Oy Vey
I hope this does not hurt any ones "private Parts" [a comment already in the comment section at you tube]
if it does I apologize in advance :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop)
he says "more to come"
thx for looking and commenting
Chet
Oh vey indeed. Are they kidding? This is another case of: garbage in / garbage out.
Source power was not measured by any reliable means.
Output power was not measured by any reliable means.
Name plate labels are not measurements.
Fuses are not measurement devices. They do not open just barely above their ratings.
IR thermometers assume an emissivity.
Transformers are all lossy.
Large transformers can have large stray fields.
If one wants to know the temperature of an object reliably, properly shielded bonded thermocouples are usually the most appropriate method.
Quote from: MarkE on December 22, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
Oh vey indeed. Are they kidding? This is another case of: garbage in / garbage out.
Source power was not measured by any reliable means.
Output power was not measured by any reliable means.
Name plate labels are not measurements.
Fuses are not measurement devices. They do not open just barely above their ratings.
IR thermometers assume an emissivity.
Transformers are all lossy.
Large transformers can have large stray fields.
If one wants to know the temperature of an object reliably, properly shielded bonded thermocouples are usually the most appropriate method.
Whilst I agree this latest vid has a distinct lack of measurements I don't think it was meant to be viewed in isolation. He has several others in this series.
Jim
Do you have any idea where he hails from ?
or contact info?
thx
Chet
Morin is a textbook example of what is wrong with this whole research area (if I can even call it that.) You have someone who does not even understand the very basics of electrical quantities or measurements misusing inappropriate test equipment to make partial "measurements" of irrelevant quantities and then coming to erroneous conclusions which lead him to make false claims, and then when people try to tell him what is wrong or how he may educate himself, he starts in with the insults and attitude. While asking for "donations". People like Morin and those who are promoting his nonsense are doing a great disservice. And you can believe me when I tell you that this fellow is not above fakery and misrepresentation of facts. He "knows" he is right and let the facts be damned.
MarkE: He does not want to know the temperature of an object reliably! He wants to show you "measurements" that support his claims! If a measurement does not agree with his "theory", clearly the measurement is wrong. That is why he is doing what he is doing, playing the fool with his meters and other toys. This is the fellow who claimed 400 kV output from this apparatus, remember, and when shown what 400 kV out from 24 V in actually looks like, he fell back to insults and attitudes.
Quote from: Jimboot on December 22, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
Whilst I agree this latest vid has a distinct lack of measurements I don't think it was meant to be viewed in isolation. He has several others in this series.
All of which show the same ignorance, the same misuse of test equipment, the same false claims.
TK
This is exactly the reason I invite men to an investigation ,things get sorted much faster
and with much less noise.
and I will invite him here.
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on December 22, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
TK
This is exactly the reason I invite men to an investigation ,things get sorted much faster
and with much less noise.
and I will invite him here.
thx
Chet
You don't seriously believe that he will respond to suggestions that he learn about basic quantities, how to measure them accurately, and how to use an oscilloscope do you? Or that by entering into a discussion here that there will be less "noise" to deal with? There are bogus claims and misuse of equipment and fake "experiments" by the dozen happening in threads all around us. "Relative emissivity"? Whaaat? Digital instruments cannot be wrong, their readings are always correct and can always be taken at face value, right? EMI? Whaaat? Doesn't exist because a thirty dollar meter is always better than a ten dollar one, QED, right? Double-blind? Whaaaat? Of course an _experimenter_ will never influence the results of a "control" experiment, consciously or otherwise, right?
Insert facepalm here.
There has to be something to this because the GREATER the Load, the
LOWER the temperature gets. Thus PROVING Overunity Cold Electricity.
AMAZING!!!!
What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop)
.
Tinsel
Nothing ventured Nothing gained ,
I will invite him , or maybe Stefan can do one of his "appearances"
at his youtube channel...
fatbird
what was the ambient temp [I see he's wearing gloves]
thx
Chet
Quote from: FatBird on December 22, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
There has to be something to this because the GREATER the Load, the
LOWER the temperature gets. Thus PROVING Overunity Cold Electricity.
AMAZING!!!!
