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Title: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Nink on November 25, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Saw that the Keshe devices for just 1000 euro are starting to arrive.  There was a video posted on the 20th of November 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhywJxeGp5A and someone translated it today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VQbGoP_t-I    So he has had it plugged in for 4 days now so I guess we wait and see if there is a load attached and it takes 21 days to start working apparently.    As far as I can tell it is a resistor in a box based on someone who built one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCFyEzMGB_8 but I guess as the saying goes Time will tell....  They make you set the phase ?? when you connect the Keshe device  (I can see where that is going)
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 25, 2015, 01:53:52 PM
I've done some research into Mehran Keshe and his claims, and unfortunately it appears Mehran Keshe is a raving delusional megalomaniac.

On Friday April 18, 2014, in one of keshe's publiclly posted 'knowledge seekers' videos, Keshe declared himself to be the messiah.
Keshe also had his followers post a three page document to the internet in which he claims the same thing. I am attaching a
PDF copy of Keshe's released three page document to this post.

Here's a short transcription excerpt from Keshe's delusional rant from his video of April 18, 2014.
Keshe Foundation video: "Special Knowledge Seekers Workshop April 18, 2014"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfVZKFSqqho
Mehran Keshe - starting at timestamp 1:12:05:

"I have a message for all of you. Be it your eminence the pope, be it
the... his eminence Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran... Can you scan and post this
on the site? Please. You will read three pages. I do not read it for you, but,
in these three pages, even they have a wrong English spelling, might be because
it makes you happy to find a fault... This is the language of the creator. The
reason we are here today. The reason why the Keshe Foundation and the name of the
Keshe Technology has been put on the map. Very simple. I am ashamed of my own creation.
If you understand what that means...


As a created, as a human being, I had to live amongst you in your body. To be ashamed
of my own creation.
(crying and sniffling) I had to live your lives to know how greedy
you are, how thieves you are, and how you kill so easily, and this has to stop from today.
I have put it in writing. The ones who want to call it, they call it. The ones who are the
world leaders, read it. This [unintelligible] ... and in time will be understood.

The way I have shown you how to make food out of fresh air... I have shown and I
explained to the nuclear scientists in past two weeks how gold was easily made from
environment of the earth. Life has no value but to serve.

The Keshe Foundation Headquarters in Italy is open to public. You knock on the door
in (Desenzano?), everybody knows more or less (who?, where?) Keshe Foundation is, they know
who we are... Lake La Garda [Lago di Garda] Look at it (des San Lorenzo? Desenzano?)
This is home of knowledge and faith, but, peaceful faith. You can walk in, see everything,
bring your system, and ask and teach us and we teach you. There is no limit into what we teach.

(Sniffling) My call goes to the people and the crooks who sit in the seat of government. I had
to eat with you in different nations to understand how you defraud your people. I had to pray
in your houses of worships in different nations to understand how you structured and abused the
name of God to benefit a few. Now it is in my writing.. can you post that paper please?
It's posted... This is my wish and my way of doing things... and I'm not ashamed or afraid of
any people, any in the world leader, or any religious leader who tries to attack me.

[1:16:23]
I have created you, and at my wish I can end your life.
You wished... and for years you asked for messiah.
Here I am...
  [voice breaking] standing in front of you. [long pause]
I'm ashamed [sniffling] of my own creation, the human race...  and I've told that
for years to my family and my wife, but I had to experience how you created
things from nothing, claimed to possess everything. The purpose of today was
very special. You wanted to see messiah, and you prayed for it for thousands of
years, to change not only your beliefs, but take you to heaven... We have offered
you the whole lot
, and the panel of knowledge seekers on this table, who are here
today, were chosen to be here for their deeds and their acts, and the deeds and acts of
their forefathers.

My call goes to Vatican, to his eminence the pope. Meet us, we discuss everything in details,
and if I'm wrong, I'm prepared to stand for my deeds, but the cleaning has to come from
the house. Put olive branches in the place of the swords of the guards of the Swiss Guard
and the armies which you carry... and do the same with the followers of Christ around the world,
today and this week and next week and then on, that the arms has to replaced with roses
and with olives branches, and the metals of guns and nuclear weapons has to be changed for
producing homes, food, the way we have shown as shelter for the people who don't have.  [sniffle]
The same my call goes to his eminence Ayatollah Khamenei, as Islamic religious leader. You have
had the foresight to be correct, and bring this knowledge through your protection to its (glory?)

A lot of people ask me why I keep talking about three exiles. I've been imprisoned, Ive been
exiled, I've been threatened to be killed for my knowledge and nothing else. In my business world
when I used to be a millionaire, every door was open to me and the best hotels. [sniffle]
Since I opened my hand and what I am, and most of the secret services knew of this declaration of today
[the declaration that Keshe thinks he is the messiah, I presume] for a long time, and that's why
this setup to (avoid?) to this umm... discussion and this disclosure. They did not expect it to be disclosed
today, but today is important day in the world calendar, with the death of Christ, and we chose
today as the creator's, as the son has to be linked to the father. [voice breaking]

... "


Here is a short excerpt from Keshe's posted three page document, in which he also indicates that
he believes himself to be 'the Messiah'. :D
"Today and with this pen, I as the Messiah, and I whom took his time to be amongst you ..."


