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How come in short, matter obeys the Gravity?


This is only possible for a simple reason: Matter and Gravity are SIMILAR


That are made of the same essence: the ether

follow some links, the site is in Italian, but you can activate the translator on the right (you can trust, the site and no ads and no spyware traps)


The Master of Matter : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2398 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2398)


The strange case of solar flares and radioactive elements : http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html)


What is the Matter ? : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2078 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2078)


What is the Gravity ? : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2102 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2102)


The Magnetic Glue : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=2460 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=2460)


Magnetic Universe - The Primer Field : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744)





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greetings

Hi derek, thanks for sharing.
Gravity may be in part, due to the voltage field within earth atmosphere (capacitor) in combination with cosmic energies entering atmosphere.
These interact with matter uniformly, as far as known, similar to eddy currents and the resistance to motion it provides, though in the gravity case, it affects the matter at its fundamental level.
peace love light

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on April 08, 2013, 09:54:45 PM
Hi derek, thanks for sharing.
Gravity may be in part, due to the voltage field within earth atmosphere (capacitor) in combination with cosmic energies entering atmosphere.
These interact with matter uniformly, as far as known, similar to eddy currents and the resistance to motion it provides, though in the gravity case, it affects the matter at its fundamental level.
peace love light

Gravity works everywhere, in caves, underwater, in every cm3 of this planet.


cm3 and there is no life on this planet, because there is no energy cm3.


the non-serving energy by electricity, as we know, nature serves instantly produce any type of matter is necessary for the sustenance of life ...
and this he does, all the time, effectively without realizing it!

Quote from: derekwillstar on April 08, 2013, 09:10:46 PM


How come in short, matter obeys the Gravity?


This is only possible for a simple reason: Matter and Gravity are SIMILAR


That are made of the same essence: the ether

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise.  The only thing we can say for sure is mass and gravity are related.  There is no need for an ether to explain this relationship, as it can have other explanations.

Quote from: eatenbyagrue on April 11, 2013, 12:04:31 AM

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise.  The only thing we can say for sure is mass and gravity are related.  There is no need for an ether to explain this relationship, as it can have other explanations.

The key to everything is the attraction.


you can imagine for an instant as would be the planet earth, although its mass, no gravity on it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWuMd6GOfs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWuMd6GOfs)


can you imagine?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9XtK6R1QAk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9XtK6R1QAk)


Life on the planet can not exist without the Gravity ...


we take it for granted, but the Gravity is vital, much more water we drink and the air we breathe!


Matter (mass) does, but it alone can not explain exhaustively what the Gravity and how it works!


There is a force in nature that interacts with matter, in an immediate and even though we are in space, and it is magnetism.
But if we ourselves were the magnets and placed in space (in the absence of gravity) to live on a giant magnetic pole??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHrBhgwq__Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHrBhgwq__Q)


We must therefore imagine unconditional attraction, a kind of "Glue Universal Magnetic".



P.S.
Wrote the poet Dante Alighieri (author of the Divine Comedy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy)
in 1308 :
The love that moves the sun and other stars (Paradise XXXIII, 145)

Quote from: derekwillstar on April 11, 2013, 06:26:13 AM


The key to everything is the attraction.


you can imagine for an instant as would be the planet earth, although its mass, no gravity on it?

Without gravity, there would be no planets and no stars as we know them, as it is gravity that forms them.  Mass and the force of gravity do seem linked - no known way to separate them.  I am not sure what you define as "ether", but from my vague notion of it, it may provide some answers but it is pure conjecture.  Just because you have a possible solution does not mean that it is the right solution.

Quote from: eatenbyagrue on April 11, 2013, 02:16:32 PM

Without gravity, there would be no planets and no stars as we know them, as it is gravity that forms them.  Mass and the force of gravity do seem linked - no known way to separate them.  I am not sure what you define as "ether", but from my vague notion of it, it may provide some answers but it is pure conjecture.  Just because you have a possible solution does not mean that it is the right solution.

What are your "vague notion" on it ?


(I know the law of gravity, which is why I take it for what it is: just a simple observation made ​​350 years ago)

True story.


http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm (http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm)




TS

Quote from: TechStuf on April 12, 2013, 06:29:23 PM


True story.


http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm (http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm)




TS

the experiment of the frog, allows its levitation in when the water (which is part of the frog) is diamagnetic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrDL9ikwrsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrDL9ikwrsk)


this is made possible by a powerful magnet of 10 Tesla


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etVeIdTrtU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etVeIdTrtU)


Edward Leedskalnin (by Coral Castle Homestead , Florida) : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=11 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=11)


in his book "Magnetic Current" (1945) : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=832 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=832)


makes some important revelations such as:


- In a permanent magnet the "true magnet" is not the metal but the particles that make up the magnetic field and that there will slide inside.
- The particles that make up the magnetic field are "small" and penetrate anything, more easily pass through the metal that the air.
- They are constantly moving from one direction against each other and if guided in the right channels, have perpetual motion.
- The North and South as well as individual magnets (monopolies) are cosmic forces , they remain together this earth and everything on it.
- To be of any practical use must be present in large quantities.
- In a permanent magnet at times some particles manage to escape from the magnetic field, but others came up, to take their place (from where????)

to each one of these revelations, it is worthwhile to reflect very deeply!


In addition reveals a peculiar property of the permanent magnets:


http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif (http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif)

"North Pole lifts more than the South Pole"
"South Pole magnet pushes up more than North Pole magnet"


In short: forces acting in the same direction and to add up, forces that act in the same direction but in opposite direction are subtracted!

Here is a classic thought experiment about gravity.

Imagine you could have a tunnel that goes straight down to the center of the Earth.  It's like a giant elevator shaft.  Imagine you could ride in an elevator all the way down to the center of the Earth, which is about 6371 kilometers away from the surface of the Earth.

So the question is, what happens to the gravity as you go down?  What is the gravity at the center of the Earth?

No cheating.

Quote from: MileHigh on April 12, 2013, 09:21:10 PM
Here is a classic thought experiment about gravity.

Imagine you could have a tunnel that goes straight down to the center of the Earth.  It's like a giant elevator shaft.  Imagine you could ride in an elevator all the way down to the center of the Earth, which is about 6371 kilometers away from the surface of the Earth.

So the question is, what happens to the gravity as you go down?  What is the gravity at the center of the Earth?

No cheating.

I am able to cheat as you are, since none of us will ever find in the center of the planet  ;)


we can address the question only in theory, and you ask 2 questions ....


I propose 2 answers:


1) if we consider the old law of gravity,  :P  once the center of the earth, you would be surrounded by the mass of the planet that would attract your mass on all sides, this would mean an absence of gravity (in the precise center of the planet) !


2) if we consider the theory I am presenting (law of rhythm by Pier Luigi Ighina : http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=279 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=279)), and consider the planet hollow on the inside, the monopolies that come from the sun, having gone through the entire planet, will be coming from all sides, colliding in a single precise point, inverting and giving origin to a small sun (aurora) internal to the planet.
Since the flow of gravity close to its origin, the result inverted with respect to the surface of the planet, making the theoretical hollow earth habitable.  :o


What is the gravity at the center of the Earth? ... we should be there to be able to say!  ???

You are correct that there would be no gravity at the center of the Earth.  The formula that most of us must have learned in high school is F = G M1 M2/r^2.   G = 6.67 x 10^-11 (you can look up the units for G)

The Earth is not hollow and this is known for many reasons.  The one that I first think of is the fact that they can do an "ultrasound" on the Earth by tracking earthquake wave reflections from the center of the Earth.  If the Earth was really hollow they would see a different pattern of earthquake wave reflections.

Quote from: MileHigh on April 14, 2013, 03:05:17 AM

The Earth is not hollow ....

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKLL167KOE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKLL167KOE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zKLL167KOE)

?

Thanks -- this vid is also interesting, an alka-seltzer tablet added to a water droplet in microgravity.  Note his comment about larger air bubbles forming at times in the droplet, sometimes at the poles, once evidently in the center.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgC-ocnTTto

I suppose that the earth itself was once molten, a large liquid "droplet" in space, in "microgravity" conditions. 
(This does not PROVE anything regarding the earth, but shows what may be possible in such conditions.)

