OK, I have a question that is eating me up, lol. Not really, but it is my #1 concern at present in life.
I would very much appreciate your replies.
Question: If I build and confirm a machine that runs by itself (recirculating its energy) in addition to generating useful power in the form of electricity, the machine is easy to build (relative to most machines on this forum), and the cost to build the machine is say $300 or $400, then would you promise to build it?
I need to know what I am up against. Will this be suppressed and the majority of people here will suddenly flood the forums on other topics in desperation of suppressing the above machine? Or will certain key people post that they just built it and say it does not work in an attempt to suppress?
I would really like to know who can promise to build it. You have my word that if and when I post that I have confirmed the smoking gun, a machine that runs by itself and generates "free energy" that I will not be mistaking. You already have my full name, but I will post even my middle name, location, phone #, where the machine will be demonstrated and the schedule ... everything, for free.
Presently I cannot guarantee any success as I am still researching my theory with experiments, but it sure would help if people could promise to build the machine given the above conditions and help populate the news to as many people as possible.
You have my word that if and when confirmed everything will be freely posted in full extreme detail.
Many thanks,
Paul Lowrance
EDIT: Just wanted to clarify that if and when this day occurs I will not be selling any such units. The mentioned price of $300 to $400 is simply your cost; i.e., the cost of parts. It will be public domain and everyone is encouraged to make and sell such units for profit or non-profit. I do not want to be classified as a scam artist so I cannot make any money off this until it becomes clear that the machine is not a fake. Then I would enjoy starting a company that would improve and sell such devices. And by all means, I would encourage everyone to do the same.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 03, 2006, 01:20:29 PM
OK, I have a question that is eating me up, lol. Not really, but it is my #1 concern at present in life.
I would very much appreciate your replies.
Question: If I build and confirm a machine that runs by itself (recalculating its energy) in addition to generating useful power in the form of electricity, the machine is easy to build (relative to most machines on this forum), and the cost to build the machine is say $300 or $400, then would you promise to build it?
I need to know what I am up against. Will this be suppressed and the majority of people here will suddenly flood the forums on other topics in desperation of suppressing the above machine? Or will certain key people post that they just built it and say it does not work in an attempt to suppress?
I would really like to know who can promise to build it. You have my word that if and when I post that I have confirmed the smoking gun, a machine that runs by itself and generates "free energy" that I will not be mistaking. You already have my full name, but I will post even my middle name, location, phone #, where the machine will be demonstrated and the schedule ... everything, for free.
Presently I cannot guarantee any success as I am still researching my theory with experiments, but it sure would help if people could promise to build the machine given the above conditions and help populate the news to as many people as possible.
You have my word that if and when confirmed everything will be freely posted in full extreme detail.
Many thanks,
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,
The newly formed Global Technology Review Board, after a couple small projects and some administrative matters (such as forming the board, setting up a forum, etc), can put in their agenda the construction and testing of your machine. I myself cannot afford to build anything at the present time. Once we have built and tested your device, we will publish the results. One thing to note is that before publishing the results, validation tests will be done at least twice by different "testers".
I would not be able to say how long this will be before we would get to building your device.
I hope that this satisfactory with respect to your claim.
Cheers,
John
I will help spread the word around as much as possible. starting with the Open Source communities, Religious Scientists, and ofcourse the Free Energy research communities.
peace
yo i build em ;D
migt be a bit cheaper for me because i have already a lot of stuff.
i will not only build it but also try to further devellop it so it spits out more power :)
Hi there Paul,
Well, I?d say ?Yes? if the device looks promising and parts can ?reasonably easy? be obtained (not that I will have to get some area51-grade plutonium or something ^_^). Then I am indeed interested of replicating it. I don?t know what is required but I have practically all the metal machining machines that one might need. Lathe, metal mill, that sorts of things. Plus I?m in touch with some quite respected and knowledgeable people in this field, I might say. So yeah I?ll most certainly replicate it.
Thanks for asking,
Steven
Thanks for all the great replies so far.
@Tao,
I'm very delighted to read your specific answer of $500. I will try my best to keep the total cost of parts below $500.
Just to let others know, I am not selling anything. What will happen after the "smoking gun" is confirmed is the exact build instructions will be freely publishing. Such build instructions will include a list of parts. I will try my best to include as many substitute parts consisting of a wide range of companies. You have my word that I have no affiliation with the companies and will make nothing. Most of the parts will be simple capacitors, inductors, resistors, mosfet's, standard copper wire, a fan, Aluminum foil for shielding, and a magnetic core. The main concern is the core (possibly Metglas) might be a little pricey. Hopefully a cheaper more common core will do the job well enough.
What will probably happen is several design scales will be published. So if you can only afford say $100 in parts then the machine will generate a smaller amount of "free energy." A lot of people here will probably have most of the parts.
Tao, that's a good idea to make sure the starting device, which will probably be a small battery, is completely removed from the device. Any ideas as to help eliminate any potential fraud and give people more comfort that it is the real deal is welcome. What about a tiny wimpy solar cell as the starting mechanism? A small solar cell can only generate a maximum power.
@Jowik,
I cannot express how comforting to read your post regarding your newly formed group. When that day arrives I would be honored to just ship you and your group a version of the machine. I understand your group probably operates over Internet. When this days occurs perhaps you could hold a meeting at a specific location for your group members who are local to you or who can afford to witness and test the machine.
@FreeEnergy,
It is people like you and the others here that will be the true heroes, IMHO! Nearly 7 billion people will need people such as yourself to spread the word.
