well its still only solar but when i first came to the site many years ago , Solar was over $4 a watt to manufacture. I know this is an overunity site, but hell this is getting pretty cheap for household.
http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/12/solar-40-cents-per-watt-a-reality-next-year-according-to-rsi/ (http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/12/solar-40-cents-per-watt-a-reality-next-year-according-to-rsi/)
With electric cars getting cheaper I may not need a free energy device ...I still want one lol
Mark
0,40 US$/Wp : 2014 ? Manufactoring costs ! Consumer price ?
Alternative ??? 8) : http://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=8426 (http://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=8426)
Solar cells and free energy ? ??? ::)
Let me see ;) :
http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=660 (http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=660)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900201&CC=DE&NR=3817730A1&KC=A1)
Quote from: markdansie on July 12, 2013, 11:52:10 AM
well its still only solar but when i first came to the site many years ago , Solar was over $4 a watt to manufacture. I know this is an overunity site, but hell this is getting pretty cheap for household.
http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/12/solar-40-cents-per-watt-a-reality-next-year-according-to-rsi/ (http://revolution-green.com/2013/07/12/solar-40-cents-per-watt-a-reality-next-year-according-to-rsi/)
With electric cars getting cheaper I may not need a free energy device ...I still want one lol
Mark
Solar panels require full sun to put out enough to be of use to run much of anything. Solar panels also only work during the day, and require a large installation site, and use of a power company (in the use of a grid tie inverter), or a large battery bank with a power inverter, which is expensive and the battery bank will need replaced periodically. However, solar is a form of free energy, utilizing sun light for an energy source, which does not need to be paid back.
My favorite is extracting energy from the magnetic field. Magnetic field energy extraction is a new, usable technology, but needs development. In my opinion, magnetic field energy extraction has a better and more reliable future than solar, if properly developed. It can operate in the dark, and without the wind.
@liberty:
I just wish we could REALLY come up with a way to get some harvest-able energy from magnets. They have been a point of interest with me for years.
Unfortunately with all the experimenters researching this field no one has been able to come up with a way to get energy out of a magnet ~ not at least that others can duplicate. . .
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on July 12, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
@liberty:
I just wish we could REALLY come up with a way to get some harvest-able energy from magnets. They have been a point of interest with me for years.
Unfortunately with all the experimenters researching this field no one has been able to come up with a way to get energy out of a magnet ~ not at least that others can duplicate. . .
truesearch
It's not hard to get energy out of a magnet, but experimenters fail to be able to repeat the process in an energy efficient way.
@Liberty:
http://ens.tut.ac.jp/squid/tanakas.html (http://ens.tut.ac.jp/squid/tanakas.html)
the same ? :
http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Power-multiplier/JP2005160215.html (http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Power-multiplier/JP2005160215.html)
http://pat365.com/search/refineSearchAction.do?typeURL='getM'&refineSearch=in/TANAKA+SABURO (http://pat365.com/search/refineSearchAction.do?typeURL='getM'&refineSearch=in/TANAKA+SABURO)
N° 37 / 39 / 40 / 46 Power Amplifier and Multiplier
My attempt to come in contact with him failed !
Probably somebody else has more luck !
S
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on July 12, 2013, 04:44:45 PM
@Liberty:
http://ens.tut.ac.jp/squid/tanakas.html (http://ens.tut.ac.jp/squid/tanakas.html)
the same ? :
http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Power-multiplier/JP2005160215.html (http://www.sumobrain.com/patents/jp/Power-multiplier/JP2005160215.html)
http://pat365.com/search/refineSearchAction.do?typeURL='getM'&refineSearch=in/TANAKA+SABURO (http://pat365.com/search/refineSearchAction.do?typeURL=%27getM%27&refineSearch=in/TANAKA+SABURO)
N° 37 / 39 / 40 / 46 Power Amplifier and Multiplier
My attempt to come in contact with him failed !
Probably somebody else has more luck !
