This interview sees Rossi discuss the new report, 1meg reactor and Industrial heat
http://revolution-green.com/andrea-rossi-interview/
Kind Regards
Mark
Quote from: markdansie on October 15, 2014, 07:11:11 AM
This interview sees Rossi discuss the new report, 1meg reactor and Industrial heat
http://revolution-green.com/andrea-rossi-interview/ (http://revolution-green.com/andrea-rossi-interview/)
Kind Regards
Mark
Thanks for posting that on R-G. I have a response, which I can go into point by point, but the gist is that Rossi blatantly lies with every statement, except those in which he simply refuses to answer.
He says that the report was made by a third, independent party. This is a blatant lie. The report, just like the 2013 report, was made by Levi, Rossi's old buddy who has been around the whole time, and Rossi himself loaded and unloaded the reactor and started it up, as well as riding herd on the project the whole time, preventing proper calibrations and measurements from being taken and/or reported in the report.
Rossi says that the report was in the hands of the professors. See the above.
Rossi says the target was not to convince anybody. This is a lie, the whole experiment was performed as a vetting process for Industrial Heat. The entire purpose of the "experiment" which was really no such thing, was to convince.
Rossi refuses to put a theoretical context on the "experiment". However he did not fail to do so in his patent applications, which claim the process _runs_ on Ni62, not _produces it as ash_ as in the present set of claims.
Rossi says he is working with a team to develop the theoretical idea. Or at least he answers "yes" to the question. Who is this "team"? Levi et al.? OK, give that one point to Rossi. I wasn't aware that Levi was a nuclear chemist, though.
The next statement by Rossi is such an obvious dodge and prevarication that it belongs in a PESN interview.
Then another refusal to answer about the alumina housing.
Then.... the amazing admission that the 1MW "plants" do not work!! But even within that bit of truth, Rossi manages to lie. Can you imagine not using a free energy plant because you don't have enough load to put on it? This is another incredibly laughable excuse emitted by Rossi. What, didn't they have enough extension cords to plug in their space heaters, air conditioners, overhead lighting, in that famous factory? Or couldn't they use some of the maze of valves and modules inside the Blue Container to simply not use some of the parallel modules, to reduce the "1MW" output down to something more manageable? This bit is so funny, it's like watching him shoot himself in the foot with a speargun, nailing himself to the floor. That takes up two "answers" from Rossi.
Next we have the reference to the alleged "team" with every speciality. But we prefer not to answer in detail about how many they are, etc etc. A dodge.
Next he contradicts what he said before, claiming again that there is an operating plant with an industrial customer working today. But of course.... showing _that_ plant in operation, making 1 MW output, is not nearly as interesting or desirable as doing this present "experiment" as a proof of concept for Industrial Heat. Rossi disrespects his audience by telling porkies that even an eight-year-old can see through.
Blah blah blah, Rossi's invention is as great as the computer, blah blah goodbye. Not a single substantive question and answer in the whole thing, except the admission that the 1MW plants don't work.
There are many many clues in the Lugano report that indicate that the apparatus did not attain the high temperatures reported for it. There are also several clues that indicate that the input power measurements were understated. Furthermore, it is known that Rossi purchased a commercial sample of Ni-62 before the experiment, and it is known that Rossi himself both loaded and sealed the device, and unloaded it and collected the sample for analysis after the experiment.
@tinselkoala,were you present at the third party report laboratory premises
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
@tinselkoala,were you present at the third party report laboratory premises
Profitis what third party are you talking about? Much of TinselKoala's comments address the fact that the representations of third party independence are false.
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
@tinselkoala,were you present at the third party report laboratory premises
No, were you?
I can, however, read and I do remember, and I have a _large_ Rossi database. Let me check... OK, it's about 600 MB of data concerning Rossi and his claims.
Would you like to talk about any specific issues or claims of Rossi, or do you just want to ask silly questions that you already know the answers to?
ETA: Oh, how silly of me, I asked you a question that I already know the answer to.
So you were not present then.this gives us a massive boost in confidance in your above statements then thanx mwa x
@mark E you will have to consult the company giant called elforsk to get more nearer to an confirmation on the existence of a third party success tests
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2014, 08:35:46 PM
@mark E you will have to consult the company giant called elforsk to get more nearer to an confirmation on the existence of a third party
Profitis kindly read the reports. Elforsk was no more in control of those experiments than you were.