@Marco,
I love your avatar picture. Very cool, lol. Are those parts? Looks like in that pic alone is enough to build and improve the MEMM!
@mramos,
I hear you!!! It is very puzzling why so many "free energy" designs there are, and still no self-running machine. All the work everyone is putting in this industry is priceless! It will happen one day. When I publish the "smoking gun" you have my word that the build instructions will be detailed, even the paint color, lol, that it will work, exactly. If for some odd reason it does not work then you and everyone will have my cell phone # and please by all means call me and we'll get it working, but I am confident it will work perfectly.
@Nali2001,
If and when this day occurs and given your machine shop tools and such I would hope you consider starting up your company to sell and improve the device.
I look forward to read everyone's posts who will replicate such a device given the aforementioned conditions along with any comments, ideas, and advice.
Kind Regards,
Paul Lowrance
It would take me a while to save up money to buy all the stuff for the project, but yes, I would build one.
Regards,
Rich
Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 03, 2006, 01:20:29 PM
OK, I have a question that is eating me up, lol. Not really, but it is my #1 concern at present in life.
I would very much appreciate your replies.
Question: If I build and confirm a machine that runs by itself (recalculating its energy) in addition to generating useful power in the form of electricity, the machine is easy to build (relative to most machines on this forum), and the cost to build the machine is say $300 or $400, then would you promise to build it?
I need to know what I am up against. Will this be suppressed and the majority of people here will suddenly flood the forums on other topics in desperation of suppressing the above machine? Or will certain key people post that they just built it and say it does not work in an attempt to suppress?
I would really like to know who can promise to build it. You have my word that if and when I post that I have confirmed the smoking gun, a machine that runs by itself and generates "free energy" that I will not be mistaking. You already have my full name, but I will post even my middle name, location, phone #, where the machine will be demonstrated and the schedule ... everything, for free.
Presently I cannot guarantee any success as I am still researching my theory with experiments, but it sure would help if people could promise to build the machine given the above conditions and help populate the news to as many people as possible.
You have my word that if and when confirmed everything will be freely posted in full extreme detail.
Many thanks,
Paul Lowrance
EDIT: Just wanted to clarify that if and when this day occurs I will not be selling any such units. The mentioned price of $300 to $400 is simply your cost; i.e., the cost of parts. It will be public domain and everyone is encouraged to make and sell such units for profit or non-profit. I do not want to be classified as a scam artist so I cannot make any money off this until it becomes clear that the machine is not a fake. Then I would enjoy starting a company that would improve and sell such devices. And by all means, I would encourage everyone to do the same.
I find it interesting, but since I am already involved in my own project (low power magnet motor), I am in the position that Jowik is in. Can't really budget it in now with so many irons in the fire. But I will follow it with interest. Please continue your development, as will I.
Wishing you the best results Paul, and others who successfully build a free energy device.
Liberty
If you have the plans and the knowledge and your are willing to share them then YES I would build the device with my own money. However I would suspect the plans to be quite through and not provide misinformation as do many I have seen. I believe now is the time to share knowledge for the good of us all for those who will grasp at it. If your serious about experimenting on free energy devices and designs a mere $400 is probably about 1/10 of the actual money you have spent on tools and parts.
Comster
Paul, after having thought of this, I think great PR would be to send the idea to mythbusters as televised reproduction. They already did one show on free energy, but if there was one design that had multiple reproductions, they would have no choice but to do an addendum show.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 03, 2006, 04:34:18 PM
Thanks for all the great replies so far.
@Marco,
I love your avatar picture. Very cool, lol. Are those parts? Looks like in that pic alone is enough to build and improve the MEMM!
Paul Lowrance
paul hi :) my avatar shows one of the many (not working coils) from the steven marks setup.
is there a big coil in your setup?
then i know i must save some wire ;D
and if the fan stops for what reason... will it blow up? ???
greets marco
@mramos,
I'm at the same place that Tom Bearden is with the MEG of trying to somehow put the "free energy" into useful output electricity, except IMHO Tom Bearden is working with mathematics, which is very difficult to use in the actual designs and I am using my MCE theory, which is very detailed on the atomic scale and shows what to do. I would like to add that the guy from NASA mostly agrees with my theory. The only thing is he refers to one of the stages as "energy exchange" and has not offered any details as to what is exactly happening within the magnetic material on an atomic scale. I have simply pieced together the work of IBM and other great work as to what's happening.
What's happening right now is I am going back and forth between LTSpice program and the actual circuit, which will test a wide range of materials for a good inexpensive core that works well at a wide range of room temperatures. The old circuit worked, but it took me roughly a day per test, which was mostly spent in trying to get the room temperature at equilibrium. It was testing my patience, lol. So yesterday I bought another Thermistor in hopes of implementing it into a new circuit that be used to cancel out room temperature changes. So one Thermistor is on the core while the other Thermistor is near, but not touching the core. Right now the circuit is having some really weird op-amp feedback issues, which seems to be due to slight variances in Thermistor current; i.e., differences in Thermistor currents are causing problems. It's an avalanche effect where the Thermistor slightly increases in current, which in turn causes it to heat that much more, which in turn causes more current, etc. So I'm not the greatest with electronics and struggling. :)
@c0mster,
I totally agree. That's why I am open for suggestions as how to guarantee that the published confirmed design is not a fake. In other words, I want to do whatever it takes to demonstrate I am very serious and not just yet another disinformationist who will fade away. When the time comes of publishing the "smoking gun" I'll take whatever measures possible such as recording extremely non-interrupted detailed videos of even smashing every single part in a working machine to show there are no batteries inside. Whatever ideas everyone comes up with I'll do so long as it's possible.
