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I haven't noticed any chemtrails in my area since the federal government shutdown.

Gravock

I haven't noticed any chemtrails in my area ever.

I have however seen plenty of persistent and spreading clouds seeded from high bypass turbofan engines when the weather conditions allow.

Quote from: gravityblock on October 08, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
I haven't noticed any chemtrails in my area since the federal government shutdown.

Gravock

The 'Republicans are doing the right thing. Takes the sting out of the 'B'.   ;)

Hi folks, hi gravityblock, am seeing the same thing here so far.
Normally, when we have pure blue sky days, they are spraying at least a few chemtrails, have not seen any here since the so called "shutdown".
Lets hope this means more good things to come.
peace love light ;)

Same thing here in Kentucky, USA.  Now, last month, wow, they were really very active.  I did not used to believe in these things but, since I work outside, I have seen things over the past few years that defy any other explanation.

I am very familiar with aircraft and how they fly.  I know about contrails which is what I thought folks were seeing in these reports....you know...certain weather conditions, etc.  Then, my boss called me one day and told me to look up.  I did.  An aircraft (unknown) was flying at about 30,000 feet and was leaving a long trial behind it.  Then, the trail stopped for a while, and then started again.  Well, the conditions at that altitude did not change in that one area right?

Since then I have been convinced.

Great topic and poll idea.

Bill

High altitude trails and manufactured "clouds" were
very intense two days ago just ahead of the
weather system which has moved in with rain.

Hi folks, update for today, it seems they are spraying chemtrails again, though as have noticed in the past, some unseen force seems to be dissipating them or neutralizing them.
One time, saw a chemtrail literally start to breakup like a dotted line and start to shrink, until it was totally gone, so something is countering the activities of these thugs against life.
peace love light

Michigan is still being SPRAYED everyday.
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Federal government shutdown is just what we call a Punch and Judy show.

I don't know what game is really being played but I am sure the out come is that the American citizens will lose dearly.

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 09, 2013, 11:50:39 PM
 
Then, the trail stopped for a while, and then started again.  Well, the conditions at that altitude did not change in that one area right?

Bill

Wrong.. the atmosphere is not homogeneous. Conditions , especially the amount of moisture in the air does change and give rise to the apparent on/off effect you describe.

LibreEnergia, Yes you are 100% correct the atmosphere is not the same everywhere at each level.

However that does not explain how two planes flying in the same airspace can have such different trails, a chemtrail plane going one way leaving a trail right back past the horizon passes a commercial plane going the other way at the same altitude only a short distance apart, the commercial passenger plane leaves a small "normal" condensation trail, while the chemtrail plane is leaving a continuous trail of "not condensation" trailing for many miles and expanding into cloud like things. Condensation trails do not expand into cloud like things. That does not happen.

We see regular contrails go on and off as well, but a chemplane can do it at will, or stop completely when out of juice. The spray nozzles are visible in many cases. They are spaying something but what is it and why is it not told to us what they are spraying on us ?

I've noticed no actual spray planes since the U.S. government shutdown, but I did notice an very odd "too" slow moving jet several times over two nights last week then it stopped.

Cheers

P.S. On the government shutdown itself. It is a sad mob of leaders who cannot pay themselves unless they keep increasing the debt. very sad or criminally negligent at best, the entire crew.

Sack them all I say.

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Quote from: Farmhand on October 14, 2013, 11:23:22 PM

However that does not explain how two planes flying in the same airspace can have such different trails, a chemtrail plane going one way leaving a trail right back past the horizon passes a commercial plane going the other way at the same altitude only a short distance apart, the commercial passenger plane leaves a small "normal" condensation trail, while the chemtrail plane is ..

Two planes in the same airspace but going different directions will never be at the same altitude. A fundamental of air-traffic control is that planes on opposing paths will be separated vertically usually by no less than 1000 feet. This altitude difference is easily enough to account for differences in air composition.

I've seen the on/off effect many times and have only ever observed it when the atmospheric conditions would indicate that there will be unmixed air of differing temperature and humidity.

