Here it is fellas, very impressive set up, easy to replicate, nothing is being hidden! Has the cold electricity phenomena discovered by Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray resurfaced in a method that is just too simple to believe? They claim any transformers will do. Important to note that the generator supplying the input is brush less, and needs to be for an exact replication effort.
Who is going to be the first to claim the overunity prize with a couple of modified MOT's powered by a battery?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY
The second photo is of Gerard's prior art that paved the way to the tank transformers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8
Also a 'must see' is the video of the sun's 'naked eye' plasma discharge on Dec 23rd, 2014
Visit http://revelation12.ca and scroll down on the main page to the first embedded video. This event is very astounding!
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This guy has no clue of what he is doing lest what he is talking about.
Where is the calorimetric proof of measuring the temperatur of the heaters under repeatable controlled conditions, i.e heating up a room in a certain time ?
Where is proof that the heaters run on full power... no measurements just blah blah about radiation
Kator01
Quote from: Kator01 on December 26, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
This guy has no clue of what he is doing lest what he is talking about.
Where is the calorimetric proof of measuring the temperatur of the heaters under repeatable controlled conditions, i.e heating up a room in a certain time ?
Where is proof that the heaters run on full power... no measurements just blah blah about radiation
Kator01
Violates all known laws of physics, right? One day soon when the Lord begins to roar like a lion, people are going to realize that man's laws of physics do not even begin to scratch the surface!
No.
he did´nt violate any law. No necessity to wait for a lord to come and bring hithero unkown laws to mankind. We will do it ourself...but not this way and not by this man..he is simply claiming irrational stuff delivering no proof. He is not even measuring the heaters but measuring with
his infrared meter the cold sky ...uh ?
This is the most preposterous presentation I have seen since years.
Kator01
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 26, 2014, 01:00:34 PM
Here it is fellas, very impressive set up, easy to replicate, nothing is being hidden! Has the cold electricity phenomena discovered by Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray resurfaced in a method that is just too simple to believe? They claim any transformers will do. Important to note that the generator supplying the input is brush less, and needs to be for an exact replication effort.
Who is going to be the first to claim the overunity prize with a couple of MOT's powered by a battery?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY
It is a bad joke.
Quote from: Kator01 on December 26, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
No.
he did´nt violate any law. No necessity to wait for a lord to come and bring hithero unkown laws to mankind. We will do it ourself...but not this way and not by this man..he is simply claiming irrational stuff delivering no proof. He is not even measuring the heaters but measuring with
his infrared meter the cold sky ...uh ?
This is the most preposterous presentation I have seen since years.
Kator01
Go watch his other video, he has been doing a lot of work. The tank transformers are just the latest development of what he has been doing. Cold electricity does not fit inside the box we are all used to looking at.
Quote from: MarkE on December 26, 2014, 04:14:03 PM
It is a bad joke.
It is not a joke. Watch his other videos, are you not familiar with Floyd Sweet and Ev Grays experiments?
Here is some of the Lord's handiwork taking place right now! Have any of you seen the sun's astounding 'naked eye' plasma energy event given on Dec 23rd?
Scroll down the page at this site and take a look at the first embedded video... http://revelation12.ca
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 26, 2014, 04:41:11 PM
Go watch his other video, he has been doing a lot of work. The tank transformers are just the latest development of what he has been doing. Cold electricity does not fit inside the box we are all used to looking at.
The man's experiment set-up is completely incapable of evidencing his claims. It is a joke whether he is sincere in his beliefs or not.
Oh dear! :(
The guy is too thick to be for real. And his side kick physicist is more likely to be a farmhand. I enjoyed the video though, so thanks for that!
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 26, 2014, 04:43:03 PM
Lord's handiwork taking place right now!
The lord has a sense of humor. Lets hope the lord cometh soon and slap some sense into this clown.
MarkE is right-this has to be a bad joke.
Oh dear indeed Hoppy
No, I am afraid it is not a joke. Gerard Morin believes in himself, totally.
Most of his videos are TLDW, but here is a relatively short one that captures most of the essence of Morin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEOX6AU7z8
1. Doesn't understand what the "1.1 A-H" label rating of his batteries actually means
2. Claims 400 kV output from the system, with clipleads scattered about on his table and fingers touching stuff
3. Cites whatever numbers he likes from his complaining and rapidly fluctuating clampon meter
4. Admits that there is EMI (He calls it EMF) affecting his thermometer, which is also beeping madly at him
5. Makes no input power measurements, since he thinks that the batteries can only deliver 1.1 A (from the 1.1 A-H label rating)
6. Feel free to add to this list of "facepalm moments".
If he took the output of the final transformer that is feeding his lightbulbs, and put his finger to it, he'd find out what "cold electricity" really means, as tiny wisps of burning skin smoke waft up from his fingertips.
In comments to the video, he has complained about my cheap meters which show accurate measurements, while denying that his more expensive clampon is affected by the EMI from his testing. I'd love to see him using an oscilloscope. Maybe some of his fanbase will donate enough money to him so he can buy a 3,000 dollar DSO and demonstrate how to abuse it.
