Here's another video of the same kind of device I just described and explained on the COP 20.00 (2000%) Reactive Power Energy Source Generator thread: They're reporting a COP 10 or 1000%. Another example of re-phased Reactive Power "System Gain".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLO6FJVqlxatdprKQA1BhrJCML2tbomVJ2&v=-QyCwKOKcCg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLO6FJVqlxatdprKQA1BhrJCML2tbomVJ2&v=-QyCwKOKcCg)
Synchro, You said in the other thread I act like a savant, it seems to me you are the one acting like a savant or a psychic, you seem to be able to see through metal boxes and know there are no batteries or hidden power feed wires, and you also seem to be able to see through power meters and check all the wiring and settings in them. This guy has been showing this for some time now and nothing has happened, surely people would have looked into it and found that there is a measurement/instrument error or deception.
The only other explanation is that he won't share and wants money, in that case the MIB should have offed him by now. It just makes no sense.
I certainly do not believe peoples claims OU when there is no reason to do so and it cannot help me even if it were true because he won't share.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
My hope would be that the operating principal would be shared.
What is the operating principal that allows it to work ? If you cannot explain that then you have no idea if it is real or fake or mistake.
Get real. How does it work ? How do you know it is legit if you cannot explain exactly how it works and the principal of operation that allows for more "Energy" output than "energy" input ?
Please explain, it seems you must already know how it works and should be able to provide us with a working schematic.
This is old.
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The guy's name is Stepanov. He is the patent(s) holder for this technology.
If I am not mistaken, he now works for Steho AG - an offshore (Luxemburg) outlet for some other Russians (Akula0083 etc.)
Reardless of what you might think, this technology is for real and 100% correct. Just google for his patents.
~A
OK then if he has broken the laws of thermodynamics then he should be world famous and there should be talk about it every day. None of us should be concerned with anything else as this would be exactly what everyone wants, if there is a patent then it should give all the details needed for an second party to produce a unit. If it is legit and outputs more "Energy" than is input then why is there not a concerted effort to build one and work towards getting off the grid.
Oh wait it need the grid or it won't work I guess. Would be typical.
I'll look for the patent.
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If he was not connected to the grid he would need an awesome generator to handle all that reactive power. Generators use fuel and require maintenance.
Someone want to explain how he could show this without the grid ?
P.S.
I can't find any patent about it by google search.
Is it a granted patent or a patent application ?
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@Farmhand,
There's nothing sacrosanct about the "Second Law of Thermodynamics". Nuclear fission is the most obvious and primary example of a violation of the law, followed by a host of others that involve quanta mechanics. The Tesla series bifilar coil has been proven to generate additional power from the Lorentz force. There's plenty of test math around to prove it, but that's been denied by you and your Newcastle coal miner work force, like Milehigher.
I didn't say there was anything sacrosanct about the second law of thermodynamics, I said if he has broken it then he should be world famous.
Now get this, I request that you desist with the insinuations of collusion and that I and others are part of some workforce. If you cannot address the questions then just don't.
But if you continue with the snide remarks the threads you enter will become nothing but a big pile of abuse.
Here's an example. You and many of your cohorts are actively making a mockery of the search for alternative free energies, in my opinion you are likely paid by the fakers to promote fakery and deception as well as confuse people.
There are two ways to discuss these thing 1) With insults and innuendo. and 2) without. I think we should keep the insults and innuendo between posters out of it and stick to the facts and the evidence. Your personal opinion on me and others is irrelevant to the topic. GO back to the MIB and request a pay cut, you deserve it.
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If I can get to look at a granted patent I may be inclined to think there could be something to it. Patent applications that are old and not followed up by a granted patent mean little to nothing. Even with a granted patent then a third party evaluation is necessary with such a complicated system.
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Here are schematics for two patents from Stepanov Arkady Anatolievich: One a D.C. charger and the other a rectifier:
Synchro, your upload makes this page unreadable. Go and edit it.
QuoteNuclear fission is the most obvious and primary example of a violation of the law.
Hey Einstein! You had better hit the books before your physics exam!