@gn0stik,
I also watched that Mythbusters episode. It was disappointing. When the time comes I would offer to send them a working model and even hand deliver it. :)
@marco,
That's a beautiful SM coil. When it works I'd consider painting it as an oil abstract painting.
If the fan stops in the MEMM then it would actually stop working. The inner core magnetic material would experience temperature shock. The MCE effect is barely noticeable in most magnetic materials even at 20 - 25 C. At 0 to 10 C the effect has considerably dropped unless we're talking about Gd, which is more expensive than Au. So, if the machine had enough difficulties running at 20 C, then it would be hard pressed to run at 10 C where MCE was considerably lower.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Hello Paul Lowrance,
this 300 to 400$ investment,
which power output ?
Steady(permanent) ?
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hi lancaIV,
The $300 to $400 is simply parts that you would by at a wide range of companies. So it's something you would build. It would be a steady output. It would be nice to find a cheap core that would cost ~$30 plus another ~30 in parts, but it would not generate nearly as much as a $300 machine. The goal is to create a $300 machine that can output at least 1 KW.
Thanks for all replies and look forward to reading & replying to much more. For now I'll go back to the temperature experiments.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
I suppose the question might be are you prepared to refund the $500.00 if it doesnt work....lol
500.00 not a problem ... would spend 10 times that if there was the slightest chance it really works.
Now stop teasing and give us the details. We will post it from one end of the net to the other to guarantee it stays in the public domain. Build a truck load of them and send them to impoverished nations.
Let's Rock
Cheers,
Dean
Paul,
Thank-you very much for sharing your design. It will be people like you that share their ideas to others that will finally get a working device out there. The people who are after the profit seem to slowly fade away without leaving or giving out any firm understanding or proper drawings of their design.
The 400-500 dollar cost is not a concern to me. However, I would like to see the specifications before committing to replicating it. I hope you can appreciate this.
Hi Paul,
surely I would also build it, if it really can output at lest 2 times more than input into it.
But you must have first yourself a working prototype and show it running in a selflooped mode
in a video and give all the details out and must answer questions, if something is unclear.
As I have my own research ideas running in this moment,
I would only jump onto a new device,
when it is really 1000 % sure, that is really did work at your place.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
it must be open source technology, under GPU/GPL license. like Linux/Unix patent :).
@dean_mcgowan
If I had to pay $500 for every person who might fail at building the MEMM then I think the MIB's could put me in the poor house, lol.
@MrMag
No problem. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't all a waste of time; i.e., all this work and nobody builds it and I end up 6 feet under.
@Stefan,
Thanks for informing me you would also build such a machine given the aforementioned conditions that I must meet. I understand you, Liberty and others have other projects. I would never ask anyone to stop what they are presently working on. Although when that day comes and I have 1000% confirmed it is the smoking gun, a machine that runs forever even when the start-up battery is removed and generates an appreciable amount of power in the form of electricity then that's when hopefully people can help replicate and spread the news.
I guess given that situation where the machine runs by itself even when the battery is removed is considered infinite efficiency, correct? I mean, it is not draining any energy source because it is able to recirculating its own energy enough to sustain itself in addition to supplying extra energy.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
I will have to agree with Stefan. Show us a working demo and I would be more than happy to help with the costs for someone who can build it.
;D
http://www.ryde.net/theo/mcaloric.html
Now that's pretty interesting I must say. ???
OK 500 and prints and detailed instructions, I'm working on Steven Mark device until then, but I'll build it.
Paul,
You can count me in as long as it is not too complicated and I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Even though I live on $800 per month Soc Sec, I would gladly pay $ 400 for an idependent source of 1kw.
Make it soon, before my hands get too shakey to solder!
Tishatang
Paul !
I'm in (for so long...).over 100%
Would be very practicall if parts can be extracted from widely used existing devices.
Cores from trafos (toroid or EI) etc. That way many replications would be guaranteed
,especially if input and output is electricity.(i'm in over 300 %)
if device is motionless then i'm in (over 500%)
if device can pump energy for long period of time 500 to 1000years then I'm in over 1000%
Must say I would have to wait till get that sum of money. but allso believe that allready i have some parts.
anyway my mind is opened wide to receive your idea.
wizkycho
Subject to the fair provisos mentioned by others above, yes,
I would be enthusiastic to build.
It would be interesting to see if the device could be broken
down into components which might be stock parts from other
devices. For instance, the prototype might have a rotating
shaft with a certain collar and/or other feature that might, by
coincidence, be near enough to a shaft out of a particular Dysan
vacuum cleaner. Therefore: big savings in turning costs etc.
Also, someone could make a dozen off of one component whilst
someone else makes a dozen off of a different one. Then we would
swap or trade.
Any Tewari/ Depalma influences?
Paul R.
Hi Paul,
Looks you know what you want to do. ;)
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The goal is to create a $300 machine that can output at least 1 KW.
This is a pretty good goal. If you could do this, you were a true genius, yeh.
Lets say, I have very little skills in the field of electronics, but if you make your continously smoking cigar, which really works and put out at least 0.5 Kw useful output, and I can get all the parts needed from about $500, I will be glad to study and try to replicate it.
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I guess given that situation where the machine runs by itself even when the battery is removed is considered infinite efficiency, correct? I mean, it is not draining any energy source because it is able to recirculating its own energy enough to sustain itself in addition to supplying extra energy.
;D Lol
This is an interesting observation of yours, I also had it some times before. From a certain viewpoint it is really infinite efficiency, because in some cases you have to divide by 0, haven't you?
