This one is something to ponder by folks like Captain Zero and E2Matrix and others with a well known recurring theme.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kevin-trudeau-infamous-tv-pitchman-sentenced-to-prison-1.2576454
What lurks in the soul of Man? When you put on your magic glasses do you see Men in Black? Or do you see Men in Orange?
One can only hope that more of these fraudsters face a judge who will not be swayed by empty claims of finding religion.
Another great inventor and truth seeker being suppressed by TPTB.
So, so sad.
Knowing what lurks behind the "courts", and they've previously done to men like Wilhelm Reich, Paul Pantone etal (not counting the ones they bought off or just offed), I hope everyone will understand total lack of confidence or respect for veiled proclamations emanating from perverts in an illusionary fifedom.
Regards...
Captain:
Let this statement from the article sink in:
Quote"Since his 20s, he has steadfastly attempted to cheat others for his own gain," Guzman said, adding that Trudeau is "deceitful to the very core."
People like that use people like you as unwitting cheerleaders to influence others on the fence that have money to "invest."
MileHigh
I endorsed nothing or no one.
Maybe you wood be advised to clean the lint out while you are navel gazing.
Idle hands...
Cap-Z-ro do you think or suspect that the court has been unfair to Trudeau? Do you think that Trudeau's advertisements that claimed his diet was easy and painless were true for living people? His 500 calorie per day diet is less than the 600 calories per day fed to prisoners of German concentration camps late in WWII and less than half of many super-lean diets people follow in hopes of life extension.
What do you think of Paul Pantone's GEET claims? Do you think that they are legitimate?
What do you think of Wilhelm Reich's orgone claims? Do you think that they are legitimate?
Hot tip concerning lint: A cellphone headphone jack can easily accumulate lint to the point that the jack will no longer work. You can fix the problem by carefully digging out the lint with a dental pick from Radio Shack or even an unwound small paper clip.
Local yokel decides he wanted to have a go at myself and another member with vague insinuation...I address the bozo, and another pops up...same one, who knows these daze ?
Despite my accurate assessment of the criminals in charge of the courts, and a few examples of past persecutions.
Here is another...cancer researcher Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski.
Now, while I can't in all honesty vouch for their innocence, I can vouch for the guilt of their oppressors.
Clear enough for the trolls here ?
Very doubtful...even trolls need their paycheck...and unfortunately they haven't been sterilized.
Regards...
This world is so fucked up that I simply don't believe that the only reason to lock someone up are his diet books. Seriously: how many crappy weight loss books are there which are of no use? How many costly diet courses are there for people? How many useless pharmaceutic drugs are there to help people lose weight? If you start locking up people because of that - then also lock up all the pharmacy industries for withhelding drugs for cancer cures... oh wait - in the article something like this is mentioned - that he accused agencies and industry for withhelding low cost drugs against lethal illnesses. Hmmm strange ...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on March 20, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
Local yokel decides he wanted to have a go at myself and another member with vague insinuation...I address the bozo, and another pops up...same one, who knows these daze ?
OK so you have some paranoid ideas about imaginary sock puppets.
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Despite my accurate assessment of the criminals in charge of the courts, and a few examples of past persecutions.
Do you think that Trudeau has been persecuted?
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Here is another...cancer researcher Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski.
I am not familiar with his case.
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Now, while I can't in all honesty vouch for their innocence, I can vouch for the guilt of their oppressors.
What have Trudeau's "oppressors" done that is out of line?
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Clear enough for the trolls here ?
Very doubtful...even trolls need their paycheck...and unfortunately they haven't been sterilized.
Say no more. A clear thought pattern is emerging. If anyone asks questions about your unusual ideas they must be part of some cadre paid to go after you.
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Regards...
I this loon a troll, bozo, or just a run of the mill douche...hard to say, but the line of questioning is certainly troll like.
I dunno...guesses anyone ?
Regards...
Captain Zero:
There is no need to dish out the insults. The link was to show you that there are rip-off artists out there. That carries over to the fact that there are rip-off artists in the realm of free energy. To some of them it's like taking candy from a baby.
QuoteI dunno...guesses anyone ?
I really don't think the crowd is "with you."
Your MIB fantasies about me and MarkE and other known people around here are complete nonsense. You think the government is worried about something like Wayne's brain? Wayne typifies many free energy scammers. They barely even have a clue with respect to what they are talking about. You worry about the "MIB" watching some electronics thread where most of the participants couldn't even design a transistor circuit if their lives depended on it. Not to mention the big hurdle of understanding how an inductor works, of which probably 95%+ of the experimenters don't understand at all.
Forget your MIB fantasies of cutting-edge free energy research being watched by the MIB with paid anti-shills promoting the "party line." It's completely and totally ridiculous. Put your brain in gear and think.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
Captain Zero:
There is no need to dish out the insults. The link was to show you that there are rip-off artists out there. That carries over to the fact that there are rip-off artists in the realm of free energy. To some of them it's like taking candy from a baby.
I really don't think the crowd is "with you."
Your MIB fantasies about me and MarkE and other known people around here are complete nonsense. You think the government is worried about something like Wayne's brain? Wayne typifies many free energy scammers. They barely even have a clue with respect to what they are talking about. You worry about the "MIB" watching some electronics thread where most of the participants couldn't even design a transistor circuit if their lives depended on it. Not to mention the big hurdle of understanding how an inductor works, of which probably 95%+ of the experimenters don't understand at all.
Forget your MIB fantasies of cutting-edge free energy research being watched by the MIB with paid anti-shills promoting the "party line." It's completely and totally ridiculous. Put your brain in gear and think.
MileHigh
That's just what the government wants them to think!
QuoteThere exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment. They are the sheep who beg to be fleeced and butchered, and who will battle fiercely to preserve their right to be victimized. James Randi
Pantone, Lee, Keshe, Travis, Aviso, Bedini, Rohner, Puchta ... there is a nearly endless list of sharpies out there looking for believers who can still hand over cash.
I guess I should be honored.
*takes modest bow toward audience*
Quote from: gauschor on March 20, 2014, 02:58:07 PM
This world is so fucked up that I simply don't believe that the only reason to lock someone up are his diet books. Seriously: how many crappy weight loss books are there which are of no use? How many costly diet courses are there for people? How many useless pharmaceutic drugs are there to help people lose weight? If you start locking up people because of that - then also lock up all the pharmacy industries for withhelding drugs for cancer cures... oh wait - in the article something like this is mentioned - that he accused agencies and industry for withhelding low cost drugs against lethal illnesses. Hmmm strange ...
