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Title: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 04:16:12 PM
Hi,
Walter Hofmann told me about a trick  that the TV broadcast show
Mythbusters did show.

Put a few moth balls ( it is probably pure Naphtalen)
into your gas tank and this will make your car go 30 % longer
on a refill ?

Is this true ?
Walter told me, that it seems to work for him andhe currently
testing it with his car...

Has anybody alink to this show, so I can have a look at it ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on July 29, 2006, 05:13:58 PM
http://www.gfcombustion.asso.fr/ecm/2003/211_Lombaert.pdf

ein link aus meiner sammlung zu diesem thema
pese
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 05:23:14 PM
Here is more on Naththalene:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphthalene


I wonder, which is a better additive,

This Naphthalene or Acetone ?
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 05:50:39 PM
Have a look at this page !
Be cautious, there are 2 different mothballs.
Only take those who have Naphthalenein it !

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BioPerformance_and_Naphthalene
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 06:08:16 PM
You might also try this one:

http://www.ethosfr.com/PressRoom/VideoGallery.html
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 06:11:07 PM
I wonder, if the oil industry just shut this down,
because if everybody would be using it and
imagine, everybody would save 35 % gasoline
how much money would the oil industry loose ????

http://www.mybpbiz.com/
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on July 29, 2006, 06:59:46 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 06:11:07 PM
I wonder, if the oil industry just shut this down,
because if everybody would be using it and
imagine, everybody would save 35 % gasoline
how much money would the oil industry loose ????

http://www.mybpbiz.com/
Hey isnt it interesting they are talking from poisioness and healthdanger distroing engine the whole nine yards then I asked my self how they can sell the product 99% or higher pure as mothballs what should be put in attics, closetts , even the soil against rodents and other bugs. I dont know how it works over longtime and if there is a damge at all to the engine, but with a healthy ratio I believe it helps out a lot.
I used 10 of the pills of 24 gallon gasoline and my first experience is that my engine ( 170,000 miles on it) has a higher idle speed, sounds much quieter, and after the first 100 miles the consumed gasoline is only 4 gallon instead usually 6 gallon. It helps!
I will see how it goes and let you know.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 29, 2006, 07:09:01 PM
Great experience Walter !
Yes, I think many of the naysayers are paid by the oil
industry...too sad...
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on July 30, 2006, 03:49:51 PM
I take acetone, because it is to be bought simply. besides innocuously. 
With naphta I do not have experience.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 30, 2006, 04:41:10 PM
Hi Pese,
how much more Kms do you get with how much Acetone ?

How much is the Acetone and where can it be bought cheaply ?
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on July 30, 2006, 07:43:31 PM
Hi
for me aceton is way to expensive 1 quart ( 1liter) cost $ 2.50 and the mouth balls cost 100 of the pills $ 1.00.
I can buy them in the dollar store or big lots usually I use them to hold the snakes away from my house the only what realy works.
I will see next week when I need to refil my tank how it realy workt and saved.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on July 30, 2006, 10:07:26 PM
what is the amount of pill you need to put with x gallons, 5 per 10 gallons is that right?
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on July 31, 2006, 04:30:40 AM
Quote from: TheOne on July 30, 2006, 10:07:26 PM
what is the amount of pill you need to put with x gallons, 5 per 10 gallons is that right?
yes thats why I am using now in the first attemped.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 01, 2006, 02:45:12 PM
I tried acetone last year in a motorcycle and didn't notice any appreciative fuel savings in a careful mileage test I performed. I should've done repeated tests however but I didn't unfortunately. Acetone is expensive too which of course has to be calculated into the cost of any possible gains.
I will like to give the mothballs a try however -why not? and besides the cost is cheap too.