So are you saying that a regular "condensation trail" can extend from one horizon to the other and puff out to form into cloud like things ? At some particular altitude or in certain conditions.

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Farmhand:

QuoteSo are you saying that a regular "condensation trail" can extend from one horizon to the other and puff out to form into cloud like things ? At some particular altitude or in certain conditions.

There is a huge glaring problem right there and it's not specific to you and it's not even specific to the controversial issue of alleged chem trails.

Your question is "loaded" and filled with implicit preconceptions.  The message in your question is, "regular condensation trails are not supposed to extend from horizon to horizon and they are not supposed to puff out and almost seem as big as clouds themselves.  Since "we all know" how "normal condensation trails are supposed to behave" then we are very suspicious and strongly believe that they are chem trails."

I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am just using your statement as a typical example.

The whole preconceived argument is just one big house of cards that collapses under its own weight.  How do you know how condensation trails are "supposed" to behave?  How do you know how alleged chem trails are "supposed" to behave?

I looked at several of these slips on YouTube and that's what I saw.  Somebody will say, "Look at the cross-hatched chem trails in the sky!!!!"  The person making the clip hasn't the slightest clue if "cross hatches" mean chem trails, they are just concluding that like some kind of zombie pod person programmed by the "chem trail lobby" on YouTube and elsewhere that want to sell them books and DVDs!  In my opinion.

What I do know is that airports will change what landing strip they use as he prevailing winds change throughout the day.  That presumably causes the flight approach paths to change and it's possible that the flight approach paths at 11:00 AM are at right angles to the flight approach paths at 3:00 PM.   I also know that it's possible to have a large mass of very cold, very still air at higher altitudes and I would assume under these conditions that condensation trails can remain around for a long time and fluff out and appear to be much larger as time goes on.

The "chem trail lobby" just pushes their agenda and has blinders on that give them tunnel vision so that they can completely ignore common sense explanations for atmospheric phenomena.  They are _motivated_ to ignore common sense explanations in exactly the same way that John Badonkadunk will never explain to his target audience how a discharging inductor actually works!  It's not good for their pocketbooks!

That was a fun rant!

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh
The "chem trail lobby" just pushes their agenda and has blinders on that give them tunnel vision so that they can completely ignore common sense explanations for atmospheric phenomena.  They are _motivated_ to ignore common sense explanations in exactly the same way that John Badonkadunk will never explain to his target audience how a discharging inductor actually works!  It's not good for their pocketbooks!

That was a fun rant!

Probably the only scientifically truthful statement in the
entire rant is the last statement.  Obviously the rant was
great fun for you.

The "trails in the sky" have indeed been scientifically
evaluated and samples have been collected for
scientific analysis.

The "program" has been in operation for about five
decades.  The only AGENDA at work is deception
and cover-up.  Feigning ignorance is very un-
scientific.

SeaMonkey:

I am not interested in alleged chem trails so only once in a while have I commented on the issue.  With respect to your comments, people have to take them in context also.  You believe in a Grand Conspiracy and an upcoming battle of good vs. evil and the destruction of the existing order and a new dawn where good ultimately prevails.  You firmly believe all of this is happening and millions and millions of people will die and chem trails are all part of your narrative.  I think that's a complete croc but at the same time I am fully aware that there are aspects of government and things that take place that could be questionable.  But I also believe that when you average things out the net sum of what is really going on in the world is not as bad as you believe and you are just a "coming apocalypse" kind of guy and they are a dime a dozen.  Just live your life and try to be happy, it's a simple recipe!

Yes indeed, I read that Stalin was presented with a daily list of people that had questionable political leanings or they were not liked for one reason or the other and they were killed, day after day.  The world is a nasty place and will always be a nasty place.  But there is a lot of good in the world also, and that's were most people want to focus their energies.  Believing that "the government is poisoning us" by putting stuff in jet fuel is just whackadoo nonsense just like Sterlng Allen still believes that Yidiz has a working magnetic motor.  That kind of stuff normally doesn't get past my built-in noise filter.  I couldn't care less if you think I am just a zombie pod drone.  I think that people that fanatically believe in chem trails are zombie pod drones.  The zombies will just have to agree to disagree and "it's already forgotten" as far as I am concerned.