Hi Gauscher,
You are bang on that.
I agree with you whole heartedly on what you just stated--
it's a known fact (pharmaceuticals, power companies, oil conglomerates, governments, or what have you.)----
They have the trolls that try to control us , (the masses) and it's soo easy for them, as we are all Lemmings in one way or the other.
Cheers--Paul
Quote from: MarkE on March 20, 2014, 07:42:19 PM
That's just what the government wants them to think!
That's unfortunately the truth. All this 'Don't vote, it's a rigged system!' etc. nonsense is seeded by PR agencies that are employed to discourage contrarian elements from participating in the democratic process. The legalization of marihuana and gay marriages in some states is another tactic they employed to distract critical thinkers and keep them away from the poll booths: Now they are occupied baking hemp cakes and planning gay weddings and can't be arsed to go and vote for parties and candidates who support their causes. Same with free energy etc.
It's a rigged game.
Gee, if they locked up Kevin...what about that guy who claimed so many times that....
"If you like your healthcare, you can keep it."
"If you like your Dr. then you can keep him."
"Of course you can use your regular hospital."
"The average American family will save over $2,800 on their healthcare with Obamacare."
"The cost of healthcare is now less then the price of a cellphone." (This one was just last week!!!)
I just wish ALL of the fraudsters were put in jail.
Bill
There is obviously much room for improvement, but universal healthcare is, in itself, a good idea.
Hopefully the electorate figures out what to do to make the system more efficient. (Sarcasm)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 20, 2014, 11:18:01 PM
Gee, if they locked up Kevin...what about that guy who claimed so many times that....
"If you like your healthcare, you can keep it."
People who have been paying $50,000. per year liked their health care. All others didn't.
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"If you like your Dr. then you can keep him."
They meant a commemorative bobble head of your doctor.
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"Of course you can use your regular hospital."
Provided you opt for the Double Gilded Platinum Plan
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"The average American family will save over $2,800 on their healthcare with Obamacare."
These figures are not typical. Actual results may vary.Quote
"The cost of healthcare is now less then the price of a cellphone." (This one was just last week!!!)
Provided your cellphone costs 30% of your annual income.
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I just wish ALL of the fraudsters were put in jail.
That's called Congress.
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Bill
Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
Captain Zero:
I really don't think the crowd is "with you."
You worry about the "MIB" watching some electronics thread where most of the participants couldn't even design a transistor circuit if their lives depended on it. Not to mention the big hurdle of understanding how an inductor works, of which probably 95%+ of the experimenters don't understand at all.
Forget your MIB fantasies of cutting-edge free energy research being watched by the MIB with paid anti-shills promoting the "party line." It's completely and totally ridiculous. Put your brain in gear and think.
MileHigh
I really don't think the crowd is "with you." ;)
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/cia-sponsored-trolls-monitor-social-media-interact-with-users-to-discredit-factual-information/ (http://www.occupycorporatism.com/cia-sponsored-trolls-monitor-social-media-interact-with-users-to-discredit-factual-information/) 8) ;)
http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-government-trolls-social-media-blogs-forums-websites/1171081/ (http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-government-trolls-social-media-blogs-forums-websites/1171081/) :o :o 8) ;)
http://consciouslifenews.com/activist-ken-okeefe-destroys-disinfo-shill-exposing-global-chessboard-agenda/1167317/ (http://consciouslifenews.com/activist-ken-okeefe-destroys-disinfo-shill-exposing-global-chessboard-agenda/1167317/) ;D ;)
http://consciouslifenews.com/teen-gmo-activist-destroys-elite-shill-bully-her/1162119/ (http://consciouslifenews.com/teen-gmo-activist-destroys-elite-shill-bully-her/1162119/) :-* ;)
http://consciouslifenews.com/dr-mercola-expert-detractors-california-prop-37-shills-big-biotech/1141369/ (http://consciouslifenews.com/dr-mercola-expert-detractors-california-prop-37-shills-big-biotech/1141369/) ??? ;)
Just because there are scams in free energy, doesnt prove that free energy doesnt exist. ;)
Just because there are scams using Gods name, does not mean that God does not exist. ;) ;)
And, just because you guys claim that shills do not exist on this site, does not mean that there are not any. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I really don't think the crowd is "with you." ;)
Mags
What do all the yellow dots mean? I hope they are used to signify irony?
Quote from: MarkE on March 20, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
People who have been paying $50,000. per year liked their health care. All others didn't.
" All others didn't." ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Now there is a statement I would like to see even a 'shred' of proof of. ;) ::) With emphasis on 'All', if you can. lol ::)
Mags
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 20, 2014, 11:53:52 PM
What do all the yellow dots mean? I hope they are used to signify irony?
Well this one ;) is a wink.
:o is like saying Ooooo!!
;D is a sign Im right. ;D
8) Is a shill 8)
:-* Teen girl fighting for the rights to know the difference between GMO and 'natural' foods Article in the 'bunch of yellow dots' post. ;)
Mags
Quote from: MarkE on March 20, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
They meant a commemorative bobble head of your doctor.Provided you opt for the Double Gilded Platinum PlanThese figures are not typical. Actual results may vary.Provided your cellphone costs 30% of your annual income.That's called Congress.
"They meant a commemorative bobble head of your doctor."
Ah, so thats what"you can keep your doctor, period." means. ::)
Bill said.... "The average American family will save over $2,800 on their healthcare with Obamacare."
You said.... "These figures are not typical. Actual results may vary."
Yeah they vary. They vary in the opposite of what we were told. 'Typically' the average American family pays more. And next year 'ALL' will pay more.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/insurers-obamacare-expect-premium-prices-180000930.html
Mags
Is universal healthcare a bad idea?
Quote from: Magluvin on March 21, 2014, 12:33:16 AM
"They meant a commemorative bobble head of your doctor."
Ah, so thats what"you can keep your doctor, period." means. ::)
Bill said.... "The average American family will save over $2,800 on their healthcare with Obamacare."
You said.... "These figures are not typical. Actual results may vary."
Yeah they vary. They vary in the opposite of what we were told. 'Typically' the average American family pays more. And next year 'ALL' will pay more.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/insurers-obamacare-expect-premium-prices-180000930.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/insurers-obamacare-expect-premium-prices-180000930.html)
Mags
Actually, Obama said that, not me. But I agree with your point.