What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop)
I say YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Do you have any idea of "thermal mass"? Morin has demonstrated many times already that his thermometer is affected by EMI and does not return accurate readings, and there is no way that a huge pole pig will change its actual temperature in a few minutes when given a trickle of power input.
Quote from: FatBird on December 22, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
There has to be something to this because the GREATER the Load, the
LOWER the temperature gets. Thus PROVING Overunity Cold Electricity.
AMAZING!!!!
What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop)
.
The ambient was 4deg I believe.
TK have you observed that phenomena before? One of these units getting affected by EMI? Like a dmm unable to hand high freq from karcher
Quote from: ramset on December 22, 2014, 06:36:14 PM
Jim
Do you have any idea where he hails from ?
or contact info?
thx
Chet
Well he had a french accent and it looks bloody cold so I just thought he was Canadian :)
Cant see video on my phone. Was thefe light?--if it had lights, its OU for sure
Quote from: ramset on December 22, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
TK
This is exactly the reason I invite men to an investigation ,things get sorted much faster
and with much less noise.
and I will invite him here.
thx
Chet
Nothing that Morin has shown rises to a level of even a curious effect to me. I invite anyone whose curiosity is sparked by that deplorable demonstration to investigate whatever they might think is unusual to their heart's content.
Quote from: FatBird on December 22, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
There has to be something to this because the GREATER the Load, the
LOWER the temperature gets. Thus PROVING Overunity Cold Electricity.
AMAZING!!!!
What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY&app=desktop)
.
I say that the "measurements" were travesties for reasons that I have already listed in my first post in this thread. GIGO.
Quote from: Jimboot on December 22, 2014, 08:32:49 PM
The ambient was 4deg I believe.
TK have you observed that phenomena before? One of these units getting affected by EMI? Like a dmm unable to hand high freq from karcher
Of course. Morin himself gives an excellent demonstration of all that I have said in this video, one of the shorter ones Morin has presented:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8
Skip ahead to 6:09 if all you want to see is the thermometer going crazy.
But if you watch the whole thing: you will note that he claims 400 kV output with no justification. You will note that his DMM produces a wildly unstable reading with continual beeping, yet he picks and chooses what numbers to report. You will note that the thermometer is also beeping madly at him and produces readings well below zero when near the apparatus, when it is perfectly clear (no frost, etc) that the items being "measured" are not at freezing temperatures. Hear him admit that the thermometer is responding to interference. As an aside, you will note that he believes his batteries cannot produce high currents since they are nameplate labelled 1.5 A-H. He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.
Quote from: tinman on December 22, 2014, 10:02:16 PM
Cant see video on my phone. Was thefe light?--if it had lights, its OU for sure
No lights, he's done the temp check with lights on previous vids. What he did not show in this vid is how his circuit differed from previous vids.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
Of course. Morin himself gives an excellent demonstration of all that I have said in this video, one of the shorter ones Morin has presented:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8)
Skip ahead to 6:09 if all you want to see is the thermometer going crazy.
But if you watch the whole thing: you will note that he claims 400 kV output with no justification. You will note that his DMM produces a wildly unstable reading with continual beeping, yet he picks and chooses what numbers to report. You will note that the thermometer is also beeping madly at him and produces readings well below zero when near the apparatus, when it is perfectly clear (no frost, etc) that the items being "measured" are not at freezing temperatures. Hear him admit that the thermometer is responding to interference. As an aside, you will note that he believes his batteries cannot produce high currents since they are nameplate labelled 1.5 A-H. He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.
The one I watched with his guest was interesting he confirmed that the thermometer was being affected as the glass when touched was not cold but the reading said different. I found that bit odd. What does that though? It seems to do it in very different conditions. Is the em affecting the laser or the unit? Never seen that before with a thermometer
Yep
Quote from: Jimboot on December 23, 2014, 01:07:54 AM
No lights, he's done the temp check with lights on previous vids. What he did not show in this vid is how his circuit differed from previous vids.
Hi Jim
I was just being a smart ass ::). Seems most OU devices these days have lights that are suppose to show the OU effect-i guess it's just a little joke between myself and TK.
But on a serious note,his 1450 watt drop saw will not be drawing the full 1450 watt's free wheeling like that,more like 300 to 350 watts i would think.