Look forward to hearing of others experiments with it.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 04:23:10 PM
An old  friend , from whom I did not hear for years, called me yeasterday
and he told me, that he is using Acetone already for over a year now and
he is getting about 16.5 % reduction constantly over the whole year.
He is adding 15 milliLiters  of Acetone on each 10 Liters of gasoline,
so if he buys 40 Liter gasoline at the station he adds
60 milliLiters Acetone via a syringe and a small hose from a bottle of Acetone
he carries with him.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 01, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
hi all,
just a little update from my test with the mouth balls, like I sayd I got 10 pills in 20 gallon in the tank in my safari Van, today I reached 115 miles thats half of my usual driving with 20 gallon my tank gauge shows then normaly 1/2 full but now it shows 3/4 full what is amazing. I only drive in the city and it would mean instead of just 12 miles per gallon I would get now 20 miles per gallon this would be more then phantastic. I will see end of the week I should get to the 230 miles and then I will see how many miles I can drive before refill.
Overall it was a verry nice driving experience.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 05:02:31 PM
Hi Walt,
many thanks for this nice report...
Too bad over here in Germany you can not get even in bigger Supermarkets any moth balls anymore !

If somebody knows, where to get them over here in Germany, please post a source !
And pay attention, there are 2 different moth ball made,
take only the ones with the Naphthalene and not the other one with the chemical Paradichlorbenzol which
contains Chlor, which does not work and will ruin your car !
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: rensseak on August 01, 2006, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 05:02:31 PM
Hi Walt,
many thanks for this nice report...
Too bad over here in Germany you can not get even in bigger Supermarkets any moth balls anymore !

If somebody knows, where to get them over here in Germany, please post a source !
And pay attention, there are 2 different moth ball made,
take only the ones with the Naphtalene and not the other one with the chemical Paradichlorbenzol which
contains Chlor, which does not work and will ruin your car !


Hallo Stefan,

ich kenne ein Laden in Berlin der eventuell auch jetzt noch reines Naphtalin verkauft. Fiebig Lehrmittel, Langenscheidtstra? 10, in 10827 Berlin/Sch?neberg. Ist schon eine weile her als ich letztes mal dort welches kaufte (ca. 30 Jahre), aber der Laden existiert noch. Hatte damals Insekten gesammelt und pr?pariert und als Schutz vor Ungezifer kam etws Naphtalin mit in die Schauk?sten.

Gru?
Norbert

Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 08:45:04 PM
Okay, many thanks Norbert, here they have it:

http://www.fiebig-lehrmittel.de/index.php?showcategoryid=25&showartdetail=30

Norbert, wohnst Du da um die Ecke und kannst was besorgen ?
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 09:01:47 PM
Here you can get 1 Kg for around
20 Euros:

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search/ProductDetail/ALDRICH/185604
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: rensseak on August 02, 2006, 02:10:48 AM
Quote from: hartiberlin on August 01, 2006, 08:45:04 PM
Okay, many thanks Norbert, here they have it:

http://www.fiebig-lehrmittel.de/index.php?showcategoryid=25&showartdetail=30

Norbert, wohnst Du da um die Ecke und kannst was besorgen ?


eher wohnst Du da um die Ecke. habe mal l?ngste Zeit in Berlin gewohnt, nun aber nicht mehr, jetzt in Lahr/Schwarzwald. Das der Laden eine Internetseite hat, darauf war ich nicht kommen. 4,40 Euro, ausreichend f?r 50 K?sten (mit einer genauen Mengenangabe haben die es wohl nicht aber ich sch?tze mal max. 200g sind das).

Wieviel kommt in den Tank? Da glaube ich ist Azeton doch g?nstiger!

Sorry it's not in english but it is nothing important for non german.

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on August 02, 2006, 02:49:10 AM
Mottenkugel
krebserregend  nervebsch?digend

google dich mal durch im franz weg mit folgender eingabe:

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=%22boule+de+naphtaline%22+&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=

in deutsch nur:
http://www.best-find.de/naphthalin.htm
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 02, 2006, 04:46:57 AM
Yes,it is pretty toxic, but you don?t need to breath it or touch it with your pure hands...
use gloves !

And when it burns off in your engine it just ripps apart the NOx Nitrogen oxids and
burns down to CO2 and Water !
That is all, so be sure to handleit carefull when filling up the tank with it,
but later this CH combination will just be oxidized to CO2 and water.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 02, 2006, 09:07:37 AM
First Test Run-

I have a real efficient Honda motorcycle with a 100 cc engine. I did previous trial mileage runs(last year and today) with regular gasoline of 91 octane and I get a real nice 67.5 kms/lt Like I said, its a very efficient little bike.
The bike has a 5 lt fuel tank and so I crushed 1 mothball(nephtalene) and dropped that into my tank. I ran the same distance and same speeds on the same stretch of highway as the other tests.
With the mothball in the tank I registered 68.5 kms/lt
No earth shattering difference on my vehicle but maybe for others it will be dfferent for their engines and their fuel types.
Maybe the mothball hadn't disolved and mixed properly yet before I took off on the test run, I'm not sure. Will have to try it all again before making any conclusions but thats my initial results.

Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 02, 2006, 09:58:22 AM
yea i think they most take some time before they do somethng, i bet something like half-day to get better result, if you put it right away and make your test, the test will not be good
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 02, 2006, 02:59:41 PM

Yes, I wouldn't want anyone to put too much weight into my poor results until I tighten up some loose ends in my testing methods. I will look forward to trying more tests later on. It may be a while before I do so probably, so in the meanwhile I will look forward to hearing about the experiments of others.

all the best,
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 02, 2006, 07:47:49 PM
its not a PCV its the CONDENSATOR connected to PCV pipe :)
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 03, 2006, 05:47:58 AM
Quote from: pg46 on August 02, 2006, 09:07:37 AM
First Test Run-

I have a real efficient Honda motorcycle with a 100 cc engine. I did previous trial mileage runs(last year and today) with regular gasoline of 91 octane and I get a real nice 67.5 kms/lt Like I said, its a very efficient little bike.
The bike has a 5 lt fuel tank and so I crushed 1 mothball(nephtalene) and dropped that into my tank. I ran the same distance and same speeds on the same stretch of highway as the other tests.
With the mothball in the tank I registered 68.5 kms/lt
No earth shattering difference on my vehicle but maybe for others it will be dfferent for their engines and their fuel types.
Maybe the mothball hadn't disolved and mixed properly yet before I took off on the test run, I'm not sure. Will have to try it all again before making any conclusions but thats my initial results.

Hi,
I tested how fast the mouthballs pillsvdissolve in gasoline and it took about 3 hr till it was disoolved the samething was if the pills was crashed. I did put the 10 pills in my full tank on the evening let it stay over night and can say that on the next morning the drive to the jobsite was allready exciting but neede to get use to the higher iddle speed of the engine.
But was I also found out is that in the european gasoline there is allready naphthalene used maybe this is the reason if the results in europe differ against the results here in the US.
I am still driving on the tank filling and be on mile 200 where the tank gauge shows still half full. ( normaly at 230 miles the tank is empty) I will find out and poste it how many miles I get out on the end if I fill up again.
greetings
walt


Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 03, 2006, 08:09:34 AM
wow impressive result, i bet i will try it!
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: aarnold on August 03, 2006, 01:25:04 PM
Hi friends,
today I bought some naphtalen. I put gas on my car (renaul megane 99). Bought some gas in a bootle too do dissolve the naphtalen. My car made in this last time 440.8 kilometers with 51,06 liters of gasoline (8,63 km/l). I put 15 mouthballs in 1 liter and I'm waiting to dissolve. I'll make this test and a week by now I'll refuel my car and see the results to post in the forum.
My friend that is a mecanic told me that the naphtalen creates a type of "gel" that can obstructs the injector peak. So I'll try to tell you the results..
thanks
Augusto
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 03, 2006, 03:13:43 PM
Hi-

I ran another careful mileage test today using the motorbike and the mothballs in the fuel. I put the mothballs into the fuel and let it all sit overnight. Same brand of fuel with the same 91 octane driven over the same course.
Once again I unfortunately did not register any gain in fuel mileage over the untreated fuel and in fact I had a bit less fuel economy than yesterday's run.

May give it another test run or two in the future but there was no miraculous gains at least not in my application. I hope it works well for you others as I think its worth a try at least to find out.

Best,
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2006, 08:34:43 PM
@pg46,
maybe youir motor is already thus efficient, that it does not
bring much more efficiency in your  case.
As you get over 65 Kms per Liter this is indeed a great
efficiency.

Maybe you can try with adding 1.5 % Acetone and let us know.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 05, 2006, 12:13:43 PM

Hi hartiberlin-


Yes, my good little Honda motorbike is doing real well already without modifications. Last year I did a couple of runs on acetone but only recorded a tiny gain in the fuel economy which when calculated wasn't worth continuing to purchase the acetone.