Quote from: MileHigh on April 14, 2013, 03:05:17 AM
You are correct that there would be no gravity at the center of the Earth.  The formula that most of us must have learned in high school is F = G M1 M2/r^2.   G = 6.67 x 10^-11 (you can look up the units for G)

Without going o.t. (question is: Why Gravity takes effect on Matter?)


I wanted to emphasize is that the gravity, among other things is also very accurate (a grave falls perpendicularly to itself)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Gravity_gravita_grave.gif/120px-Gravity_gravita_grave.gif (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Gravity_gravita_grave.gif/120px-Gravity_gravita_grave.gif)


This is possible because the gravity is "resultant force"!


Between the mono-magnetic streams descending from the sun and ascending from the center of the earth to the sun (becoming once you reach the sun, sunspots)


to help the understanding of how to coexist swirling flows opposite to each other, please consider the following animation of the vortex tube:

http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vtanim2.gif (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vtanim2.gif)


it is only an example of how they can work!


In the case of gravity, the flow (red) from our sun is descending at a speed greater than the ascending (blue) in the sun and from the reflection in the center of the earth.
Gravity is then stabilized and gives Graves (matter that is crossed by them without obstacles) the known acceleration of g, equal to 9.80665 m / s ²

Where is the magician to state the nature of gravity?

@derekwillstar and everybody else mesmerized by the big unknown mysteries still vacant for great discoveries,

When dealing with something yet beyond our understanding we all do the same error, namely incorporating a bunch of preconceptions upon which we base our theories. These preconceptions are falsely regarded as validated facts, like the "fact" that the speed of light is constant, since our experiments performed repeatedly seem to indicate this. Even the "fact" that light is something that moves from A to B is a preconception based merely upon observations and experiments based upon our preconception that if a light produced at one end and detected on another end, it must be traveling.

But light must not neccessarily be something that travels from A to B. Light may just as well be the observed resultant between two field systems,
and the speed of light merely the time differential between the two field systems.

This goes for gravity as well.

Gravity does not neccessarily have to be a force in itself, it may just be matter expressing a field differential within an hitherto unknown field system being the resultant of our planet earth. This field may even be an underlying field responsible for matter itself. Or it may be something completely different, like the resultant of a universal field pressure.


A lot of things indicate we may have got most things wrong, and this shows when science approaches areas that borders the observable macro and micro cosmos, getting the poor physcisist helplessly entangled in the contradictory web of quantum theory or strange faster than speed of light values when calculating expansion speed between big distances in an expanding universe.

I do not mean that the contemporary interpretation of physical reality is not functional knowledge to a certain extent, I mean that it is subjected to so many wrong interpretations that it may be a bad start when trying to deal with gravity, light, magnetism or any of the major so called forces, since mankind still only have guesses when it comes to the major parts of physical source dynamics.


As far as I am concerned, there are three major alternatives explaining the source dynamics of gravity:

1.    Our old paleontological idea that gravity is an attractive force since it hurts when the caveman dropped the stone on his foot.
 
2.    The concept of "primordial cosmological pressure", making gravity a resultant of the expanding universe and acting upon matter as an aether pressure.
       In this scenario matter acts as a shield, making big bodies like planets have a big pressure resultant acting upon matter in its vicinity.
       There is today not one single observation that favors the attraction or the pressure concept, it is just that the attraction concept is our primordial visual 
       interpretation of gravity.

3.   Gravity as not being a force whatsoever, but merely the expressed differential between the field value of the rock dropped by the caveman and the field
      value of the planet as a whole. This third alternative calls for a completely new outlook on physical reality, were everything in universe is relative in its truests
      sense. We are here talking Relativity on full basis, were every single physical particle is unique and tagged with its own specific field value.


What I am trying to say, these discussions about gravity or any other of our still unknown major forces that is surfacing on this forum every once in a while are always getting entangled in our inability to think outside the box, and when I say "outside the box" I mean this concept in its true sense, without any distorting residues of preconceived "facts".

It seems to me that most attempts to approach the mystery of gravity always have been based upon the caveman theory, no matter how complex and delicate the resulting theory.

I like this thread, how about leaving the safe caveman ground and ascend a bit?  The elevation is good for the spirit and give us a nice view.
It is all about these above three alternatives, and of course any other suggestions by you guys that qualifies for a standalone place on the list.

Cheers,

Gwandau

Quote from: Gwandau on April 15, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
@derekwillstar and everybody else mesmerized by the big unknown mysteries still vacant for great discoveries,

When dealing with something yet beyond our understanding we all do the same error, namely incorporating a bunch of preconceptions upon which we base our theories. These preconceptions are falsely regarded as validated facts, like the "fact" that the speed of light is constant, since our experiments performed repeatedly seem to indicate this. Even the "fact" that light is something that moves from A to B is a preconception based merely upon observations and experiments based upon our preconception that if a light produced at one end and detected on another end, it must be traveling.

But light must not neccessarily be something that travels from A to B. Light may just as well be the observed resultant between two field systems,
and the speed of light merely the time differential between the two field systems.

This goes for gravity as well.

Gravity does not neccessarily have to be a force in itself, it may just be matter expressing a field differential within an hitherto unknown field system being the resultant of our planet earth. This field may even be an underlying field responsible for matter itself. Or it may be something completely different, like the resultant of a universal field pressure.


A lot of things indicate we may have got most things wrong, and this shows when science approaches areas that borders the observable macro and micro cosmos, getting the poor physcisist helplessly entangled in the contradictory web of quantum theory or strange faster than speed of light values when calculating expansion speed between big distances in an expanding universe.

I do not mean that the contemporary interpretation of physical reality is not functional knowledge to a certain extent, I mean that it is subjected to so many wrong interpretations that it may be a bad start when trying to deal with gravity, light, magnetism or any of the major so called forces, since mankind still only have guesses when it comes to the major parts of physical source dynamics.


As far as I am concerned, there are three major alternatives explaining the source dynamics of gravity:

1.    Our old paleontological idea that gravity is an attractive force since it hurts when the caveman dropped the stone on his foot.
 
2.    The concept of "primordial cosmological pressure", making gravity a resultant of the expanding universe and acting upon matter as an aether pressure.
       In this scenario matter acts as a shield, making big bodies like planets have a big pressure resultant acting upon matter in its vicinity.
       There is today not one single observation that favors the attraction or the pressure concept, it is just that the attraction concept is our primordial visual 
       interpretation of gravity.

3.   Gravity as not being a force whatsoever, but merely the expressed differential between the field value of the rock dropped by the caveman and the field
      value of the planet as a whole. This third alternative calls for a completely new outlook on physical reality, were everything in universe is relative in its truests
      sense. We are here talking Relativity on full basis, were every single physical particle is unique and tagged with its own specific field value.


What I am trying to say, these discussions about gravity or any other of our still unknown major forces that is surfacing on this forum every once in a while are always getting entangled in our inability to think outside the box, and when I say "outside the box" I mean this concept in its true sense, without any distorting residues of preconceived "facts".

It seems to me that most attempts to approach the mystery of gravity always have been based upon the caveman theory, no matter how complex and delicate the resulting theory.

I like this thread, how about leaving the safe caveman ground and ascend a bit?  The elevation is good for the spirit and give us a nice view.
It is all about these above three alternatives, and of course any other suggestions by you guys that qualifies for a standalone place on the list.

Cheers,

Gwandau

Thank you very much for this reply!  :D


is the response of a person who thinks up their own minds, and I respect your theories!


if the safe caveman comes out of his cave, find a lot of light to be blinded, and turning to the ones brought out say:
Mad! I first saw it very well, now I've blinded! >:(


Forgetting that the source of this light is the sun, the heat source and life, which is always present, and we take it for granted, the same way of gravity!


I am glad that you like the topic, I proposed this question precisely because it is a key question of the occult mechanism of gravity!
it's like I sent a message in a bottle .... hoping someone would find him  :'(


is since 2009 that I became interested in frontier science, I tried first to understand the message of the main characters of frontier science, which W.Riech, Edward Leedskalnin, Vickor Schauberger and Pier Luigi Ighina ... then I crossed their revelations (even if only on a theoretical level) always with a critical mind ...