S
CdL
Interesting, not sure if I understand your question, but if your asking if this information is like what I am talking about, the answer would be that it is not the same, and is not using similar methods. It appears that these patents are using known electronics methods of resonance, transformers and power factor. What I am talking about would be completely different. I have not seen my method used or patented anywhere else in the world. But my magnet motor videos do use this method.
Best wishes,
Liberty
@Liberty
I wish I could say I have seen a self running magnetic generator either motor or solid state that has been replicated and verified. Having looked at many devices world wide sadly the answer is still no.
I have seen one solid state device that did appear to be increasing the power out . However we never did get a chance to test it with caps. The inventor became very ill just before a group were to assist him with that. So I hold out some hope.
I think the real secret to solar is cheap storage and some new battery technologies are on their way.
my question I always wanted to test is if we id find a working magnetic device, where would the energy come from and would the magnets hold up???
Kind Regards
Quote from: markdansie on July 13, 2013, 03:46:19 AM
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my question I always wanted to test is if we id find a working magnetic device, where would the energy come from and would the magnets hold up???
Hi Mark,
If I may chime in, your question could be answered with considering what happens when a permanent magnet is made: the atomic structure of the magnetic material gets changed in that the magnetic domains are forced to "line up" as the huge input current pulse dictates in that moment and they remain in that position for many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. Whatever force or energy keeps the domains in that lined up order must come from the atomic forces which must have existed just before the very strong magnetic field from the current hitting the material but those forces were in any random direction till then.
Now if you use permanent magnets in a motor setup which somehow is able to utilize the static fields of these magnets, then the motive force or motive energy must come from the same "source": the lined up domains of the magnets material, provided your motor setup would not abuse the magnets too much to demagnetize them soon.
I know my above ramblings does not explain how the atomic forces within a material come about or where they originate from... so the answer to your original question above may have remained unanswered. However I do think whatever would explain the source of energy for a permanent magnet's strong and durable static field, that would also explain the source of energy for a working magnetic device made from permanent magnets.
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on July 13, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
Hi Mark,
If I may chime in, your question could be answered with considering what happens when a permanent magnet is made: the atomic structure of the magnetic material gets changed in that the magnetic domains are forced to "line up" as the huge input current pulse dictates in that moment and they remain in that position for many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. Whatever force or energy keeps the domains in that lined up order must come from the atomic forces which must have existed just before the very strong magnetic field from the current hitting the material but those forces were in any random direction till then.
Now if you use permanent magnets in a motor setup which somehow is able to utilize the static fields of these magnets, then the motive force or motive energy must come from the same "source": the lined up domains of the magnets material, provided your motor setup would not abuse the magnets too much to demagnetize them soon.
I know my above ramblings does not explain how the atomic forces within a material come about or where they originate from... so the answer to your original question above may have remained unanswered. However I do think whatever would explain the source of energy for a permanent magnet's strong and durable static field, that would also explain the source of energy for a working magnetic device made from permanent magnets.
rgds, Gyula
Gyula, Mark,
Mark, with all magnet motors, the crashing of magnetic fields are always a concern, and may damage the alignment of the permanent magnets. I think the only safe way is to design the motors they way I have made them, which avoids magnetic collisions that are potentially damaging.
I agree with Gyula's explanation of magnets. The magnet material is already magnetized, and is simply aligned with several pulses of a high magnetic field to cause the magnetic particles in the "pinning material" of the magnet, to "shine" and align themselves with the flux flow in the direction of alignment. I believe that the particles before alignment or magnetization process, are in alignment with each other, creating a closed loop. That is why little or no magnetic field is present outside of the magnet. When the pinning material is heated up, it loosens the hold on the magnetic particles and allows them to mis-align themselves in favor of finding their natural position, which I believe would be in attraction with each other. I don't know if a magnet can really be demagnetized, unless it is destroyed by rust or a similar action.