MileHigh

 
Seamonkey, I agree that the existence of chemtrails has been proven WAY beyond a reasonable doubt.  Many people are raised with blinders on, sent in one direction and taught to believe only what they can see. And guys with their heads in the sand or up their own heiny are very, very much a dime a dozen.  They usually only weigh in to hear their heads rattle.  And what they usually hear is the hypnotic, hollow tinkle of loose change they can believe in. 

http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2013/10/chemtrails-and-haarp-compilation-videos-and-photos-2431538.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2013/10/chemtrails-and-haarp-compilation-videos-and-photos-2431538.html)


TS

MileHigh, Anyone with any technical know how about engines of any kind would immediately realize that nothing is being put into the fuel. It is being sprayed from tanks through nozzles, the placement of the nozzles could be beside the engine or on the wings.

I for one have never said anything about I think the chemical is being put into the fuel. That would be silly and damage the engine as well as degrade performance.

There are usually two or three camps in any arena, free energy included. with the chemtrails there are probably only two, 1)the folks who will claim anything and everything like "they put it in the fuel", these are the camp that knows little thinks less and jumps on any bandwagon going along. 2) The folks who say this is not normal and point out why then ask questions, think about the practicalities and reasons for it and gather evidence.

Basically MileHigh it matters not what I "think" or what you "think". What matters is what is actually happening.

Can you say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why ?

If you can't and don't care then why comment ?

My opinion is that you just like to abjectly deny as much as you possibly can. Do your best, it won't change what is actually happening, nor can it.

Cheers

A famous philosopher said a picture is worth a Thousand Words.
                                                                                                                .

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2iRormxkw#t=319 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2iRormxkw#t=319)

Anyone who denies chemtrails is morbidly ignorant.  As for the multifold purpose of chemtrails, the debate rages.

I for one, am comforted in knowing that these trails are being sampled each time they are released and records kept as to each and every purpose.  I personally have seen "orbs" sampling chemtrails as they are being laid down, in clear skies.

Youtube - Ufo flies through chemtrails. Numerous examples.

A lot of somebodies are going to have a lot to answer for when all is said and done.
Even now, judgments are being carried out.


Blessings

Quote from: SeaMonkey on October 15, 2013, 12:51:41 AM


The "trails in the sky" have indeed been scientifically
evaluated and samples have been collected for
scientific analysis.

Absolute rubbish.

The only studies that have been done were deeply flawed from a scientific viewpoint.  Point to just one study of any merit that shows this has been proven.

Farmhand:

How much do you know about jet engines?  How do you know that you can't add additives to the fuel?  See, it's just the same thing again, you are implying a "correct" view and I don't think you know that much about the intimate engineering details about jet engines nor are you a chemical engineer that works on jet fuel mixtures.  In my case, I know for certain that I don't know.

QuoteWhat matters is what is actually happening.

Indeed, and you have no clue at all what is "actually happening" yet you seem to be implying that you do.  I have no clue either but I am willing to use my common sense and apply it to situations when I don't know.

"Chem trails" is almost like "radiant energy" in the context of free energy enthusiasts.  In both cases nobody can define it or measure it or find any hard evidence either exists.  But at least for "radiant energy" I know it's complete nonsense.  You will see it discussed like it is real a little bit on this forum, but much more so on the Energetic Forum.  There are giant threads on EF where people discuss "radiant energy" as a tangible thing, and they are grown adults that are completely and utterly wrong.

QuoteCan you say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why ?

Another loaded question and I will answer it with a twist:  You Farmhand can't say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why.  You don't even know if they are spraying anything or if it is just water.  And even if they are spraying something you have no clue at all if it might be for a legitimate scientific or agricultural reason.

