Sorry my bad english.
I was wondering if there is any mechanical or non mechanical free energy devices that actually work, and if there is any step-by-step tutorials no make them.
THANKS
Quote from: HormigaAtomica on April 14, 2015, 05:40:59 PM
Sorry my bad english.
I was wondering if there is any mechanical or non mechanical free energy devices that actually work, and if there is any step-by-step tutorials no make them.
THANKS
There is no KNOWN devices that generate more energy than they get in, and definitely no step-by-step tutorials. However, the term "Free energy" also involve windpower, sunpower, and other electronic or mechanical devices that deliver power for free by harvesting external energy.
Energy accounts perfectly the balance between energy input and energy output. However, energy input and USEFUL energy output will differ, and is always less than 100% efficient. Proven a billion times.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on April 17, 2015, 06:19:05 AM
However, energy input and USEFUL energy output will differ, and is always less than 100% efficient. Proven a billion times.
Interesting. I don't say it's not true but, if it has been proven a billion times, then i would like to see one proof. And it should not be based on any device and showing that this device can no way provide overunity. A device which certainly cannot provide any overunity, is easy to make, and it is also easy to show that there cannot be any overunity.
there is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q
Quote from: tysb3 on May 08, 2015, 03:18:30 PM
there is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q
Good find tysb3.
If anyone can build one of those and get it to work as shown in the video... please let me know right away.
In the comments it seems that several people have tried and failed. Nobody that I know of has reported successfully replicating it.
It is superficially similar to a Franklin ES motor, but of course those need an external supply of charge from a HV ES generator of some kind.
Tysb3, thank you. I don't know whether it works, but it's interesting.
There may also be something in between. Like this man lives under a high voltage transmission line, and there it works.
Just like rubbing a balloon on your hair and making it stick to the wall or ceiling.
artv
the Man told, that this is serious machine what required technology, geometry, preciseness, proportions and tuning because there is working very small forces. I'll try it but don't know when I finish this construction.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 09, 2015, 01:01:21 AM
the Man told, that this is serious machine what required technology, geometry, preciseness, proportions and tuning because there is working very small forces. I'll try it but don't know when I finish this construction.
The device in that video was anything but precise. When he showed the end view, those metal conductors were not even lined up on the same plane by maybe at least 1/4". That is not precise, at least in my world. There most likely was an electrostatic generator off camera that was running this device.
Bill
@ Pirate88179
sorry you don't understand what about it is. don't try it at home ;)
Quote from: tysb3 on May 09, 2015, 02:29:49 AM
@ Pirate88179
sorry you don't understand what about it is. don't try it at home ;)
I am afraid that I do understand. Otherwise, this guy would have a Nobel Prize. What is it that you do not understand? Have you replicated this? If so, where is your video? Seems pretty simple to make.
Bill
@ Pirate88179
yes, not working model is always pretty simple to make. :) don't waste your time
Quote from: tysb3 on May 09, 2015, 02:54:32 AM
@ Pirate88179
yes, not working model is always pretty simple to make. :) don't waste your time
Well, OK, thanks. I was already not going to waste my time but, thanks for the warning.
Bill
@ Pirate88179
OK, I'll try
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 09, 2015, 02:44:09 AM
Otherwise, this guy would have a Nobel Prize.
Why is it believed that there would be a Nobel Prize? People live in so many illusions. Do you think that when you can sing well, then a recording company finds you, and you become famous? Things don't happen that way, not in the world where we live. Better not to let people to find it out the hard way.
This has nothing to do with whether that device works or not. It has to be replicated and tested in several locations by several people, before there is any reason to say that it works. But if it were a real thing, that man would die because of poverty.
@ ayeaye
there it's nothing new, to asymmetrical distribute static charge on disk you need on one side sharp conductors, on another side flat conductors. to create this asymmetry you don't need waste the energy. for this reason static charge is universal mater for free energy
there it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPm31Zv9Ujk
The testatika
Has a coil in the center
Has a none ferrous core
The blades rotate in the equatorial plane of the coil
The testatika is an energy mill
Quote from: Dave45 on May 09, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
The testatika
Has a coil in the center
Has a none ferrous core
The blades rotate in the equatorial plane of the coil
The testatika is an energy mill
Too bad it has never been proven to actually work.
Bill
in static electricity no needed coils. there coil was to hide how it works or transform dc/ac. I think if connect capacitor to sharp and flat conductors, capacitor will be charged.
Hmmm....
:P
Man you dont mess around :)
I spend a week thinking about something before I ever begin to build.
Looks good
Tinsel must have his own institute to make replications so quickly.