I could have obtained
catastrophic health ins. for $100/month with a $5,00 deductible. Now, with obama care, the same policy is $800/month with a $12,000 deductible. I am a single white guy and there are no subsidies for me. This represents about 75% of my GROSS income which is, of course, not possible for me to be able to pay. So, they can go screw themselves I am not playing this stupid game, nor will I pay any stupid fine. I have not been to a Dr. in 20 years so, I am not costing anyone anything. Thankfully, there are millions and millions of my fellow Americans that are saying the same thing. They can't lock us all up.
Oh, I just heard today that most pre-existing conditions are not covered either under this great program. Gee, I heard him say that they were.
Bill
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 21, 2014, 12:36:17 AM
Is universal healthcare a bad idea?
Think about it like this... Imagine the American healthcare system as it was. Now add the Government into the mix. The Gov is going to pay itself handsomely to intervene. ;) Does that make it cheaper and better? ??? OB "The health care law is not a tax" Supreme Court "its a tax" ::)
The original goal was to insure 30mil people that did not have healthcare(some dont want it). The amount of money already spent on OBcare could have paid for them over and over, without millions of people that 'had' their own plans and got canceled. And now seeing their premiums go up, for less coverage, different doctors and increased deductibles. ::)
And if it was so bad before, then why didnt they just fix that with rules. They have already put the new rules in place with OBcare, so its not like it could not have been done without huge costly involvement.
Its not about healthcare. its just about taxing till the well is dry.
Just like 'global warming' lol. One state ended the school year early because of non stop snow.
Global warming is not the great choice of words lately. Its been so snowed out that now it is just 'climate change'. have you noticed? ;) ;) ;) One way or the other, its just a ploy to impose regulations and taxation, including on us for breathing co2, eventually. There are articles on that subject. ;D
Yes, it would be nice if everyone had equal quality healthcare. But history shows that it doesnt work out that way. ;D A Gov that insists on fluoridation(neurotoxin) of most all drinking water supplies. http://intellihub.com/peer-reviewed-journal-classifies-fluoride-neurotoxin/ (http://intellihub.com/peer-reviewed-journal-classifies-fluoride-neurotoxin/)
http://www.naturalnews.com/044366_fluoride_aluminum_brain_damage.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/044366_fluoride_aluminum_brain_damage.html)
Now, have you heard of chemtrails? Have you heard that there is aluminum in those chem sprays?
Hmm, feed them all fluoridated water, then load the air with aluminum particulates.
Chem trails are real. Hawaii drew up bills to have no chemtrail spraying over the islands. Fact. Many other countries are fighting against it happening over their lands. Fact
Anyway. So do ya think 'they' care about your health? ;)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035171_Kathleen_Sebelius_contraception_depopulation.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/035171_Kathleen_Sebelius_contraception_depopulation.html) :o
http://www.naturalnews.com/024128_CODEX_food_health.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/024128_CODEX_food_health.html)
http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035896_eugenics_population_control_babies.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/035896_eugenics_population_control_babies.html)
Thats just from one website. There is tons of info on this.
Mags
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2014, 01:19:14 AM
Actually, Obama said that, not me. But I agree with your point.
I could have obtained catastrophic health ins. for $100/month with a $5,00 deductible. Now, with obama care, the same policy is $800/month with a $12,000 deductible. I am a single white guy and there are no subsidies for me. This represents about 75% of my GROSS income which is, of course, not possible for me to be able to pay. So, they can go screw themselves I am not playing this stupid game, nor will I pay any stupid fine. I have not been to a Dr. in 20 years so, I am not costing anyone anything. Thankfully, there are millions and millions of my fellow Americans that are saying the same thing. They can't lock us all up.
Oh, I just heard today that most pre-existing conditions are not covered either under this great program. Gee, I heard him say that they were.
Bill
Yeah, he said a lot of things. ::) I wasnt into politics before this presidency. I listened to some of what he said back then. Didnt sound bad at all. My brother and I fought over it, me thinking my brother was just prejudging. But now when I go back and listen.. "Fundamentally change America", now I know what he meant. ::) And the rest is all the same language. ;) Ever read his books? One tells all about how to bring down the USA. And its all going as planned pretty much, and fast. Glen Beck exposed that and all the communist people around him. Glen Becks fatal move was exposing the Fed a a private entity. Thats why he lost his show on Fox. He shows up on the show here n there though.
Mags
....
Some people say there is proof Michelle Obama is a man. What would that mean for most U.S.A.an's :) if it was true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAXqKugXkg
I say U.S.A.an's, because Canadians are Americans as well, as are Mexicans ect.
What would be the proper term for a citizens of the United States of America aside from "Americans" since Canadians are also Americans ?
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Quote from: Farmhand on March 21, 2014, 01:49:51 AM
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Some people say there is proof Michelle Obama is a man. What would that mean for most U.S.A.an's :) if it was true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAXqKugXkg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAXqKugXkg)
I say U.S.A.an's, because Canadians are Americans as well, as are Mexicans ect.
What would be the proper term for a citizens of the United States of America aside from "Americans" since Canadians are also Americans ?
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Shes a man baby, yeah. Austin Powers ;D Dunno about that.
But she does try to influence what we eat. Its ironic that she talks about her organic garden on TV shows, but meanwhile, as of 2yrs ago, at least 9 people in high positions at the FDA originally worked in high positions at our very own GMO corporation. The big M. ::) Hows that GMO labeling going you talked about in 2008 Mr O? >:( ;) Labeling isnt the answer, as it just allows GMO and natural/organic to coexist. Not good enough.
What of our great Bill Gates? Seems like a great guy. But now investing in vaccines, of which many many kids Africa are paralyzed or worse from (his investment) those vaccines. Maybe testing wasnt a priority. Even short term, let alone long term tests. Which is par for the course these days. Many many articles on vaccines. Mercury being a key ingredient in many. ::) Nice.
Gardasil. In Cali, first laws were passed that enabled schools to give these shots to girls 13 and up, without parental permission or even notification. Hmm. Texas also. Some other states may have done it also, the rest, doctor insisted. And in some cased if you refused to get the shots for your kids, health officials/cops come to your home. Look it up. lol, funny thing about that, has anyone seen the teen pregnancy rate stats in the last 2 years??? DOWN in ALL 50 states!!! ALL!!! DOWN!!! Was front page news twice in the last year. But our anticonspiracy folks here would not see any connections there, "Move along people, nothing to see here. Kids are just smarter these days with Common Core("How many 5 sticks are left when you remove 6 finger short stick cords?" ??? ) implementation and free contraception. And abortions are good! ;) There is talk of abortions being ok up to age 3. ??? :o LOOK IT UP. Im tired. ;) Its there. All of it.