Here below is something I want to check into as I know someone who has tried this with some good results. Someday when I am not so lazy I will pull the heads on the Honda engine and give it the same treatment. Have a look -

http://somender-singh.com

Hey, maybe I can try the mothballs and acetone together. What do you think? sounds like a real high octane cocktail doesn't it?

All The Best,


Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on August 05, 2006, 04:30:01 PM
Take not more than 0.5% aceton !

pese
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 11, 2006, 07:42:38 PM
Hi all,
today was the day where I neede to go to the gasstation, I f you remember I used 10 pills of naphthalene mouthballs on 20 gal in my van 6 cyl 4.3l. without the mouthballs I did get 231 meiles on 20 gal. Today I pumped 19.8 gal in and the total milage driven with the filling and the 10 pills of naphthalene mouthballs was 319 miles I did get also 88 miles more out of the tank filling what is about 30 %.
This result is amazing I will only use this combination inthe future. The additional features was higher idlle speed and much quieter run of the engine.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 11, 2006, 08:03:02 PM
I did buy this as mouthballs at ether a dollarstore, walgreens or Big lots. it has no brand name It says on the bag "Naphthalene Mouthballs purity 99% up"and is made in taiwan.
the bag has 180gr. what is about 100 pills and i paid $ 1.00.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 11, 2006, 08:13:43 PM
i found 150g moth ball at dollar store too but when i calculate the amount manually they have like 40 per bag approx. for 150g

maybe they have different balls size ?
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on August 12, 2006, 12:12:42 AM
Hey Walter-

Thats amazing that you got such an increase. I am jealous for sure!
I will try the mothballs again on another vehicle some day since it didn't improve any on my small Honda engine.

Will be interesting to see what others get for results too.

All the Best,
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 12, 2006, 01:56:06 AM
i will need todo more then 30km per week to be able to give an accurate result :)
but when i will go outside, usually its a 700km trip, i will able to see what this moth ball can do!
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 12, 2006, 05:54:04 AM
Quote from: TheOne on August 11, 2006, 08:13:43 PM
i found 150g moth ball at dollar store too but when i calculate the amount manually they have like 40 per bag approx. for 150g

maybe they have different balls size ?
Hi
did you check that this are "naphthalene mouth balls"? because I know that in the other type of mouthballs with declorbenzol there are much less balls because they are bigger and real balls where in the naphthalene the balls more like big pills not quiete round more like pillow. Maybe I am wrong in your case but just make sure it is naphthalene.
greeting
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 12, 2006, 03:56:57 PM
99% naphthalene dont worry :)
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ? Kaltreiniger (German)
Post by: pese on August 12, 2006, 05:15:24 PM
http://www.xmembers.de/home/gravitatio/kaltreiniger.html
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 12, 2006, 05:52:14 PM
yes thats the effect of catch 22. dont tell just use it.
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 12, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: TheOne on August 12, 2006, 03:56:57 PM
99% naphthalene dont worry :)
why worry the european industry use it as a additive too.
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 12, 2006, 05:59:08 PM
Hi
I just was at tru value and they have the naphtalene mothballs called "old fashion moth balls"a pack is 389gr and cost $2.99.
just a tip
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: aarnold on August 15, 2006, 10:11:52 AM
Hi friends,
today I put gas in my car... after testing the 15 mouthballs of Naphtalen nothing changed... maybe the motor is just a little bit quiet, but just this. The performance is the same. I'm going to try more naphtalen ( I put 1 mouthball for each 4 liters), and maybe I'll try another mouthballs, maybe this one that I tried are not olny Naphtalen.
thanks
Augusto

Quote from: aarnold on August 03, 2006, 01:25:04 PM
Hi friends,
today I bought some naphtalen. I put gas on my car (renault megane 99). Bought some gas in a bootle too do dissolve the naphtalen. My car made in this last time 440.8 kilometers with 51,06 liters of gasoline (8,63 km/l). I put 15 mouthballs in 1 liter and I'm waiting to dissolve. I'll make this test and a week by now I'll refuel my car and see the results to post in the forum.
My friend that is a mecanic told me that the naphtalen creates a type of "gel" that can obstructs the injector peak. So I'll try to tell you the results..
thanks
Augusto
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 15, 2006, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: aarnold on August 15, 2006, 10:11:52 AM
Hi friends,
today I put gas in my car... after testing the 15 mouthballs of Naphtalen nothing changed... maybe the motor is just a little bit quiet, but just this. The performance is the same. I'm going to try more naphtalen ( I put 1 mouthball for each 4 liters), and maybe I'll try another mouthballs, maybe this one that I tried are not olny Naphtalen.
thanks
Augusto