QuoteMy opinion is that you just like to abjectly deny as much as you possibly can. Do your best, it won't change what is actually happening, nor can it.

One more time, you are pushing a concept and trying to pretend that you know something and you know that it's true.  Who says anything is actually happening?  That kind of quasi-subliminal attempt at brainwashing doesn't work for me.  It's very possible and very very likely that nothing is happening.  You linked to a clip of a woman catching a reflection in her door window and calling it a chem trail.  Sometimes in life you just have to say something is crap, otherwise you would go insane.

TechStuf:

QuoteAnyone who denies chemtrails is morbidly ignorant.  As for the multifold purpose of chemtrails, the debate rages.

I absolutely and unequivocally deny the existence of chemtrails unless you can produce solid evidence for the chemicals, the reasons for doing so, the delivery systems, the agency that is carrying out the task, and so on.  I have looked at a bunch of YouTube videos and I think they are junk.  So I consider myself reasonably well informed, not ignorant.

Anyway, what a world we live in.  Probably within minutes of the 1995 Oklahoma bombing you had people claiming it was a government conspiracy.  Same thing for the Boston bombings, within an hour Alex Jones had a YouTube clip up stating that it was a false flag operation.

So at least I gave you guys a countering opinion, and that's a good thing!  A little bit of balance in the expression of views is good.  I think of Sterling Allen and he lives in this kind of world view.  I say to myself thank God (just an expression) that I don't live in the creepy horrible world that his mind puts him in.  He will believe in some flaky guy that does a total fail when demoing his "magnetic motor" and also believe that we are in a creepy horrible nightmare world where there are dark forces at every turn.  Chem trails is just another facet of this creepy zombie smoke and mirrors world of the mind.  Check out the creepy 1965 Catherine Deneuve movie Repulsion for the unpleasant taste.

Yuck!  Not for me.  I am now officially totally burned out discussing the ridiculous subject of chem trails.

MileHigh

 

QuoteYuck!  Not for me.  I am now officially totally burned out discussing
the ridiculous subject of chem trails.

BS. 

You don't seem to know what "officially" means and you never burn out.  You're like "Bob" in the movie, what about Bob. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0pKymngWgJw#t=48 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0pKymngWgJw#t=48)

You show up and prattle on to hear your head rattle.  You rag on and on about proof like a child dinging for the Christmas toy he hopes he'll never receive, and when he gets it, he's too afraid to tear the wrapping paper or untie the bow. 

Here is a radical new therapy for your condition.  Rather than peeking into the topics to blather on and on about how they suck and can't happen and no proof is enough....try searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.  You know, contributing "experience" to the pool, rather than just hopping off the high dive to take a crap and try and send every one out early. 

Surely I'm not alone in my supposition that you if you are not a "shill" for the backstreet boys, then you should at least consider putting in an application.  Because if you ain't getting paid to act such a fool, then this sad joke isn't just on us, but doubly so on you.

Don't let the revolving door pinch your pinky on the way out.



TS

TechStuf:

All the world is a stage.

I thought that this was a discussion about alleged chem trails and not an ad hominem attack session. 

Quotetry searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.

Really?  Why don't you go and take a read of another thread around here about pulse motors and tell us how it relates to your statement above.  What does it mean when you put the word "actually" in quotations in a sentence in reference to your statement above?  You probably will pretend to be immune to my advice, but my advice to you is to just be real TechStuf.  Just be real.  When you are pretending to be someone that you are not, it's just a useless and pointless expenditure of mental energy.  You can burn yourself out like that.

I expressed my opinion on alleged chem trails, and I stand behind it.  Just deal with it in a civil manner.

MileHigh

MileHigh, LibreEnergia,

You both seem to have lost your
scientific curiosity and whatever dedication
to scientific inquiry that you may have
possessed earlier in your existences. ???