USAmericans, CanAmaericans, MexAmericans. I believe that in most other countries, whether you say America or USA, it pretty much means the same thing. Even in the movies. ;D
Mags
Quote from: orbut 3000 on March 21, 2014, 12:36:17 AM
Is universal healthcare a bad idea?
Here is part of how ours is 'designed' to work... ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/20/medical-group-that-backed-obamacare-warns-obscure-rule-could-hurt-doctors/ ::)
Soon your doctor will be looking for another profession. ;)
Mags
" USAmericans, CanAmaericans, MexAmericans. I believe that in most other countries, whether you say America or USA, it pretty much means the same thing. Even in the movies. (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fgrin.gif&hash=48cd3b652a891d74b4b4ef746db528263b551e0c)
Mags "
And the most elusive of all designations; the fact that we are all globally segregated slaves...gradually realizing it.
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on March 21, 2014, 03:18:52 AM
Here is part of how ours is 'designed' to work... ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/20/medical-group-that-backed-obamacare-warns-obscure-rule-could-hurt-doctors/ ::)
Soon your doctor will be looking for another profession. ;)
Mags
What we have now is basically the Heritage Foundation blue print. If this doesn't work, then probably we need to go to single payer like the rest of the industrialized world. Then doctors will get paid to actually care for people, and GPs won't be driven out of business.
Well our Queensland government has offered the public health system "doctors" contracts to sign rather than salaries ect. to try to get control of them, but they are threatening to all resign come June 1st. More or less the doctors think they call the shots, but the waiting lists all blew out when the federal government pushed for people to get private cover, it drains the system because private cover payers get tax cuts and all the good doctors. Basically we have a two tier system and it sucks for everyone the private payers costs are skyrocketing and the only ones to benefit are the doctors. Call me whatever but I believe in Universal health care for all. And if the public health system doctors will not sign the contracts I say let them quit, and black ban them from Australian doctoring for life, if they want to quit then they can f off or work in another job, they've had it too good for too long they do f all.
If all the money was put into a Universal system then we could all have good health care and better emergency care for all. Off course anyone who wants a private doctor can do it but with no help from the taxpayers. All insurance is a scam for some of the payers, otherwise it would not work.
We have taxpayer subsidized child care and many other such things which is ridiculous, why should a man without children or a family that looks after their own kids have to pay for other people kids to be looked after ? Makes no sense, and is unfair. People with a full time job on lower wages qualify for social security payments to be able to afford things which is ridiculous. Due to inflation ect and the need for constant "growth" though debt.
By the looks of it the Canadian system is the system I agree with.
Video of Canadian doctor at congress in U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOf6hXGx6M
I think what I am is a democratic socialist, which is not communist by a long shot. I think all the nations resources belong to all of us and any profits from them should be shared by investing the revenue in infrastructure. And we should print our own money and tell the Central bankers to leave. I firmly believe we will rid ourselves of them sooner or later.
Then we will be able to enjoy the fruits of our labors, which would increase withe less taxes to make us lethargic and apathetic.
Cheers
The irony of it all is that a good proportion of our doctors are already from oversea's, a lot of the time it is difficult to communicate with the doctors because English is their second language. G.P.'s especially ! Madness, 10 minute visits and 5 minutes of it is asking them to "say again".
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Slay the cash Cow
In NYC there are entire 20 story housing projects filled with low income elderly persons who's sole purpose seems to be keeping local hospitals in business.
one recent audit showed 200 million dollars from the residents of ONE building which was billed thru the hospital to the Taxpayers in one year.
just for reference an MRI typically costs the US taxpayer 6-10 thousand dollars at one of these hospitals {MRI Bill only not ancillary costs]
I go and have an MRI done at a private facility" Cash 750.00"
this type of abuse is rampent from drug pricing to every imaginable procedure when it gets to "government Run" and paid for by the taxpayer.
Just one mans observation and opinion.
thx
Chet
Well why is the MRI more expensive when billed through the hospital than when done privately. These are the things that need to be looked at, our system is similarly abused by private doctors not treating people back to health but simply putting patients into a perpetual treatment situation where the causes are not treated only the symptoms. The reason for the higher costs billed to the taxpayer should audited and transparent. Why is it so ? How is the cost justified ? I can only speak for my own views on the system I am under, the doctors do not seem to want to do anything unless the person is critical or seriously ill or injured. There are many people in Australia who could work if they could get proper treatment for their medical issues, but due to the apathy or greed of the doctors they just keep the patient in a revolving door of GP visits and drug prescriptions. Hence the patient eventually becomes dependent on the taxpayer due to inaction by the private medical system itself. When the money runs out due to not being able to work the patient must still receive some kind of treatment. Private doctors see a huge profit from billing the taxpayer endlessly for more and more patients, it is so bad here that it takes about 7 to 10 days to even get to see a Private GP. They don't want to diagnose and treat the problem, they want to have as many cash cows as possible. We would not accept it from the mechanic fixing our car, eg. we take the car to the mechanic and he won't tell us what the reason for the knocking is but he offers to stop or lessen the knocking if we keep coming back every two weeks so he can perform a perpetual running repair.
How does a already disabled person on a pension get medical insurance ? How can they pay for any new health treatment they may require, or get private treatment for existing problems related to the disability ?
Are we expected to be insured from birth to death ? Insurance companies are notorious for not paying when they should anyway. And on top of that insurance companies go broke if too many people claim more than they pay.
Universal health care seems to work OK in Canada. The two tier system in Australia is broken, if you can still walk they consider you to be ok, its like here take some pills and come back when you are totally ruined, then we might do something, or go to a private doctor you cannot get insurance for or afford without it.
In a civilized country if a person needs medical treatment they should get it. However I do not agree with public treatment of simple weight issues and other personally treatable problems.
The total world debt is in the 100 trillion range I think, if the debt of all countries is added up there is not enough money to pay the debt, it does not exist. All will crumble sooner or later and no ones insurance will pay for squat anyway. Insurance companies are part of the problem.
eg. due to natural disasters in Queensland (floods) and the resulting insurance claims, the insurance premiums are now so high to insure a property against flood it is not affordable for most. So what happens when most who can't afford insurance and the homes they fill with consumer items get destroyed again. Life is a risk we ought to accept that and forget insurance.