And it is for this reason that in the case of gravity (the "simple obvious" gravity), we can not only consider the scientific aspect, but we must also consider the creation that is always involved!



only then can we understand something more


by asking the questions:


Why does it work so? ???


and simultaneously:


Why was it so? :o

may not like this approach, and maybe I'm also presenting the wrong way, but it's the only way I know ...  :)


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xym38g_credo-per-comprendere-non-comprendo-per-credere_tech (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xym38g_credo-per-comprendere-non-comprendo-per-credere_tech)



I am Italian and excuse me for my language difficulties (google traslator help me  :-[ )


greetings

derekwillstar,

your open minded response makes me glad, you know, this forum got a lot of talented and experienced guys in the free energy movement but still most of the guys here seems to cling dearly to either one theory or another for whatever reason makes them comfortable.

To be open minded and at the same time critical is one of the greatest mental and spiritual achievements attainable by the human mind, and it does not come for free, since the price often is the death of your own visions in making room for new insights.

I myself have a favourite unorthodox theory of gravity, being the "Unity theory" by David Barclay, but I don't want to spoil the lucidity of being in the midst of the Mystery of Here and Now by investing all my conscious mandate into a mere blueprint of reality that additionally always will be subject to revision.

So I study David Barclays' outlook on reality with an open mind, and since his theory explain some hitherto unsolved paradoxes, I find it quite interesting. As a matter of fact, I produced an attempt to make his theories more easily available through my paper "An unpresedented approach to the physics behind the extraterrestrial drive" where I explain Davids view on gravity through the technique used by our alien visitors, who obviously have mastered the phenomenon of gravity as well as the method of instant propagation in space. So instead of describing the phenomenon of gravity seen through the complex Unity concept in this post, I think it would be far better to introduce you to Unity through my paper posted in the Gravity Control forum.

http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum/index.php?topic=328.0 (http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum/index.php?topic=328.0)

Would be nice to hear your opinion of this theory.

But then again, all theories, no matter how seemingly validated, will always be subject to revision through time, since any system of paradigm depicted is noting but a dead blueprint of something immensely vast, infinitly dynamic and eternally ungraspable.

But it would still be nice to master gravity, wouldn't it?

Regards,

Gwandau

Quote from: Gwandau on April 16, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
snip..
But then again, all theories, no matter how seemingly validated, will always be subject to revision through time, since any system of paradigm depicted is noting but a dead blueprint of something immensely vast, infinitly dynamic and eternally ungraspable.
snip..

Very elegantly said.   KneeDeep!

Yes, it would be nice to master gravity, my arthritis would be more bearable!. In the meantime, time in a pool, is the best thing for this land-lubbering toad.

Cheers

Quote from: hoptoad on April 17, 2013, 04:21:13 AM
Very elegantly said.   KneeDeep!

Yes, it would be nice to master gravity, my arthritis would be more bearable!. In the meantime, time in a pool, is the best thing for this land-lubbering toad.

Cheers

I am sorry for your arthritis! (did you try therapy with an orgone accumulator of W. Reich??)


it is my belief that we are not able to find, because we do not know what to look for ...
(we are attracted to the center of the earth, or we are pushed??  :P  )


conventional science has underestimated the magnetism, it can not be doing something wrong, basically could not do anything else ...
(but science has been enchanted with a theory of gravity than 350 years old and refuses to see anything else!)


The magnetism on earth behaves in the way we know it, just because it is influenced by gravity ...
The permanent magnets exist in a self-sustaining equilibrium just because we live in a reflection of energy.


But at this point it would be able to make a free magnetism to become "mono-magnetism" and unleash an unknown power?


I'm always very cautious when it comes to UFOs and extraterrestrials (I've never seen one but it does not mean they do not exist), but it seems that thousands of years ago, most of us knew someone in the "Matter"


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2398 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2398) (translator on top right)


and consequently also of "Gravity"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDh_QEYoFTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDh_QEYoFTE)


Considered in addition to Edward Leedskalnin (by Coral Castle) officially made ​​the job cuts stones, went to work in the cave at night, and the day the workers were the work already done, the stone blocks cut and moved, at the end they just had to pay.


At the end ... If you know what to look for, then we will also find it!

greetings

Quote from: Gwandau on April 16, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
derekwillstar,

your open minded response makes me glad, you know, this forum got a lot of talented and experienced guys in the free energy movement but still most of the guys here seems to cling dearly to either one theory or another for whatever reason makes them comfortable.

To be open minded and at the same time critical is one of the greatest mental and spiritual achievements attainable by the human mind, and it does not come for free, since the price often is the death of your own visions in making room for new insights.

I myself have a favourite unorthodox theory of gravity, being the "Unity theory" by David Barclay, but I don't want to spoil the lucidity of being in the midst of the Mystery of Here and Now by investing all my conscious mandate into a mere blueprint of reality that additionally always will be subject to revision.

So I study David Barclays' outlook on reality with an open mind, and since his theory explain some hitherto unsolved paradoxes, I find it quite interesting. As a matter of fact, I produced an attempt to make his theories more easily available through my paper "An unpresedented approach to the physics behind the extraterrestrial drive" where I explain Davids view on gravity through the technique used by our alien visitors, who obviously have mastered the phenomenon of gravity as well as the method of instant propagation in space. So instead of describing the phenomenon of gravity seen through the complex Unity concept in this post, I think it would be far better to introduce you to Unity through my paper posted in the Gravity Control forum.

http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum/index.php?topic=328.0 (http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum/index.php?topic=328.0)

Would be nice to hear your opinion of this theory.

But then again, all theories, no matter how seemingly validated, will always be subject to revision through time, since any system of paradigm depicted is noting but a dead blueprint of something immensely vast, infinitly dynamic and eternally ungraspable.

But it would still be nice to master gravity, wouldn't it?

Regards,

Gwandau

Thank you so much ...
I had a look to the theory that you proposed, and it is always the magnetism in the game!


But magnetism is much more than what we know ... (as it is gravity that makes it so, and we ferromagnetic substances, paramagnetic and diamagnetic)


Lately, thanks to the research of David La Point, I theorized that the universe in which we live, it is electric, it holographic, but rather is magnetic.


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744) (Traslation on top right)
Alternate Address : http://fortunadrago.xoom.it/main?p=2744 (http://fortunadrago.xoom.it/main?p=2744) (Traslation on top right)

So we live in a Magnetic Universe!
magnetism is capable of bending the light


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk)


(put the video SETTING on 240p and watch carefully the pole of the magnet. what i see is a flow that looks like heat coming from the pole of the N-52 neo magnet i am holding. what i mean by "heat" is the visible distortion that a heat source would produce. at 1:15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk#))


This is because even the light has a magnetic nature


and in the solar system, we have the biggest magnet that you might have, our sun ...
This may also mean that everything we see is nothing but a giant, wonderful deception


http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf (http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf)


as you can see in this simulation, by selecting the system Tychonian (http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf) we see the view from planet earth, stationary and everything else goes, because as a huge carousel, only energy from the sun is moving and carries with it the light we see...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ZoaxLfH00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ZoaxLfH00)


Just an Illusion...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zECnqYugEyY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zECnqYugEyY)



P.S.
If we are attracted to the center of the earth, or we are pushed, however, we need a foothold.
Where is the point of support of Gravity?

Quote from: derekwillstar on April 18, 2013, 06:01:06 AM
snip...
But magnetism is much more than what we know ... (as it is gravity that makes it so, and we ferromagnetic substances, paramagnetic and diamagnetic)
Lately, thanks to the research of David La Point, I theorized that the universe in which we live, it is electric, it holographic, but rather is magnetic.
snip....

If magnetism and electricity are two sides of the same coin, then gravity is probably the rim of the coin.

This site may interest you.       http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/ (http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/)

Cheers

Quote from: hoptoad on April 19, 2013, 03:35:11 AM
If magnetism and electricity are two sides of the same coin, then gravity is probably the rim of the coin.

This site may interest you.       http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/ (http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/)

Cheers

It is a fact that where there is no electricity and magnetism, and vice versa :


http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ehrenhaft3.jpg (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ehrenhaft3.jpg)


but as I said earlier, we must reflect on what is creating and what is the sustenance of life


(a simple coin is man-made)



To the creation serves light, heat, energy, gravity and the ability to instantly create any type of matter the need ...


everything must be able to verify at great distances, electricity as we know it, does not need the creation!