Both of your tactics are well known in the
Forum Community.  You both follow orders
well and your handlers are no doubt satisfied
with your abilities to disrupt. :o

Promoting the true aims of science is clearly
not part of either of your agendas although
MileHigh is busily engaged in considerable
technical discussion in order to establish some
degree of false credibility. 8)

If your beliefs are genuine, you are of course
entitled to them.  If they are deception (as they
seem to be) then you'll encounter resistance to
your goals. ::)

In due time all truth will be revealed and none
will be able to deny it.  Thankfully, the warriors
for Truth are growing in numbers.  ;)

SeaMonkey:

I reject your allegations, and they are nothing more than that.  The line about "handlers" is too much.  How you can argue that I am against the true aims of science in the context of this discussion baffles me.  Nor is debating and challenging ideas and asking for tangible proof and logical reasoning "disruption."  That's the refuge of a scoundrel.  "I can't respond with rational arguments so I will accuse you of disruption."

My beliefs are indeed genuine.  You can't forget the Big Picture, SeaMonkey.  Whatever lay Internet coverage you see for things like chem trails or over unity makes it appear that there is some traction with mainstream thought.  But then when a hot topic happens in the free energy community and there is a high-profile YouTube clip associated with it, how many hits might the clip get?  One thousand if you are lucky?  What we can't forget is the vast majority of scientists and engineers and the people in the Military-Industrial Complex never even think about this stuff for a second.  It's a very small community online and in the broader context, it's not even a micro community.  It's more like a nano community.  You talk about "handlers" and "following orders" and "agendas" but the truth is we are just in another kind of Dr. Seuss Whoville.  Nobody is watching SeaMonkey, I assure you.  The online basket weaving community is probably much larger than this community.  Gary Hendershot's show might get 200 viewers between the two streaming services he is on.

This is just a fun nano community and nobody is watching or paying attention.  Tens of millions of scientists, academics, engineers, and people in the Military-Industrial Complex go to work each day and never think of the latest buzz in the free energy community, ever.

So everybody should just chill out and try to have some fun.  Practically nobody even knows we are here.  Nobody is watching.  There is probably more online discussion about Rihanna's current nail polish colour than there is in the entire free energy community.

MileHigh

Dead on, Sea Monkey!

The trolls of this world, and there are many, are often incapable of recognizing their condition.  To continually inhabit a place that is anathema to one's sensibilities bespeaks a mental issue(s) that usually go way back....

Those who show up to discussion merely to register their derision, contempt,  arrogant dismissiveness, and utter blindness, don't stick around long in real life gatherings.

They don't haunt the traditional science forums because they'd continually get their asses handed to them over their willful lack of understanding.  They prefer to plague the creative areas where toleration is usually more abundant.  Of course, these are usually the kinds of individuals who wouldn't even think of pulling their shtick in a real life gathering.  It's sad, really.  And more commonly the actions of adolescents.

Sea Monkey, you are right.  It'll all wash out in the end.  Some of us will move on, and some will be held back....but not for lack of trying to grab a coat tail and hitch a ride.


TS

I know what chem trail clouds do and yes I have had them for 4 days here you need to go outside around 12am to 2 am and as current clouds past you will see them they have been spraying at nite here in eastern north taxolina on top of other clouds.. I also think this is why people sinus problems have be worst in the past couple years than others??

Robbie

SeaMonkey:

QuoteMileHigh is busily engaged in considerable
technical discussion in order to establish some
degree of false credibility.

That's actually pretty offensive.  I did that for fun and gave some pulse motor builders some new ideas and educated them.  And you spout nonsense like that?  The truth is I could have designed and built that pulse motor circuit practically in my sleep in 1981.  Here we are in 2013 and the "state of the art" in pulse motors has not changed very much in the five years that I have been around.  So it was time to talk about something new.  Plus I designed a live power meter and I discussed how to get more bang out of your drive coil.

Then you get ridiculous comments like this from TechStuf:

Quotetry searching far and wide for a topic you "actually" know something about, and can participate in a positive manner.

What a joke.