Wish you success wiht your efforts!
Greg
Hey Paul-
"Build it and they will come"
..well at least I will come along to join in. Looking forward to yours (and ours) success.
Best,
Hi Paul,
I would certainly attempt to build your circuit, $400-500 worth of components/parts are not a unachieveable goal.
3 years ago I built Naudin's MEG but I got a 'decent' 87% efficiency or 0.87 COP if you like. I did not use metglas core (I considered metglas to be expensive then for a try) but a ferrit one salvaged from old television line output transformers. I never understood then why the MEG should work in the form the Bearden et. al. team patented it, because the common flux connection (using a common core for both the input and output coils) renders the MEG to the level of conventional transformers. Somehow I feel there must be a certain kind of separation between the input and output in case of any overunity devices. Later I read a possible separation would be to switch the load on at the output only at a time when the input is just switched off.
And there have been the MEGbuilders yahoo group where several members attempted to build it but ALL of THEM FAILED! A few of them even used metglas core type Bearden referred to in the patent or Naudin used.
And when Naudin introduced his nonlinear resistor load it became clear to me he wanted to make the output measurements totally foggy to cover his failure. That is what I think.
So I look forward to your circuit with confidence, once you are saying you build it and confirm its overunity.
So far I find your MCE theory very interesting and from another source I tend to believe ferrits containing MnZn may also be used with success as you also mentioned. That would be great because it would make the whole circuit much cheaper to build... of course with reduced output power but it would still be very, very good!
Regards
Gyula
Hi Paul,
If it works, and you post a complete set of plans, along with photos and videos, I don't think you will be lacking for having people to repolicate it. You will see swarms of people doing just that, some of whom will more than gladly post their results. As always, the resources of PESWiki would be open to you to publish your plans, photos, instructions, and results.
Sterling
Paul,
Are you being premature or cautious ?
We all have theories, if you really have something then go with your gut and just put it out there, otherwise this is just more naff chatter.
I do respect that you may have concerns for your welfare, but come what may, you could be hit by a bus tommorow.
Do you have the 500.00 to build this yourself or are we just going to have to wait and see like so many that have come before you.
I mean, there is the half baked ideas section you can post to.
Or we can all stand around and speculate what it is that you may have .....
This is frustrating the hell out of me, i mean it all seems like a low level steorn project and you just would like a little attention.
To summise..
If you got it and it works we will build it !!!
If you have a good idea and its not even attempted yet, then please just do what we all do, build it see if it works and then get all excited.
Smoking gun just says to me another time wasting excersise chasing someone elses half baked idea as they are too lazy to do the work themselves for some reason. Most likely because they fear somewhere deep down inside it isn't going to work and they want to share their failure around. So we can all stand around hugging eachother saying geez we really thought we had it this time.
I do however subscribe to the idea that our efforts are for the people of the world and the future generations and for that I hold you in high esteem and wish for you all the success.
NIKE (Just do it)
yes i would built it and spend my own money for this project, im sure anyone would considering it really works, im sure everyone would if they understood what they are dealing with here. most people don't know what free energy/over unity is, even advanced electrical/mechanical engineers i've talked to have no clue whatsoever. this kind of technology has been suppressed for generations, even if you were to put this kind of technology right under peoples noses(the commen people), they will be too worried about something else and most likely have no clue for its use, that is in most cases i guess. i could be wrong :-\
peace
Hi,
Thanks for all the great replies!! Just one day has past since I've read this thread and quite a few replies. I think for the most part we're all in agreement that too many inventors & scientists prematurely release design schematics. I hear a lot of you very much wanting to release designs, but the work is still in progress. I am very much opposed to releasing build instructions and even experiment instructions until everything is absolutely verified. As Stephan pointed out, "when it is really 1000 % sure".
There's nothing worse than releasing designs and having people build something that does not work!
My intent is to release the research and confirm that I'm not spinning my wheels in releasing a machine that will simply fizzle out and be ignored. My conversations with the science community seem clear that if Steorn fails then we can all forget about their support, the science community.
Well, you all have so kindly confirmed that we don't need the science community's support to get such a machine off the ground. I for one now feel confident any legitimate inventor that releases the so-called "smoking gun" can overcome the science community's negative media feedback even if Steorn fails.
@gyulasun,
I agree. I've pointed out incorrect scope interpretations regarding Naudin's silicon iron version. Although the good news is that Naudin's Metglas version scope shots seem to clearly demonstrate "free energy" ->
http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/meg21io.gif
occurs in:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm
The above image shows both current and voltages. It's difficult to ignore the obvious huge difference from input versus output unless Naudin faked the scope images. Some may debate the scope is not picking up on high frequency output, but such undetected output signals would merely increase to the output. As for the input, it's a DC power supply so AC current means nothing-- we want to know the average input power, which is the DC current * DC voltage coming from the power supply or battery. If AC current is somehow effecting Naudin's scopes display of DC current then I would say it's a faulty scope. What are your thoughts on this? It's always been my experience that frequencies beyond the scope are merely dampened out and do not affect the lower frequencies displayed on the scope.
Naudin is misinterpreting his scopes power output. It shows 3.976 W input, that is correct, but the 28.98 W output is not exact, but close enough for government work, right, lol? What the scope is showing is the average power output as displayed on the screen at present. As we can see, there are roughly 5.5 cycles displayed on the output. To display the average power output we want one exact cycle or multiples of one.
So I spent some time last month studying the pictures pixel by pixel, going over each pixel and multiplying voltage by current per segment of time and adding them up. That being said I am confident Naudin's Metglas machine was generating "free energy."