For example, if we see the plant world, its function is to grow, multiply, changing continuously the dead leaves with the live ones ...


P.S.
Where is the heart of a plant?

Quote from: derekwillstar on April 18, 2013, 06:01:06 AM


Thank you so much ...
I had a look to the theory that you proposed, and it is always the magnetism in the game!


But magnetism is much more than what we know ... (as it is gravity that makes it so, and we ferromagnetic substances, paramagnetic and diamagnetic)


Lately, thanks to the research of David La Point, I theorized that the universe in which we live, it is electric, it holographic, but rather is magnetic.


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?p=2744) (Traslation on top right)
Alternate Address : http://fortunadrago.xoom.it/main?p=2744 (http://fortunadrago.xoom.it/main?p=2744) (Traslation on top right)

So we live in a Magnetic Universe!
magnetism is capable of bending the light


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk)


(put the video SETTING on 240p and watch carefully the pole of the magnet. what i see is a flow that looks like heat coming from the pole of the N-52 neo magnet i am holding. what i mean by "heat" is the visible distortion that a heat source would produce. at 1:15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVxF1jX7zk#))


This is because even the light has a magnetic nature


and in the solar system, we have the biggest magnet that you might have, our sun ...
This may also mean that everything we see is nothing but a giant, wonderful deception


http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf (http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf)


as you can see in this simulation, by selecting the system Tychonian (http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf) we see the view from planet earth, stationary and everything else goes, because as a huge carousel, only energy from the sun is moving and carries with it the light we see...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ZoaxLfH00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ZoaxLfH00)


Just an Illusion...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zECnqYugEyY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zECnqYugEyY)



P.S.
If we are attracted to the center of the earth, or we are pushed, however, we need a foothold.
Where is the point of support of Gravity?

Well magnetism is the result of the electric field. In nature this is how everything works. The origin is the potential values of bodies in space. This is because we live in a huge field called our solar system. Yes the end point is the sun and reflects back all the potential of our solar system.


Gravity on the other hand is a central point to that potential field. In our case the sun at solar system scale but much closer is our planet. Because space is displaced it creates a vacuum of the space medium, this medium likes to stay balanced and uniform but matter displaces this space and a potential is formed inside of that matter. In the true center of matter is the vacuum and not in space. Space is only the field that our matter floats in and displaces. Like our planet all objects displace space and all objects then are effected by each other when brought into near field.
This vacuum creates or makes the space field want to flow towards it and will do so in between matter. What is attracted in that flow is a very even flow of charges that get dragged along with the flow of space towards the center spot.


As for the video I saw nothing out of the ordinary in it. here was just as much pixelation around your skin of your hand as I saw around the contrasting colors you put together. This is due to compression errors in the video processing of YouTube.


It doesn't seem to be anything to note in the video, in my opinion.


so to be clear gravity isn't because of anything but the electric field of our solar system and it's reaction to being displaced by matter.

Quote from: jbignes5 on April 21, 2013, 04:01:16 PM

Well magnetism is the result of the electric field. In nature this is how everything works. The origin is the potential values of bodies in space. This is because we live in a huge field called our solar system. Yes the end point is the sun and reflects back all the potential of our solar system.


Gravity on the other hand is a central point to that potential field. In our case the sun at solar system scale but much closer is our planet. Because space is displaced it creates a vacuum of the space medium, this medium likes to stay balanced and uniform but matter displaces this space and a potential is formed inside of that matter. In the true center of matter is the vacuum and not in space. Space is only the field that our matter floats in and displaces. Like our planet all objects displace space and all objects then are effected by each other when brought into near field.
This vacuum creates or makes the space field want to flow towards it and will do so in between matter. What is attracted in that flow is a very even flow of charges that get dragged along with the flow of space towards the center spot.


As for the video I saw nothing out of the ordinary in it. here was just as much pixelation around your skin of your hand as I saw around the contrasting colors you put together. This is due to compression errors in the video processing of YouTube.


It doesn't seem to be anything to note in the video, in my opinion.


so to be clear gravity isn't because of anything but the electric field of our solar system and it's reaction to being displaced by matter.

The video is not mine, but David Lambright


http://www.youtube.com/user/potatoheadist?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/user/potatoheadist?feature=watch)


worth more later time (240p) the distortion occurs at the end of the magnet, and this is not a youtube effect.
Otherwise you can see this :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgcC_mK97k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgcC_mK97k)


From the description of the video :

Quote
i am using a 1 1/2" aluminum tube filled with iron oxide [charged like a PMH] the rock is sedimentary with lots of shells in it. this video is more like what i see. the distortion of image under the stone i like a liquid. when i move the stone around in the field, i sometimes see eddys [whirlpools]from the corners. this is exciting. this energy is like a mirage. and a mirage is a reflective surface. add a circular eddy and you get a lens. it has been hard enough to get the image of this field, getting images of the eddys i am sure will prove to be difficult, but i will get images of this phenomena. to anyone not familiar with my devices, i made a PMH ,[Leedskalnin], using iron oxide inside the aluminum tube.i energized with a 9.6 volt DC battery six months previous and removed the coil.

is dramatically important to understand that magnetism can distort the light, and what we see!


since spoken of electricity, public writings of Edward Leedskalnin electricity:

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Before my research work I knew nothing about electricity. The only thing I knew was that nobody knows what electricity is. So I thought I am going to find out why they do not know. I thought that if electricity could be made and managed for over a hundred years, then the makers do not know what it is, there is something wrong about it. I found out that the researchers were misled by wrong instruction books, and by one-sided instruments. Voltmeters and ampere meters are one-sided. They only show what is called by instruction books, positive electricity, but never show negative electricity. Now you can see that one-half of the electricity escaped their notice. If the researchers had used the same kind of equipment I use to demonstrate what magnetic current is, they would have found out a long time ago what electricity is. The positive electricity is composed of streams of north pole individual magnets, and negative electricity is composed of streams of south pole individual magnets. They are running one stream of magnets against the other stream in whirling right hand twist, and with high speed.
   

    Protons and electrons—Are you sure they are not the north and south pole individual magnets. If we have anything we have to show that we have it. Show the base where it came from, and show how the thing functions.  We can find concentrated north and south pole individual magnets in the earth, in a metal. With the metal we can demonstrate that the free north and south pole individual magnets are circulating in the earth. In the North Hemisphere the south pole individual magnets are going up, and the north pole individual magnets are coming down. Those free circulating north and south individual magnets are the building material for the magnet metal we find in the earth. This should show that the north and south pole individual magnets are the real atom builders, and not the protons and electrons.(...continue)

to deepen, please refer to the original document :


http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-ADVERTISEMENT.html (http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-ADVERTISEMENT.html)

greetings
I had problems with the site fortunadrago.it, was off from 23/04 to 25/04 but now it seems to work well ...  :o


in summary ...


Edward Leedskalnin makes some observations on electricity, tools (all) measure only the positive direction of electricity, he realizes that "In the North Hemisphere the south pole individual magnets are going up, and the north pole individual magnets are coming down" and he's not discussing the normal earth's magnetic field, but Gravity and (in my opinion) is confirming that that is the Law of Rhythm Pier Luigi Ighina:


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=279 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=279) (translation on top right)


"In the north Hemisfere" place where there is Coral Castle (Homestead - Florida - USA)
"South pole individual magnets are going up," this is the flow of monopolies as "individual magnets" negative, cold, yin, blue, polarity of the south, coming from the center of the earth and the sun ascends. (left handed)


"And the north pole individual magnets are coming down," this is the flow of monopolies positive, warm, yang, yellow, polarity of the north, which comes from the sun, through any kind of matter existing in creation, giving to it (in its fall toward the center of the Earth) the acceleration of gravity. (right handed)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O6V6EiG2F8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O6V6EiG2F8)

This flow reaching the center of the earth on all sides, collide and reversed by changing polarity (north to south), the direction of rotation (from right-handed to left pattern), color (from yellow to blue), from hot to cold and not more downward, but upward to the sun.
the two flows mono-magnetic against whirling  give origin to a powerful balance between them, whose only result is precisely the acceleration of gravity!
A difficult balance to break, it takes a lot of energy to break it, as in the case of the machine of the monopolies :


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=377 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=377) (translation on top right)



This machine whirling through the coils (which could only withstand 12V) but powered by 132V (only from batteries)!
Break the normal balance between the flow of monopolies, capturing them and making them available.
It is a generator whatever, but it is able to unbalance the vital energy of those who are in the immediate vicinity!
(such as skin rashes, stomach cramps, sudden anger)

 [font=]The main question is: Why Gravity takes effect on Matter?[/font] (http://www.overunity.com/13436/the-main-question-is-why-gravity-takes-effect-on-matter/msg358811/#msg358811)
[font=]I guess that the best main question is: How Gravity works?[/font]
Maybe some answers can be found here:
www.quantumgravity.us (http://www.quantumgravity.us/)
This guy is against the physics mainstream!
Publicly, he admitted the existence of possibility to get free energy!