In fact,the whole video is rubbish to me,and i refuse to waste any more time on crap like this.
Doesn't anyone know what those two transformers are!!!! ::)
They are autotransformers (balun), they have one coil only (primary and secondary in one). These have been conected back to back via the normal input (normally around 4KV). From the generator the power is conected to the output of one (which now becomes the input), and the output of the other is conected to the load.
Like this the generator only sees the first transformer, and the second transformer will see the load and will respond to that by adjusting the current drawn by varying the voltage, and is why you do not hear the generator change note with load, but the cutting disk lost voltage and slowed.
No free energy here, just making use of baluns (balanced and unbalanced), current and the voltage changes to the load, power is always the same, what was put into the first transformer in the fist place, end of story.
Regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: Jimboot on December 23, 2014, 07:22:15 AM
The one I watched with his guest was interesting he confirmed that the thermometer was being affected as the glass when touched was not cold but the reading said different. I found that bit odd. What does that though? It seems to do it in very different conditions. Is the em affecting the laser or the unit? Never seen that before with a thermometer
Yep
It's affecting the electronics within the unit, probably not the sensor itself. These instruments use very sensitive "instrumentation amplifiers", a type of precision op-amp, to convert the tiny changes in IR radiation sensed by the sensor, into voltages that can be displayed on the digital readout as temperature. Instrumentation amplifiers are notoriously sensitive to EMI (electromagnetic interference) and people who do serious work will take great pains to shield their measurement circuitry from this kind of interference.
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet. I say "ironically" because Morin made a comment about my "cheap" meters, and I'm sure he spent a lot more for his thermometer than I did for mine ! Mine is from Harbor Freight and cost about 20 dollars on sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html
I've not tried all my possible EMI sources yet though!
By the way, the laser has nothing to do with the temperature measurement, it's just a targeting aid. But since the laser beam comes out a little ways to the side of the center of the IR sensor's view, it isn't always accurate in indicating the point where the sensor is looking. On mine the laser beam comes out 15 mm from the center of the IR sensor, and the correct distance where they converge is about 25-30 cm away from the unit. Closer or further away, and the beam doesn't hit the exact center of where the sensor is looking.
For information ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer
The voltage between the two transformers was in the KV range and was affecting the IR thermometer
regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: centraflow on December 23, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
For information ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotransformer)
The voltage between the two transformers was in the KV range and was affecting the IR thermometer
regards
Mike 8)
I suppose I should get the "SassyClassE" SSTC down off its shelf and fire it up. That should get my IR thermometer to misbehave, if anything will!
Thanks for your comment about the baluns. You're right on!
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet.
Hi TK. I just tried a small solid state HV tesla coil driver circuit I have which was running around 15 kHz
and putting out about 2 KV to 3 KV or so at least. No effect on my fairly basic digital IR thermometer even when
I moved the gun within about six inches away from the high voltage electrode. I then connected up a sparkgap
figuring that should more likely have some impact on the digital IR thermometer, but it also did not
affect its readings. We all know that high voltage AC and especially sparkgaps can mess up digital
equipment like digital meters and computers, but it seems my little basic IR thermometer has some fairly good
EM noise filtering/tolerance. Maybe Mr. Morin's IR thermometer is especially sensitive to HV EMI, or maybe because he
was running at higher voltages/different frequencies. Different models of IR thermometer will probably vary
quite a bit in what it takes to mess them up with high voltage EMI.
All the best...
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
It's affecting the electronics within the unit, probably not the sensor itself. These instruments use very sensitive "instrumentation amplifiers", a type of precision op-amp, to convert the tiny changes in IR radiation sensed by the sensor, into voltages that can be displayed on the digital readout as temperature. Instrumentation amplifiers are notoriously sensitive to EMI (electromagnetic interference) and people who do serious work will take great pains to shield their measurement circuitry from this kind of interference.
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet. I say "ironically" because Morin made a comment about my "cheap" meters, and I'm sure he spent a lot more for his thermometer than I did for mine ! Mine is from Harbor Freight and cost about 20 dollars on sale.
http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html)
I've not tried all my possible EMI sources
Thanks TK. Very comprehensive, I've learned something.