Synchro the images are too big, I only have a 22 inch screen at 1680 x 1050 :) I made them smaller so they can be seen all at once.
The first one looks like two transformers in series with the outputs rectified and also put in series to supply the load.
The second one looks like an inverter powered by a battery feeding a transformer in series with a FWBR, the FWBR supplies the load and
the transformer output is also rectified and is pulsed back to the battery.
Doesn't look too intriguing to me.
It might be worth noting that the capacitors 13 and 12 are across the load in the first drawing and if lamps then it's partly inductive.
In the second drawing the capacitor 10 is across the load.
Also the first drawing shows a diode/rectifier on one leg of the input.
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@Farmhand,
Thanks for reducing the size of those schematics; I tried and failed. I'm just guessing it's the same guy because the patents are in the project area.
What I would like to know, assuming there are no hidden batteries, is how it might be possible to re-phase Reactive Power to real power? The Russian video cameo's a small box as the restorative device. Does anyone know of a unit that is purchasable that can perform that job? I watch testers separate and rejoin the Reactive Power current and voltage to real power with signal generators. It looks like the energetic forum video device is using twin signal generators.
Running A.C. in and out of capacitors delays and shifts the phase angle, maybe joining and switching them in pairs can re-couple the voltage and current to create real power again. What do you think?
Quote from mikrovolt from Energetic Forum:
"What I think is that they are capturing the extra energy that is carried by the current by controlling when to switch, storing this in the capacitors. They developed a phase and wattage algorithm that returns a value that allows the switching to mimic an ideal transformer reactance, also more than power factor correction because the extra energy is made available and the wave form on the oscilloscope shows the product".
These details should help.
von Anatol Evich Arkadij Stepanov
Russian number:
RU241833
EPO number:
EP2429071
and
http://www.borderlands.de/Links/LV-STEHO.pdf
Here's a PDF:
Here's the secret to the phase shift:
"Operation of the electronic transistor switches is synchronized such that each time when either of them is open, the other is always closed. The electronic transistor switches are commutated alternately at a specified frequency".
Feeding Reactive Power into this circuit should work backwards.
(0009)
Direct current source 1 supplies direct voltage to inverter 2, alternating voltage being supplied from the output thereof to the input of the bridge rectifier 5, to be rectified and filtered by capacitor 7. Operation of the electronic transistor switches is synchronized such that each time when either of them is open, the other is always closed. The electronic transistor switches are commutated alternately at a specified frequency. Electronic transistor switch 8 opens for a short time causing a direct current pulse to flow between bridge rectifier 5 with capacitor 7 and load 11 with capacitor 10. Current flows for a short time during the pulse period in the output circuit of inverter 2, via the primary winding of matching transformer 3. Magnetic flux
generated by this current induces an electromagnetic force in the secondary winding of the matching transformer, said electromagnetic force being rectified by rectifier 4 and charging capacitor 6. Next, electronic transistor 8 closes and switch 9 opens for capacitor 6 to be discharged via switch 9 and diode 12 to direct current source 1 to recharge the same.
(0010)
The current waveform given in figure 2 shows the phase shift of current pulses in the power circuits of the electronic transistor switches.
Wrong patents. Look further.
Now for the most educated, look what I found on the Web: a SGS TUV certificate.
No mention of the second law of thermodynamics there, but a good read nevertheless. They do mention 9.4 times power increase though...
~A
@Avalon,
Thanks! It's very refreshing to get some fine help for a change instead of ten tons of horseshit static:
Quote from: synchro1 on May 10, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
@Avalon,
Thanks! It's very refreshing to get some fine help for a change instead of ten tons of horseshit static:
The other thread keeps locking up with bad scripts or something
Anyway I'm not here to argue for ever over things that cannot be proved. I've already given my opinion. I only see pieces of documents.
What would you guys have me say ? Something like = OK then it's real I believe it, he can produce more energy out than in.
Thing is, what good does it do anyone unless it can be replicated.
Avalon, when was I previously looking at the wrong patent ? You write it like I do it all the time. I looked at the patent that was linked by number.