As far as the magnets that I use in my magnet motor, they are still just fine. What may cause misalignment in the magnet, is hitting the repel field with great velocity for force (which I avoid in my magnet motors). It would push against the pinning material, possibly causing a momentary loosening of the magnetic particles, thereby allowing the magnetic particles to realign to themselves in attraction to one another in a part of the magnet. (By the way, I have a working magnet motor, but it uses an electrically driven actuator). The motors that I built are powered all of the time in the videos, but don't need to be. Being powered all the time, the dual rotor is about 70% efficient using 12" speakers for actuators. If it were pulsed, mathematically, it could approach 150% efficient. With more rotors, it could provide multiple overlapping drive 360 degrees. I think my drag resistant generator is even better with more development. I have learned a great deal about these devices and know they work, but they have room for much improvement. But the principle is good and works. I believe they are the basis of the future.
http://green.wiwo.de/fotovoltaik-effizienzsprung-bei-druckbaren-billig-solarzellen/ (http://green.wiwo.de/fotovoltaik-effizienzsprung-bei-druckbaren-billig-solarzellen/)
solar 30 cents watt 2015 http://www.oxfordpv.com/ (http://www.oxfordpv.com/)
There will be several solutions beside solar/thermionic cells and magnetic force converter !
Quote from: lancaIV on July 13, 2013, 01:24:26 PM
http://green.wiwo.de/fotovoltaik-effizienzsprung-bei-druckbaren-billig-solarzellen/ (http://green.wiwo.de/fotovoltaik-effizienzsprung-bei-druckbaren-billig-solarzellen/)
solar 30 cents watt 2015 http://www.oxfordpv.com/ (http://www.oxfordpv.com/)
There will be several solutions beside solar/thermionic cells and magnetic force converter !
Thanks for the update
I followed this technology a few years ago but this really is a huge breakthrough
Kind Regards
@markdansie :
you should know that the exclamation of breaktrough cell technology is nothing new giving as example Alvin Marks, Joseph Yater or Martin Green from the USW University !
I think for myself that the right way to resolve the energy question is
a. the engeneering from low-consume-household-appliances
and controlling
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19960806&CC=US&NR=5543666A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19960806&CC=US&NR=5543666A&KC=A)
b. and renewable energy generation technology !
target I: to bring down the Wattpeak and lowering the power consume :
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+/- 60% off the power consume is heat/cooling related
http://al-bernstein-industries.com/new.html (http://al-bernstein-industries.com/new.html)
not oly as room heater; changing all the common heat coils ( -75%)
http://www.solterrah.com/clean-energy-mech-compressor.php (http://www.solterrah.com/clean-energy-mech-compressor.php)
http://www.eats.ltd.uk/heating_cooling.html (http://www.eats.ltd.uk/heating_cooling.html) (-50%)
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+/- 40 % power consume movement related :
electric motor,from fixed rpm to variable speed PMM
( later with capacitive windings )
f.e. http://www.sntech.com/ (http://www.sntech.com/)
alternatively: http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_1/16.shtml (http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_1/16.shtml)
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Between the load and the generator an energy amplifier like :
a. Zoelde DC PQ( PV ) Sampler http://thermogen.ws24.cc/ (http://thermogen.ws24.cc/)
b. Chobanov AC static dynamo http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page7.html (http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page7.html)
alternatively:
Yuri Shurygin wrote about 100-200 $ /KW generator ( production ) costs
http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_2/26.shtml (http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_2/26.shtml)
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As power source we will use solar cells/battery
http://gizmodo.com/this-printer-spits-out-10-meters-of-solar-panel-every-m-508966042 (http://gizmodo.com/this-printer-spits-out-10-meters-of-solar-panel-every-m-508966042)
and a Reinhardt -Turbine .
As fuel a 3RD generation biofuel : biocell / http://www.coolplanet.com/ (http://www.coolplanet.com/) and
a CO2-to-fuel www.egm-international.com (http://www.egm-international.com) fuel mix.