It's too bad that so many people have spent so much time replicating Naudin's silicon iron version. The scope pictures that I analyzed pixel-by-pixel show it was not generating "free energy." Also it's unfortunate the Metglas cores are so expensive. Why is nearly everything in the universe like that, lol? Why does ice cream, junk food, etc. taste so good? Why do people dislike peas so much?
What I am trying to do right now by means of experiments is find an affordable core that possesses high room temperature MCE that could replace the expensive Metglas cores. A company is mailing me some "not so common" MnZn Ferrite cores that seem promising. The problem, as I found out, most ferrites (ferrimagnetism) and iron (ferromagnetism) do not exhibit much MCE at room temperature. Ideally we want material that has the smallest domains as possible while maintaining high permeability to a reasonable frequency.
@Sterling,
Good to see you here. Thanks for creating and maintaining peswiki.com! More people should definitely create wiki projects.
@dean_mcgowan,
I hear you brother! We all want the so-called "smoking gun." I'm certain the universe possesses some form of Radiant energy and it is indeed great and exciting work for those great people here who are pursuing this exotic energy, and I hear what you are saying that so many promises, so many people releasing designs you and others have built and it can be discouraging. I have no idea what their stories are. I don't know too much about radiant energy, but for what ever it means I can assure you there is "free energy" in the Magnetocaloric effect! That I am now certain of. It's not radiant energy, but the methods of extracting this ultra high frequency energy and preventing the core from absorbing it now seems guaranteed. The process of preventing the core from absorbing nearly all the MCE energy is a difficult task, but we are now dealing with sound conventional science. If I fail, then at least the research has been released and there will be others who will succeed! :)
In short, it will take time, months, and if Murphy's Law has a say it could take half a year or longer. Patience is a virtue, right?
@FreeEnergy and others,
Thanks for all the links and information!
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Hi,
I wanted to post some of the methods of how to extract the MCE energy and thereby prevent the magnetic core from absorbing nearly all the radiation ->
1. Saturation. To be highly effective the device needs to saturate the core. A fully saturated core prevents the intrinsic electron spins from absorbing the magnetocaloric energy. Of course a fully saturated core is useless, but no realistic coil can fully saturate magnetic material. The core should be close to saturation.
2. Ultra high di/dt current on the rising field and relatively low di/dt on the falling field. Of course, by using an opposing PM (permanent magnet) you flip the process on certain areas of the core, which basically allows you to collect energy during the radiating cycle. The field from the magnet needs to be stronger than the coils field. This flips the process and allows the device to collect the cores energy when the magnetocaloric effect is in is radiating cycle. The high di/dt causes a higher percentage of the electron spins to flip simultaneously, which in turn greatly reduces the cores ability to absorb MCE energy, which allows more of the energy to escape the core. Normally MCE energy is mostly absorbed within micrometers of the originating electron flip. In short, ultra high di/dt lowers the effective permeability, which in turn prevents the core from absorbing a great deal of the MCE energy, which your circuit can now properly absorb.
3. Ultra thin cores. You want the core to be as thin as possible. The thinner it is the less it can absorb the MCE energy.
4. Use magnetic core that possesses highest MCE at operating temperature. Generally you want nanocrystalline cores because of their small domains. The smaller the domain the more of what I refer to as magnetic potential energy.
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Maybe, Paul, a comprehensive experimental kit could be produced for sale to schools; a box containing all that is needed with various alternative componentsfor experimenting with, and a brief handbook. Their results could be posted, and there could be a modest prize for the school that builds the best device.
Paul-R
Hi Paul-R,
I recall a somewhat famous schoolgirl who replicated the Bedini device
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Category:School_Girl_Motor
Before releasing any designs I would like to find affordable parts and as Stefan said, make sure it is 1000% sure. So at the moment the goal is to search and find brand new "off the shelf" parts with appreciably good tolerance levels and foolproof the designs. As you well know, even electronic components have a tolerance value. For example if you buy a hundred 0.1 uF capacitors from the same company you would get 100 different capacitors that can vary as much as the specified tolerance value. Magnetic cores also vary.
The first design will clearly demonstrate the ability of actually removing ambient energy from a magnetic core. This would provide proof that it is possible to extract energy from magnetic material for the more technical people here who could analyze this experiment in close detail. The magnetic material would become cold. The person could calculate how much energy it would require to lower the temperature of the core and note that it required less energy from the power source.
Note the above experiment is different than magnetocaloric deep freezers. As FreeEnergy so kindly pointed out the other day there are machines used for deep freezing that utilize the Magnetocaloric effect to remove energy (heat). Although these deep chill machines are simply using the cold cycle of MCE for the purpose of removing heat. Here is the very simple process of MCE to chill, but note this is note exactly how the real machines fully work because it's a lot more complex. Here's just a simple example if you only need to chill a little ->
1. A magnetic field is applied to the core, which then gets hotter.
2. Air or liquid is pumped from tank #1 over the core to cool it off.
3. The applied field is removed from the core, which then gets colder.
4. Air or liquid is pumped from tank #2 over the core.
The above process repeats. With each cycle the tank #1 gets hotter and tank #2 gets colder. Note that tank #1 never gets much hotter than room temperature. Tank #1 is circulated through a coil, which is maintained at near room temperature by circulating environment air through the coils. The cores temperature, on average, is in between tank #1 & #2.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
I think there needs to be more emphasis on proving the principal aswell Paul, I like the idea. Infact I am fairly confident I can replicate perendevs motor with success after some quite shocking magnetic simulations conducted by a friend who is an engineer working at MIRA in the UK http://www.mira.co.uk/.