It's simple how his stuff works. I've got his "generator"somewhere in my lab. It is an AC motor using magnets as either stator or rotor (I can't remember which). In reverse it's an ac generator of approx 240 volts up or down depending on his motor speed.
So the output is approximately mains electricity with a lot of variation depending on his motor speed.
Good luck to him he might stumble on something useful but not for me right now.
Thanks Gerard Morin for your astonishing breakthrough in cold electricity which you are calling radiation energy. I really enjoyed your additional demonstrations and experiments in your other videos that obviously led you to this discovery. It is refreshing to see someone open source their work for the benefit of all, rather than bowing down to vanity and the almighty dollar.
I found your tank transformer demonstration very impressive and also well thought out. It is unfortunate that you and your associate did not think to point the temperature probe at the heaters to demonstrate that they were loading. I do understand your oversight in this however, which was probably due to your eagerness to show the mysterious cooling phenomena on the transformer insulator. Surely you were not thinking that people would somehow assume that you had nothing better to do than set up a falsified load test and post a video on YouTube in order to impress some people you do not even know. Which of course, would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I am very disappointed with the attitude of the armchair experts here on what is supposed to be a open discussion forum for overunity experiments. Mr Morin please pay no attention to them and please do not stop sharing what you have learned through applied research, and also by the grace of God, who guides one and all in their pursuit of knowledge, whether they realize it or not.
I look forward to your future demonstrations and also the coming replications of your fantastic breakthrough.
In the meantime may those who maliciously deride your experiments in great ignorance take a moment to reflect upon our Blessed Saviour's words from His sermon on the mount.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
No breakthrough, cold electricity doesn't exist. The clip is a joke. Why? Why? WhyWhyWhyWhyWhy? sob!
Blessed is the truth.
Blessed is the rational thinking man.
It is OBVIOUSLY a Real Working Unit.
Most of the "Nay Sayers" here are INCAPABLE of recognizing Overunity, even if it BIT THEM in the REAR!! LOL
You "Nay Sayers" & Trolls should really Wise Up & be thankful for this contribution to Help The World!
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Quote from: MileHigh on December 28, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
No breakthrough, cold electricity doesn't exist.
So you are saying as well that Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray are just figments of our imagination?
Mass production soon! lol
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 28, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
So you are saying as well that Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray are just figments of our imagination?
Whatever Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray have to say about "cold electricity" is not true. The concept is laughable. There is just "electricity."
Any Floyd or Ev systems running right now in the world producing useful free energy?
Quote from: FatBird on December 28, 2014, 08:04:43 AM
It is Obviously a Real Working Unit.
Most of the "Nay Sayers" here are INCAPABLE of recognizing Overunity, even if it BIT THEM in the REAR!! LOL
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If you believe you see the inside track to the future then you can:
* Give these guys money.
* Use their device to replace your utility connection.
Quote from: MarkE on December 28, 2014, 08:16:59 AM
If you believe you see the inside track to the future then you can:
* Give these guys money.
* Use their device to replace your utility connection.
No one is asking for any money and no one is asking anyone to do anything, the gentleman is merely sharing what he has learned....this is an open forum to discuss experiments and findings in alternative forms of energy production.... this is why the website is called overunity.com
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 28, 2014, 08:28:33 AM
No one is asking for any money and no one is asking anyone to do anything, the gentleman is merely sharing what he has learned....this is an open forum to discuss experiments and findings in alternative forms of energy production.... this is why the website is called overunity.com
His claims are speak for themselves:
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It is OBVIOUSLY a Real Working Unit.
Most of the "Nay Sayers" here are INCAPABLE of recognizing Overunity, even if it BIT THEM in the REAR!! LOL
You "Nay Sayers" & Trolls should really Wise Up & be thankful for this contribution to Help The World!
He said that the contraption is "OBVIOUSLY a Real Working Unit". Since he is convinced of that idea I have suggested that he take advantage of what he claims.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 28, 2014, 08:14:04 AM
Whatever Floyd Sweet and Ev Gray have to say about "cold electricity" is not true. The concept is laughable. There is just "electricity."
Any Floyd or Ev systems running right now in the world producing useful free energy?
You are 'grasping at straws' friend.....so is Mark E....
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 28, 2014, 08:48:33 AM
You are 'grasping at straws' friend.....so is Mark E....
As with all such claims before Morin's: Time will tell. Would you care to guess what story it will write?
It's people like Morin who give the free energy movement a bad name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29SRzaJBu48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29SRzaJBu48)
All this replication is doing is generating mains voltage to light a bulb. No OU here.
His 2 transformer vid:
1: Voltage above 3,000 volts exists outside the wires. (Steinmetz - google and read)
2 High voltage - 24,000 volts - will use the wire like a high speed train uses railway lines, except
there is no resistance to speak of, so the wires do not get hot.
