I have a working machine in which simple magnets are used to provide usable and measurable free energy for a normal household task. I would like to share it and win the prize and perhaps Randi's prize, too, but it does not use or output electricity. It just uses magnets to do useful work. And it is perhaps the easiest free energy machine to replicate. Could I win the prize if I convincingly show that magnets can be made to do useful work?
Quote from: Rall on July 18, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
I have a working machine in which simple magnets are used to provide usable and measurable free energy for a normal household task. I would like to share it and win the prize and perhaps Randi's prize, too, but it does not use or output electricity. It just uses magnets to do useful work. And it is perhaps the easiest free energy machine to replicate. Could I win the prize if I convincingly show that magnets can be made to do useful work?
Sorry but magnets do not produce free energy in any configuration. So that only leaves magnets doing useful household tasks like holding shopping lists to the fridge door or latching cupboards closed or keeping the shower curtain inside the tub.
Quote from: Rall on July 18, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
I have a working machine in which simple magnets are used to provide usable and measurable free energy for a normal household task. I would like to share it and win the prize and perhaps Randi's prize, too, but it does not use or output electricity. It just uses magnets to do useful work. And it is perhaps the easiest free energy machine to replicate. Could I win the prize if I convincingly show that magnets can be made to do useful work?
As long as the net energy that the magnets deliver exceeds the energy used to magnetize them and any energy input your machine requires to operate then all you need is good proof of that.
Many have thought they had such a thing when they did not. The odds are not favorable. There is no need to describe any internal details of your device that you wish to keep secret. What would be interesting is for you to describe how you tested your device and reached the conclusion that it does something that nothing has ever done before.
Quote from: MarkE on July 19, 2015, 01:32:50 AM
As long as the net energy that the magnets deliver exceeds the energy used to magnetize them and any energy input your machine requires to operate then all you need is good proof of that.
Many have thought they had such a thing when they did not. The odds are not favorable. There is no need to describe any internal details of your device that you wish to keep secret. What would be interesting is for you to describe how you tested your device and reached the conclusion that it does something that nothing has ever done before.
Myself and others have tested it. The power being added by the magnets to the system is obvious and easily and unmistakably discernible. You can feel it with your hand VERY, VERY easily and see the results. The machine is not particularly well-suited for rigorous measurement, and given it's geometry and size, I am not entirely sure how best to accurately measure it and quantify the degree of the effect. It will be somewhat tricky. But, it obviously works and obviously uses energy from magnets to perform useful work. I just want assurance that if I share it and it is judged to be a method of getting useful work from magnets, that I can win a prize. Because of the way that it works, and because of its miniature size, the 1 watt requirement may not be entirely applicable. This is not a device for producing power or electricity, but it easily shows one way that permanent magnets may be used to add power to a device. And it is replicate-able by anyone without any tools.
Quote from: Rall on July 19, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
You can feel it with your hand VERY, VERY easily and see the results.
A hand is very easy to deceive, especially when it comes to integrating small forces over long distances. Just take a look at the SMOT.
How long can your machine move without being touched ?
Quote from: Rall on July 19, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
Myself and others have tested it. The power being added by the magnets to the system is obvious and easily and unmistakably discernible. You can feel it with your hand VERY, VERY easily and see the results. The machine is not particularly well-suited for rigorous measurement, and given it's geometry and size, I am not entirely sure how best to accurately measure it and quantify the degree of the effect. It will be somewhat tricky. But, it obviously works and obviously uses energy from magnets to perform useful work. I just want assurance that if I share it and it is judged to be a method of getting useful work from magnets, that I can win a prize. Because of the way that it works, and because of its miniature size, the 1 watt requirement may not be entirely applicable. This is not a device for producing power or electricity, but it easily shows one way that permanent magnets may be used to add power to a device. And it is replicate-able by anyone without any tools.
Magnets cannot and do not produce work. Feeling something with your hand is not a measurement of anything, it's just an impression.
You need to take torque measurements, input measurements and output measurements.
Just saying that 'it obviously works and obviously uses energy from magnets to perform useful work' has no meaning without measurements.
