheel is(say)4mtrs so now we are using the energy of falling bit to rotate the wheel and when bit is at lowest point of wheel then we remove the bit then also we have 2mtrs left for bit to fall that energy (of 2mtrs height) will insert the bit in water tank due to buoncy our bit will get again 10 mtrs height so cycle is completed.
>If you have a special system for bringing the BITs
>into the tank, how much height do you need to push them
>into the water tank ?
>
sir system which insert the bit in water tank is very simple but this thing creates alot of problem to manufacture because till now we dont have any support of workshop etc.but on paper we have proved that this is possible and very simple to understand.
>For instance, if one BIT is 1 KG
>and it falls 1 Meter, is this enough to get it into a 1 or 2 Meter high
>water tank ?
>Did you construct a special valve, that can handle the move-in of the BIT
>into the water ?
yes sir special valve is ready on paper.
>Many thanks.
>Regards, Stefan.
Unti that bit device for inserting it into the tank has been built and tested then this is just theory. Thats a shame. The mechanics of the rest of the device is simple and has a lot of merit but until they can get that bit into the tank to float up then it is not a proven system. The problem of getting the bit into the tank is two fold.
1. The presure it needs to over come
2. Designing seals so it wont leak water.
If they would come forward with this part of the design I would have it built in australia to test that one principle.
mark
Hi Mark, you are totallay right. I posted this earlier in a hurry
and I guess, this is the hardest part of this motor concept, to get the BIT
into the water tank at the bottom side.
If they succeed to get the BIT into the water tank,
it probably will only be possible, while
water is leaking out and after a while all water
will be leaked out of the tank.
Then the question is, how much energy you have gotten out
of the system until this time and if this is more than you have to use
to pump the water up again into the tank.
Probably pretty hard to do...
All these kind of "perpetual motion machines" based on putting floating things
into water containers had these problems and I don?t know somebody who has
yet solved these problems...
Combination of gravity, anti-gravity ( thru magnet ) and Floatation does make sense, I have configured a small design which does have hope after calculating the moments, though slow speed. Centrifugal force being a negative. I will try out a model in free time the concept is simple
Just an idea I'm throwing out. I know my magnets do not float, I've seen magnets on the web that do. I don't have the expertise to create a ball magnet that would float, but if someone here could here is an idea. Picture the device kind of the shape of a bow from a bow and arrow. The "string" part would be a channel for the ball to roll in due to gravity down at just a slight angle to an end where it would drop into a tube, the bow shaped area. A smot ramp would force the ball to beyond the middle of the tube where it would float up and pop up to the string/gravity area to complete the cycle. It may not be possible to balance it. I know no one has posted any repeatable device of a closed smot loop, but perhaps making the magnet slightly buoyant can help tilt the balance enough to get past the sticky point. Of course you would not want it to be extremely buoyant because you could not overcome it with magnetic attraction.. ie.. the smot to force it back down to the point it could float back again.
Keep in mind, most likely my idea is worth what you paid for it. ;D
Daniel
Quote from: jake on June 26, 2006, 11:28:42 AM
I've spent quite a bit of time over the last several months studying everything I can find on mag motors, gravity wheels, all kinds of "free energy" stuff.
I am about to end my research because a distinct pattern is evident.
The best I can tell, nobody has ever created a device that "self runs" and actually demonstrated it in a credible, open way.
There is a pattern of making claims and never substantiating the claims. There is sort of a standard list of what I will call "excuses" for why the devices can't be shown.
There is even a pattern in how the "inventors" communicate. Something I find very strange is the misspelling of words, which appears to be done on purpose, by people who actually know better. It is as though you have to look uneducated to be taken seriously in this arena. There are other communication patterns, but purposely misspelling words is the strangest thing.
There is a pattern of "conspiracy theories", a pattern of hate for "non-believers", and somewhat of a religious atmosphere to the whole field.
There is general dislike for anyone that post things that are based upon traditional "science" - see reactions to "automan" for some examples. Generally anybody that appears to have some formal education is treated as though they are nuts.
This site is not the only site I have frequented, and I pretty much find similar patterns everywhere I look. A lot of big talk, nothing credible to back it up, and crazy conspiracy theories given as the reason why the "inventions" can't be shown.
With all that said, I am probably going to drop off the radar. I have pretty much concluded that there is no device on the horizon that has any credible potential to self run or produce power out of thin air. Peswiki has Perendev listed as the top technology in this field, and I don't believe Perendev will ever demonstrate a working device (especially a 300kw generator). If Perendev is the best potential technology out there, there is really nothing worthwhile on the horizon.
The offers I've made to help people with drawing, machining, testing, etc. are still good. Just message me and I'll respond by e-mail or message.
Jake
I had read once that the Wright brothers took a break from their aerofoil designs in 1900 for the same reason.
Ah sweet irony,
~Dingus Mungus