Quote from: Roi on April 29, 2013, 02:53:22 PM
[font=]The main question is: Why Gravity takes effect on Matter?[/font] (http://www.overunity.com/13436/the-main-question-is-why-gravity-takes-effect-on-matter/msg358811/#msg358811)
[font=]I guess that the best main question is: How Gravity works?[/font]
Maybe some answers can be found here:
www.quantumgravity.us (http://www.quantumgravity.us/)
This guy is against the physics mainstream!
Publicly, he admitted the existence of possibility to get free energy!

Gravity is something tangible, existing!
it is linked to the matter and the survival of creation itself.


we can not deal with the problem only from the scientific side, there is need to expand the discourse precisely because the gravity imposes it!

Quote from: derekwillstar on April 22, 2013, 05:00:07 AM


The video is not mine, but David Lambright


http://www.youtube.com/user/potatoheadist?feature=watch (http://www.youtube.com/user/potatoheadist?feature=watch)


worth more later time (240p) the distortion occurs at the end of the magnet, and this is not a youtube effect.
Otherwise you can see this :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgcC_mK97k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgcC_mK97k)


From the description of the video :


is dramatically important to understand that magnetism can distort the light, and what we see!


since spoken of electricity, public writings of Edward Leedskalnin electricity:



to deepen, please refer to the original document :


http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-ADVERTISEMENT.html (http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-ADVERTISEMENT.html)

I in fact know who was the originator of the video. But as you can see from any video with a bright pattern like the yellow mat he used under the device that it causes pixilation errors in the video due to the digital transform process. It is a sort of matrixing even that happen to edges of dark with bright patterned backgrounds. matrixing is a product of those patterns when converting one resolution to the next. In fact most video cards have a driver based algorythem that deals with this problem on a hardware level. Antialiasing is this algorythem.


It is a well know effect and There is a fix for it but only in the video hardware. Since YouTube is come of age it still has not dealt with this issue and most video cameras do not deal with it as well. If this would happen with an analogue video camera I would be inclined to look into it but it doesn't. matrixing is a digital effect and not an analogue one.


As for gravity what does this have to do with it? A magnetic field has nothing to do with gravity. It is the effect of the electric field on space and matter. First you need the potential field and then expose matter to the field and then you get a current, which we call magnetic current. Without the electric field there is no current and hence no magnetic field.


If you want to understand gravity one needs to understand the electric field and how it interacts with matter to create a pull towards the center of the mass. If you look at the periodic table you will see that all matter has a standing potential or commonly called electro negativity. lets look at copper for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper

If we understand that masses the size of our planet actually have a distance associated with it and an additive potential as well. The surface of the planet would have a value associated with it and is concentrated inside of the planet into the core. Since there is heavy iron at the core this electric potential becomes active and changes a portion of the electrical potential of the whole of the planet into a magnetic, heat, and gravity components.

None of this would be possible without the electric field and the potential of the matter in that electric field. Each body in space is additive to the whole scale of the body in space. This is not limited to solid bodies, it also includes the solar system and galaxy as well. This is how gravity works plain and simple.

Biggest proof yet regarding the origin of Gravity (http://www.members.shaw.ca/warmbeach/PENDULUM.htm)!

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 03:36:24 AM
Biggest proof yet regarding the origin of Gravity (http://www.members.shaw.ca/warmbeach/PENDULUM.htm)!

Gravock

Thanks for the link


Perfectly agree that gravity is a push!
but in addition
Gravity is the force resulting from the rapid pushing force (descending from the sun) and the slowest of repulsion (the sun ascending from the center of the earth).


http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vtanim2.gif (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/vtanim2.gif)


the speed difference between the two flows is the gravity (the flow is dominant pushing from the sun, while the one coming from the center of the earth, balance and compensates the gravity).


http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif (http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif)


In the example of the link there is a pendulum, that is correct, as it is correct that the pendulum has a foothold!


So if we are pushed, the fulcrum, is the sun, in the case that we are repelled, the fulcrum is the center of the earth.
This means that the earth is firmly locked between these two forces.
the planet does not move!
that moves is just everything we see, the light carried by the flow of monopolar energy from the sun (spiral vortex)! http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Chamber-Nautilus-cosmos-Eso.jpg (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Chamber-Nautilus-cosmos-Eso.jpg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ-TSGmT5Jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ-TSGmT5Jk)


Ultimately, the nature does not move planetary masses, but only the energy.
So that everything we see (the alternation of day and night) is just a wonderful deception!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saOy8PzSg7M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saOy8PzSg7M)


P.S.
A delicate child (the creation) to sit still would put in a safe place, or on a fast running ferrari without a pilot?

Quote from: jbignes5 on April 30, 2013, 11:01:27 AM

I in fact know who was the originator of the video. But as you can see from any video with a bright pattern like the yellow mat he used under the device that it causes pixilation errors in the video due to the digital transform process. It is a sort of matrixing even that happen to edges of dark with bright patterned backgrounds. matrixing is a product of those patterns when converting one resolution to the next. In fact most video cards have a driver based algorythem that deals with this problem on a hardware level. Antialiasing is this algorythem.


It is a well know effect and There is a fix for it but only in the video hardware. Since YouTube is come of age it still has not dealt with this issue and most video cameras do not deal with it as well. If this would happen with an analogue video camera I would be inclined to look into it but it doesn't. matrixing is a digital effect and not an analogue one.


As for gravity what does this have to do with it? A magnetic field has nothing to do with gravity. It is the effect of the electric field on space and matter. First you need the potential field and then expose matter to the field and then you get a current, which we call magnetic current. Without the electric field there is no current and hence no magnetic field.

http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif (http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif)

Quote
If you want to understand gravity one needs to understand the electric field and how it interacts with matter to create a pull towards the center of the mass. If you look at the periodic table you will see that all matter has a standing potential or commonly called electro negativity. lets look at copper for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper)

all of nature is monopolar magnetic matter (know the magnetic toy "geomag"? behold, the matter is made that way, and accurately...
Edward Leedskalnin indicates an atom of matter as its model of PMH :

Quote

Those free circulating north and south individual magnets are the building material for the magnet metal we find in the earth. This should show that the north and south pole individual magnets are the real atom builders, and not the protons and electrons.  I think the north and south pole individual magnets are running in an orbit around a common core (http://www.leedskalnin.com/LeedskalninsPMH-CommonCoreConcept.html) in an atom the same way as they run in an orbit around a common core in the perpetual motion holder that I made. The only difference is that an atom has a small orbit, but the perpetual motion holder has a big orbit.

   

    I have never seen an atom, but I think the atom drawings are wrong. They should be drawn to fit the earth on account of the fact that the atom is a part of the earth. The earth has two magnet poles. This means that each pole has an equal pull and push to hold the earth together, and so each atom should be built as it could have two poles. In that case both forces that make magnet poles should run around a common core (the core



could be a particle of sunlight)

http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PMH_MVAL_op_488x600.jpg (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PMH_MVAL_op_488x600.jpg)

Quote
If we understand that masses the size of our planet actually have a distance associated with it and an additive potential as well. The surface of the planet would have a value associated with it and is concentrated inside of the planet into the core. Since there is heavy iron at the core this electric potential becomes active and changes a portion of the electrical potential of the whole of the planet into a magnetic, heat, and gravity components.