I hate to burst your bubble but I'm oretty certain you are being fooled by something you have not even thought of.
Quote from: Rall on July 18, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
I have a working machine in which simple magnets are used to provide usable and measurable free energy for a normal household task. I would like to share it and win the prize and perhaps Randi's prize, too, but it does not use or output electricity. It just uses magnets to do useful work. And it is perhaps the easiest free energy machine to replicate. Could I win the prize if I convincingly show that magnets can be made to do useful work?
Hi Rall. You will have to wait for a reply from Stefan here on whether there is still any prize available.
Stefan announced recently that his funds are low so he would have to rely on donations for an overunity prize.
If you really want to discuss if your magnet design produces useable work or not, you will have to post the details here
and let people go over it in detail. Just ignore any insulting or rude comments. Some people get very uncomfortable when
their beliefs are challenged, and they then feel the need to go on a crusade and fiercely attack and dismiss that which
offends their beliefs. Not to worry. There are many other people here who are not troubled at all by such things who
will be willing to discuss such things with you in a friendly and rational manner. ;) Again, I would suggest that if someone responds to
you rudely or in an otherwise equally irrational manner, just completely ignore them. ;D
All the best...
I understand that it is perhaps an easy thing to deceive the sense of touch in the hand for fine discriminations or weak forces. I like good criticism, but I have not said much to criticize yet, I hope.
I'm just a guy starting the new religion that unites science and religion and will have a crowd-sourced scripture, and called the one religion. The religion is only legal in Oregon. I think it will help if I win a free energy prize of some sort, and I had a free energy device that I built a while ago just sitting around, so I thought to myself...
I really want to demonstrate that the things we think are impossible might not be as impossible as we think.
Quote from: Rall on July 19, 2015, 11:31:47 PM
I really want to demonstrate that the things we think are impossible might not be as impossible as we think.
can you describe a bit about the device or how it works?
I don't want to describe it or post photos or videos of it working before I know what I could possibly win. It looks like that is up in the air right know. But I made another one today which works as well as the others. The magnets probably do wear down over time and add less and less energy to the system, but I haven't noticed any significant drop in power myself and have used the device for multiple years. Probably the loss of power might be similar to that experienced in permanent magnetic motors and generators or even less as the device is not continually operated.
@Rall:
I understand and respect your position with your device. Together with the others here I'd REALLY like to see and understand what you have but will wait until you're ready to share the information.
Best of luck!
truesearch
@Rall:
What do you want?
Shall we admire you for something we do not know?
Shall we send you money for something we do not know?
You will not get any price for something one is not allowed to know!
You are in the wrong place. If you want to make money with your device, you have to patent it. Contact a patent attorney and tell him your thing, if indeed you have anything.
If you want to start a religion with your device you have to be much more talented in manipulating people.
So, please come to your senses and stop this tired nonsense. You are a sad sight! Poor man, see a doctor.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on July 21, 2015, 02:26:18 PM
@Rall:
What do you want?
Shall we admire you for something we do not know?
Shall we send you money for something we do not know?
You will not get any price for something one is not allowed to know!
You are in the wrong place. If you want to make money with your device, you have to patent it. Contact a patent attorney and tell him your thing, if indeed you have anything.
If you want to start a religion with your device you have to be much more talented in manipulating people.
So, please come to your senses and stop this tired nonsense. You are a sad sight! Poor man, see a doctor.
Greetings, Conrad
What do I want? I want to share my machine with cool people and win a free energy prize!
No admiration is requested, but an impressively significant monetary prize and respectable prize name would be ideal. One of those big checks would be the bomb :-)
I think the free energy prize is/was(?) there to encourage people like me to share what they know and I thinks that's great! I think the current issue is that the free energy prize status is unknown at the moment. I'm not looking to get wildly rich and I would like to share my invention. I am certainly not starting a religion based on this device, but everything positive helps (the idea is hilarious, though.) :-) I think it wise to try to benefit from my actions, but I have no real interest in patenting this device; I would rather open-source it as it is supremely build-able, and while not an energy device at all, it demonstrates that permanent magnets can make a positive contribution to the work that a system does. It demonstrates that free energy from permanent magnets can do useful work.