Infact their financial board have just recently rejected funding a proposal for a project orientated around proving the principal and opted for in house projects which I suppose is understandable, so testing this is going to have to come out of our own pockets.
Anyway the main point is after tweaking I believe we have figured out the exact principal behind perendevs setup, the simulations that were made quite amazingly worked. I'll try and get those into a viewable format and post them here at some stage.
Count me in. ;)
Paul,
Im doing it because I want to prove to myself that it can be done, now if I am able to get this torbay replication going, in amazement I will look
and to me it will show that, free energy or self sustaining systems can be possible, its like an eye opener or world turn upside down on your head scenario, i'll post vids as i go, and pics, as i have been doing.
le everything its can be an ongoing process, takes time and changes in prototyping before your happy with it, then you think of something else.
People all i can say is, get your hands dirty and build, and youll know where im coming from, most on this forum just ask questions, but do they truly want to try?
Some idiot I had an argument with in the past said that such things don't exist, a naysayer if you like, he said he wouldnt even waste his time.
Well I've learnt it isnt a waste of time at all, because your mind remains active and in thought , and you gain skills along the way, hell no, its not a waste of time at all.
Mrd ;D
As most of you know mrd10 is right about getting hands dirty and build. Detailed videos and every little bit of instructions really helps. Otherwise it's usually not much fun trying to replicate. Hopefully whoever might publish the first legitimate "smoking gun" should be as detailed as possible. Even describing the process how you wrapped your coils. The slightest deviation can drastically change stray capacitance. Lots of pictures! :)
@Clarky
I look forward to seeing your posts on perendevs setup. Sounds great!
@mrd10 and Kosh
Thanks! It actually means a lot to hear people dedicate. IMHO this thread was great success in that it clearly demonstrated the unity of this community. I think this thread should offer scientists immense energy and encouragement to carry on and invent the world's first legitimate published "smoking gun."
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
I am new to the site, but I can say that if your electric motor does what you say it does, I would love to try and build the motor. what do I need to do to get the plans for it.
Hi Trump,
Welcome!
Trust you me, when I have the "smoking gun" you and everyone will know and the detailed build instructions will be freely published. The purpose of this thread was to see if this community was united and not burnt out on replicating machine after machine. I am various others were very concerned, especially if Steorn turns out like all the others.
I for one am ecstatic to learn this community will not be defeated! It's clear what needs to be done. Although this community does not want to be tricked again, they therefore rightfully require evidence in way of detailed videos, extremely detailed instructions, etc.
I am 100% confident this day will soon transpire. Here's what I have accomplished so far:
* Verified to my satisfaction that "free energy" can be extracted from magnetic material by means of MCE.
* By means of using conventional well-proven science theories and experiments I have developed a theory that precisely describes what's happening within magnetic material in a step-by-step process down to the atomic scale, included the unpaired electrons.
* The aforementioned theory was used to devise certain experiments to help confirm the theory. So far the theory has held up to everything. IMHO the theory has so far explains every magnetic effect I am aware of.
* Initially the theory was used to design a machine that would extract energy by means of the MCE. The resulting design was the MEG!
* Since that time a small amount of time was spent on going beyond the MEG.
The final step is closing the loop-- producing a machine that successfully collects an appreciable amount of MCE energy while recirculating some of this energy to keep the machine self-running and producing extra usable electrical energy.
Paul Lowrance
I have some great news that adds yet more credence to the MCE theory. The following is a huge confirmation.
Here is quote on detailed study of amorphous and nanocrystalline material ->
QuoteAbstract:
We have studied the temperature dependence of the magnetocaloric effect in series of amorphous and nanocrystalline Fe80.5Nb7B12.5 melt-spun ribbons. The maximum entropy change DgrSm asymp 0.72 J/kgK is found at the Curie temperature of the amorphous material, T C(am) asymp 363 K, upon a 0.7 T magnetic field change. This DgrSm value is a factor of four less than that of gadolinium, the prototypical high-temperature magnetocaloric material, but it compares favorably with other amorphous Fe-based alloys. The progressive nanocrystallization of amorphous ribbons results in a decrease of magnetic entropy change and at the same time the DgrSm peak becomes broadened.
So why is this a confirmation? I have been simulating to the best of my ability in head (have not written a simulation program yet) and it seems clear that the smaller the domain the more potential MCE energy. A fully saturated core is essentially one huge domain. Yes, if we're talking in field energy terms then this has maximum energy, but I am referring to magnetic PE. A fully saturated core has zero magnetic PE and magnetic material that is in complete chaos due to vibrating atoms (well in Curie temperature) has maximum magnetic PE. The electron spins in material well into Curie temperature are pointing in random directions, which essentially is domains the size of a few atoms. Although the material does not have to be at curie temperature in order to achieve small domains. We know that amorphous and nanocrystalline magnetic materials have nanometer size domains. So the theory predicts such material possess high MCE. After relentlessly searching the Internet I just came across the above research, which confirms that theory.
So how much energy are we talking about? The particular amorphous and nanocrystalline material they used achieved 0.72 J/Kg/K with a 0.7 T field change, which is 0.72 J/Kg/K * 1.0 T / 0.7 T = 1.0 J/Kg/K. At room temperature, 295 K, we arrive at the following energy ->
First we need to find the weight. I have been using the example of one cubic inch of material. The weight of one cubic inch of this material is roughly 0.13 Kg. In our examples we've used 100 KHz. So at 100000 cycles per second there are 400000 energy exchanges; 4 energy exchanges per sine wave. This material exchanges the following amount of energy per Tesla at 100 KHz ->
1.0 J/(KgK) * 0.13 Kg * 295 K * 400000 = 15.3E+6 J in one second, which equates to 15.3 megawatts. According to my previous posts I arrived at nearly 50 megawatts for Gadolinium.