WHAT? You must be kidding! Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!
.
LOL! You are really funny today! "Most people".... I laugh in your face. You are in way over your head.
Quote from: FatBird on December 24, 2014, 08:41:20 AM
WHAT? You must be kidding! Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!
.
Quote from: FatBird on December 24, 2014, 08:41:20 AM
WHAT? You must be kidding! Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!
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Yes, most a kind of people: the dreamers.
What would make this more efficient that any other dynamo's rotor? This is the Diametrically Magnetized magnet style rotor from a drain pump in the front load washing machine that Gerard Morin's project uses.
Web Link of Indiegogo independent project to replicate (or not) Gerard Morine's experimental results:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gerard-morin-s-high-voltage-pole-pig-experiments
Please Donate;
This is a relatively simple yet robust experiment with researchers committed to making it's results public. It has a relatively
high potential payoff to experimenters, if it works. and It's fun too!
:S:MarkSCoffman
Gerard Morin has no clue about electricity. Watching his videos makes me despair for the future of the human race, if we take him seriously.
MarkSCoffman
I applaud your efforts...No stone left upturned and not everybody
has unlimited resources to experiment on behalf of this community.
And some would keep these things to themselves and try backdoor
deals if they truly work.
Your set a very good example!!
with Much gratitude and appreciation .
Chet K
You might as well just burn your money in your fireplace.
You'll get more "free" energy that way than Morin will ever get from a pair of pole pigs and an old gas-powered generator.
Gerard Morin and Rosemary Ainslie are two of a kind. Neither one has the slightest clue about what is actually
happening with electrical/electronic circuitry, measurements, energy, power, test equipment etc. I really do not
understand how Morin ever got any attention at all.
Every cent sent to Morin or his indiegogo campaign is a cent that isn't going to a good cause, like an animal shelter
or a food bank.
Wow looks like the resident executive board has spoken and they just don't know what is going on...
as seen in these NEGATIVE COMMENTS ..
THE EXPERTS HAVE SPOKEN !!!!
Soo it must be FAKE !!!....................
I hope this does not hurt any ones "private Parts"
Are they kidding? This is another case of: garbage in / garbage out.
People like Morin and those who are promoting his nonsense are doing a great disservice. And you can believe me when I tell you that this fellow is not above fakery and misrepresentation of facts. He "knows" he is right and let the facts be damned.
All of which show the same ignorance, the same misuse of test equipment, the same false claims.
There are bogus claims and misuse of equipment and fake "experiments" by the dozen happening in threads all around us. "Relative emissivity"? Whaaat?
What do you Nay Sayers & Trolls say now? LOL
I say YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Do you have any idea of "thermal mass"?
Well he had a french accent and it looks bloody cold so I just thought he was Canadian
Nothing that Morin has shown rises to a level of even a curious effect to me. I invite anyone whose curiosity is sparked by that deplorable demonstration to investigate
I say that the "measurements" were travesties for reasons that I have already listed in my first post in this thread. GIGO.
He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.
In fact,the whole video is rubbish to me,and i refuse to waste any more time on crap like this.
No free energy here, just making use of baluns (balanced and unbalanced), current and the voltage changes to the load, power is always the same, what was put into the first transformer in the fist place, end of story.
Ironically, I haven't been able to get my own IR thermometer to misbehave like this yet. I say "ironically" because Morin made a comment about my "cheap" meters, and I'm sure he spent a lot more for his thermometer than I did for mine ! Mine is from Harbor Freight and cost about 20 dollars on sale.
I suppose I should get the "SassyClassE" SSTC down off its shelf and fire it up. That should get my IR thermometer to misbehave, if anything will!
I just tried a small solid state HV tesla coil driver circuit I have which was running around 15 kHz
and putting out about 2 KV to 3 KV or so at least. No effect on my fairly basic digital IR thermometer even when
I moved the gun within about six inches away from the high voltage electrode. I then connected up a sparkgap
figuring that should more likely have some impact on the digital IR thermometer, but it also did not
affect its readings. We all know that high voltage AC and especially sparkgaps can mess up digital
equipment like digital meters and computers, but it seems my little basic IR thermometer has some fairly good
EM noise filtering/tolerance. Maybe Mr. Morin's IR thermometer is especially sensitive to HV EMI, or maybe because he
was running at higher voltages/different frequencies. Different models of IR thermometer will probably vary
quite a bit in what it takes to mess them up with high voltage EMI.