Hi,
How any useful output is manifested? A shaft rotates? a piece vibrates or oscillates continuously?
If you can define the output then the first step is taken to help you utilize the output continuously. You mention household machines in the first post, they normally use electric power so perhaps an off the shelf generator could be driven by your device, right? (provided you are not pulling out leg... :( )
Gyula
Hi Gyula, it is not as you describe. I just don't want to give out details yet, sorry, but I am not pulling your leg. I trust you understand.
So how do you plan on applying for the OU prize then?
I don't know what the status of the OU prize is; it appears that it is being reorganized. If there is a prize that my device can win for demonstrating practical work from permanent magnets, I will apply and then, we will see if my device can win! For those of you who think it impossible, feel free to bet against me by donating to Stefan's prize fund. :D
Quote from: Rall on July 21, 2015, 09:24:10 PM
I don't know what the status of the OU prize is; it appears that it is being reorganized. If there is a prize that my device can win for demonstrating practical work from permanent magnets, I will apply and then, we will see if my device can win! For those of you who think it impossible, feel free to bet against me by donating to Stefan's prize fund. :D
Well that's not quite the way bets work. In a
fair bet, two parties pledge to put up something of value and each stands a chance to win or lose the "put up value". Donating is not betting and those two words should not be used in a sentence, the way you have.
If you are so sure it works, why not agree to donate an amount equal to the prize money into the fund if it doesn't? That would be a fair bet.
Quote from: Vortex1 on July 21, 2015, 09:44:44 PM
Well that's not quite the way bets work. Two parties pledge to put up something of value and each stands a chance to win or lose the "put up value". Donating is not betting and those two words should not be used in a sentence, the way you have.
I understand that, Vortex1, that's why I used the cheesy smiley. ;) As I understand it, the prize(s) is ill-defined at the moment so I hope you understand that it doesn't really make much sense for me to donate as you suggest or to promise to do so, and it generally isn't wise to advance or promise money unnecessarily.
Quote from: Rall on July 21, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
What do I want? I want to share my machine with cool people and win a free energy prize!
No admiration is requested, but an impressively significant monetary prize and respectable prize name would be ideal. One of those big checks would be the bomb :-)
I think the free energy prize is/was(?) there to encourage people like me to share what they know and I thinks that's great! I think the current issue is that the free energy prize status is unknown at the moment. I'm not looking to get wildly rich and I would like to share my invention. I am certainly not starting a religion based on this device, but everything positive helps (the idea is hilarious, though.) :-) I think it wise to try to benefit from my actions, but I have no real interest in patenting this device; I would rather open-source it as it is supremely build-able, and while not an energy device at all, it demonstrates that permanent magnets can make a positive contribution to the work that a system does. It demonstrates that free energy from permanent magnets can do useful work.
you should go talk to THESE people....
http://www.nobelprize.org/ (http://www.nobelprize.org/)
they'll give you a prize...
and when you are ready to share something with the world,....
come back and see us
Quote from: sm0ky2 on July 21, 2015, 11:07:28 PM
you should go talk to THESE people....
http://www.nobelprize.org/ (http://www.nobelprize.org/)
they'll give you a prize...
and when you are ready to share something with the world,....
come back and see us
I'm here and ready to share now and win a prize if there is one I can win. :) And experience has taught me patience. I hope you will feel free to nominate me for a trip to Sweden if you think I deserve it. :)
Quote from: Rall on July 21, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
What do I want? I want to share my machine with cool people and win a free energy prize!
No admiration is requested, but an impressively significant monetary prize and respectable prize name would be ideal. One of those big checks would be the bomb :-)
I think the free energy prize is/was(?) there to encourage people like me to share what they know and I thinks that's great! I think the current issue is that the free energy prize status is unknown at the moment. I'm not looking to get wildly rich and I would like to share my invention. I am certainly not starting a religion based on this device, but everything positive helps (the idea is hilarious, though.) :-) I think it wise to try to benefit from my actions, but I have no real interest in patenting this device; I would rather open-source it as it is supremely build-able, and while not an energy device at all, it demonstrates that permanent magnets can make a positive contribution to the work that a system does. It demonstrates that free energy from permanent magnets can do useful work.