We'll note that 15 megawatts is close to one fourth of 50 megawatts, as described in the above abstract quote, "This DgrSm value is a factor of four less than that of gadolinium" Of course my previous posted examples of 50 megawatts was merely using rough numbers of 4 C/Tesla. Also the numbers vary depending which Gd alloy you are using, the field strengths of the experiment, temperature, etc. In short, this is match.
These amorphous and nanocrystalline materials are extremely efficient at 100 KHz. We could take this to 1 MHz and we get 150 megawatts of energy exchange. That means there is 150 megawatts of energy being radiated and absorbed within that 1 small cubic inch of magnetic material! The permeability of these materials is extremely high. I just requested a sample of such material that has a permeability of 1,000,000.
It requires hardly any Amp*Turns to generate 1 T field in such a core. Such a 100 KHz sine wave would require a fraction of a watt, yet that fraction of a watt is the catalyst for
15 megawatts or power!
Do not forget the simple secrets ->
1. Use materials with
smallest domains at operating temperatures-- amorphous and nanocrystalline cores.
2.
The thinner the core the better! Your goal is to prevent the core from absorbing the MCE radiation. Presently I am pondering upon a design that uses long thin magnetic electrically conductive wires. The thin wire would be both the core and the coil. Is it Stefan that's been pushing for the use of iron wire? Perhaps there are companies that sell thin amorphous iron wire.
3.
High saturation materials. Even though there are 1.5+ T Metglas cores, I chose one with lesser saturation because I believe it could have smaller domains.
4. Unless you use filters you'll need to flip the process so you can collect the energy during the cores radiating cycle. You do this
with a permanent magnet. Also the PM helps saturate the core, but you don't want to fully saturate it.
5. The field from your coil will oppose the PM's field.
So you slowly increase your coil current to decrease the cores net applied field and then you want to drop the current or reverse the current as quickly as possible (high di/dt). If the core material has low electrical resistivity then the Eddy currents will absorb the radiating energy and then with precise timing you can rob a certain percentage of the Eddy currents energy. Therefore the Eddy currents lower the electron spin flip speed and makes it easier on your electronics to collect the energy.
I hope this information never dies! Eventually some deep thinker(s) will understand this and ecstatically contribute to this research.
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,
all your numbers look very nice !
I agree, that this thing could work.
You have to find the right work point in
the BH diagram of the used core material
and if you have found it, you can must pulse it this way,
that you get a right circling loop process.
This then extracts heat from the environment and converts
it to electricity.
So you don?t need a cold pole, just a heat source.
So with the right configuration you could give it a short high current change pulse
and it will this way take environmental heat form the surrounding
into the core and convert it to electrical output
in an output coil.
It could be designed and calculated like a heat motor ( stirling machine)
where you draw all the circle processes inside a PV diagram ( Pressure versus volume diagram).
The same can be done in a B over H diagram ( Magnetic flux density B over magnetic field H diagram).
Otherwise you could also design it this way to produce an overunity heater or
a fridge with it, if you just feed electrical energy into it.
I think this has a great potential and I think all magnetic
overunity machines work much more or less
in that principle...
Heat energy from outside is a very important factor !
The coice of the right materials there is the most important factor
to reduce the losses.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
All these years we have all read your posts pushing for iron wire. The MCE theory clarifies this and a lot more and sheds light on the path. The iron is magnetic and being a wire makes it thin so as to not absorb nearly as much MCE energy. I don't have enough experimental data to know if certain types of iron wire, which are usually steel I believe, have small enough domains to generate enough MCE energy. Now if we have amorphous and nanocrystalline wire then "Houston, we have lift off!" The thin wire is a great idea. It's not the only method, but still a good one.
Does anyone know a person who has an amorphous and nanocrystalline core they might loan out? I live in Los Angeles, CA. USA. I requested a sample from Metglas.com, but it seems unlikely since I don't have a legitimate business.
Thanks,
Paul Lowrance
mix this with it: http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/minto.html ;D
Hi FreeEnergy,
I saw that on Mythbusters. Actually the MEMM is a completely solid-state device. The only moving part, that's actually not required, is a fan or some type of thermal conducting fins, but this would only be require for high output devices to keep the device withint operating temperature. The output would be good old electricity. :)
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"Relevant Post" was appended to ->
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:MEMM
Paul Lowrance
Hi PaulL,
I remember that Bil Muller used some amorpheous magnetic tape-material. I had seen this on Don Adsitts
Page : www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com (http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com)
Here is the email of his daughter :
carmen@mullerpower.com
As far as I know Don Adsitt has passed away some time ago
Kator
Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 05, 2006, 05:54:52 AM
@gyulasun,
I agree. I've pointed out incorrect scope interpretations regarding Naudin's silicon iron version. Although the good news is that Naudin's Metglas version scope shots seem to clearly demonstrate "free energy" ->
http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/meg21io.gif
occurs in:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm
The above image shows both current and voltages. It's difficult to ignore the obvious huge difference from input versus output unless Naudin faked the scope images. Some may debate the scope is not picking up on high frequency output, but such undetected output signals would merely increase to the output. As for the input, it's a DC power supply so AC current means nothing-- we want to know the average input power, which is the DC current * DC voltage coming from the power supply or battery. If AC current is somehow effecting Naudin's scopes display of DC current then I would say it's a faulty scope. What are your thoughts on this? It's always been my experience that frequencies beyond the scope are merely dampened out and do not affect the lower frequencies displayed on the scope.