Quote from: aarnold on August 03, 2006, 01:25:04 PM
Hi friends,
today I bought some naphtalen. I put gas on my car (renault megane 99). Bought some gas in a bootle too do dissolve the naphtalen. My car made in this last time 440.8 kilometers with 51,06 liters of gasoline (8,63 km/l). I put 15 mouthballs in 1 liter and I'm waiting to dissolve. I'll make this test and a week by now I'll refuel my car and see the results to post in the forum.
My friend that is a mecanic told me that the naphtalen creates a type of "gel" that can obstructs the injector peak. So I'll try to tell you the results..
thanks
Augusto
Hi augusto
I believe you are putting to many of the naphthalene pills in. I used the first time 10 pills of 20 gallon what was about 1 pill for every 8 liter, now I only use 5 pills for 20 gallon and there is nothing different from the engine working, still the same bit higher idelle, and quieter run, after the first 100 miles my tank gauge shows about 2 gallon used plus minus because I dont know how exact this gauge is in such low usage.
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on August 21, 2006, 04:41:42 PM
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 23, 2006, 05:58:15 AM
Hi all,
here are the results from the second run with naphthalene moth balls.
I did the second run with only 5 pills of the naphthalene moth balls for 20 gallon and it did give me 400 miles and this just city traffic this is about 80% more milage against with regular gasoline which did give ma only 230 miles for 20 galon in my 1997 safari van 6 cyl 4.3 liter with 168.000 miles on it allready.
This conclude's my test and I will use only 5pilles on 20 gallone in the future.
It is worth a try!
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: mark australia on August 23, 2006, 07:55:30 AM
Hi Walt
this sure beats paying $1 to $2 per pill for the other fuel savers.
Mark
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 23, 2006, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: mark australia on August 23, 2006, 07:55:30 AM
Hi Walt
this sure beats paying $1 to $2 per pill for the other fuel savers.
Mark
Hi
no question and the results are real real.
The only thing to keep in mind is that the pills need about 3 to 6 hours to disolve. The best is put it in the tank in the evening then the next day the performance starts.
For the people who are interessted the percentage by weight is 0.000145 % naphthalene in gasoline what is less then all the other impurities what is in the gasoline in anyway.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on August 23, 2006, 07:33:24 PM
on my jeep, so far, i did not use it a lot but my idle is usually 600 rpm, now its 700rpm, i think i need to put more pill, well not sure since i dont drive a lot that will take time for me to see the reall difference.

i put 6 pills in 20 gallons so far
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: atlantex on September 02, 2006, 01:32:34 PM
Hi,

my name is daniel, I'm living in berlin/germany, I heard this weekend firstly from the "mothball/actone-thing" :-)

I wrote an email to "Fiebig-Lebensmittel" about their "1274/Naphtalin - Packung f?r ca. 50 K?sten - 4.40 EUR" product, I want to know how many gramms this 50-box-pack is, hope I receive an answer in the early next week, the shop is just round 5 km form my workplace, so it is no problem to get this stuff.
It would be nice when somebody could weigh a peace of such an mothball, because the little shop in berlin sells the naphtalin in a form like salt powder without an info about the weight...

My testcar is a 95'er opel corsa 1.1, this car runs normally >630 km with 43 liter of "super-fuel" (95 octane)

20% more would be fantastic  ;)

btw. 1 liter super-fuel cost 1,31 euro here in germany :-\



so far for the moment


daniel



p.s. sorry for my bad english  ::)
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 02, 2006, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from: atlantex on September 02, 2006, 01:32:34 PM
Hi,

my name is daniel, I'm living in berlin/germany, I heard this weekend firstly from the "mothball/actone-thing" :-)

I wrote an email to "Fiebig-Lebensmittel" about their "1274/Naphtalin - Packung f?r ca. 50 K?sten - 4.40 EUR" product, I want to know how many gramms this 50-box-pack is, hope I receive an answer in the early next week, the shop is just round 5 km form my workplace, so it is no problem to get this stuff.
It would be nice when somebody could weigh a peace of such an mothball, because the little shop in berlin sells the naphtalin in a form like salt powder without an info about the weight...