@mark E your suggesting that this company giant is about to inject millions dollars into bogus research by gullibility?
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
@mark E your suggesting that this company giant is about to inject millions dollars into bogus research by gullibility?
Profitis I don't know what they will ultimately do. However, if they do give Rossi money, then they will join the likes of other big companies that have pumped money into frauds. Intel, Gateway computer and others funded a complete fraud called Madison Priest who said that he had been visited by a space alien who taught him how to make super fast internet. Zenn motors, Kleiner Perkins Caufield Beyers, and Lockheed Martin all hooked up with EESTOR. It turns out that the founder's magic capacitors work like bad wires.
Profitis
we have the good fortune to have some of the worlds most learned and savvy
business men here ,save for just pot luck these multi billion dollar companies would
surely starve if left to their own devices .
bunch of hapless, clueless putz's in desperate need of the advice being offered here.
they are woefully ignorant and in need of rescue from that sneaky evil Ne're do well Rossi.
Yeeesh......
Lol ramset. According to mark E's logic some random stranger with a tube fullo nickel powder duped many multi-billion dollar corps's own pocket-scientists into submission,not once,not twice,but multiple times
@mark E so you think if I were to knock at random corporate doors with my karpen pilum that I would,contrary to your earlier statements,get a job then due to the sheer luck that one of their pocket scientists will be an idiot?
I think its good to have Boundaries ,anonymity affords some men the luxury to step into places that
they would never dare in person.
such men can right checks with their mouth that their tookus could never cover.
It is one thing to con/buy a public servant or hapless government in " La La land" ,quite another to do this in the private sector .
But maybe Rossi is just that good ??
Or should I say Evil......
Lucky ??
Is he good at finding Dopey Hapless Billionaires ?
that's a different kind of Miracle .
Naaahh
Lol ramset.mark E gives a new meaning to anna-nicole-smithy-labs
Quote from: profitis on October 15, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
So you were not present then.this gives us a massive boost in confidance in your above statements then thanx mwa x
So that would be a "NO" then. You don't want to discuss any substantive issues, probably because you don't know what they are and don't have the technical ability to discuss them. You are really good at trying to divert the topic, as we all have seen many many times.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME OR WHAT I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN DURING ROSSI'S DEMONSTRATIONS.
But then you know that already.
I wasn't present when my daddy porked my mommy either but I'm pretty sure it happened because I can detect and analyze the result.
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2014, 02:20:31 AM
Lol ramset. According to mark E's logic some random stranger with a tube fullo nickel powder duped many multi-billion dollar corps's own pocket-scientists into submission,not once,not twice,but multiple times
You really ought to look into case histories such as Madison Priest: Duped Intel with a TV that had a hidden VCR in it, Media Fusion: Duped a number of very prominent investors with just a song and dance, Terralliance: duped some of the biggest VCs and investment banks out of over half a billion with nothing but Power Point slides, and so on.
Rossi is an established con artist. He tried to put one over on NASA in September / October 2011. NASA didn't buy his carnival show. Neither did the prospective investors who were prepared to fund with over $100 million.
@tinselkoala your topic is character assasination of rossi.my topic is what went on in that lab,in that tube,which has nothing to do with rossi.until we begin to argue over what went on in that tube,we get no nearer to facts.
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2014, 02:34:29 AM
@mark E so you think if I were to knock at random corporate doors with my karpen pilum that I would,contrary to your earlier statements,get a job then due to the sheer luck that one of their pocket scientists will be an idiot?
You have yet to even put on a show. You can study the likes of Rossi, or Dennis Lee, or Mike Brady to learn how to put on a show.
Lol @mark E you talk about NASA yet they were the guys who were leaking out cold fusion anomolous heats themselves a few years back.
@mark E.Hidden vcr,song-n-dance,power-point slides.all completely different tools for different once-off scams.anomolous heat here,anomolous heat there,anomolous heat theeere,anomolous heat also theeerre,and ther,n there,n ther.nickel = 3000 scams and counting?