Cheers
Farmhand
I get the feeling that taking better care of ourselves is going to be our only real defence against poor and elusive health care.
reducing our health risk Liability by taking Control of our own health is a very good alternative.
and the result is a better quality of life .
thx
Chet
PS
My friends In Canada don't seem all that happy with their health care.
Ramset, it occurs to me, I may have come across the wrong way, :-[ I agree about the costs issue. I have personal experience with the MRI Scan procedure as well as CT Scans ect. The MRI usually takes a lot longer and is inherently more "dangerous" if that is the right word. I haven't done it yet but i could do a rough estimate of the staff involved and guess the costs for their services. I bet it would agree with the lower actual cost.
For an MRI, here at least there are four people involved for the actual procedure and also there is the clerical staff as well ect., A Technician (operates the machine), a Radiologist (doctor), a Nurse to inject dyes ect., and an orderly or assistant, can take up to 30 minutes or more. With a CT scan it takes two people and 10 minutes, maybe 20.
Most of the costs, I think is the Technician, probably name their own price when they know the public is paying as well as maintenance, and burned up in hospital type costs.
Cheers
Quote from: ramset on March 21, 2014, 08:42:50 PM
Farmhand
I get the feeling that taking better care of ourselves is going to be our only real defence against poor and elusive health care.
reducing our health risk Liability by taking Control of our own health is a very good alternative.
and the result is a better quality of life .
thx
Chet
PS
My friends In Canada don't seem all that happy with their health care.
Well then maybe the Canadian system is a bit like Australia. Depends who you ask I guess, it is the idea of it if it is done efficiently that is attractive. It is good to be able to go to the hospital when we get ourselves injured and not worry about the bill. :) Emergency health care is fairly good.
I agree taking good care of our health and not ruining ourselves making money is important, health and safety adds to costs short term and to the employer but reduces costs later to the taxpayer in a universal system, meaning a system anyone can use. I wouldn't object to some cost but many would.
Take care
Cheers
Quote from: Farmhand on March 21, 2014, 10:34:08 AM
If all the money was put into a Universal system then we could all have good health care and better emergency care for all. Off course anyone who wants a private doctor can do it but with no help from the taxpayers. All insurance is a scam for some of the payers, otherwise it would not work.
Not quite. Consider each town, in each county and in each state, and put them all in a bowl(country).
In the towns, there are individual hospitals, individual doctors offices of all kinds. They all do their own things and sometimes work together. People get sick/any sort of injury, then they go to the hospital or doctor, hopefully get fixed, then pay the doctor, or the insurance pays the doctor.
Now say it all comes under control of the country, every detail. That 1 organization is in control of everything and everyone in the healthcare biz, making the rules, overseeing, getting paid(gov pay/tax paid), more buildings, computers, people, lawyers, electricity, transportation, communications, forms, books, pens, copy machines, furniture, etc. Then there is the big boss, and all the higher ups below him, and it branches out to the janitors. Then insurance for all of them that work this organization. The good stuff, not the bronze plan. ;) Then there is the criminal activities within the organization, all the way to the higher ups. Mismanagement, passing the buck, scandals, etc..
It adds soo much to hold 'up' just that portion of it all, and it all comes out of your pocket on top of what ins normally costs. Out of your pocket.
How much extra is it going to cost 'whom' to accomplish that???? Would it not be cheaper to just impose fair regulations in the healthcare/health ins industry, and not introduce a whole new mega corporation/branch of gov of which drains soo much money from the pool, that what is left to divvy out in patient cost will be rationed down to something that is not recognizable as we knew it all to be. People are already experiencing it just like Bill(pirate). Thanks for sharing Bill. ;)
The big shots wont want to give any of what they pull in, and in fact will want raises with million dollar bonuses while lil Jonny is possibly dying in the waiting room. And these bigshots, when they need to line their pockets further, they will look to pull it from the doctors pay, because they are just making way too much money than the average worker. Adding taxes to medical equipment does not make healthcare cheaper or better in any way. But its in the law. ::) ::) ;) I can go on and on.
But if all is separated, individual doctors offices, hospitals, insurance companies, then you have competition that should keep prices from getting way out of hand. The first thing is to allow buying ins across state lines. Step across some of those lines and pricing varies greatly eliminating competition from outside the lines. Thats a big one. Impose larger penalties for fraud, incompetence, etc. If your a doc and want to live the good life, then you best be a straight shooter and know your stuff. Im fine with that. People get fixed, live longer, suffer less. Good for him. Deserves it. But if he is living in poverty, maybe his job doesnt mean that much to care enough to do a high quality job. Healthcare is a serious thing. Put it this way. If you had a choice for a job, would you rather be a doctor as they are today, or the President of the USA, with all the responsibilities but paid at poverty level during your term? Which would you choose if those were the choices? ;)
Ugg, I gota get some dinner. :) Im thinking a big salad. :o Theres my healthcare plan. ;)
Mags
OK, let's see if I can explain the crux of the problem as I see it.
The main thing is ....healthcare is the only product/service whos costs are separated from the consumer. In the US, since the late 70's, everyone has free care at a state hospital. Since that law passed, now the ER's see folks coming in because they have a runny nose. If those folks had to pay each time, you could bet they would just eat some chicken soup or something. So, states have to raise taxes to pay for all of this free healthcare abuse.
Think of your car....you have insurance so if it is totaled, you get some money for another car. Your car insurance does NOT pay for brake jobs, putting gas into your tank, tune-ups, etc. It is supposed to be the same way with health insurance. We used to just have hospitalization policies in the US, which I used to have, and if you needed to go to a Dr. then you paid for it. If you need drugs, you paid for them. Now I hear folks bitching because their employer is making them pay a $5 co-pay when they see a Dr. So, naturally, they go to the Dr's all the time. If they had to pay the more realistic $100/visit, you can bet they would only go when they needed to.
So now the government takes it over, and we all know how efficient they are at everything right???? Competition is the backbone of America and it has brought us some of the greatest advances in healthcare technology in the world. But, as mentioned by Chet above, if you are not paying for the service, you don't care if it costs $3,000 for an MRI when $750 in cash would cover it. Someone else is making up the difference. Pretty soon, you run out of the "someone else" folks.
5 years ago, a buddy of mine was having to pay for child birth. He had lost his insurance and the quote that they gave him when he had insurance was $5.500! When his wife showed up at the delivery room and he told them he had to pay cash, it was....wait for it...$1,200.!!!!