3 High voltage produces a cool ion breeze. (ever heard of an ioniser??)
4 The cool ion breeze acts like a fan and cools the transformer.
5 The heaters are not calibrated - so we don't know how much power was consumed.
6 They appeal for investors. hmmm. enough said?
7 Don't quote the scriptures at me - I may know them better than you for all you know.
This forum has nothing to do with religion.
Ok, let's take a break here, if Morin measures his input ( voltage and current ) of the transformer with an analog meter and if he do the same with the output of his transformer going directly to the loads ( voltage and current ) you can just calculate the power ratio, out divided by input. For a stand alone system, it's not important measuring the phase shift, vars, etc... as long as you can heat your home ! Remember the TK experiment with the 3 transformer, it's simple you will laugh. So i'm asking him to make those measurements, show them that's it. His generator can make 120 and 240, it's important, he measures the current in and out. You dont have to make formulas and all that stuff, just that for me it's enough to tell us he can use a gasifier, his generator, transformer and the loads.
Yeah but just the fact that you have to ask him to make proper measurements is a red flag right there. There is a "suspension of disbelief in deception" going on here. It's amazing when you think about how many clips can generate such a buzz when the clips don't show proper measurements and many of them barely even mention it at all.
Then there is the mass hysteria for things like the QEG where it was "taken for granted" that it worked.
Watch out for that Kool-Aid.
He asked for explanations about cold electricity and I gave them to him. How? Because I've done the experiments.
I even have a voltmeter that can measure 30,000 volts which Morin says doesn't exist.
I like his enthusiasm, but it has to be based on reality.
He wanted answers so let us hope he begins to understand them, and discovers something real.
All he has to do is power his device using batteries and an electric motor-generator. Then feed the output to a second set of batteries, and swop.
That will tell him and us all he/we need(s) to know.
Quote from: a.king21 on December 28, 2014, 10:10:05 AM
It's people like Morin who give the free energy movement a bad name.
Agreed! Fortunately, his videos are so way off reality, that those viewers with just an iota understanding of electrical principles will just laugh. In one of his silly videos, his mathematician friend suggested that his below zero beeping IR temperature reading was likely false but Morin is so off beam that he will probably never accept this.
Electricity is only one, there cannot be two different electricities. However , we all know that low frequency and high frequency electric currents have different properties. That is what kept us blind for century, because electricity is nothign more then electromagnetic wave acting on conductor electrons.
Quote from: forest on December 28, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
Electricity is only one, there cannot be two different electricities. However , we all know that low frequency and high frequency electric currents have different properties. That is what kept us blind for century, because electricity is nothign more then electromagnetic wave acting on conductor electrons.
I agree except for the "kept us blind for a century" part. That sort of a "free energy folklore." Let the truth be known.
The study of electricity starts at DC and then goes all the way up the spectrum as far as you practically need to go. All of it is studied. You must have seen a chart of the electromagnetic spectrum.
That's a fine chart but it leaves some things out. I like this version better:
(thanks, xkcd!)
What about the ELECTROSTATIC spectrum???
What's an electrostatic spectrum?
Rookie.....
Quote from: ramset on December 28, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
Rookie.....
Notice the big spike on the left at zero Hertz.
you didn't understood 8) like you didn't understood Tesla radiant energy receiver patent
we can disconnect EM from the source of electrons and pull electrons from open path (Earth ground)
this decoupling is already done in radio transmitters
how do you use antenna gain without transmitting ?
Quote from: forest on December 29, 2014, 04:40:06 AM
you didn't understood 8) like you didn't understood Tesla radiant energy receiver patent
we can disconnect EM from the source of electrons and pull electrons from open path (Earth ground)
this decoupling is already done in radio transmitters
how do you use antenna gain without transmitting ?
Do you think that radio requires electrons from the earth? If that is what you believe, why do you think it is that your cell phone, or any battery operated Blue Tooth device do not require a connection to earth?
Guys, you know I am not notoriously sceptical, but for this time I got to agree with the naysayers.
Most likely it's a trick. He throws in a lot of pseudo scientific wording, catch phrases like good old tesla.
For instance he shows an Arc of max. 10mm and says it was 400'000 Volts. But that was just 10'000 volts. He obviously doesn't know that much about the subject. Which contradicts the way he presents himself as ubersmart. Couple of other lapsae, like "creating energy"...
Then he says if somebody would give him a couple of hundred gran, we would have selfpowered cars within 10 months...
He shows a power cell that , as he says, was inside his mysterious electron modifier thingie, reveals generously that it's made of magnets, but then does not explain what it does or how it really works... far from open source.
I wish I could believe this guy, but it's hard.
Peace
BTW. there are indeed two kinds of electricity, traversal and longitudal, but that is an other story.
Quote from: forest on December 28, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
Electricity is only one, there cannot be two different electricities. However , we all know that low frequency and high frequency electric currents have different properties. That is what kept us blind for century, because electricity is nothign more then electromagnetic wave acting on conductor electrons.
Cold electricity demonstration..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGkZIx4rseE
Lighting an incandescent bulb while holding leads in his hands.....