All the best...
WHAT? You must be kidding! Most people here would say the only thing that can be learned from TK is constant unharnessed NEGATIVITY!!!
LOL! You are really funny today! "Most people".... I laugh in your face. You are in way over your head.
TK showing the "where" and "how" things are misinterpreted and then often the correct way of measuring things is most helpful to a lot of people, myself included.
Gerard Morin has no clue about electricity. Watching his videos makes me despair for the future of the human race, if we take him seriously.
You might as well just burn your money in your fireplace.
You'll get more "free" energy that way than Morin will ever get from a pair of pole pigs and an old gas-powered generator.
Gerard Morin and Rosemary Ainslie are two of a kind. Neither one has the slightest clue about what is actually
happening with electrical/electronic circuitry, measurements, energy, power, test equipment etc. I really do not
understand how Morin ever got any attention at all.
Every cent sent to Morin or his indiegogo campaign is a cent that isn't going to a good cause, like an animal shelter
or a food bank.
"The wise experts have made their opinion.. It is time to EXECUTE Mr. Morin.. for stupidity !!!"
Off with his head ....
Acca.. [/font]
I don't see an argument there that supports Morin's claims against the criticism of his detractors. Is that because you don't have one?
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 18, 2015, 10:48:45 PM
Every cent sent to Morin or his indiegogo campaign is a cent that isn't going to a good cause, like an animal shelter
or a food bank.
Just in case ppl think the above campaign is for Morin. From the campaign page.
"We are an independent group of engineers, mechanics, scientists, not affiliated with Gerald Morin, who are in the process of replicating Gerald Morin's work. "[/font][/size]
btw I'm not affiliated. [/font][/size]
Quote from: rookmagnetmotor on February 15, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
What would make this more efficient that any other dynamo's rotor? This is the Diametrically Magnetized magnet style rotor from a drain pump in the front load washing machine that Gerard Morin's project uses.
Probably a turbine, that is based on "implosion"? Just guessing randomly as I have some Schauberger things in my head.
Besides, I stumbled upon Gerard Morin recently, but had to stop his 1-hour movie after 5 minutes, seeing the way it was made. Like a cheap BBC documentary "and here we are with the inventor - CUT - "and here we are talking philosophy" - CUT - "blablablabla... more words" - CUT - some music playing"... but hardly anything of his device shown, even when fast skipping forward. Honestly, nobody needs shit like this. When it's starts like this, you can switch it off already, because it never comes to an end. He has a nice spark gap though...
"I stumbled upon Gerard Morin recently" same here; it is painful to watch that diatribe. His videos have no merit imho.
TinselKoala, if you are so sure of what you say, why dont you visit Gerard and do a measurements video together ?
I'm expecting detractors (like you) to go deep when they say "it cannot work", without digging.
Quote from: rookmagnetmotor on February 15, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
What would make this more efficient that any other dynamo's rotor? This is the Diametrically Magnetized magnet style rotor from a drain pump in the front load washing machine that Gerard Morin's project uses.
The only discernible difference I can make of this, is that the size (length) of the magnet covers the entirety of the generating coil.
This contrasts to motors in which the magnet is much smaller than the coil.
The effects of the EMF on the rotating mass are less pronounced in generators of this type. making it easier to maintain motion.
compared to a generator with a smaller magnet wherein there is more force to contend with fighting rotation under load.
This is countered by an increase in the moment of inertia to initiate spin, and a reduction in change in flux.
Also, important to note, is the secondary spikes found in generators with smaller-than-coil magnets disappears in this type of generator. Leaving a cleaner A/C signal.
This is due to the edges of the field in smaller magnets inducing a reverse current as the magnet face approaches or leaves the coil.
When the magnet is larger than the coil, you simply have a reversal in the direction of the flux.
Energy In, to Energy Out should not present much of a difference, as generators of both types have been in use for a long time.
It looks like the generation coil he is using is from a different device, perhaps a microwave? did he state what that was?