Obama care is unconstitutional and it will destroy America, which is probably the asshole in chief's plan all along anyway.
Bill
Farmhand
I understand your point
the fix will be quite ugly and very unpopular ,this longer living lifestyle that we all have will not be sustainable with out some major adjustments.
Not going to get better anytime soon.
On another note I feel lead to share something with you regarding pain.[I know you have suffered]
I was struck by a drunk driver as a kid and suffered with pain all my life
unbelievable dabilitating pain.
about 15 years ago a very kind fellow brought a Back Dr to my attention .
the head surgeon at Colombia univercity In NYC.
Dr.Sarno
only thing was he no longer did surgeries do to something he had discovered.
he called it the "Mind Body connection".
it changed my life ,in some very surprising ways.
PLEASE read the book.
thx
Chet
Quote from: Pirate88179
Obama care is unconstitutional and it will destroy America, which is probably the asshole in chief's plan all along anyway.
When the Republic was still intact and the
Constitution was the law of the land it would
have been declared unconstitutional for sure.
Unfortunately, the original jurisdiction Republic
has been effectively replaced by Corporation U.S.
with its "U.S. Codes." The courts operate under
"other than Constitutional procedures."
So while Obamacare is technically unconstitutional
the present system of Corporate Government
cares not, nor do the Supremes who are themselves
Corporate Entities.
The trance-formation of the U.S. of A. was done in
accordance with loopholes in the Constitution which
were incorporated into the Constitution as it was
written. The Founding Fathers knew of the PLAN for
America and cleverly made it all possible.
Deception and Corruption are ages old.
The New Deal assumed control in 1939.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 21, 2014, 09:56:58 PM
When the Republic was still intact and the
Constitution was the law of the land it would
have been declared unconstitutional for sure.
Unfortunately, the original jurisdiction Republic
has been effectively replaced by Corporation U.S.
with its "U.S. Codes." The courts operate under
"other than Constitutional procedures."
So while Obamacare is technically unconstitutional
the present system of Corporate Government
cares not, nor do the Supremes who are themselves
Corporate Entities.
The trance-formation of the U.S. of A. was done in
accordance with loopholes in the Constitution which
were incorporated into the Constitution as it was
written. The Founding Fathers knew of the PLAN for
America and cleverly made it all possible.
Deception and Corruption are ages old.
I do not disagree but, it is worse than that. Justice Roberts fixed it so the law would be constitutional if it were a "TAX". And, under that line of thinking it was allowed. HOWEVER, the constitution clearly states that ALL tax laws must be initiated in the house of representitives and yet Obamacare originated in the senate. Therefore, even according to the supreme court, it is uncontstitutional. I think that Roberts was giving us an out which no one has taken. I think that, we the people are screwed if we do not stand up and tell them we have had enough.
Bill
I think we may have reached the stage where we need input from a 'thread doctor'.
Will check with associate Dr Lance Boylethruster to see if he will act as consultant.
Regards...
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2014, 09:17:57 PM
5 years ago, a buddy of mine was having to pay for child birth. He had lost his insurance and the quote that they gave him when he had insurance was $5.500! When his wife showed up at the delivery room and he told them he had to pay cash, it was....wait for it...$1,200.!!!!
Yes. Those are the types of regulations that need to be imposed. Fraud, gouging, etc. Someone is banking on those inflation's when they would probably be well off just doing it the right way. Greed.
My step dad has cancer and is given chemo pills to take at home. Ins pays $18,000 per 2 months for those frikkin 'PILLS'. Same thing as Bills example. Shams. The pill industry is not my cup of tea either. 10 possible new health problems just to 'hopefully' get rid of 1 problem. ::) All so backwards. And they tell us there could be other health problems from taking the pills to our faces, and guess what? Ok, Ill try it, the people say. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Pill Nation. You are shown a commercial of grandpa playing with the grand kids in the park, or a woman riding her bike in the sunset, all to sell a drug for some health issue, while the speed talker spits out multiple symptoms like....
"May cause rash and or itchiness, nose bleeds, headaches. You may experience anal seepage, possibility of paralysis or numbness. And if you experience vision loss, chest pains or your fingernails fall off, see your doctor right away." ::) Sounds like a fair risk to cure my acid reflux. ::) ;)
Yeah right. A glass of Bolthouse Farms carrot juice and mine is GONE within 1min. Literally 1min. And no bad symptoms other than maybe some orange on the toilet paper. ;D lol, I can live with that. lol I dont get reflux hardly at all anymore. Had it bad for about 2-3 months some years ago. Can feel like possibly a heart attack if youve never experienced it before. Its all about the pipes not flowing and backing up, and as you eat and drink more, the stomach acids are pushed up the esophagus.
But dont drink too much carrot juice(my favorite juice, and easy to keep reaching for ;D ). It can cause possible seepage. lol And some skin discoloration. If you experience any of these symptoms, contact your doctor right away and tell him your doin just fine. ;D
Mags
Mags:
I totally agree. I don't watch TV except on my lunch break at work....ads for a drug to cure a skin disorder warns that it may cause suicide, murderous intentions, heart attack, stroke, cancer of the liver and blindness. Give me the skin disorder please!!!
I wanted to edit my above post but I will ad it here instead. (I had to look it up)
The section of the constitution that speaks to raising revenue (taxes) is as follows: (Quoted in part)
Article 1, section 7: "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the house of representitives..."
Again, I remind you all that obamacare originated in the senate. The first and only tax bill since the founding of our country to do so.
So, what is the big deal? Could they not just do it over again? (This time beginning in the house) Sure, with what we know now, let's see if they have the votes to do so.
This is important stuff that we the people should not ignore.
Mags, carrot juice? Really? I will give that a try. Thanks.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2014, 10:48:24 PM
Mags, carrot juice? Really? I will give that a try. Thanks.
Bill
Yep. In the stores, there is Odwala and Bolthouse farms. I prefer Bolthouse, and there was a finding that Odwala was a Pepsi corp, so there were some doubts as to the purity of the Odwala brand by many health groups. I have to look it up as to any findings, it was a while ago pushing a boycott for certain reasons.
The Bolthouse is about $6 a bottle and has had a consistent taste for me. Odwala varied more often in flavor when I was trying both for a while.