Here is an amazing display of a very exotic 'cold electricity' induction technique and also 'one wire' transmission of cold electricity! Wonder why this guy disappeared after posting his videos..... just sayin...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4EoJ4UwU8E
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 29, 2014, 08:23:38 AM
Cold electricity demonstration..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGkZIx4rseE
Lighting an incandescent bulb while holding leads in his hands.....
It looks like ordinary induction. What is supposed to be special?
Fine. But this has nothing to do with Morin.
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 29, 2014, 08:27:45 AM
Here is an amazing display of a very exotic 'cold electricity' induction technique and also 'one wire' transmission of cold electricity! Wonder why this guy disappeared after posting his videos..... just sayin...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4EoJ4UwU8E
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Again, I am not seeing anything that looks special. What is the claimed special behavior?
@Mark E
QuoteAgain, I am not seeing anything that looks special. What is the claimed
special behavior?
You need to be an expert to see those cold electricities which are made of gravitons and zipons. Why if we got our wires crossed every time we turn on the switch we might fall on our heads due to gravy-zipo transdjuctions... which explains a lot of things. He's done got his wires crossed.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on December 29, 2014, 09:39:20 AM
@Mark EYou need to be an expert to see those cold electricities which are made of gravitons and zipons. Why if we got our wires crossed every time we turn on the switch we might fall on our heads due to gravy-zipo transdjuctions... which explains a lot of things. He's done got his wires crossed.
AC
I forgot all about zipon subduction zones.
Quote from: forest on December 29, 2014, 04:40:06 AM
you didn't understood 8) like you didn't understood Tesla radiant energy receiver patent
we can disconnect EM from the source of electrons and pull electrons from open path (Earth ground)
this decoupling is already done in radio transmitters
how do you use antenna gain without transmitting ?
You don't even need the earth. You can couple the current to space. The output of the transmitter can be a transformer with an open secondary. The secondary wires go to two lengths of wires each 1/4 wavelength - a dipole. Magically all power to the transformer, even kilowatts, disappears.
The earth is sometimes used as a mirror for a 1/4 wave vertical antenna. Its called a Marconi antenna. There is no more pulling of electrons than there is from the 1/4 wavelenth piece of wire it replaces.
Antenna gain is by the ingenious use of tuned lengths of wires, which when receiving a signal interact constructively in some direction. Tesla did nothing OU, he wanted to send power for free, but the power was made by generators.
Quote from: allcanadian on December 29, 2014, 09:39:20 AM
@Mark EYou need to be an expert to see those cold electricities which are made of gravitons and zipons. Why if we got our wires crossed every time we turn on the switch we might fall on our heads due to gravy-zipo transdjuctions... which explains a lot of things. He's done got his wires crossed.
AC
If you worship your clamp meter anything is possible. ;D
Quote from: Hoppy on December 29, 2014, 11:24:17 AM
If you worship your clamp meter anything is possible. ;D
I tried sacrificing reels of 30AWG wire to mine. It didn't help. Maybe the problem was that the insulation was recycled and not virgin.
Quote from: MarkE on December 29, 2014, 08:44:19 AM
It looks like ordinary induction. What is supposed to be special?
This ridiculous belief in "cold electricity" is yet another thing that prevents learning and hurts experimenters by feeding them garbage when they might not know that it's garbage. It's just another thing that stagnates people and prevents them from thinking.
@Mark E
QuoteI tried sacrificing reels of 30AWG wire to mine. It didn't help. Maybe the problem was that the insulation was recycled and not virgin.
Oh Sweet Jesus... I need to check my insulation, be right back. Nope it's virgin because when I tried to grab my wire it slapped me.. all is well.
QuoteThis ridiculous belief in "cold electricity" is yet another thing that prevents learning and hurts experimenters by feeding them garbage when they might not know that it's garbage. It's just another thing that stagnates people and prevents them from thinking.
It's not ludicrous it's just common sense. Get a big bucket of cold water and stand in it naked when its 30 below zero outside then grab a live extension cord. Place the extension cord in the water... Do you feel cold?, well there's your answer... cold electricities.
You will need to be buck naked, wear a hat just in case it snows and hold a butterfly net in your left hand just in case you see a Zipon... I'm sure you will see many.
AC
Not all white insulated wire is virgin wire. If the wire slaps you once but doesn't object when you heat up your soldering iron, then you may not be dealing with true virgin wire.
You might feel lots of things before you go cold as a result of that experiment.
here will be an actual replication and some data collected for evaluation
happening on a few threads over there
one member has stepped up to the plate "Hitby13KW"
maybe we should call him Sparky.....!:'}
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19918-gerard-morins-video-doubt-about-overunity-over-4.html#post269018 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19918-gerard-morins-video-doubt-about-overunity-over-4.html#post269018)
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy.html#post269001 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy.html#post269001)
and I support this approach 10000 percent [that may actually be over unity support :o ]
maybe you two should get a room....
thx
Chet
Facepalm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhQxwwXgxM
Morin has absolutely no clue about what he is doing, and after reading those threads on EF... 90 percent of the posters there don't either.