Naudin is misinterpreting his scopes power output. It shows 3.976 W input, that is correct, but the 28.98 W output is not exact, but close enough for government work, right, lol? What the scope is showing is the average power output as displayed on the screen at present. As we can see, there are roughly 5.5 cycles displayed on the output. To display the average power output we want one exact cycle or multiples of one.
So I spent some time last month studying the pictures pixel by pixel, going over each pixel and multiplying voltage by current per segment of time and adding them up. That being said I am confident Naudin's Metglas machine was generating "free energy."
.....
Hi Paul,
Sorry for being a bit late in reflecting your question, have been busy. Well, if an oscilloscope has a bandwidth less than the frequency of the components constituting the measured signal, than, although it displays a more sinusoid-like waveform but the main lower frequency amplitudes remain more or less correct. However, this cannot be revelant or applicable here because the scope THS720P has a 100MHz bandwidth and the measured signal is around 56-57kHz with MEG v2.1 and 24kHz with v3.0 (at least this is seen so on this page from the scope pictures http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm )
And I agree: the AC current measurements cannot influence the DC current measurements.
It is interesting that Naudin's conditioned resistor he used for loading the 1.5kVpp output voltage was just conditioned to be 10kOhm from the 100kOhm value (because it comes from his measured RMS current of 48.08mA for his MEG v2.1), the difference just a factor of 10 in the resistor values. And if I multiply the RMS output voltage with the RMS current (486.2V * 48.08mA) I get 23.37W but his scope shows 28.97W RMS. ( Of course this 23.37W output would still be fantasticly good for a 3.976W input power. ) Where was the error coming from I wonder. Correct answer can only be given by repeating his measurements.
Regards
Gyula
HI' Paul,
I have looked back and read all of the replies to your electric motor concept, others feel you are close to achieving the design of the ?over unity motor?. Have you been working on this concept for a long time? I don't possess the knowledge as you and others do, but it does seem that there are many who agree with you on how things look so far. Have you been working mostly on the theory of how this motor may work, or have you got physical testing with a prototype model ? Once you get some testing done and are satisfied that your motor is doing what you feel it should do, will you test this motor for a good length of time and then tell us how the motor works, or will you just test the motor and tell us as your testing goes along. I feel everyone would just like to see a small motor to set on the desk and produce over unity, lighting a light bulb or something. It looks like you have a vast amount of peopole on this site to get information from, if we all stick together and help one another I feel as things will work out for the best. I wish that there were other people with your knowledge close to me, I live in Tennessee. When the time comes and you have the plans to build the motor, I will do whatever it take to build it, even if I need to fly out and have you help me with it.
Hope that a lot of the stumbling blocks are out of the way now so you can get a working model going soon. Keep in touch and I must say I am ready for this to come true. Most of the other ?over unity? motors seem to be a talk of the town for awhile and then fade out of site.
Trump !
Paul Lowrance,
It seems that this forum is a little slow lately, I guess many people are working on things or using some other sites. How are things going with your project? I have looked at a lot of the listings on the over unity type of electric motors, it appears that most of the concept lately is the motor with windings and not the type of motor that has moving parts. Is there a good reason for the winding type motor over the moving parts motor. Can you get as much workable voltage on the winding type motor as the type that has moving parts?
Respectfully
Trump
Hi Trump.
I think both methods are promising, but the solid-state method should be most promising since there are no moving parts. I think the solid-state could eventually generate more power. Although I could perhaps be biased since the MEMM will be solid-state, except for the high power compact versions will need a fan or method of keeping the core at near room temperature. :)
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Paul,
Thanks for the quick reply, I was just wondering on the two types of motors and which may turn out to be the best to lean to. Less moving parts may have less problems I am sure. Thanks for your reply and I hope that the motor concept you are working on will prevail. I have been reading a lot and trying to get a better understanding on how the winding type motor works. I will keep reading and I will watch the postings closely.
Respectfully
Trump
paul,
i really don't have the knowledge or expertice in this field to promise that i will build this project personally. i do, however have the resources to promise i will have one built. i can hardly wait!!!! will you please get a move on it!!!! ;D
it will be the best day of my life when i get a check from my utility company for power that i sold them instead of just the quarterly dividend check..
thanks for your efforts, lol,
sam
Hi Sam,
Yes, that will be one of the greatest days in history. My huge problem in life is being an astronomically huge perfectionist. :( It's just difficult to overcome, but will try to get with the program and get a nanocrystalline core to close to loop. I already have my proof that "free energy" is available by means of MCE. Now it's just a matter of time.
There is still question as to if amorphous magnetic material has atomic size or even nano size domains. I've swept the Internet so many times, emailed dozens of magnetic specialists, lol and cannot find any information. It really doesn't matter that much initially since nanocrystalline cores have very small domains, which will work, but it just bothers me such cores are so expensive. So if we can manage to squeeze 100 watts of "free energy" per $120 Metglas core in a closed loop system then we'll need 10 cores to achieve 1 KW for a total of $1200 plus other parts. So lets say $1500. And initially 100 watts will be a huge challenge. I know there must be cheaper cores out there that can get the job done. It's just a matter of time finding them. So perhaps initially the first 1 KW design might be a little expensive. Time will tell.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
I made a major post regarding the MEMM in this thread -->
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1565.msg14714.html#msg14714
Paul Lowrance