My testcar is a 95'er opel corsa 1.1, this car runs normally >630 km with 43 liter of "super-fuel" (95 octane)

20% more would be fantastic  ;)

btw. 1 liter super-fuel cost 1,31 euro here in germany :-\



so far for the moment


daniel



p.s. sorry for my bad english  ::)

Hi daniel
I can tell you what 1 of my naphthalene mothballs weight it is 4,7 g, but there are different forms like real balls, pills like a pill and I have seen flat pills like a tablett. I only use the round moth balls 5 for 20 gallon ( 77 liter). I only use 87 octane gasoline thes are the cheapest, 95 is aalready $ 0.10 more per gallon. My engine is a 6 cylinder 4,3 liter and I travel only crowded city. till now I save around 70%.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: atlantex on September 03, 2006, 03:50:40 AM
Hi Walt,

QuoteI only use 87 octane...

well, this may be the point, here in germany, you normally can buy 3 sorts of fuel, 91 octane (normal), 95 octane (super) and 98 octane (super+), the next generation has 100 octane or more and is called v-power by the shell company, many stations sell it already.

When mothballs/naphtalin improves the octane value, then makes this only sens with low octane fuel, so I could try it with normal fuel + naphtalin.

Yesterday, I ordered some peaces of morthballs via ebay  ;)
http://cgi.ebay.de/Mottenkugeln-Original-Omas-Mottenkugeln_W0QQitemZ320021238590QQihZ011QQcategoryZ81231QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hope that's the right material, I think so...  ;D



I will post my results

greez

daniel
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 03, 2006, 04:51:34 AM
sounds like you're saying that higher octane gas will get you better mileage.... which is something everyone knows.  So - buy premium.... or buy regular and add mothballs.   ;)
I don't trust the oil companies any farther than I can throw them.  But I would rather let them add the octane... than put mothballs in my tank.

The Acetone... that is a different story....
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 03, 2006, 05:36:49 AM
hi elvis,
it is straingh that you will put acetone in your gasoline but rather let you charge that the oilcompanys put naphthalene ( mothballs) in the gasoline then to do it your self. I mean if you like paing the higher price for premium no probleme with me just go ahaed.
As for me I stick with my methode 87 gasoline plus mothballs equals 70% more milage.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ? /ACETON
Post by: pese on September 03, 2006, 08:09:19 AM
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 04, 2006, 05:59:04 AM
Hi pese,
I dont know what you wana say the link is nothing new but in my case naphthalene brings me about 70 to 80 % more milaege and thats good enough for me to stick with it.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Liberty on September 04, 2006, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on September 04, 2006, 05:59:04 AM
Hi pese,
I dont know what you wana say the link is nothing new but in my case naphthalene brings me about 70 to 80 % more milaege and thats good enough for me to stick with it.
greetings
walt

Walt,

That is real interesting results.  Have you tried to go back to normal gas after your test using modified fuel, to make sure that it is only the modified fuel that resulted in the savings?  This would rule out a better seal around the rings of the engine (resulting in better economy) from possible moth ball residue in the engine etc...

It would be interesting to prove that the mileage went back to the previous economy level when you returned to regular fuel.
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 04, 2006, 05:20:48 PM
Yes I checked back with regular 87 two Tankfillings and to my surprise it did even give 30 miles less then before the change ( only 203 instaed 230miles). now I got the first tank with naphthalene again 5 balls for 20 gallone and it looks like I get even more mileage out now but the tank is not empty I still have 1/3 in it and have 330 miles till now. this week I should be empty probably wednesday then I can say exactly how many miles I did get from the 20 gallone.
I also just got word from a friend who took a long ride 1,200 lies Interstate with a chevy van 2.0 1992 where he usually get 210 miles from 20 gallone and this time with mothballs he did get400 miles out of it , he is so happy instead of 6 times filling up he only needed 3 times, lets see when he comes back in november how the situation is then.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on September 04, 2006, 05:24:15 PM
Possibly mothballs dont work (or dont better) in this countries , that use naphtale in his gasoline originally as mixure , some people annonce 0 % more milage (km)
pese
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 05, 2006, 05:44:52 AM
Hi pese,
which people you mean have reported 0% more mileage? The one what I have seen was where somebody put the balls in and start driving for a short distance and I am sure the balls wasnt even dissolved. The balls need about 3to6hours to dissolve.
But it is possible that if there are allready naphthalene used in theoriginal gasoline mixture the results are maybe not so high, I dont know. I only can tell my experience with the regular 87 here in the US what I and a few friends of mine have tested .
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pese on September 05, 2006, 06:17:26 AM
that was you  (as attached)