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2014, 06:05:22 AM
Lol @mark E you talk about NASA yet they were the guys who were leaking out cold fusion anomolous heats themselves a few years back.
Do you really want to play yourself a fool like this? NASA's interest in the possibility of CF/LENR/LANR makes their rejection of Rossi's dog and pony show all the more damning.
What all the scams have in common including Rossi is that only modest care checking appearances against reality exposes them all.
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2014, 05:53:56 AM
@tinselkoala your topic is character assasination of rossi.my topic is what went on in that lab,in that tube,which has nothing to do with rossi.until we begin to argue over what went on in that tube,we get no nearer to facts.
Read Rossi's patent. Notice that the patent says that the process _runs on_ the NI62 isotope as fuel. It produces _copper_ as "ash" and this was "confirmed" by a test performed on the ECat several years ago, again under the control of Rossi.
Now, please explain to me how this present reactor _PRODUCES_ Ni62 in its ash, not copper, and doesn't start with Ni62 in there as fuel.
Then, take a look at this website and the documents linked from it.
http://news.newenergytimes.net/2014/10/12/rossi-handles-samples-in-alleged-independent-test-of-his-device/
Next, please review this document, which is a critique of the previous Levi-conducted "independent" test, by some actual professors of nuclear physics at Uppsala U, attached below. This is the level at which I would like to proceed with any discussion of the Levi et al. demonstration, including the participation of Rossi and his "character". However I don't think you are up to it. I think you have just now stepped into the Rossi affair and you don't have the necessary background information. You really should stick to electrochemistry.
Tinsel
So ultimately your claiming Rossi pulled a switcheroo in the Lab,
like a mission impossible episode .
this is the Level of scrutiny which begs a higher skill level from Profitis ?
Chet
Electrochemistry was the beginning of pons-lenr and electrochemistry was the endup of nickel-lenr so I think I'm damn suited to tackle this one mr tinselkeizen.let's go to basics first,as rossi and many others said before,nuke reactions are a side-effect of a quantum phenomena so lets start with textbook-literature basics and put the horse(catalyst spillover) before the cart(nuke disintergration).let's go to rossis earlier patent http://ecatnews.com/?p=829 where he had a copper tube with nickel coating on the inside .do you agree with me that hydrogen spillover between nickel and copper is scientific fact mr tinselkoala.please go here http://frigidaflamma.blogspot.nl/2011/06/copper-with-nickel-in-rossi-e-cat.html?m=1
Quote from: ramset on October 16, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
Tinsel
So ultimately your claiming Rossi pulled a switcheroo in the Lab,
like a mission impossible episode .
this is the Level of scrutiny which begs a higher skill level from Profitis ?
Chet
You do like to misrepresent stuff don't you.
What I am "claiming" or rather simply pointing out, is that
1. The Lugano demonstration was NOT INDEPENDENT since the reactor was loaded by ROSSI, the power was applied by ROSSI, and ROSSI prevented the dummy run from being a proper control, and ROSSI unloaded the reactor and obtained the sample of ash.
2. The patent claims NI62 is the fuel and copper the ash. The Lugano claimed demonstration resulted in NI62 in the "ash" and no copper.
3. Rossi is known to have purchased a commercial sample of NI62 before the demonstration.
4. No valid data has been presented that indicates excess heat from the device over and above what was supplied by the electrical heating coils. Several lines of evidence prove that the reactor never actually attained the 1400 degree temperature they claimed, such as the total NON_CHARRING of the paint of the supporting framework. There are other proofs in the report as well, such as the non-molten Inconel heating wires.
5. The most likely explanation for the presence of the NI62... of the exact composition as the purchased sample .... winding up in the "ash" sample collected by Rossi is that it is part of the purchased sample, not something created by or even used as fuel by the "reactor."
Would anyone like to dispute these FACTS? Or would you rather continue insulting me in an attempt to divert attention from the Rossi fraud?