If I'm looking at the wrong patent and you want me to look at the right patent then post a link. I'll be glad to look at it. I'm not the one claiming someone else's stuff is OU so I ain't looking for it.
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Where exactly does the snapshot below come from, it doesn't make much sense to me.
It says there is 400 Watts real power consumed at the input with 17.5 kVA and 9.8 kVAR. so if we subtract the real power 0.4 kW and the reactive power 9.8 kVAR from the applied power 17.5 kVA we get 7.3 kVAR missing. If that reactive power does not go back to the supply it gets paid for.
At the output it says 4.7 kW real power and 4.7 kW total power. so the output is 4.7 kW and the applied input power is 17.5 kVA and the reactive power is 9.8 kVAR with 400 Watts consumed, then where is the rest of the applied power ? 7.3 kVAR of it ?
Basically the reactive power back to the supply should almost equal the (applied power minus the output power).
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@Farmhand,
Here's the PDF once again posted by member avalon in his post number 119 from above. Wake up man!
Quote from: avalon on May 10, 2014, 12:18:59 PM
Wrong patents. Look further.
Now for the most educated, look what I found on the Web: a SGS TUV certificate.
No mention of the second law of thermodynamics there, but a good read nevertheless. They do mention 9.4 times power increase though...
~A
@Farmhand,
Here's the quote from member avalon with the hyper-link you're inquiring about. We have to wonder if you're paying enough attention or not?
Forum is having issues. Can't quote Paul-R but this is a rough Google translation of the document he posted in German (LV-STEHO.pdf) attached.
@e2matrix,
Thanks for the PDF! Offers Incredible insights into the theoretical foundation of the power origins.
The forum has issues and I don't have time for slow forums (pages taking minutes to load and some don't load at all) nor do I have time for unending argument. The document LV-STEHO-EN is not a patent and it means little to me. It proves nothing, nor does the report in my opinion.
Now I refuse to interact with disrespectful people, so I will just say that I will continue not to believe it and you and whoever else can continue to believe it. If you post things that are not definitively proved and you yourself have no proof, then you only have an opinion or belief.
If the TUV report is independent it is limited in it's scope as it states.
Anyone who wants to believe can, also anyone who is inclined to need some reputable proof is entitled to do so.
The report indicates 17.5 kVA applied and 9.8 kVAR reactive power that leaves 7.7 kVA missing or consumed but the report says the consumed real power is 0.4 kW. The report seems incomplete to me, but I don't really care, because without the grid to provide the 17.5 kVAR to begin with he has nothing.
I bet if he was running the generator to provide the 17.5 kVAR it would not look so good to him.
This looks like a case of selective measurement.
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@Farmhand,
Quote from Farmhand:
"I bet if he was running the generator to provide the 17.5 kVAR it would not look so good to him".
Naturally the VAR costs money to generate unless it's "System Gain"! Don't forget, system gain only takes place on the Reactive Side of the coupled signal. There's no gain in real power. Excess in line generated Reactive Power is currently wasted as an unwanted by product of the grid. Converting it could cut are utility bills substantially.
We have to factor the cost of mining uranium into the overall COP of Nuclear Fusion, it's stiil 7 times overunity.
Quote from: synchro1 on May 12, 2014, 07:06:20 PM
@Farmhand,
Quote from Farmhand:
"I bet if he was running the generator to provide the 17.5 kVAR it would not look so good to him".
Naturally the VAR costs money to generate unless it's "System Gain"! Don't forget, system gain only takes place on the Reactive Side of the coupled signal. There's no gain in real power. Excess in line generated Reactive Power is currently wasted as an unwanted by product of the grid. Converting it could cut are utility bills substantially.
We have to factor the cost of mining uranium into the overall COP of Nuclear Fusion, it's stiil 7 times overunity.
"System gain", as used in the reference you originally cited, only refers to the amount of current phase lead inherent to the utility's distribution system. There is no magical power increase coming from somewhere...
That transformer certification document is hardly worth commenting on.