I am more than happy to discuss and debate in a civil manner.  The bogey man stuff is just silly.  Like I said, this is a nano community and nobody knows that we are even here.  There has never been an economically disruptive anything coming out of the forums in the past five years.  There are no handlers, and no death squads ready to pounce on the next person to show their spinny pulse motor or Joule Thief.  It's just a silly fantasy that calls into question your rational throught processes.

Just debate and have fun without the cloak and dagger stuff and the impending doom and the Rapture stuff, please.  When I think about it, the online "impending doom" community must be at least 100 times the size of the free energy community.  Perhaps you have some buddies in that community and you trade in soybean and pork belly and coffee futures?  lol

Anyway, I will leave you guys and gals to discuss chem trails.

MileHigh

TechStuf,

Well said.  You have a way with words!

More potential fuel for the fire. (http://www.zengardner.com/nasa-admits-chemtrails/)

 
Same to you, SeaMonkey. 

About the fuel for the fire, I know what you mean, I posted a direct Youtube link higher in the thread.  The pile just gets higher and deeper.

You know, you could probably get two cans of RAID bug spray and shove one nozzle up each nostril of any number of the cowardly Truth deniers and let 'er rip and they would keep yapping in denial even as some of the spray was coming back out their mouths. And if you were talking with them face to face and started to get dizzy from the fallout coming back at you from out their flapping gums.....

They'd simply look at you incredulously and say:  "Was it something I said?"
At which point, one might simply offer them an aspartame breath mint and say, "No, it was something you ate".  And walk on, leaving them to happily munch and spray....munch and spray....

Such is the coward's way.


TS

Quote from: MileHigh on October 15, 2013, 07:55:34 PM
Farmhand:

How much do you know about jet engines?  How do you know that you can't add additives to the fuel?  See, it's just the same thing again, you are implying a "correct" view and I don't think you know that much about the intimate engineering details about jet engines nor are you a chemical engineer that works on jet fuel mixtures.  In my case, I know for certain that I don't know.

Personally not much but Qualified people have testified that adding any significant amount of contaminant to jet fuel would be madness.

QuoteIndeed, and you have no clue at all what is "actually happening" yet you seem to be implying that you do.  I have no clue either but I am willing to use my common sense and apply it to situations when I don't know.

Key word is "seem", if I actually knew I would not need to ask questions i would just say. I'm not implying I actually know.

Quote"Chem trails" is almost like "radiant energy" in the context of free energy enthusiasts.  In both cases nobody can define it or measure it or find any hard evidence either exists.  But at least for "radiant energy" I know it's complete nonsense.  You will see it discussed like it is real a little bit on this forum, but much more so on the Energetic Forum.  There are giant threads on EF where people discuss "radiant energy" as a tangible thing, and they are grown adults that are completely and utterly wrong.

You don't believe a radiant heater radiates energy ? Wow

QuoteAnother loaded question and I will answer it with a twist:  You Farmhand can't say with certainty what the spray planes with visible nozzles that are filmed spraying are actually spraying and why.  You don't even know if they are spraying anything or if it is just water.  And even if they are spraying something you have no clue at all if it might be for a legitimate scientific or agricultural reason.

I can see they are spraying stuff, if it is nothing nefarious then why not tell us what it is, plenty have asked. If it is legitimate then we have a right to know. And would likely have been informed, or at least we should have been.

QuoteOne more time, you are pushing a concept and trying to pretend that you know something and you know that it's true.  Who says anything is actually happening?  That kind of quasi-subliminal attempt at brainwashing doesn't work for me.  It's very possible and very very likely that nothing is happening.  You linked to a clip of a woman catching a reflection in her door window and calling it a chem trail.  Sometimes in life you just have to say something is crap, otherwise you would go insane.

I didn't call what the woman seen a "Chemtrail" I even said it could be a natural thing, i just didn't think it was a reflection and showed a second clip of a similar effect filmed by another person. You sir have a mental problem.  I'm not pretending to know anything. For you to imply that I am using some kind of quasi-subliminal attempt at brainwashing is offensive, and just plain wrong, you can accuse me of whatever you like, i can't stop that. But I will not take it lying down. Though out of compassion I'm prepared to leave it at that.