None of this would be possible without the electric field and the potential of the matter in that electric field. Each body in space is additive to the whole scale of the body in space. This is not limited to solid bodies, it also includes the solar system and galaxy as well. This is how gravity works plain and simple.

electricity is a magnetic current


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SO3dXCsyBC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SO3dXCsyBC4)

 

Quote from: JouleSeeker on April 15, 2013, 01:21:47 AM
Thanks -- this vid is also interesting, an alka-seltzer tablet added to a water droplet in microgravity.  Note his comment about larger air bubbles forming at times in the droplet, sometimes at the poles, once evidently in the center.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgC-ocnTTto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgC-ocnTTto)

I suppose that the earth itself was once molten, a large liquid "droplet" in space, in "microgravity" conditions.

(This does not PROVE anything regarding the earth, but shows what may be possible in such conditions.)

Yes, the earth itself was once molten, but what was it before it was a large liquid "droplet" in space?  It was a sun of course (glowing ball of magnetism with no crust).  In other words, the earth is a dying sun.  A sun, under the right conditions will start to form a crust. A sun, on becoming an earth, will form a point of inequality in space at a distance equal to the square of it's diameter.  At this point of inequality in space, a new sun of greater or lesser magnitude may be formed.  This would depend on the curvature form of the sun's field at the time it was forming a crust.  The particular form of magnetic concentration at the time when the sun is forming a crust may form a new sun or other variant forms as classified by astronomers.

Gravock

"Helical Helix: Solar System a Dynamic Process (http://www.feandft.com/Helical%20Helix%20PDF%20format..pdf)", by Dr. Pallathadka Keshava Bhat, is a proposed model for the solar system with hard scientific evidence and data to support it.

Gravock

Also, earth does have a hollow center, where there is a glowing ball of magnetism (remnants of it's former self of being a sun).  On the other-hand, the moon is mostly solid, with a very small hollow center of glowing magnetism.  The argument made by milehigh against a hollow earth isn't valid because a glowing ball of magnestim at the hollow center of the earth has been overlooked by him and by his teachers.

Gravock

Quote from: derekwillstar on May 02, 2013, 05:34:28 AM

http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif (http://peswiki.com/images/c/ce/Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif)



all of nature is monopolar magnetic matter (know the magnetic toy "geomag"? behold, the matter is made that way, and accurately...
Edward Leedskalnin indicates an atom of matter as its model of PMH :



http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PMH_MVAL_op_488x600.jpg (http://www.fortunadrago.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PMH_MVAL_op_488x600.jpg)



electricity is a magnetic current


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SO3dXCsyBC4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SO3dXCsyBC4)

Electricity is not a magnetic current. You can not have a magnetic current without the electric field setup by the potential of the bodies in space. If there were a way to get magnetism without using the electric field we would have Overunity in leaps and bounds.


Each body in space weather it be a planet or much smaller scaled atom has a potential associated with it. This potential field sets up the electric field and a magnetic force is then able to span the electric field. Without the potential of individual atoms in space there is zero chance of the electric field forming in between those potential and zero chance that the magnetic field can form.


This is where the backwards thinking of our predecessors got us in trouble.


Case in point: When we try to create a magnetic field it is impossible to do this without either matter aligned by the electric field or more directly the electric field itself via potential differences in matter like a battery.


But we can create a difference in potential by using matter itself. The crystal battery is a very good example of this. There are plenty of examples of the crystal battery on this forum and through these experiments and examples we can generate light from the potential difference of two different materials with a crystalline barrier in between. This is due to the standing potential of each plate and connected via the crystalline material and a current flows between the two plates when a load is placed in between the two materials. This power will last forever as long as you do not deplete the standing potentials of the materials and this is evident by all of the examples of crystalline batteries on this and many other forums.


You are simply wrong in your assumption that the magnetic precedes the electric. This is our error in science and your beliefs. You have been misled by the academics because they will never admit they are wrong.


If you want to learn the truth then I would highly recommend "The Electric Universe" as a starting point. Gravity is merely a gentile flow of charges that are attracted to a central point of a body in space. The interactions that arise among the bodies of space and the subsequent magnetic flows are results of the potential differences of the individual bodies, weather they are planet sized or atom sized.


We must start understanding these processes and the first step in this is to observe the processes. This is what the electric universe project is doing and they are now in the position to rewrite our wrong theories and naive assessments of our past.


With only using the standing potential of 2 bodies separated by a one way material we have and will always be able to draw unlimited amounts of energy from the whole electric field of the immediate larger body in space. This has been proven through experimental observation. lasersaber has a crystal battery that has been running for over a year now powering both a motor and an led and viewable online via a webcam.  Many many others have had this experience, including me. It is irrefutable.

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 02, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

Electricity is not a magnetic current. You can not have a magnetic current without the electric field setup by the potential of the bodies in space. If there were a way to get magnetism without using the electric field we would have Overunity in leaps and bounds.


Each body in space weather it be a planet or much smaller scaled atom has a potential associated with it. This potential field sets up the electric field and a magnetic force is then able to span the electric field. Without the potential of individual atoms in space there is zero chance of the electric field forming in between those potential and zero chance that the magnetic field can form.


This is where the backwards thinking of our predecessors got us in trouble.


Case in point: When we try to create a magnetic field it is impossible to do this without either matter aligned by the electric field or more directly the electric field itself via potential differences in matter like a battery.


But we can create a difference in potential by using matter itself. The crystal battery is a very good example of this. There are plenty of examples of the crystal battery on this forum and through these experiments and examples we can generate light from the potential difference of two different materials with a crystalline barrier in between. This is due to the standing potential of each plate and connected via the crystalline material and a current flows between the two plates when a load is placed in between the two materials. This power will last forever as long as you do not deplete the standing potentials of the materials and this is evident by all of the examples of crystalline batteries on this and many other forums.


You are simply wrong in your assumption that the magnetic precedes the electric. This is our error in science and your beliefs. You have been misled by the academics because they will never admit they are wrong.


If you want to learn the truth then I would highly recommend "The Electric Universe" as a starting point. Gravity is merely a gentile flow of charges that are attracted to a central point of a body in space. The interactions that arise among the bodies of space and the subsequent magnetic flows are results of the potential differences of the individual bodies, weather they are planet sized or atom sized.


We must start understanding these processes and the first step in this is to observe the processes. This is what the electric universe project is doing and they are now in the position to rewrite our wrong theories and naive assessments of our past.


With only using the standing potential of 2 bodies separated by a one way material we have and will always be able to draw unlimited amounts of energy from the whole electric field of the immediate larger body in space. This has been proven through experimental observation. lasersaber has a crystal battery that has been running for over a year now powering both a motor and an led and viewable online via a webcam.  Many many others have had this experience, including me. It is irrefutable.

Jbignes,

Magnetism is nothing more than a space devoid of all matter.  In the vacuum of space, a moving electric field isn't necessary in order to induce a magnetic field.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Also, earth does have a hollow center, where there is a glowing ball of magnetism (remnants of it's former self of being a sun).  On the other-hand, the moon is mostly solid, with a very small hollow center of glowing magnetism.

Gravock

Until you can show this premise then it will never float. The moon is very hollow and it has been proven by objects hitting the moon then the moon rings for hours afterwards. I will agree with that.


The earth is not hollow and neither is our sun. They are very  liquid in the center and in the very center have a crystal that are made because of the very high temperatures and extreme pressure. In both cases of our planet and sun these crystals are made out of iron. This does two things. 1 it is an interface of the potential and the real charges being sucked into our cores then 2 creates a magnetic field via the iron crystal in that core. Both the sun and earth have these features and is based wholly out of the total potential of our solar system. The sun is actually an anode of the galactic potential and this is what sets up the electric field of our solar system. The planets are actually sinks of the potential field and create heat and magnetism out of this potential field along with potential field of each body in that solar field. It is after all a fractal repeating from the universe all the way down to the individual atoms. Each part of the fractal will show the whole fractal no matter where you are in that fractal almost like in a hologram.

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
Jbignes,

Magnetism is nothing more than space devoid of all matter.

Gravock

until you can provide proof of this statement it is only a theory.


The electric universe shows proof and until you negate that proof then the Axiom of theories can not disprove facts is where I'll stay.

Jbignes,

It is what it is, so don't get your panties all in a knot, lol.  What your saying hasn't been proven anymore than what I'm saying. 

Gravock

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 02, 2013, 02:57:15 PM

Until you can show this premise then it will never float. The moon is very hollow and it has been proven by objects hitting the moon then the moon rings for hours afterwards. I will agree with that.