I am a very cool person, please share your device with me.
You should get a prize! ( I give you a hint: your mental superiority and your outstanding way of providing proof should be rewarded, but just not with money. You do not need a big check, you need corrective and preventive actions.)
Yes, make it open source, right now.
You should become wildly rich, because you are such an outstanding person. You should be rewarded adequately.
You write: "It demonstrates that free energy from permanent magnets can do useful work." I believe you, thank you for telling us. It would be nice if you believed that I have a working machine as well. But I do not want a price and I do not want to share it, because people like you demonstrate conclusively that the world is not ready for my great invention.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: Rall on July 22, 2015, 02:52:35 AM
I'm here and ready to share now and win a prize if there is one I can win. :) And experience has taught me patience. I hope you will feel free to nominate me for a trip to Sweden if you think I deserve it. :)
To Rall,
Just upload a youtube video and show it to the world.We believe you can.
It would be nice if you can setup the experiment on the floor or on table provided it is not too messy with unwanted wiring.We hope it's at least 720p since 480 would make your video look like 80s.
Just proceed with upload.
Good Luck.. . .... .... . . . .. .. . . .... .. .. . . . .. .
I reckon you should go to your nearest university with a Mech Eng or Elec Eng department and ask the professor if he or she is willing to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement. If they are not working on anything near your project, they should say Yes.
If they say Yes, then ask them to test a demonstrator and produce a written report on what they discover, signed, hopefully by the professor or faculty dean.
With this document, you should be in business.
What town are you in?
This looks interesting too ;)
https://video-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/721700_3088765395775_1960108514_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjUyOSwicmxhIjozOTc2LCJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6ImxlZ2FjeV9zZCJ9&rl=529&vabr=294&oh=9b5287629b83833067f34021a7b74491&oe=55AFEBD2
Quote from: Rall on July 22, 2015, 02:52:35 AM
I'm here and ready to share now
looking forward to it
To win the prize they are some rules that I remember.
1. You must send the one device to Stephan
2. 2-3 poeples need to be able to replicate your device, that mean it need some instructions to replicate it.
and probably others
but even if you post the instructions (open source) now, no one will able to win the prize with your idea since you are the one that open source it
so what I will do if I was you was to show videos, build instruction, send a device to stephan.
Anyway, without telling everything reply to this:
What is the cost for making one device in material?
What kind of magnet it need (cylinder, rectangle, neo?) or others type?
It costs about $10 or so to build it. The neodymium magnets are the most expensive part, but I have a big stash of those so I'm guessing a bit on the prices for those.
So Rall, Show the people here something ..... otherwise I'm going to have to point out that Oregon just legalized recreational Marijuana and you have made it obvious you are from Oregon 8) So far sounds like you just have a pipe dream :-\
In the one religion, we believe that sometimes, for some people, cannabis, peyote, and/or ayahuasca (these are all now legal in Oregon for legitimate religious communities) can play a positive role in spiritual and social growth of an individual and/or community. We believe that it is right to maintain and promote positive religious and sacramental use of these substances for those individuals and communities that can benefit from them. It is simply the right thing to do. All the scientific evidence has shown that humans have, for aeons, consistently judged such plants as very religiously and spiritually useful. And in the present day, we have direct scientific evidence that they still are. I don't appreciate language which treats any of our sacraments or religious activities in a dismissive or disrespectful manner.
Hi Rall!
I believe that your device works
But I don't believe that people, even more spiritual people can keep this kind of technology just for their own
Peraphs, this prize isn't a good purpose, because it tend to force people acting like you
The humankind need this technology for peace
Each more day is one more Karma day for you
You're not better that cabalists
Nobody coul'd never make money on it, you perfectly known and it could also ruin your life
Use anonymous proxis, share it at large, whithout profits
God will reconize tou and you could become the happiest people on this earth, even if alone and poor...