Bolthouse is 52oz for $6 and is pressed and bottled and in the fridge for shipping. Non gmo, no preservatives, not pasteurized, live carrot juice. Perishable. 39.75 carrots to fill the bottle. So $6 isnt bad. I drink 2 bottles a week, no sodapop, no alcohol, just water, organic milk, real organic juices. Bolthouse has others, strawberry/banana, mango, green goodness, mango protein, berry something, all very good. But my main juice is carrot. There was an article of a woman with stage 4 cancer and she got out of it with guess what? ;) Ill see if I can find that article. Celery juice is a monster also. Repairs digestive system, and a multitude of benefits I never realized. I juiced it up myself. Mixed with the orange stuff ;D , wasnt bad. Celery is strong tasting in juice form. 3 hard cleanings to get my blender to not reek of it. lol I do a couple times a week. Celery is cheap.
But yeah, if you have heartburn/acid reflux, give it a go. Ive been sold for a while now. I found its ability on my own. It sold it to myself. lol And Im selling it to you for free. ;D Try it. ;) lol, the taste and consistency going down kinda has the feeling of strawberry quick. Sweet. Surprisingly good
I had bought a bottle of organic carrot juice in the non refrigerated juice isle, Lake something, pasteurized, and says with lemon juice. DO NOT BUY THAT JUICE! You will not care for it at all. Blaaah. tasted more either very chemicalish or gone bad in some way. Always do live juice if possible.
A lot of orange juices sit in large containers for up to a year before bottling. By then the taste and color is way off and additives are put in to 'rejuvenate' those 'qualities'. Many articles on that were front page news a couple years ago. Best to make your own OJ unless some local quality brand is available.
I do less meats these days. Couple times a week. Loosens up more money for organics. More eggs, n fish. A grass fed chuckeye steak here n there. Good price for a good piece of meat.
Been doing bananas. Catch Freelee the banana girl on YT. Seen her in the OU home page vids a while back. Her book, "Go Fruit Yourself". She does 10 bananas a day. Did 1 vid of 51 in a day, just to prove they wont hurt you. Fat buster also. Im up to 4 a day. Dont want to jump into anything to fast. Organic bananas 99c a lb 69c for regular. Ill invest an extra 30c a bundle for my health. basically no pesticides, naturally grown, fertilized, etc.
Mags
Quote from: Pirate88179
The section of the constitution that speaks to raising revenue (taxes) is as follows: (Quoted in part)
Article 1, section 7: "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the house of representitives..."
Again, I remind you all that obamacare originated in the senate. The first and only tax bill since the founding of our country to do so.
So, what is the big deal? Could they not just do it over again? (This time beginning in the house) Sure, with what we know now, let's see if they have the votes to do so.
This is important stuff that we the people should not ignore.
Speaking of Constitutions, we do have the Original Constitution
which established the Republic; and from it has been derived the
Constitution which applies to the Corporation. The two Constitutions
are similar but the Corporation Constitution contains Amendments
which the Original Constitution does not have. How else could the
Corporation obtain a president who is not constitutionally qualified
in accordance with the Original Constitution?
The ratification procedure for the Corporation goes only as far as the
State Delegations (Representatives and Senators) who are elected to
serve in Congress. Today, Constitutional Amendments to the Corporate
Constitution need only be approved by Congress since all of the State
Governments have been (since the '70s) re-organized as sub-corporations
of Corporation U.S. The states have been "federalized." This will become
ever more obvious in the coming months and years.
Perhaps the Supremes determined that Obamacare is a "tax" because it
delegates collection to the Internal Revenue Service. In any case they did
resort to some deceptive footwork to solidify the illusion that it is
"constitutional."
As you said earlier, its probable purpose is to further the policy of destruction
of the United States of America to facilitate the establishment of the New
Order which is several years or decades behind schedule. Obama is not alone
in working within the U.S. Government to bring this AGENDA to fruition.
The People seem to have no interest or ability to initiate any change.
Seamonkey
Quote
"" The two Constitutions""
-------------------------------
Sir,
I was a poor student of Acedamia ,seems I preferred to turn wrenches instead of pages.
What Page was the second constitution on??
thx
Chet
If only the devious works of government were
so "transparent." For the past several administrations
the government definition of "transparent" is truly
"opaque."
And so it has been throughout the history of the
United States; to discern the distinctions between
the Original U.S. Constitution and the present
derivative U.S. Corporation Constitution requires a
careful study of the unrevealed (hidden) history of
all that has transpired. It is hidden in the archives
and conveniently "forgotten" by the historians of
today.
But the trance-formation which has occurred is
obvious when one examines recent Amendments
which have modified legislative procedures in the
original constitution thereby changing the nature of
the U.S. Government.
A bit of research on the web will expose the truth
which is verifiable in the record. The actions of
today's politicians and jurists who eschew the
Constitution and its limitations is another "in your
face" clue.
The illusion is breaking down in preparation for the
New Order which is imminent.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 22, 2014, 03:34:23 PM
If only the devious works of government were
so "transparent." For the past several administrations
the government definition of "transparent" is truly
"opaque."
And so it has been throughout the history of the
United States; to discern the distinctions between
the Original U.S. Constitution and the present
derivative U.S. Corporation Constitution requires a
careful study of the unrevealed (hidden) history of
all that has transpired. It is hidden in the archives
and conveniently "forgotten" by the historians of
today.
But the trance-formation which has occurred is
obvious when one examines recent Amendments
which have modified legislative procedures in the
original constitution thereby changing the nature of
the U.S. Government.
A bit of research on the web will expose the truth
which is verifiable in the record. The actions of
today's politicians and jurists who eschew the
Constitution and its limitations is another "in your
face" clue.
The illusion is breaking down in preparation for the
New Order which is imminent.
Rand Paul 2016 would be a good start. ;)
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 22, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
Rand Paul 2016 would be a good start. ;)
Mags
I agree 100%! He is the only politician in my lifetime that when we sent him to Washington, he is actually trying to do what he said he would do. He has very little power but, just because he might not prevail does not stop him from trying. I watched him on cspan holding hearings where no one showed up. So what? At least he tried.
As an aside, he is from my town here and, the security company I work for patrols his neighborhood. I used to run patrol but now I am posted at another site. He is a great guy and very approachable.
Bill
Rand Paul for Prez and Ted Cruise for VP. Soon, the media will be marching out women that will swear they slept with them....just like they did to Cain.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
I agree 100%! He is the only politician in my lifetime that when we sent him to Washington, he is actually trying to do what he said he would do. He has very little power but, just because he might not prevail does not stop him from trying. I watched him on cspan holding hearings where no one showed up. So what? At least he tried.