Quote from: profitis on October 16, 2014, 12:04:08 PM
Electrochemistry was the beginning of pons-lenr and electrochemistry was the endup of nickel-lenr so I think I'm damn suited to tackle this one mr tinselkeizen.let's go to basics first,as rossi and many others said before,nuke reactions are a side-effect of a quantum phenomena so lets start with textbook-literature basics and put the horse(catalyst spillover) before the cart(nuke disintergration).let's go to rossis earlier patent http://ecatnews.com/?p=829 (http://ecatnews.com/?p=829) where he had a copper tube with nickel coating on the inside .do you agree with me that hydrogen spillover between nickel and copper is scientific fact mr tinselkoala.please go here http://frigidaflamma.blogspot.nl/2011/06/copper-with-nickel-in-rossi-e-cat.html?m=1 (http://frigidaflamma.blogspot.nl/2011/06/copper-with-nickel-in-rossi-e-cat.html?m=1)
I see you do not read the materials I suggest to you, so why should I bother to read what you present? The way real systems behave is irrelevant to the Rossi affair, since his system does not produce any excess heat over what is provided by the electrical power input. None of them have ever done so.
There are ways to experimentaly check if hydrogen spillover between nickel and copper is reversable quantum 2lot violating phenomena thus there are ways to check if rossis cupro-nickel ecat or any ecat is a real 2lot violator.
Profitis there are also ways to see what's stuck on the bottom of one's sandals.
Of the many outlandish claims that the fraud Rossi has made, Second Law violations are not among them.
Plenty indication here markE http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/10/rossi-lets-switch-from-lenr-to-quar/ .also check out this discussion on vortex-l https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg92712.html where the genius jones beene dives into spillover physics. Its very simple catalytic spillover is cyclical as was shown by sheehan et al.can you imagine the heat generated by hydrogen winds going cyclical at 500+ degrees celcius.very very hot
Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2014, 03:54:43 AM
Plenty indication here markE http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/10/rossi-lets-switch-from-lenr-to-quar/ .also check out this discussion on vortex-l https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg92712.html where the genius jones beene dives into spillover physics. Its very simple catalytic spillover is cyclical as was shown by sheehan et al.can you imagine the heat generated by hydrogen winds going cyclical at 500+ degrees celcius.very very hot
You do like your diversions into the bushes. Once again: Rossi has never claimed a Second Law violation. Neither or your cites show differently.
Its going to have to be a 2nd law violation in order to get to the nuke part because there is no other physics which will allow it. Rossi's ecat is a quantum tunnelling device.quar.atomic hydrogen is tunnelling into the catalysts, through the catalysts,and out the catalysts,cyclicly.this is catalytic spillover
Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
Its going to have to be a 2nd law violation in order to get to the nuke part because there is no other physics which will allow it. Rossi's ecat is a quantum tunnelling device.quar.atomic hydrogen is tunnelling into the catalysts, through the catalysts,and out the catalysts,cyclicly.this is catalytic spillover
You can make all the unilateral declarations you like. The fact remains that Rossi does not claim a Second Law violation. All your segues are distraction from Rossi's actual and false claims.
Perhaps you can suggest your ideas to him and see if he uses them to extend his charade.
Only you and tinselkeizen will think that this has nothing in common with an ecat.sheehans rhecat
It's apples and oranges. Sheehan is an actual researcher who may one day deliver results. Rossi is a fraud who will never deliver results.
What do you suspect will happen if we replace sheehans rhenium with nickel and sheehans tungsten with copper mr E
Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2014, 07:04:21 AM
What do you suspect will happen if we replace sheehans rhenium with nickel and sheehans tungsten with copper mr E
You will end up with very common results from a material combination that has been used in industry for decades and decades. IOW, nothing unusual will result.
OK, it's grain of salt time. I want to remind you of something though. It was 20 years till one cold fusion device was replicated. The reason why it could not be replicated was suddenly all the Palladium sources in the entire world where no longer pure enough to fulfill the needs of the system. I point out to you this is a international conspiracy and not a theory. If Rossi's work was replicated we will see it enter the market. I don't mind paying for it, let's get it out here.
Quote from: raburgeson on October 17, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
OK, it's grain of salt time. I want to remind you of something though. It was 20 years till one cold fusion device was replicated. The reason why it could not be replicated was suddenly all the Palladium sources in the entire world where no longer pure enough to fulfill the needs of the system. I point out to you this is a international conspiracy and not a theory. If Rossi's work was replicated we will see it enter the market. I don't mind paying for it, let's get it out here.