Or it's a scam, or you're a thief
I the name of all the homless, foodless and under wars people
Im all for indivual choices, but those plants permanently screw up the brain in a not so nice way. They screw with receptors. Chances are you have imagined you have a OU device.
Oh Void, you are SUPERB and Genius!
Quote from: Void on July 19, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
Hi Rall. You will have to wait for a reply from Stefan here on whether there is still any prize available.
Stefan announced recently that his funds are low so he would have to rely on donations for an overunity prize.
If you really want to discuss if your magnet design produces useable work or not, you will have to post the details here
and let people go over it in detail. Just ignore any insulting or rude comments. Some people get very uncomfortable when
their beliefs are challenged, and they then feel the need to go on a crusade and fiercely attack and dismiss that which
offends their beliefs. Not to worry. There are many other people here who are not troubled at all by such things who
will be willing to discuss such things with you in a friendly and rational manner. ;) Again, I would suggest that if someone responds to
you rudely or in an otherwise equally irrational manner, just completely ignore them. ;D
All the best...
The term magnetic inertia and magnetic compression all do work above the input of the energy for the magnet and if its a neo magnet it will last around 400 years ! You see all magnetic fields couple to the atomic electron field and the electron field connects to the magnetic field of the nuclei magnetic field and than down to the plank level and beyond into infinity !
The only point where there is an over unity is when gravity is included in the system ! I have many system of this kind but my advice to you is just build them to order ! Dont listen to empty minds with a dead end road in front of them. A washing machine can save energy with this kind of magnetic system or a car engine ect ect the list is endless ....... They dont bother with them because they cant be bothered to add them to the equipment !
Just get on with it ! there is no prize here that I can see ? Good luck stay positive and go for an up hill pump system for water or even better concrete I did and it works very well ........ You have to know a bit more than just looking at a magnet to understand how these things work !!! I have one that can produce 2000 pound per square inch of free energy ....
Can you beat that ?????
Quote from: DR.WHO on April 27, 2016, 08:27:20 PM
Can you beat that ??? ??
Yes, it is called physics and reality. Magnets can not do work. End of story. If you think otherwise, you have much more learning to do.
Go ahead and prove me wrong...but you can't. I wish that you could, but you can not.
Bill
Now listen to me ! Open your mind to reality beyond the limited version only you have invented ! All the physics and quantum mechanics is just a tiny little seed that has just started to grow and the future of discovery has a few billion years to pass. I am a master of free energy and am respectful a student of the field b which all these events are created. You are a beginner who only thinks but in all truth you truly need to do more than that !
You are in a theory trap a mind full of no to this and no to that but to become free from this trap you need to build and experiment with force without resistance action with out cause and effect time without space and a multi verse of possibilities . Where did our universe come from ? Where is it going ? These 2 alone is enough to question your limitations.
I want you to sit inside an egg and push your way out and than sit on another egg and jump up and down on it but it will not crack and to this I tel you where there is resistance there is also a non resistance ... The vacuum is in one direction it goes one way and never can reverse ! Just like the universe and you a one way encounter with all that is.
I would blow your mind with what I can build shake the very ground you stand on and do things only know of in the minds of them that can only fantasise or dream off.. I have no limitations and to be honest a good quantum mechanic would agree that all and everything is possible if you know how.
Now begin to build ! Any problems just ask me ! Its why I am here .. lolx
Fucking goofballs, go and get some work.
Donald trump will give you a manufacturing job so you can shut up and work.
Nobody is gonna get free energy, the internet is like the Free energy researcher's worst enemy.
Everything is bullshit, open your eyes, open your mind to mechanics, physics.
Hi.
At the good end.... is everyone here living on free energy, after all these years of discussing, studying and building?
Sorry dude, the fridge magnet has already been invented.
;D
ARMCORTEX YOU AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF HARD RESEARCH AND EXPERIMENTING,
YOU CAN NOT TELL ME YOU HAVE GIVEN UP ON FREE ENERGY..