If it work now better (also in germany) congratulation.

i drive with aceton additionally and willtry also add water (again)
lasti have done this (with success 1959!!)
Now i have time again

pese

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copy:

Hi,
I tested how fast the mouthballs pillsvdissolve in gasoline and it took about 3 hr till it was disoolved the samething was if the pills was crashed. I did put the 10 pills in my full tank on the evening let it stay over night and can say that on the next morning the drive to the jobsite was allready exciting but neede to get use to the higher iddle speed of the engine.
But was I also found out is that in the european gasoline there is allready naphthalene used maybe this is the reason if the results in europe differ against the results here in the US.
I am still driving on the tank filling and be on mile 200 where the tank gauge shows still half full. ( normaly at 230 miles the tank is empty) I will find out and poste it how many miles I get out on the end if I fill up again.
greetings
walt

Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: atlantex on September 10, 2006, 04:56:03 AM
Hi,

I tested last week acetone in the tank, 240 ml to 45 l super-fuel, I didn't noticed an improvement of milage or power  :-\

The mothballs from ebay arrived me on thursday, so I can test it this week.




atlantex
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: pg46 on September 10, 2006, 08:19:26 AM
Yeah Hi All-

Last year I ran test with acetone in my 91 octane fuel with a Honda motorcycle. I did not record any real fuel mileage improvement. I did record a 'slight increase' but it didn't warrant the purchase price of the acetone.
Last month I did 3 seperate test with mothballs in the 91 octane fuel on the same motorbike. I measured very carefully the fuel consumption in increments of CCs. I added the mothballs the first time and did the mileage test quickly without actually giving much time for the mothballs to dissolve.The next two tests I allowed many hours for it to disolve and actually recorded a 'reduction' in fuel economy. Yes, my mothballs are really napthalene. I first established my regular fuel economy by testing several times. Then I did 3 seperate runs with the mothballs over the same stretch of road at the same speeds. I drove 70 kms on each test run.

I really wish I did record a fuel economy  improvement but I did not unfortunately. I am in SE Asia and I have no idea what they have in the fuel here. 91 is the lowest octane I can buy.

Best Regards,
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on September 10, 2006, 12:00:53 PM
its hard to guess but my guess with motorcycle they are less fuel compared to car, probbably to many napthalene was there, and you get a decrease, maybe you need to use like 1/4 or moth ball or something like that, i use 10 pill for 20 gallons, i see a little increase but not that much 0.5L/100km

with my jeep v8 4.7L, i can do 465 miles (750 km) on highway with 20 gallons, i dont know if its a lot since i changed to many stuff on my jeep, i did not see what cause the improvment
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: Walter Hofmann on September 10, 2006, 04:19:31 PM
Hi the one,
the jeep run is actually pretty good depending on the year and maintenance but to get 465 miles from 20 gallone what is 23.25 miles /gallone for a 4.7liter V8 is impressive. Did you try a city traffic only test?
The motorbike situation has probably to do with the high rpm of the engine and what kind of gasoline if you start allready with a 91 octane and they have eventually allready naphthalene in it then there whould not be much or nothing on improvement.
In the mean time I got some respond from fiends in germany who tested the naphthalene to and they had some increase not as much as here in the US but at least 30 to 40% with older model cars.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: Naphtalen in your gas tank ? 30 % more mileage ?
Post by: TheOne on September 10, 2006, 05:29:23 PM
in the city i get less, near to 550 km / 350 miles, its hard to tell i do more highway then city, but city is near to this value, in highway i get 9.5/10 L /100km, in the city its more like 13/14L / 100km

i changed a lot of stuff on my jeep, that helped a lot