Raburgeson I have fantastic news for you. Even better than commercial product are open source instructions on how to make a Rossi reactor:
Materials: Pipe, inconel resistance wire, SCR heater controller. Ceramic insulator blocks.
Wind the inconel wire around the ceramic insulator blocks.
Insert the assembly into a pipe.
Connect to a mains powered SCR heater controller to the inconel wire.
Adjust SCR controller to desired heating level.
Add nickel and hydrogen to taste.
Now you have a Rossi hot cat reactor. You'll save a lot of money if you don't bother buying the Ni-62 fuel (Rossi eCat claim) or ash (Rossi hot cat claim).
Enjoy!
Precisely mark E.you will endup with common Ni/Cu spillover http://www.chem.tamu.edu/rgroup/goodman/pdf%20files/052_jcat_95_85_321.pdf
Also with rhenium/copper you will get common spillover http://www.chem.tamu.edu/rgroup/goodman/pdf%20files//pdf%20files/135_ss-244_91_211.pdf
Guess what you get when you shove tungsten and copper into the sheecat @mark E
It looks like the defendants mark E and tinselkeizen have absconded from this courtroom.the judge therefore rules in favour of the plaintiff in establishing a direct connection between one daniel sheehan's rhecat and one andrea rossi's ecat.case closed slam-dunk.*ping*ing*ding*ding*
Profitis do you enjoy playing a clown?
Ask Danny if he knows where Mark Comings is. I would really like to get in touch with Mark Comings, if he's not in jail in Singapore or something.
@mark E while you and tinsels are playing around with ash and magnifying glass I'm marrying rossi to sheehan.its you guys clowning around not me
Quote from: profitis on October 19, 2014, 08:06:58 AM
@mark E while you and tinsels are playing around with ash and magnifying glass I'm marrying rossi to sheehan.its you guys clowning around not me
LOL. Sure you are.
@tinselkoala going for danny's throat now?take it easy brother your scary sometimes
Quote from tinselkoala'Read Rossi's patent. Notice that the patent says that the process _runs on_ the NI62 isotope as fuel. It produces _copper_ as "ash" and this was "confirmed" by a test performed on the ECat several years ago, again under the control of Rossi.
Now, please explain to me how this present reactor _PRODUCES_ Ni62 in its ash, not copper, and doesn't start with Ni62 in there as fuel.'.end quote. ....
This is because he used a copper tube in earlier models with nickel shoved/plated onto it.copper got into ash.he used alumina tube now.no copper present.Ni62 was used then probably for stability,formed now from regular Ni due to lowest entropy states disintergration of natural isotopes.
Quote from Raburgeson:'
OK, it's grain of salt time. I want to remind you of something though. It was 20 years till one cold fusion device was replicated. The reason why it could not be replicated was suddenly all the Palladium sources in the entire world where no longer pure enough to fulfill the needs of the system. I point out to you this is a international conspiracy and not a theory. If Rossi's work was replicated we will see it enter the market. I don't mind paying for it, let's get it out here' end quote...
Pons-fleish used palladium/silver alloy
Quote from: profitis on October 23, 2014, 02:51:52 AM
Quote from Raburgeson:'
OK, it's grain of salt time. I want to remind you of something though. It was 20 years till one cold fusion device was replicated. The reason why it could not be replicated was suddenly all the Palladium sources in the entire world where no longer pure enough to fulfill the needs of the system. I point out to you this is a international conspiracy and not a theory. If Rossi's work was replicated we will see it enter the market. I don't mind paying for it, let's get it out here' end quote...
Pons-fleish used palladium/silver alloy
I've always said MIBS will change the characteristics of materials to support the status-quo.
How about Borated Laboratory Glassware, Is that a conspiracy too? (Boron is the premiere
neutron absorber and n-reaction suppressor)
:S:MarkSCoffman
Steady adjustment is the key for new energy discovery/research.it doesnt happen overnight.
Profitis
Quite True
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FilflaqbVI#t=3015
Thx to Centraflow for the link /reminder.
Chet
Yes ramset, steady,steady http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/old-experiments/follow-2/412-2nd-rule-of-thumb-of-thermodynamics
Open the celani pdf up there too
Yes very true, I suspect the real reason engines are no longer built of iron is energy related.