Quote from: calim on March 19, 2015, 01:33:37 PM
TinselKoala, if you are so sure of what you say, why dont you visit Gerard and do a measurements video together ?
I'm expecting detractors (like you) to go deep when they say "it cannot work", without digging.
I'll be happy to. PM me with your contact information and I'll tell you where to send the airline ticket and my per-diem expense money, along with my standard consulting contract. I'll even waive my usual three-day consulting fee itself; you can just pay my travel and daily expenses. I'm ready to go as soon as the ticket and signed contract arrives.
Another one of the "classic traps" that people can fall into when experimenting; just because a load has a specific wattage rating, doesn't mean it will be dissipating that much power when you connect YOUR source to it. If one makes that assumption without actually measuring the output power, one is likely to fail.
Take a 100W incandescent light bulb; they are power rated at some specified input voltage of say 110VAC. If one puts only 80VAC into the light bulb, is the bulb going to use 100W of power? Of course not.
In the video we can clearly discern that the voltage decreases (from the sound of the saw) as loads are switched in, and that is the first clue indicating the output voltage from his system is not independent of the load and should therefore be measured.
I'm quite certain that if a proper input and output power measurement was performed on his system, he in fact would see an "underunity" result.
From PESN:
Quote
From: Gerard Morin
To: Sterling Allan
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:26 PM
Hi Sterling, Things are progressing rapidly. Some new videos will be coming out shortly, from the self loop generator.. Just keep watching. Gerard Morin
There needs to be orders of magnitude improvement in the videos to make them worth watching.
I'm not totally sure, but the group of ' engineers and scientists' behind the donation scheme, are two guys on energetic forum playing with a McCulloch generator and some pole pigs. I don't go to that forum much, but often read that particular thread for some entertainment.
Quote from: Jimboot on December 23, 2014, 07:22:15 AM
The one I watched with his guest was interesting he confirmed that the thermometer was being affected as the glass when touched was not cold but the reading said different. I found that bit odd. What does that though? It seems to do it in very different conditions. Is the em affecting the laser or the unit? Never seen that before with a thermometer
Yep
You're right, that doesn't make sense.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
Of course. Morin himself gives an excellent demonstration of all that I have said in this video, one of the shorter ones Morin has presented:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8)
Skip ahead to 6:09 if all you want to see is the thermometer going crazy.
But if you watch the whole thing: you will note that he claims 400 kV output with no justification. You will note that his DMM produces a wildly unstable reading with continual beeping, yet he picks and chooses what numbers to report. You will note that the thermometer is also beeping madly at him and produces readings well below zero when near the apparatus, when it is perfectly clear (no frost, etc) that the items being "measured" are not at freezing temperatures. Hear him admit that the thermometer is responding to interference. As an aside, you will note that he believes his batteries cannot produce high currents since they are nameplate labelled 1.5 A-H. He does not understand what "amp-hour" means, or at least did not, a month ago.
In principle, all he had to do to demonstrate that the reasons for the negative readings weren't due to EM interference is to stick a black piece of paper between the thermometer and the transformer and measure the difference.
As far as the lack of frost, that's easy to explain. Flashing freezing results in smaller, more ubiquitous ice crystals, which may not be apparent in the video. You will also have to consider the humidity at the time. The unit was exposed to the outside air, so if outdoor humidity was low, you wouldn't expect much ice crystals to form.
He did totally flop on the other "measurements" though.
Quote from: poynt99 on March 20, 2015, 08:57:04 AM
Another one of the "classic traps" that people can fall into when experimenting; just because a load has a specific wattage rating, doesn't mean it will be dissipating that much power when you connect YOUR source to it. If one makes that assumption without actually measuring the output power, one is likely to fail.
Yep.
Quote from: poynt99 on March 20, 2015, 08:57:04 AMTake a 100W incandescent light bulb; they are power rated at some specified input voltge of say 110VAC. If one puts only 80VAC into the light bulb, is the bulb going to use 100W of power? Of course not.
Exactly. Why they do not use a mechanical load? I've always suggested this to people in the OU community. Mechanical load, calorimeter tests, or it "didn't happen".