It looks like the L1-N loads are being balanced by the other phases to make the L1-N power _appear_ to read near zero. Note that no measurements were given between phases (L1-L2, L2-L3, L1-L3) and it seems odd that a certification group would not want to make those measurements. Also, one would think that a certification group would be more specific about how measurements were made. For example, regarding Meter 3, which current probe, the one on L1 or N, was used to calculate L1-N power? If Meter 3 was measuring voltage across L1-N and using the current probe on L1 to calculate the L1-N power, Meter 3 would indicate the same L1-N power as Meter 1 (4.7kW). Instead, it looks like they are measuring the L1-N voltage and using the current probe on N to calculate the L1-N power with Meter 3. If L2 is out of phase with L1, and with the 5kW drawn between L2-N, the neutral current would be very low. The load is directly across L1-N and only the neutral is shared with the transformer. With the transformer completely disconnected, the load is still powered.
There is also a typo or error on the measurements page which has Meter 2 measuring L1-N, to which Meter 2 is not connected (it is connected to the"stabilization phase" only...).
In the past, I have always had to at least initial and date any pages attached to certified documents...
PW
What is reactive power
Reactive power is simply power that was applied to the load but was not consumed and is therefore released and returns to the supply. eg, motor magnetizing current/power.
Reactive power can be kept local to the device (or residence/business) by using power factor correcting equipment, this converts the reactive power to real power and eliminates the line losses back to the supply and reduces the supply current to only the current associated with real power, which improves efficiency by reducing losses.
However for the residential consumer it's not so important as we only pay for the consumed power, in some places there may be a "charge" for very bad power factors, but I am not aware of this in residential situations, only businesses, and power factor can be corrected at the reactive device or appliance or the entire residence or business can be power factor corrected at or near the fuse box.
Applied power minus consumed power and losses equals reactive power, no more no less, basically.
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Reactive power is bemf
Its the collapsing magnetic field of the primary, every coil has self inductance
The primary is also being induced by the secondary
Now put a capacitor across the primary and you can see how it alleviates the reactive power.
Although it consumes power.
Something to ponder :)
Something that has me stumped if the diagram is correct where does the current come in.
This is perplexing, I will continue to study, everything is subject to change until we have a logical working model.
The model does not seem to be correct,
If we look a full wave bridge we can see there is a pos and neg pulse hitting both sides of the secondary and if we look at the model it doesnt fit. :-\
Im not looking at the pulse right, if we look at the full wave bridge there is a pos and neg hitting both sides of the primary. The same would be true for the mains coming into our homes, its coming from a transformer.
I think the current portion of the wave is coming into view
Rainy day
Ya know the grid cycles at 120 hz but we get only 60 hz in our homes....................why
Quote from: Dave45 on May 13, 2014, 10:11:04 AM
Ya know the grid cycles at 120 hz but we get only 60 hz in our homes....................why
If current cycles at 60hz and the voltage cycled at 60hz=========120hz
Wrong terminology
If neg cycles at 60hz and pos cycled at 60hz==========120hz
Why is the current and voltage 90 degrees out of phase
We are hitting the primary at 180 degrees, one side then the other.
Four pulses two pos and two neg alternately broken down - 1/4 phase - 90 degrees
:-\
Quote from: Dave45 on May 13, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
If current cycles at 60hz and the voltage cycled at 60hz=========120hz
Wrong terminology
If neg cycles at 60hz and pos cycled at 60hz==========120hz
I think you are confusing voltage and current cycles with the power half cycles. The mains voltage is a sine wave at 60Hz. Each half of that cycle the magnitude of the voltage and the magnitude of the current and the magnitude of the power all go from zero to maximum and back to zero. If the load is purely resistive they all do that in unison.
Quote from: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 11:25:28 AM
I think you are confusing voltage and current cycles with the power half cycles. The mains voltage is a sine wave at 60Hz. Each half of that cycle the magnitude of the voltage and the magnitude of the current and the magnitude of the power all go from zero to maximum and back to zero. If the load is purely resistive they all do that in unison.
Easily said but put it into a descriptive drawing, I could talk about it all day but to put it into a mechanical format is a little harder.
That being said I do appreciate the feedback.
dave