As an aside, he is from my town here and, the security company I work for patrols his neighborhood. I used to run patrol but now I am posted at another site. He is a great guy and very approachable.
Bill
Rand Paul for Prez and Ted Cruise for VP. Soon, the media will be marching out women that will swear they slept with them....just like they did to Cain.
I was all for his dad Ron. It seemed everything was against him. Even at the debates, 1 of them I think he got a total of 90 seconds to speak. Ron was maybe 'too' outspoken. Where Rand doesnt appear so extreme. Rand will have a better chance than his dad. But I hope he is as extreme as his dad when it comes down to it in the end. ;) The upcoming midterms will be interesting also. ;)
I like Ted also, but Paul won the straw poll and Im saticfied with that so far.
Mags
Here's the problem with politics in as far as I can tell all of our western countries, not just the U.S.. The problem is the two major party system. How would it be possible for anyone for any person who is not a member of one of the two main parties to be the president/prime minister or whatever ? Can an independent form government and become the president ? And even if they could and wanted to do the right thing how could we protect them from the coercion or threats from the big money people trying to control them ?
I think an independent citizen committee should be elected/formed in each local area/county or whatever as a counter government and this citizen committee should be able to say no to anything the Feds propose, as in "no that is unacceptable you cannot do it, rethink that". The for and against votes would be free of state grouping, meaning each local area's vote counts. The individual states laws ect. would not be affected by this citizen committee. ie. Rather than needing a referendum on any particular propositions "big cost" each local area can have a say, reducing the number of votes to thousands rather than millions, it could act as a circuit breaker between the people and the Feds. Hopefully allowing the States more self determining powers.
Cheers
Quote from: Farmhand on March 22, 2014, 06:45:32 PM
Here's the problem with politics in as far as I can tell all of our western countries, not just the U.S.. The problem is the two major party system. How would it be possible for anyone for any person who is not a member of one of the two main parties to be the president/prime minister or whatever ? Can an independent form government and become the president ? And even if they could and wanted to do the right thing how could we protect them from the coercion or threats from the big money people trying to control them ?
I think an independent citizen committee should be elected/formed in each local area/county or whatever as a counter government and this citizen committee should be able to say no to anything the Feds propose, as in "no that is unacceptable you cannot do it, rethink that". The for and against votes would be free of state grouping, meaning each local area's vote counts. The individual states laws ect. would not be affected by this citizen committee. ie. Rather than needing a referendum on any particular propositions "big cost" each local area can have a say, reducing the number of votes to thousands rather than millions, it could act as a circuit breaker between the people and the Feds. Hopefully allowing the States more self determining powers.
Cheers
Farmhand:
It is almost funny. What you describe is what the constitution says should happen. The states have the power to govern their own people the way they see fit. In other words, CA can have a law that NY does not have, etc. It is all about states rights. It has only been lately, in my lifetime, that the feds are attempting to control everything.
The founding fathers knew that the best folks to make laws were the folks at the local level. They tried to limit the power of the federal government which has been usurped over the years and, thanks to Obama, has been run over like a rabbit on the highway.
Bill
The founding fathers were smart enough to let the people decide if the constitution needs to be altered in some way or another. It was by design a work in progress, not the holy scripture, not the final word. But changing it is a difficult and lengthy process, at least until you have voted in total jackasses who legalize torture and piss on basic human rights.
Like Dick Cheney,G W Bush and Ron Paul and the like: Stupid and/or manipulative politicians with simple answers for simple-minded people.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
Farmhand:
It is almost funny. What you describe is what the constitution says should happen. The states have the power to govern their own people the way they see fit. In other words, CA can have a law that NY does not have, etc. It is all about states rights. It has only been lately, in my lifetime, that the feds are attempting to control everything.
The founding fathers knew that the best folks to make laws were the folks at the local level. They tried to limit the power of the federal government which has been usurped over the years and, thanks to Obama, has been run over like a rabbit on the highway.
Bill
http://intellihub.com/middle-school-assignment-second-amendment-requires-gun-registration/
http://intellihub.com/idaho-gov-signs-emergency-legislation-nullify-federal-gun-laws/
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 22, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
http://intellihub.com/middle-school-assignment-second-amendment-requires-gun-registration/ (http://intellihub.com/middle-school-assignment-second-amendment-requires-gun-registration/)
http://intellihub.com/idaho-gov-signs-emergency-legislation-nullify-federal-gun-laws/ (http://intellihub.com/idaho-gov-signs-emergency-legislation-nullify-federal-gun-laws/)
Mags
Mags:
The Idaho story was great but, the middle school story really scares me. "They" have taken over the education of our kids and they will now grow up thinking that only the government can have guns. This is really sad.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179
In other words, CA can have a law that NY does not have, etc.
Pirate has provided another clue.
The
two capital letter state abbreviations which are used
in all legal documentation (in addition to postal addresses)
are another example of legislative deception.
CA and NY are the legal abbreviations for the federal
(THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA and THE STATE OF NEW YORK.)
corporations which have usurped the original state governments.
Calif. and N.Y., the abbreviations of the Republic States, have
been replaced by Federal Abbreviations so that all who make
use of them effectively admit that they are U.S. Residents of
the District of Columbia. It was all done in plain sight but made
to appear as if it was just an innocent enhancement of the
postal zone states as a convenience to all postal customers.
Republic State Citizens no longer know who they are or that
they even exist...
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
Mags:
The Idaho story was great but, the middle school story really scares me. "They" have taken over the education of our kids and they will now grow up thinking that only the government can have guns. This is really sad.
Bill
http://www.naturalnews.com/044338_Common_Core_math_education_Americas_children.html
Mags
What we are up against is a criminally insane social movement, long laid out by a global gang of psychopathic inbreds...to cull enslave and do who knows what to the rest of the population.
We are right now, actually involved in an undeclared and unrealized war with this lot...and the stakes have never been higher at this time.
But we have been conditioned to acknowledge that fact, but then become easily distracted by the next moving object.
What time's Matlock on ?
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on March 23, 2014, 12:22:58 AM
What we are up against is a criminally insane social movement, long laid out by a global gang of psychopathic inbreds...to cull enslave and do who knows what to the rest of the population.
We are right now, actually involved in an undeclared and unrealized war with this lot...and the stakes have never been higher at this time.
But we have been conditioned to acknowledge that fact, but then become easily distracted by the next moving object.
What time's Matlock on ?
Regards...
Oh the irony...
I get by with ironic eyes.
Regards...