Quote from: poynt99 on March 20, 2015, 08:57:04 AMIn the video we can clearly discern that the voltage decreases (from the sound of the saw) as loads are switched in, and that is the first clue indicating the output voltage from his system is not independent of the load and should therefore be measured.
It would just be better to measure mechanical or calorimeter power and discount any "output voltage" and "output current".
Quote from: poynt99 on March 20, 2015, 08:57:04 AMI'm quite certain that if a proper input and output power measurement was performed on his system, he in fact would see an "underunity" result.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
It's affecting the electronics within the unit, probably not the sensor itself. These instruments use very sensitive "instrumentation amplifiers", a type of precision op-amp, to convert the tiny changes in IR radiation sensed by the sensor, into voltages that can be displayed on the digital readout as temperature. Instrumentation amplifiers are notoriously sensitive to EMI (electromagnetic interference) and people who do serious work will take great pains to shield their measurement circuitry from this kind of interference.
Possible in principle, but then it would be a bit hard to explain that the reading is consistently "biased in one direction" as opposed to fluctuating between high and low extremes.
Quote from: kmarinas86 on March 22, 2015, 11:34:57 AM
Possible in principle, but then it would be a bit hard to explain that the reading is consistently "biased in one direction" as opposed to fluctuating between high and low extremes.
One can refer to application notes from any of the big linear IC vendors about how RF interference generates DC errors in op-amps and instrument amplifiers.
Quote from: MarkE on March 22, 2015, 05:26:43 PM
One can refer to application notes from any of the big linear IC vendors about how RF interference generates DC errors in op-amps and instrument amplifiers.
Thanks for the tip.
That is a cool alternator. It uses a permanent magnet rotor and two kidney shaped output coils. The output windings are made with flat aluminum foil. Designed to be portable but suffered from burn outs due to full load operating temperatures being so high. Windings just could'nt get rid of the heat. Obstructed air passage or high ambient good bye generator.
The video is totally confusing. I guess what he was trying to prove is that the loads powered were getting energy in excess of that supplied by the generator. Failed to do that in my mind. The guy running around with an infrared detector aimed at various things like insulators etc is another source of confusion. Then there is the resort to invoking Tesla's name. I personally feel that Tesla was getting some sort of nuclear reactions going in his spark gaps. Instead of excessive heat he was getting excessive current. Beta radiation is an electron moving at some large fraction of the speed of light. I would imagine that enough beta particles moving in a concerted manner could be qualified as an electrical current. Motion of charged particles is influenced by an external magnetic field. Tesla employed magnetically quenched gaps. What if the magnetic field was not intended to blow out the plasma but to direct the beta particles to the anode. This would result in more current hitting the other side of the gap than initiated from the power source.
Seems like Gerard has reared his head at energetic forums, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy-16.html#post273338 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy-16.html#post273338)
Below is what he wrote. He was too busy to read the thread and gave no advice. He seems to be talking about something else to me, not the pole pigs and the generator? Weird...
""Hi Everyone.. Gerard here.
We had a bit of a problem guys, but we're back on track now.
DC controllers, and ignition controllers.. I have now a much better understanding and another level, of understanding of why I was hung up.
We had a bit of a delay on our progress..
DC 3-phase, is not a true 3-phase system, changed to whole system when it comes down to the controllers.
The person who deals with much of my internet related stuff has read the entire thread.. and relayed some of it to me. I have not had the time to read the entire thread. My purpose coming here is to touch base, let you know I will be here occasionally and will have someone actively checking here, and I'll share updates, with everyone, possibly answer some questions in time.
I may also ask questions, as well as ask with assistance locating certain parts or materials. I know you guys will be good at finding things.
So hello Everyone.. more to come in the future.
Right now it's crunch time, testing is happening soon the generator I'm working on.
""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cmuJ15K69Zw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cmuJ15K69Zw)
Mini-pole pig experiment conducted by Hitby13KW, complete with data! http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy-17.html
It will be interesting to see him conduct the same experiment using the real pole pigs. :o
Great to see some experiments happening. Two improvements would be to ditch the HT coil cables as they are normally do not have copper cores but high resistance material instead, and to use only analog meters. Digitals are way too prone to interference with all those HT pulses around.