Quote from: MileHigh on December 29, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
This ridiculous belief in "cold electricity" is yet another thing that prevents learning and hurts experimenters by feeding them garbage when they might not know that it's garbage. It's just another thing that stagnates people and prevents them from thinking.
Exactly.
Or....
you can encourage replication of an _anomaly_ as thoroughly and quickly as possible
and _then_ offer to investigate said claim...
here there is an opportunity to do just that....
no stone left unturned....
thx
Chet
Hi. To me it looks like high inductance of his pump motor used as a generator here causes CEMF delay when on load, reducing load on a prime mover DC motor. And the same thing happens with those can transformers. Thane's AUL effect is based on high inductance generator coils too, with a long rise time of currents to get to a point of RPM/frequency threshold, where CEMF from the generator is phase shifted 90 deg. reducing EMF requirements for the system to operate in that range of speed.
Listen closely of what he is saying here, showing the gen part: showing the gen part (http://"http://youtu.be/Ydvic9aG5BE?t=22m3s")
"When you start it it has a lot resistance but when you spin it fast the resistance goes away"...
I think that he means resistance as in resistance to turn the generator as in friction. Off course when under a load condition. And it goes away as the phase angle is increasing with high RPM.
kEhYo
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 12:21:16 PM
Or....
you can encourage replication of an _anomaly_ as thoroughly and quickly as possible
and _then_ offer to investigate said claim...
here there is an opportunity to do just that....
no stone left unturned....
thx
Chet
First there would need to be an anomaly to reproduce.
Quote from: TinselKoala on December 30, 2014, 12:03:41 PM
Facepalm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhQxwwXgxM
Morin has absolutely no clue about what he is doing, and after reading those threads on EF... 90 percent of the posters there don't either.
In that video he clearly shows that he does not understand what he has wired and what his measurements mean.
Quote from: MarkE on December 30, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
In that video he clearly shows that he does not understand what he has wired and what his measurements mean.
I agree with you that this man is not putting his thoughts into clear, well defined terms and accepted in physics but
he stumbled upon an effect and the effect is there, he just doesn't really know where it comes from so he says all those 'radiant' things.
Mark E
Your point is quite clear ,you've hammered it home sooo many times it gets quite hard to see thru the
splatter...
so just relax..."Don't worry...Be happy" you almost appear to care.... or worry at times ?
Chill !
thx
Chet
Chet I wonder what you believe the anomaly to be? What can you cite as anything unusual demonstrated by Mr. Morin, and what do you think is unusual about it that you would like to see investigated?
Mark
What _belief_ are you talking about?
I want to see the replication and am very grateful that Hitby13KW is going to spend his time and money to do that,and he seems like the type of fellow that will see it ALL the way thru , and he is approachable
and available for comments and questions...
OUR kinda Guy....
thx
Chet
Mark E
I personally have a few beliefs ...
innocent until proven guilty is where I start from
you have a claim ,I will treat you like a gentlemen and help you properly measure it[connect you with that resource] ,or if need be get a resource to you to do this in person or [not preferred]
to replicate the Device or concept and do the evaluation from there..
But I will never assume anything as long as a man is willing to allow investigation of his [or her]
claim.
it is true that once someone refuses an invitation to investigate their claim [an untested claim]
I would be apprehensive about supporting that claim.
to date this has never happened [some are ongoing]
But I've said this dozens of times and in many different ways...
I just felt like saying it yet again....
capeesh.....?
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 12:21:16 PM
Or....
you can encourage replication of an _anomaly_ as thoroughly and quickly as possible
and _then_ offer to investigate said claim...
here there is an opportunity to do just that....
no stone left unturned....
thx
Chet
OK, eliminate the word "belief" and just tell us what "anomaly" Morin has presented.
The only anomaly that I can detect in anything he has presented is that some people, including him, believe he is presenting something anomalous.
He has presented:
electromagnetic interference to his instrumentation
pick-and-choose numbers from wildly fluctuating instrument indications
erroneous readings from an IR thermometer, not corroborated by alternate methods of measurement
a motor driven by another motor so that it acts as a generator
AC voltage increases by transformers
AC voltage decreases by transformers
"nameplate" load values rather than actual measurements
misunderstanding what "Amp-hours" of battery capacity actually means
unwarranted assumptions and mangled terminology
no actual valid input-output power measurements
And what else? Will someone please tell me what is to get all excited about here?
I invite Morin, or any prospective "replicator", to measure my TinselKoil VII output using the same techniques and "interpretations" used by Morin.
24 VDC input from two 5 A-H batteries, and this is the output:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsChNrBn5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk)
Now, that is so much "overunity" by the definitions that these claimants seem to be using, that it isn't even funny. Those marks on the ruler are _inches_ .