This, btw, is not a Wimshurst machine. Wimshurst machine works by generating charges by moving the plates past each other. Interestingly there, the induction of charges by itself takes no energy, but moving charges in relation to each other takes energy. Testatika is a Wimshurst machine, but whether any elements of that device are also used in Testatika, i don't know.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 09, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
I think if connect capacitor to sharp and flat conductors, capacitor will be charged.
If that's so simple, then why don't you try that?
The things which are too simple, it is questionable whether they work though. Why, because during the long history someone did already stumble upon them.
@ TinselKoala
there is sharp conductor from video
Yes, I can see that... but can you tell me how that is "sharp" ?
sharpSHärp/
adjectiveadjective:
sharp; comparative adjective:
sharper; superlative adjective:
sharpest
- 1. (of an object) having an edge or point that is able to cut or pierce something."cut the cake with a very sharp knife"
- 2. tapering to a point or edge."a sharp pencil"
Quote from: ayeaye on May 09, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Tinsel must have his own institute to make replications so quickly.
Yes, I skipped the basket-weaving class today....
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This, btw, is not a Wimshurst machine. Wimshurst machine works by generating charges by moving the plates past each other. Interestingly there, the induction of charges by itself takes no energy, but moving charges in relation to each other takes energy. Testatika is a Wimshurst machine, but whether any elements of that device are also used in Testatika, i don't know.
Yes, this is not a Wimshurst machine, it is a Franklin-type or corona ES motor.
No, a Wimshurst machine does not "generate" charge, it _separates_ positive from negative charge and moves those onto its capacities (the "prime conductors" and/or its Leyden jars or other capacitors) for storage. You could say that it "generates" a potential, or tension, aka voltage, by separating charges. But electrical charge is a conserved quantity, it cannot be "generated", created or destroyed.
Yes and no, it's a moot point whether electrostatic induction or the motion of charges takes energy, since the two processes go hand in hand. As the tension (voltage) builds in an electrostatic generator, whether Wimshust, Bonetti, Dirod or other, it takes more and more work to provide the necessary motion to the moving parts.
No, Testatika is _not_ a Wimshurst machine, it only superficially resembles one. Recall that there are (claimed) single-disk Testatikas, and that Wimshurst machines are DC, with "left half" positive and "right half" negative (or vice versa) rather than opposite polarity disks, whereas Baumann has said that in the 2-disk Testatika, one disk is "cloud" and the other is "earth", and they are AC-output machines... and the frequency of the output depends on the number of sectors on the disks (allegedly). Furthermore, there are so many sharp edges and surface current paths in a Testatika that it could not sustain the high voltages necessary for electrostatic generator action. Whatever the Testatika actually is, it is unlikely to be any kind of _real_ electrostatic machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpemKuf6X_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWasxYQZZw
@ TinselKoala
you don't see. you are wasting time on wrong construction. you have 1 sharp point. on the video is round sharp edge and bigger attraction force.
there you are showing how easy to build not working device.
Quote from: tysb3 on May 10, 2015, 05:34:05 AM
@ TinselKoala
you don't see. you are wasting time on wrong construction. you have 1 sharp point. on the video is round sharp edge and bigger attraction force.
there you are showing how easy to build not working device.
TK hasnt said it dosnt work yet-or has he/,-i didnt see that he said it didnt work,which brings mystery :o
i would suspect at this time,he is trying to generate enough static charge to get the machine to spin loll.
ORRRRRR-it is working,and he is still sitting there watching his first free energy machine spinning away lol.
How could it possibly work... I don't have a "round sharp edge" !!
Plus I probably don't have the right mental attitude. And I know I'm not in the right place geographically. Why, I may not even be holding my mouth right.
Pay no attention to my Dirod, or my Bonetti machines, corona and Franklin motors, levitating ping-pong balls or the VDG machines I've researched and constructed.
None of what I know about electrostatics may be relevant when building a Perpetual Motion Machine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2lTeGH-lws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVfw-TeJ9r4
Ok, ok, tomorrow I'll change out the sharp points and take a couple of those metal pushpins and drill out a cavity in the end and profile the outer shape to make a "round sharp edge" instead of a nice sharp point.
But then we'll have to find another reason why it doesn't work.
--Or Does It?--
;)
Ok, ok. Sharp points removed and a set of "round sharp edges" installed.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 10, 2015, 07:40:04 AM
Ok, ok. Sharp points removed and a set of "round sharp edges" installed.
Thats tha ticket TK-->oh,and dont forget the LED's. The more you have,the greater the OU.
In all seriousness,can you generate enough static charge in the room to make it run as the guy in the video did. If it is not running on static charge,then how is it working like he show;s?.
Quote from: tinman on May 10, 2015, 07:48:40 AM
In all seriousness,can you generate enough static charge in the room to make it run as the guy in the video did. If it is not running on static charge,then how is it working like he show;s?.