YES A PMAGNET CAN DO WORK AND DOES DO WORK. 1 MAGNETRON ,THE RF OSCILLATOR TRANSMIT THAT IS USED IN YOUR MICROWAVE OVEN WILL NOT WORK IF THE PM IS NOT PART OF IT ,IT IS THERE TO FORCE THE ELECTRONS TO SPIN SO TO START THE OSCULATION NEEDED. 2, PERMANENT MAGNET ALTERNATOR IS WAY MORE EFFICIENT THAN ELECTROMAGNET ROTOR TYPE
3. ELECTRIC MOTORS WITH NIBS MAGNETS IN EVS...
TO PROVE THAT A PERMANENT MAGNET IS A FREE ENERGY DEVICE. LET US SAY THAT A NIB HAS A MAGNETIC
STRENGTH FIELD OF 1 TESLA. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GENERATE THAT TYPE OF STRENGTH FIELD
AROUND AN ELECTROMAGNET, THAT IS HOW MUCH ELECTRICAL POWER IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN
THE SAME I TESLA OF MAGNETIC FIELD STRENGTH . FOR THAT NIB PM THE MAGNETIC FIELD CAN LAST YEARS
WITHOUT ADDING ONE WATT OF ELECTRICAL POWER..SO MY CONCLUSION IS THAT A PM IS AN ATOMIC
RESONATING SPINNING OSCILLATOR..
He's probably this guy https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_YFO_aNn_lx-qMbg349YEp3V-KL9op7J
His web is here: http://clovekvsiti.cz/free-energy-generator-perpetuum-mobile-volna-energie-2/#more-1556
I'm following him for some time here https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4v0lej/demonstration_of_principle_of_magnet_motor/
IMO magnet only motors are possible http://www.overunity.com/15124/simplest-theory-of-overunity-devices-possible/#.V7ibI-aqxNU
hi, can you share more details what's your machine can used for?
www.hkinventory.com
Quote from: seychelles on August 20, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
TO PROVE THAT A PERMANENT MAGNET IS A FREE ENERGY DEVICE. LET US SAY THAT A NIB HAS A MAGNETIC
STRENGTH FIELD OF 1 TESLA. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GENERATE THAT TYPE OF STRENGTH FIELD
AROUND AN ELECTROMAGNET, THAT IS HOW MUCH ELECTRICAL POWER IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN
THE SAME I TESLA OF MAGNETIC FIELD STRENGTH . FOR THAT NIB PM THE MAGNETIC FIELD CAN LAST YEARS
WITHOUT ADDING ONE WATT OF ELECTRICAL POWER..SO MY CONCLUSION IS THAT A PM IS AN ATOMIC
RESONATING SPINNING OSCILLATOR..
Like so many others here, it is your REASONING that is flawed. For the record I applaud experimentation. What I don't see of value is erroneous COMMENTS based on idiotic reasoning. Blatantly WRONG comments waste other peoples time because they could be doing something more useful. Marshmallows are white, soft and fluffy but they are not made of clouds!! LOL
You say that a Perm Magnet is OU because it currently is able to exert force that would otherwise cost a lot of electricity if it were an electromagnet. Wake up!! At one stage when they made that Permanent magnet, an incredible amount of energy went into sintering it and aligning the domains. After that it is a static force.
Let me illustrate......take a standard nut and bolt. You now get a wrench and tighten that nut and bolt until there are thousands of pounds clamping force compressed between the two. You have expended energy to do that and it is now 'stored' between the two surfaces. Is it a free energy device???????????????????????????? Is it OU????????????????????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! It is a storage device!
Another example. You take a empty bottle.....you compress a gas and now have a static storage device. If you open the valve of the bottle and let the gas out some of the energy that was expended compressing it can be recovered. BUT can you recover more than what it took to put the gas in the bottle??? NO NO NO NO.
Wake up....Wake up...Wake up. Stop being such a simpleton.
There are laws that are bound up and locked tight in this Universe for our protection otherwise we would have runaway chemical reactions happening all around us which would have resulted in the Planet and Stars imploding a long time ago.
::) ::) ::)
You will always have to input something.
But how many things can that input affect?
Just asking, artv