His level of misunderstanding is astounding and I find it hard to understand how he has got to this sad situation. He comes across so sincere in his belief that his instruments are giving accurate readings and I suspect that he is too deep into electric fairy land to be helped back to reality with advice on where he has gone wrong in his understanding of what is going on with his motor / generator device and his interpretation of the readings his instruments are giving. :(
Quote from: kEhYo77 on December 30, 2014, 01:14:51 PM
I agree with you that this man is not putting his thoughts into clear, well defined terms and accepted in physics but
he stumbled upon an effect and the effect is there, he just doesn't really know where it comes from so he says all those 'radiant' things.
The effects shown in the video are quite ordinary and expected.
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Mark
What _belief_ are you talking about?
Chet I asked you what
anomaly you think Morin shows:
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Or....
you can encourage replication of an _anomaly_ as thoroughly and quickly as possible
and _then_ offer to investigate said claim...
here there is an opportunity to do just that....
no stone left unturned....
thx
Chet
Please explain what
anomaly you believe Morin demonstrates.
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I want to see the replication and am very grateful that Hitby13KW is going to spend his time and money to do that,and he seems like the type of fellow that will see it ALL the way thru , and he is approachable
and available for comments and questions...
OUR kinda Guy....
thx
Chet
Does he have a much better grasp of basic electronics than Mr. Morin? Does he understand what connecting a 40W rated light bulb or a 60W rated light bulb in series with a large transformer does?
it must Hurt??,is it painfull... ::)
the wait...
here we have a guy thats gonna investigate this mans claim ,free of charge...
if it hurts too much to watch ...
LOOKAWAY ..... :o
or change the channel..[OH I"LL BET MONEY YOU CAN"T DO THAT....
we can see yah squirmin from here...
you fellahs gotta chill and let this run its coarse ...
aren't there any good soap operas on these days??
football??
very very impatient ...
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
Mark E
I personally have a few beliefs ...
innocent until proven guilty is where I start from
Do you also believe: "Any arbitrary claim is true until explicitly disproven?"
you have a claim ,I will treat you like a gentlemen and help you properly measure it[connect you with that resource] ,or if need be get a resource to you to do this in person or [not preferred]
to replicate the Device or concept and do the evaluation from there..[/quote]Morin offers several claims leading to his big one: a claim of free energy. His claims are at direct odds with established understanding. Given that you espouse "innocent until proven guilty" Why do you act in apparent contradiction by entertaining Morin's accusations against established understanding without proof that established understanding is guilty of being wrong in the ways that Morin alleges?
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But I will never assume anything as long as a man is willing to allow investigation of his [or her]
claim.
Unfortunately that statement is not true. We all rely on countless assumptions in order to make it through our daily lives. Maybe what you mean is that: "You will entertain any individual's claim on their word alone, so long as they tell you that they will let you investigate." These are only suggested words. I'd like you to explain your intent in your own words.
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it is true that once someone refuses an invitation to investigate their claim [an untested claim]
I would be apprehensive about supporting that claim.
to date this has never happened [some are ongoing]
I am sure that there are quite a few people who interpret GDS' repeated refusals to allow actual investigations or even inspections in the here and now to qualify as ... refusals. You can believe that GDS will ultimately allow detailed inspection of their devices just like you can believe that John Rohner was ever going to show a working engine to his manufacturers or investors, or that the tooth fairy is busy shoving coins under the pillows of sleeping children.
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But I've said this dozens of times and in many different ways...
I just felt like saying it yet again....
capeesh.....?
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
it must Hurt??,is it painfull... ::)
the wait...
here we have a guy thats gonna investigate this mans claim ,free of charge...
if it hurts too much to watch ...
LOOKAWAY ..... :o
or change the channel..[OH I"LL BET MONEY YOU CAN"T DO THAT....
we can see yah squirmin from here...
you fellahs gotta chill and let this run its coarse ...
aren't there any good soap operas on these days??
football??
very very impatient ...
Don't you think the skills of the individual performing the investigation are relevant to the likelihood that his / her findings will be reliable?
Mark E
if it helps you to take "the court of law" model
if not...?
I really don't care ..at all...
*EDIT I do care that you understand ,I just will not deviate from my methods for your sake.
I have certain standards which I live by and they work for me...and most of the civilized world when practiced....
But this I will guarantee you...when HitBy13KW gets this running, he will be _approachable_[BY THOSE THAT RESPECT HIS EFFORTS]
and he will perform all necessary tests [within reason] to put this to rest one way or the other.
end of story...
and for myself..I got nothing but "gratitude"...[its a word you should look up]
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
Mark E
if it helps you to take "the court of law" model
if not...?
I really don't care ..at all...
Does not the "court of law model" also apply to established claims? What makes them no longer true merely on someone's say so?
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*EDIT I do care that you understand ,I just will not deviate from my methods for your sake.
I have certain standards which I live by and they work for me...and most of the civilized world when practiced....
But this I will guarantee you...when HitBy13KW gets this running, he will be _approachable_[BY THOSE THAT RESPECT HIS EFFORTS]
and he will perform all necessary tests [within reason] to put this to rest one way or the other.
That sounds quite honorable of him. It does not address my question as to whether he has appropriate skills or not.