The singing sand dunes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbypyJjqhk) on earth also ring for hours on end, and they are not hollow.  You're argument that the moon is very hollow because it rings for hours when being hit by objects doesn't hold until all other possibilities have been ruled out.  According to your line of thinking, the singing sand dunes is proof for a hollow earth, which you don't accept

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
Jbignes,

It is what it is, so don't get your panties all in a knot, lol.  What your saying hasn't been proven anymore than what I'm saying. 

Gravock

It is being reproduces every day through experiments and observations of our galaxy. This has been proven for a very long time by experimentation.mValid experimentation. Just look up the thunderbolts project.

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 03:31:00 PM
The singing sand dunes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbypyJjqhk) on earth also ring for hours on end, and they are not hollow.  You're argument that the moon is very hollow because it rings for hours when being hit by objects doesn't hold until all other possibilities have been ruled out.  According to your line of thinking, the singing sand dunes is proof for a hollow earth.

Gravock

As said before I back my examples up with actual evidence. NASA has reported the ringing incident many times by observation.


The singing sand dunes is because of our atmosphere and the composition of the sand in question, it has little to do with objects that hit the dune. Where is the proof you might offer about the singing sand dunes and the exact way that each the sand dune and moon act respectively?

Is this your example that you are referring to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singing_sand

lets do some reading and see that it does not last hours.

"Singing sand dunes, an example of the phenomenon of singing sand, produce a sound described as roaring, booming, squeaking, or the "Song of Dunes". This is a natural sound phenomenon of up to 105 decibels, lasting as long as several minutes, that occurs in about 35 desert locations around the world. The sound is similar to a loud, low-pitch, rumble, and it emanates from the crescent-shaped dunes, or barchans. The sound emission accompanies a slumping or avalanching movement of the sand, usually triggered by wind passing over the dune or by someone walking near the crest"

So lasting as long as several minutes to you means several hours?

There is a certain proceedure that needs to be done to get the results you are talking about. None of which meet the example of the whole moon ringing, not singing or barking.

Here is a report for you from NASA on the ringing and not singing...

http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/The-Apollo-12-Mission-Crashed-A-2-5-Ton/55549

And this report from the men who were there:

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/15mar_moonquakes_prt.htm

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 02, 2013, 03:36:03 PM

It is being reproduces every day through experiments and observations of our galaxy. This has been proven for a very long time by experimentation.mValid experimentation. Just look up the thunderbolts project.

Maybe you should look up Primer Fields and the Physics of the Primary State of Matter.  Also, why is there no measured electric field in a PM?  According to you, there can be no magnetic field without a moving electric field.  This isn't the case for a PM.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Maybe you should look up Primer Fields and the Physics of the Primary State of Matter.  Also, why is there no measured electric field in a PM?  According to you, there can be no magnetic field without a moving electric field.  This isn't the case for a PM.

Gravock

because the electric field is inside of the magnet. At the point of origin between the atoms of the magnet. There is an electric component outside of the magnet but it is hard to distinguish between the magnetic field because they are bound at 90 degrees.


lets see it like this: a magnet doesn't change it's whole value. It is imbalanced inside of the magnet and outside you will never measure a difference on the scale of the whole because the whole is neutral in a sense or balanced.

The primer fields is nothing but a misunderstanding of the whole. It focuses on the magnetic and disregards what originates the magnetic field, Just like most academics do.

The simple fact of the matter is that the magnetic is not the origin. This is because it takes energy to form the magnetic field. But on the other hand it doesn't take anything to establish an electric field. Simply providing matter does this. Since the potential field has little to loose in energy it can go further then the magnetic field and act over light years without loosing any strength or influence. On the other hand the magnetic field must be provided with current to initiate and stay active. This is why we can draw infinite amount of energy when we work with the crystal battery albeit small amounts for now it is still a vast amount of energy.

The only thing we need to figure out is how to stop galvanic responses to the provided matter used on both electrodes. We have been making strides on this though and most application only need a drop or two of water to reach what evaporates from the crystal layer. It's not perfected yet but it is an example of the process of drawing current from just the standing potentials of two electrodes.

This is a famous experiment showing the magnet in a plasma and how each end spins a different direction without moving the magnet at all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPU9cEK5YsM

Jbignes,

I'm going to make this simple for you.  Sound as seismic waves does travel through the rocks of the moon, but there is no atmosphere to transmit the sound.  So, here's my question to you.  How does the moon "ring" when it's hit by an object when it can't be heard?  In addition to this, the surface of the moon is mostly dust and a clay or playdoo like substance.  Wouldn't this clay substance quickly dampen any vibrations which could produce a ringing sound which last for hours?  Let's assume for a second the clay substance has little to no dampening effect on the seismic waves.  What happens when the seismic waves reach the surface of the moon?  The seismic waves will once again be reflected and re-absorbed back into the moon perpetuating it's vibrations for hours.  Like I said, the ringing isn't proof of a very hollow moon until all other possibilities have been ruled out.

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 02, 2013, 05:08:04 PM
Jbignes,

I'm going to make this simple for you.  Sound as seismic waves does travel through the rocks of the moon, but there is no atmosphere to transmit the sound.  So, here's my question to you.  How does the moon ring when it's hit by an object when it can't be heard?  In addition to this, the surface of the moon is mostly dust and a clay or playdoo like substance.  Wouldn't this clay substance quickly dampen any vibrations which could produce a ringing sound which last for hours?  Let's assume for a second the clay substance has little to no dampening effect on the seismic waves.  What happens when the seismic waves reach the surface of the moon?  The seismic waves will once again be reflected and re-absorbed back into the moon perpetuating it's vibrations for hours.  Like I said, the ringing isn't proof of a very hollow moon until all other possibilities have been ruled out.

Gravock

Again you know little about the moon... The moons surface crust which is about 65 feet thick is very soft and fluffy. Below that the surface is very very hard with a composition of Titanium. Yes I said titanium. Huge amounts of the rocks taken from the moon baffled the scientists that looked at it. Not only were there solidified metal shell there were products that could have never been made naturally. Most of these products were the results of a nuclear reactor. How in the f did that get there??? Not one example is there of any results of a nuclear reactor ever been found in nature. But at lass it is reported to be found on the moon.


If one looks at the surface of the moon at close range one sees flat bottomed craters. How is this possible?


Well having an inner shell of titanium this would be very possible. All of the dust we see on the moon came from space and settled on the surface. This is where the soft layer came from. Almost all the craters are very flat bottomed this is where most of the people who see the moon believe that the moon has a very very hard undersurface. I'm not talking about the little craters but the very big ones where the meteor  that made it would have been very very big and hence would have made huge craters like the ones on earth yet none of the craters have the usual cratering we see on earth like round bottom versions on earth. They are very flat and give the impression that they have a very hard surface under the soft layer. This is why it rings. Do you remember the controversy about the South Pole of the moon having an entrance and why NASA chose to blow it up?


As for the moon not having an atmosphere well it does. In fact that is the very reason that the flag that they left on the surface had to have a bar on top because the flag kept waving in the small wind.


I would suggest you start really learning and researching about the moon. I mean really just from looking at the pictures of the moon you can tell it has a very hard surface under that soft mantle. The rest of the information you need to take with a grain of salt but I tend to think this is a better explanation of what the moon is. Most informed people now think the moon is artificial at best. There are a great many old reports that the moon is a satellite that was brought here and is not natural at all. Think of the possibility of that one.....


Some interesting facts:


http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

There have been a great many books written about these unexplainable facts about the moon.

So why is it that we have not gone back to the moon ourselves?

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 02, 2013, 04:01:07 PM

because the electric field is inside of the magnet. At the point of origin between the atoms of the magnet. There is an electric component outside of the magnet but it is hard to distinguish between the magnetic field because they are bound at 90 degrees.


lets see it like this: a magnet doesn't change it's whole value. It is imbalanced inside of the magnet and outside you will never measure a difference on the scale of the whole because the whole is neutral in a sense or balanced.

The primer fields is nothing but a misunderstanding of the whole. It focuses on the magnetic and disregards what originates the magnetic field, Just like most academics do.