A directed flow of air possibly? If not static, as you said. I still think there is a static generator somewhere nearby.
Bill
Well
After seeing the Vid of his Dog in his living room.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO-phqmyqdY
I am suspicious...Very Unnatural IMO
Quote from: ramset on May 10, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Well
After seeing the Vid of his Dog in his living room.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO-phqmyqdY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO-phqmyqdY)
I am suspicious...Very Unnatural IMO
Chet:
You have cracked the case, ha ha. Plenty of static there...I am still laughing.
Good one.
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 10, 2015, 12:57:10 AM
Baumann has said that in the 2-disk Testatika, one disk is "cloud" and the other is "earth", and they are AC-output machines... and the frequency of the output depends on the number of sectors on the disks (allegedly).
Even then, this may mean many things and does not necessarily mean that Testatika is not a Wimshurst machine.
Some still say that Testatika is a Wimshurst machine, and there is no way to find out, because the full technical data of the device has not been made available.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 10, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
A directed flow of air possibly? If not static, as you said. I still think there is a static generator somewhere nearby.
Bill
I doubt that it is air,as he turns it to many different angles,and it still spin's.
Quote from: tinman on May 10, 2015, 05:18:16 PM
I doubt that it is air,as he turns it to many different angles,and it still spin's.
Ah, good point.
Bill
The person who made the discussed video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q had enough time since last September to follow up wit a bigger or better version or to become famous with his perpetuate machine.
Since nothing has happened, I guess it is a strange hoax. Of course, I can never be sure (and this is exactly the intention of such a hoax).
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on May 10, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
The person who made the discussed video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q had enough time since last September to follow up wit a bigger or better version or to become famous with his perpetuate machine.
This is again that assumption that one supposed to become famous when one makes some great invention. As i said, this is not necessarily true. This has already been said here before, the Nobel prize. Have you heard anything about famous writers, who died in poverty, and became famous only after their death? This is how it is, the society is not necessarily always fair, and there is no logical reason why it always has to be.
Saying that, i don't mean anything about whether his device does or does not work. I put these things into a category of unknown, until there is no convincing explanation why they should work, i think they are not worth the effort. Or if some think that they are worth the effort, then what you can do is to write a good explanation of why they should work. Because like for me, this concept of point and flat electrodes, and what they should do, is absolutely strange, and i just simply cannot think much about it.
I understand that some shape may enable to hold more charge than another shape. i see some imbalance there, and the idea is clever, but i know nothing convincing there that makes all that possible. One thing, the charges in a metal are very weak as much as i know, they cannot be compared to the charges in the Wimshurst machine, where they are like in a capacitor. Even for that alone reason that experiment is not convincing at all. And it is also not replicated.
Quote from: conradelektro on May 10, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
The person who made the discussed video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q) had enough time since last September to follow up wit a bigger or better version or to become famous with his perpetuate machine.
Since nothing has happened, I guess it is a strange hoax. Of course, I can never be sure (and this is exactly the intention of such a hoax).
Greetings, Conrad
Very classic. The only perpetual is that people will never stop trying to do the impossible. I wonder why they're not harvesting the free energy that is right there before their eyes. Sun, wind, water falls.
Vidar
Well, the overunity is nature too.
Quote from: ayeaye on May 17, 2015, 04:22:04 PM
Well, the overunity is nature too.
No. There is no overunity in nature. If that was the case, we would observe an energy feedback that increased in magnitude for ever. Imagine that energy and mass increase 100% every 1 billion years, we would observe a radiation and mass that is approx 16 000 times greater than it actually is. The sun during its 5 billion year existence would be 30 times brighter than it is today. The earth would be 16 times larger etc. What we do know is that the energy balance in the universe is pretty much balanced on a constant value.
If overunity exist, it must also apply to mass - not only energy.
Vidar
Overunity is just an energy coming from an unknown source. Once we know the source, it is not overunity any more. And no matter what energy forms we look at, when energy comes one way, then it also decreases in the other way, so there is no total increase of energy. Everything in the reality is in balance, because of the law of rhythm, not only energy.
One more thing. I think the field lines are like thunderbolts coming from a particle, they are constantly renewed, and this is how the particles interact with each other. In the discrete network of the quantum world. So it is not necessary to find a physical cause, it is just a discrete processing which happens in a certain way. Things happen the way they do just because they do. One may find some geometric regularities though, because it is about a geometric structure.
Quote from: Low-Q on May 22, 2015, 09:37:47 AM
The earth would be 16 times larger etc. What we do know is that the energy balance in the universe is pretty much balanced on a constant value.
The sun generates a huge amount of energy all the time, why doesn't that increase the earth mass?