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end of story...
and for myself..I got nothing but "gratitude"...[its a word you should look up]
thx
Chet
This thread looks like its set for a good innings! ;D
There is a rival team working in a secret location!
They also refurbish Daleks as a sideline. 8)
I have a pink unicorn in my backyard. (Thanks TK)
Of course, if you look at it, it will not look pink nor will it look like a unicorn...but...you just do not know how to look correctly.
Some guy on the EF forum is going to replicate my unicorn so, there is your proof. Enough said.
If you doubt me then you are short sighted and do not care about the planet nor anyone else but yourself. Also, if the EF guy can not replicate my unicorn then, he just lacked the skills but, since he tried to, it proves I am correct.
Is this seriously the level of "scientific" reasoning that we have degraded to?
What ever happened to real proof? Hell, Chet could not even name, nor describe, the anomaly that was "demonstrated" in the videos but, he is sure it is going to help mankind. And, not knowing what that anomaly is does not matter because some guy on the EF forum is going to replicate it and hopefully get this same unknown/unnamed anomaly?
God help us.
Bill
@MH
QuoteThere is a rival team working in a secret location!They also refurbish Daleks as a sideline.
I have to admit I did laugh out load when I read your post. two thumbs up.
You know it is strange that so many seem to take themselves so seriously and we make a little fun to liven things up and people come unglued. It is not so much what they believe but how they represent what they believe in my opinion. I'm glad there are still people around that aren't afraid to ask the hard questions and stir the pot a bit.
I understand I can go a little to far with my sarcastic sense of humor but I hope everyone understands there is no ill intent behind it, just the opposite and if I go to far I apologize in advance.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year everyone.
AC
There is something about higher frequencies that wont shock you as easily. this is just the characteristics of (high frequency high voltage ) much safer than 60 hz high voltage. This is what the big big secret all the buzz about cold electricity, its not really cold just not as shocking. has been know for many years but we still use the 60hz because the transformers work more efficiently at 50,60 hz frequencies. This video is completely in the 6th grade level. Generator runs a step up transformer then a step-down transformer. Turns on an unloaded saw.. so amp draw very minimal. Load that bad boy down cutting a salt treated 6x6 to get 1500watt. That was the first red flag. The second red flag was the saw slowing down as he turned on more heating elements.. this means voltage was falling off & therefore watts of heater as well possible to the 60 -100 volt range judging from the unloaded saw. so now we have maybe 3 heaters at around 900 watt each an unloaded saw at 200 watt or so.. we are right in the range of a 4 hp motor. Completely normal operation. Since he made no input output measurements, that is red flag number 3. O yeah and the final nail in the coffin was its not looped if he has so much power why not run the generator from an electric motor. 3 red flags and a nail in the coffin equals total bullshit. Sad thing is it seems from the video he actually believes he is over-unity somehow.
Quote from: Bat1Robin2 on December 31, 2014, 12:22:48 AM
There is something about higher frequencies that wont shock you as easily. this is just the characteristics of (high frequency high voltage ) much safer than 60 hz high voltage. This is what the big big secret all the buzz about cold electricity, its not really cold just not as shocking. has been know for many years but we still use the 60hz because the transformers work more efficiently at 50,60 hz frequencies. This video is completely in the 6th grade level. Generator runs a step up transformer then a step-down transformer. Turns on an unloaded saw.. so amp draw very minimal. Load that bad boy down cutting a salt treated 6x6 to get 1500watt. That was the first red flag. The second red flag was the saw slowing down as he turned on more heating elements.. this means voltage was falling off & therefore watts of heater as well possible to the 60 -100 volt range judging from the unloaded saw. so now we have maybe 3 heaters at around 900 watt each an unloaded saw at 200 watt or so.. we are right in the range of a 4 hp motor. Completely normal operation. Since he made no input output measurements, that is red flag number 3. O yeah and the final nail in the coffin was its not looped if he has so much power why not run the generator from an electric motor. 3 red flags and a nail in the coffin equals total bullshit. Sad thing is it seems from the video he actually believes he is over-unity somehow.
RF imparts current just as easily as LF. The difference is that your nervous system doesn't register it. So you may not feel an incapacitating shock, and your muscles might not seize, but your tissues can get cooked just as easily.
You want data on the Gerard Morin experiments?
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALB8ZF_swU
Quote from: Dog-One on December 31, 2014, 01:34:49 AM
You want data on the Gerard Morin experiments?
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALB8ZF_swU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALB8ZF_swU)
Good vid. Proves what I've said all along.
However, the idea of stepping up voltage and stepping down again reminds me of Don Smith's ideas.
My opinion is that they need to step up the frequency into the khz region.
Pity he couldn't get a light bulb to light, that's the easy part.
Quote from: Dog-One on December 31, 2014, 01:34:49 AM
You want data on the Gerard Morin experiments?