I do not wish you to reply to me or interact with me any more on any forum, you lie and put words in my mouth I did not say. Ok get it, do not address me or refer to me and I will do the same for you. I do not trust you not to misrepresent me and I may even register a complaint about you. Of course you have the right of reply but if it offends me I will take it further.

Personally I respect that you have been trained and educated yourself in some fields, but that does not give you authority over anyone. OR make any comment you make about subjects off your scope of training any more worthwhile than mine. You've been trained in something I've been trained in something else, we are both commenting outside our field, but I am certain I have the right to document and discuss what I see as suspicious and potentially a health hazard.

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Farmhand:

You are so sensitive and you seem crushed that somebody can express a differing opinion or comment about one of your postings that you don''t like.  Get a grip, man.  Your threats to "register a complaint" about me are totally ridiculous, grow up.

Beyond that the three of you just can't seem cope with the fact that other people might have different opinions than your own.  Hence the quasi-freak out and all the tired old cliche accusations and the crazy metaphors.  It's unbelievable that "dissenting opinion" is treated in such a way on a place where people should be allowed to express their opinions and exchange ideas.  I even suspect that some people express belief in chem trails just to "be cool and fit in" and don't actually even believe it but they are afraid.

Five years from now, ten years from now, and fifteen years from now, you will still be talking about chem trails and the world will be going on just fine and nothing will have changed.  That in itself will prove how nonsensical this whole topic really is.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh
Five years from now, ten years from now, and fifteen years from now, you will still be talking about chem trails and the world will be going on just fine and nothing will have changed.  That in itself will prove how nonsensical this whole topic really is.

There are no doubt many who would agree
with your prediction.  It will be very interesting
to observe how our near future pans out.

Most experts in finance and economics believe
that our "system" has reached its breaking point
and that extreme "change" as promised by Obama
is on the horizon.  Deception and lack of transparency
will only work for a time.  It is becoming ever more
obvious that most politicians in America have gone
over the edge with their shenanigans.

We're presently under a high pressure system and
our skies have been clear for several days.  In the
recent past most artificial cloud structures have been
sprayed at the leading edge of advancing low pressure
systems.  The laid down trails haven't been long
continuous trails extending for many miles but have
been short bursts over the tops of existing clouds in
an apparent attempt to build the vertical extent of
the cloud mass.  Probably to build weather systems
which will produce much precipitation at select
locations.

It would seem the techniques are changing and
becoming more refined.

 
You see, that is how the Truth deniers use "logic".....they say that the world will go on and on, and that will PROVE how nonsensical the topic of CHEMTRAILS is.....

That is truly how infantile they view things.  As if the world continuing to turn PROVES that chemtrails don't exist.  That level of willful blindness is usually reserved for certain government employees whose whole lives revolve around sucking so closely at hind teat, they couldn't see the truth if they could even muster the personal conviction to try. 

They have eyes but do not see.  They, I must assume, have ears but cannot hear.
IF, and what an IF that is......the world goes on for fifteen more years, it will surely look different than the one we've left behind.

And hiding inside the crustal plates at the expense of the many will not save them.
Trying to leave the solar system hasn't worked out very well either.

Poisoning one's fellow humans is a sure fire way to become an island unto one's self.

Of the pillow lava variety.



TS

                                                                                              .

Fluoride which is added to drinking water is
certainly not a good thing;  but, Fluoride is
added to (in America) nearly any bottled
water, soft drink, soda, juice, baby juice
and of course toothpaste.

Those who're determined to reduce the
numbers of living souls on Planet Earth are
deadly serious.

On a more positive note:

Canadian Man Acts to Stop Chemtrails (http://henrymakow.com/2013/10/doing-something-about-chemtrails.html)

More bad news about the substances which
are being sprayed. (http://naturalsociety.com/neurologist-warns-exploding-cognitive-disorders-chemtrail-toxins/)

It does seem though that more and more
people are beginning to take note.