The simple fact of the matter is that the magnetic is not the origin. This is because it takes energy to form the magnetic field. But on the other hand it doesn't take anything to establish an electric field. Simply providing matter does this. Since the potential field has little to loose in energy it can go further then the magnetic field and act over light years without loosing any strength or influence. On the other hand the magnetic field must be provided with current to initiate and stay active. This is why we can draw infinite amount of energy when we work with the crystal battery albeit small amounts for now it is still a vast amount of energy.

The only thing we need to figure out is how to stop galvanic responses to the provided matter used on both electrodes. We have been making strides on this though and most application only need a drop or two of water to reach what evaporates from the crystal layer. It's not perfected yet but it is an example of the process of drawing current from just the standing potentials of two electrodes.

This is a famous experiment showing the magnet in a plasma and how each end spins a different direction without moving the magnet at all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPU9cEK5YsM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPU9cEK5YsM)

Please consider this:


PMH magnetic currents flow in a "monopolar" (in a coil of the "N" and the other of the "S")
the intensity increases gradually, the PMH becomes more and more powerful!


this is because the PMH intercepts the gravitational magnetic currents monopolar ...


This principle is also the generator of Lester J. Hendershot, who uses a magnet as a "kick start"


http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=2592 (http://www.fortunadrago.it/?page_id=2592) (Translation on top right)


greetings

Quote from: jbignes5 on May 02, 2013, 05:50:57 PM

Again you know little about the moon... The moons surface crust which is about 65 feet thick is very soft and fluffy. Below that the surface is very very hard with a composition of Titanium. Yes I said titanium. Huge amounts of the rocks taken from the moon baffled the scientists that looked at it. Not only were there solidified metal shell there were products that could have never been made naturally. Most of these products were the results of a nuclear reactor. How in the f did that get there??? Not one example is there of any results of a nuclear reactor ever been found in nature. But at lass it is reported to be found on the moon.


If one looks at the surface of the moon at close range one sees flat bottomed craters. How is this possible?


Well having an inner shell of titanium this would be very possible. All of the dust we see on the moon came from space and settled on the surface. This is where the soft layer came from. Almost all the craters are very flat bottomed this is where most of the people who see the moon believe that the moon has a very very hard undersurface. I'm not talking about the little craters but the very big ones where the meteor  that made it would have been very very big and hence would have made huge craters like the ones on earth yet none of the craters have the usual cratering we see on earth like round bottom versions on earth. They are very flat and give the impression that they have a very hard surface under the soft layer. This is why it rings. Do you remember the controversy about the South Pole of the moon having an entrance and why NASA chose to blow it up?


As for the moon not having an atmosphere well it does. In fact that is the very reason that the flag that they left on the surface had to have a bar on top because the flag kept waving in the small wind.


I would suggest you start really learning and researching about the moon. I mean really just from looking at the pictures of the moon you can tell it has a very hard surface under that soft mantle. The rest of the information you need to take with a grain of salt but I tend to think this is a better explanation of what the moon is. Most informed people now think the moon is artificial at best. There are a great many old reports that the moon is a satellite that was brought here and is not natural at all. Think of the possibility of that one.....


Some interesting facts:


http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm)

There have been a great many books written about these uanexplainable facts about the moon.

So why is it that we have not gone back to the moon ourselves?

Lol.  Didn't a university find petrified wood in the rocks they brought back from the moon?  And the small wind blowing the flag around, lol.  What is this small wind made of?  Any ideas? Did NASA release any information about a wind blowing on the moon?  Also, how did NASA know ahead of time the flag would need a bar on top of the flag to keep it from waving in  the wind?  The bar is pushed into the top of the flag like a curtain rod is pushed into a curtain.  The flag had to have been sewn at the top before the launch in order to accommodate the rod.  Also, what was wrong with letting the flag waive in a small wind?  Nothing at all, unless you were trying to fake a moon landing.

If the moon is an artificial satellite of the earth, then it is possible the moon has a very hollow core (I will give you this much).  However, if it is a natural satellite of the earth, then it has a very small hollow center of glowing magnetism.  Here's the thing, there is so much contradictory information, such as signs of recent volcanic activities on the moon, which would suggest the moon is a natural satellite instead of an artificial satellite.  Sinkholes can form large flat bottoms.  There appears to be a pattern of "false flag" operations by TPTB that still continues to this day.

Gravock

Yep the Moon is an artificial satellite.   I haven't dug into this lately but I was told over 10 years ago about it and even why it was brought here.   
jbigness5,  can you give me some sources for your info on the moon.   What you are saying about the hard surface below the 'moon dust' makes sense that it would be titanium or similar if the info I got is correct. 
Why was the Moon brought here?   Well this one will be a stretch for some and for any women reading they won't be happy.   You know that thing that happens once a month to women - crabby PMS stuff?   Well before the Moon was brought here that only happened once a year.  The Moon was brought here to increase the fertility of women from once a year to once every 28 days for the purpose of increasing the human population here much more quickly.   IIRC at that time humans were essentially being used as slaves to the race that brought the Moon here.   Apparently that race that brought the Moon is the Annunaki.   So every month when your wife/girlfriend starts raging at you well now you know who to blame.   ;)

Quote from: e2matrix on May 03, 2013, 02:48:01 PM
The Moon was brought here to increase the fertility of women from once a year to once every 28 days for the purpose of increasing the human population here much more quickly.   IIRC at that time humans were essentially being used as slaves to the race that brought the Moon here.   Apparently that race that brought the Moon is the Annunaki.   So every month when your wife/girlfriend starts raging at you well now you know who to blame  LOL.

As measured on women undergoing in vitro fertilization, a longer menstrual cycle length is associated with higher pregnancy (fertility) and delivery rates, even after age adjustment.  A longer menstrual cycle length is also significantly associated with better ovarian response to gonadotropin stimulation and embryo quality¹.  This suggests a shorter menstrual cycle of 28 days from once a year would decrease the human population instead of increasing the human population as you stated.  Do you have any references of a womans menstrual cycle being once a year, long ago in the past?

On another note, if the Annunaki is so advanced in technology and in genetics as reported, they could have easily increased the fertility rate of women through genetics, etc.  Now, if the moon is hollow, this doesn't necessarily mean it's an artificial satellite.  The moon could have been a natural satellite which was dugged out or mined.

1.)  Here's an interesting thought.  If the embryo quality is better in women with a longer menstrual cycle, then maybe the full potential of mankind would be much higher if women were on a yearly menstrual cycle.  More intelligent, healthier, stronger, longer life-span, less susceptible to diseases, etc.  Just a thought!

Gravock

The moon (as planets) is only a reflection of the sun (a satellite that could be formed and magnified by the impact with another celestial body)


http://www.swri.org/9what/releases/2012/earth-moon-impact.htm (http://www.swri.org/9what/releases/2012/earth-moon-impact.htm)


video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbZAhwgpo1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbZAhwgpo1A)


women follow the solar rotation : a synodic rotation period of 27.2753 days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_rotation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_rotation)

in short, returning to: Topic "The main question is: Why Gravity takes effect on Matter?"


if the nature of gravity is magnetic or more precisely mono-mangetic , and takes effect on the matter, it has also just because : the nature of matter is the same as the gravity, namely mono-magnetic !!!


like it or not, this is a fact!


greetings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on May 15, 2013, 10:19:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8)

Starting at 2m. 10s in the following video, you can see right through the astronaut and see the flag and other objects behind him. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWgXM6I_bvE#t=125s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YWgXM6I_bvE#t=125s))

The only way this would happen, and does happen, is when they are filming in front of a "blue screen".  Before they invented the "green screen" now used in films, they filmed in front of a blue screen, and this was one of the flaws that the blue screen would do.  If the angle and lighting wasn't perfect, it would cause the objects in front to disappear as if it wasn't even there.  Look it up, Stanley Kubrick front projection and blue screen.

Gravock

In the long run, it is far more dangerous to adhere to illusion, than to face what the actual fact is.

Gravock

How Stanley Kubrick faked the Apollo moon landings, http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on May 17, 2013, 02:28:25 PM
How Stanley Kubrick faked the Apollo moon landings, http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo (http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo)

Gravock

Here's a thread for a further discussion on the moon landings, http://www.overunity.com/4867/the-moon-landings-nasas-hoaxes-lies-new-video-evidence/new/#new (http://www.overunity.com/4867/the-moon-landings-nasas-hoaxes-lies-new-video-evidence/new/#new) so this thread can get back on topic.


Gravock