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALB8ZF_swU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALB8ZF_swU)
Some notes:
It's a mistake to rely on the power supply's built-in meters for power measurements. They are there for the purpose of setting the PSU to the researcher's desired voltage and current-limit range, but for any kind of quantitative measurement the voltage and current output should be measured in the usual way: by good high impedance voltmeter in parallel, and an inline low impedance ammeter or by monitoring voltage drop across an inline low-resistance current viewing resistor. Ideally this should be done with a good amount of smoothing capacitance in the output of the PSU.
In this particular "ballpark" case I'm not objecting too much, I do it myself when the input power isn't too important to what I'm showing, but it's something to bear in mind.
Next, note that the 60 watt light bulb puts a _greater load_ on the system than the dead short. Many people seem to think that a dead short represents the greatest load one can put on a generator. But it's not always the case, as I have repeatedly noted and as Russ's demonstration shows. See "maximum power transfer theorem" in your favorite reference library. This is also shown quite well when Russ hooks up the spark gap: The shorted gap is _less_ of a load than the opened gap with a spark happening in it.
Next, the voltage and current in the whole system are going to be nice sinusoidal AC, well behaved... UNTIL the spark gap is opened and making sparks. Then, all "hell" will break loose, with EMI, large HV spikes and all the measurement problems associated with those features. Yes, even "cold electricity", "radiant", that is more properly termed HV RF noise. You can see the PSU current meter fluctuating quite a bit when this starts, but the drive motor speed is constant. This means, I believe, that the meter is being affected by the EMI, not that the supply current to the motor is fluctuating that much.
Next, when the second HV transformer is connected _through the spark gap_ we now have a situation where an inductive load is being driven by a noisy, rapidly interrupted HV source. When this is done properly, using air-core tuned resonant inductors... you will experience some rather extreme phenomena, like Voltage Rise by Standing Wave Resonance (VRSWR) which is the basis of the standard Tesla Coil operation, with all the effects of such operation, like power transmission through space, vivid corona displays, "cold electricity" and so on. But in this case a cored coil is being driven without regard to resonant tuning, so the efficiencies of a true Tesla Coil system will not be attained. But... as is demonstrated, the EMI still adversely affects instruments in the near vicinity.
Next, the apparatus now is producing HF RF with a lot of noise (both audio and radio noise, but it's the radio frequency noise that is significant). There is no longer a purely sinusoidal signal in the system after the spark gap. Under these conditions, wires are no longer just "wires", they are also significant inductances, and also antennae for radiating and receiving the EMI from the noisy spark-gap-driven heavier inductors. Now it is even affecting the tachometer-- in order to get a display the instrument apparently has to be moved away from the radiators.
Next, when there is an arc happening in the vapor lamp, its resistance is quite low. As the demonstration shows at every stage, a direct short, or low resistance, is actually _less_ of a load on the system than are loads of higher impedance.
Russ, I know you have an oscilloscope or two. One wonders why you did not simply use a scope to provide a continuous and accurate monitoring of the actual frequency of the output of the AC generator, which would give you a precise RPM value, without having to hold the tachometer or struggle with its errors. When the system includes the opened spark gap, there are things happening that you can only see by using another oscilloscope, monitoring various nodes in the circuit.
Thank you for putting together this demonstration. I'm looking forward to the next iteration, and I hope you will show some scoposcopy. There is nothing that says "Free Energy" like squiggly colored lines... or not.
;)
--TK
Tinsel
Thank you for your input
truly appreciated.
respectfully
Chet
I did this test with capacitors in parallel I get better results see diagram
Quote from: Ed morbus on January 02, 2015, 12:39:47 PM
I did this test with capacitors in parallel I get better results see diagram
Care to tell us the results?
(This video is completely in the 6th grade level. Generator runs a step up transformer then a step-down transformer. Turns on an unloaded saw.. so amp draw very minimal. Load that bad boy down cutting a salt treated 6x6 to get 1500watt. That was the first red flag. The second red flag was the saw slowing down as he turned on more heating elements.. this means voltage was falling off & therefore watts of heater as well possible to the 60 -100 volt range judging from the unloaded saw. so now we have maybe 3 heaters at around 900 watt each an unloaded saw at 200 watt or so.. we are right in the range of a 4 hp motor.)
The McCulloch pancake generators are very inefficient mechanically, they have a large magnetic flywheel as opposed to more efficient generators which employ a small rotor. However the induction efficiency should be fairly decent, and they should produce a pure sine wave, as there is no ferrous core material, just air coils.
McCulloch produced four different models as far as hp/wattage goes. The three hp Briggs Stratton motor powered a 1200 watt model, the four hp a 1500 watt model, the 5 hp powered a 2000 watt model, and the 6 hp a 3300 watt model.
When Morin's amp meter displayed 11 amps, that was what he was truly putting into the transformer, at 110 volts, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1250 watts.
Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on January 02, 2015, 05:56:05 PM
When Morin's amp meter displayed 11 amps, that was what he was truly putting into the transformer, at 110 volts, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1250 watts.
Looking at the video again I see I was mistaken about the amperage reading... the meter shows the consumption to be quite low at 1.1 amp. It sure looks like an anomaly to me.