I now should say that i cannot say whether this electrostatic device can work or not. Because there is not so much we know about electrostatic field. Like, the force may depend on the speed of interaction, rather than the amount of charge. May or may not. The problem with that experiment is though that the theory is not explained well enough, and this makes it kind of worthless. One cannot say what it all depends on, or what shape all its elements should be, like that sharp point ball, or whatever it should be. Maybe only not clear for me, but then also certainly not for many others. May be a great thing, may not be. If so, maybe i should understand more, or maybe something is not explained that should be explained. But whatever it is, as such it is worthless for me by now.
Quote from: ayeaye on May 23, 2015, 12:28:44 PM
The sun generates a huge amount of energy all the time, why doesn't that increase the earth mass?
The potential energy in the sun decrease all the time, and loose it by radiation and mass eruptions.
The sun has fuel that has been there all the time. This fuel is burned up in a process called fusion. Fusion of hydrogen atoms release wast amount of energy because helium cannot keep the whole mass from both hydrogen atoms. This mass will radiate as electromagnetic waves. So the sun radiates energy that rest inside it's mass.
1g of mass contains 89875523869531,024 Joule of energy. If all of that tiny mass was transformed into useful energy you could power 1500 housholds for one year. So yes, matter contains lots of energy :-)
Vidar
I think as the universe continues to expand the amount of available power is diminishing , overunity is impossible, using more of the available energy sources ,that we don't even realize are there, thats the answer.
since it's all based on theory.
artv
This is all the little i know about that. A metal sphere or a toroid with a pin on it, gathers electrons from the air, and the electrons are pushed out through that pin. I think it works in Tesla coil so, it likely ionizes the air around that ball. But in Tesla coil the electrons are forced out of that sphere by current. I don't know that it causes any flow of electrons just like that, without any external force, and i don't know that anyone has ever found it. I think in that device, if it can ever work, there had to be two of these spheres with a pin. One towards the plates with the pin, and the other towards the plates with the sphere. This at least made sense to me. Though i doubt that without touching the electrons move from one object to the other, unless they are forced. If one can provide ant further evidence about all that, then that would be good of course.
I found it in youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-AqL-8RGNc ) comments. It could be useful for someone:
beforebefore (https://www.youtube.com/user/beforebefore) 1 month ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-AqL-8RGNc&lc=z123jbgofo21vjtey22ygnzjht35zhgof04) Some things to consider... and/or try... First, consider this: Triboelectric charges: https://www.trifield.com/content/tribo-electric-series/ (https://www.trifield.com/content/tribo-electric-series/) (there are many of these charts available, and many have slight variances – determining this charge affinity is not an exact science) Wood is nearly neutral, with a triboelectric affinity charge of around +7, Polystyrene is highly negative, at around -70... resulting in a charge difference of about 77. Your version (as shown) has 0 difference... same materials throughout. The Styrofoam (foamed polystyrene) would have been a good material! (-70). Teflon is the best, at -190. The other guy's "disc" looks like corrugated polystyrene board... which is fairly common, called "corrugated plastic" or "plastic cardboard" at hobby stores, home depot, etc. Commonly used as front yard signs, supported by wire-frame supports. He may have used 2-3 layers, glued together to get it thick enough. Van de Graaff generators are a source of info on electrostatic charge redistribution. Charge collectors use several pointed tips, often guys use frayed-out stranded wires for this, all trimmed to the same length. I believe you may need to modify your "long curved conductor" a bit, getting rid of any sharp transitions, edges, etc. round-off every edge... wrap the copper foil over the edges... this is common-practice in electrostatic charge experiments... but then again, may not make any difference in this device. It still seems (as already mentioned) that the charges need a path to flow... possibly there is a single 50-gauge hidden wire strand connecting the metal "charge redistribution" parts. Wood is a better conductor than polycarbonate... but not by much! "Positive" charges tend to rise up, away from the positively charged Earth. He says as the conductive plates pass by the sharp conductors ("pointy things"), the alum. plates become Positively charged... and if so, they rise, causing spin (but opposite to the direction you spun this one in this video) If this is what happens, the pointy conductors are taking a negative charge. If this all holds true, then the long strip conductor then re-deposits the negative charges onto the foil strips (alum or copper, no matter), which causes that "side" of the disc to be drawn towards the earth. HOWEVER... if this is what's happening, then the curved conductor should be located much higher on that "side" of the disc... in the upper-quadrant, not the lower-quadrant... so that it can re-deposit the negative charges sooner, causing more rotational torque. Likewise, even the "pointy" tips should be located lower on that side of the disc, giving the now-positively charged alum/copper plated more time to create upwards 'lift'... so to speak. IMHO... and IF this thing really works... the "timing" should be such that the two charge transfers should occur 180° out of phase... if that makes any sense.