It is interesting how Keshe goes on about how greedy people are (which is true for the most part), but
then charges a total of about 1000 Euros or so (including taxes and shipping) for his magrav units he is selling on
his website, which probably cost no more than about 50 Euros to 100 Euros at the very most to make (the units
just contain a few copper wire coils that have been oxidized with caustic soda). That is quite the huge markup in price,
considering Keshe says his goal is to get his technology out to as many people as possible around the
world. ;D

Just because all indications are that Keshe is a delusional megalomaniac and cult leader wannabe,
it doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't invented a way to get free energy, but the chances of this appear
to be pretty slim indeed. Even if Keshe hadn't declared himself to be 'the Messiah',  after so many years
of making all sorts of wild claims of what he can do with his 'new plasma technology', Keshe has so far not ever
publicly demonstrated one single working device. The chances of his magrav unit actually producing free
energy seems about slim to none, but we will see. If in another month or two no one can demonstrate a
working magrav unit producing excess power beyond what it is drawing from its power source, then
I think many people may start to get the message. We shall see.  Even if the magrav unit turns out to be
a complete dud, many of Keshe's hard core cult followers will probably just rationalize it away with some absurd
excuses and continue to follow Keshe. ;D

In one of Keshe's other videos, screen shots of the magrav manual were shown in the video, and
at the end of each of six main instruction steps listed in the manual, it states in bold letters that failure
to follow that step correctly voids your warranty. It appears then that if you can't get the magrav unit to work
that they will just tell you that you must have not followed the instructions correctly and that your warranty
is therefore voided. Sounds a lot like a typical greedy 'fleece them for everything we can' shady operation.
All this from 'the Messiah'. LOL!
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: SoManyWires on November 25, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Void on November 25, 2015, 01:53:52 PM
I've done some research into Mehran Keshe and his claims, and unfortunately it appears Mehran Keshe is a raving delusional megalomaniac.

On Friday April 18, 2014, in one of keshe's publiclly posted 'knowledge seekers' videos, Keshe declared himself to be the messiah.
Keshe also had his followers post a three page document to the internet in which he claims the same thing. I am attaching a
PDF copy of Keshe's released three page document to this post.

Here's a short transcription excerpt from Keshe's delusional rant from his video of April 18, 2014.
Keshe Foundation video: "Special Knowledge Seekers Workshop April 18, 2014"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfVZKFSqqho
Mehran Keshe - starting at timestamp 1:12:05:

"I have a message for all of you. Be it your eminence the pope, be it
the... his eminence Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran... Can you scan and post this
on the site? Please. You will read three pages. I do not read it for you, but,
in these three pages, even they have a wrong English spelling, might be because
it makes you happy to find a fault... This is the language of the creator. The
reason we are here today. The reason why the Keshe Foundation and the name of the
Keshe Technology has been put on the map. Very simple. I am ashamed of my own creation.
If you understand what that means...


As a created, as a human being, I had to live amongst you in your body. To be ashamed
of my own creation.
(crying and sniffling) I had to live your lives to know how greedy
you are, how thieves you are, and how you kill so easily, and this has to stop from today.
I have put it in writing. The ones who want to call it, they call it. The ones who are the
world leaders, read it. This [unintelligible] ... and in time will be understood.

The way I have shown you how to make food out of fresh air... I have shown and I
explained to the nuclear scientists in past two weeks how gold was easily made from
environment of the earth. Life has no value but to serve.

The Keshe Foundation Headquarters in Italy is open to public. You knock on the door
in (Desenzano?), everybody knows more or less (who?, where?) Keshe Foundation is, they know
who we are... Lake La Garda [Lago di Garda] Look at it (des San Lorenzo? Desenzano?)
This is home of knowledge and faith, but, peaceful faith. You can walk in, See everything,
bring your system, and ask and teach us and we teach you. There is no limit into what we teach.

(Sniffling) My call goes to the people and the crooks who sit in the seat of government. I had
to eat with you in different nations to understand how you defraud your people. I had to pray
in your houses of worships in different nations to understand how you structured and abused the
name of God to benefit a few. Now it is in my writing.. can you post that paper please?
It's posted... This is my wish and my way of doing things... and I'm not ashamed or afraid of
any people, any in the world leader, or any religious leader who tries to attack me.

[1:16:23]
I have created you, and at my wish I can end you life.
You wished... and for years you asked for messiah.
Here I am...
  [voice breaking] standing in front of you. [long pause]
I'm ashamed [sniffling] of my own creation, the human race...  and I've told that
for years to my family and my wife, but I had to experience how you created
things from nothing, claimed to possess everything. The purpose of today was
very special. You wanted to see messiah, and you prayed for it for thousands of
years, to change not only your beliefs, but take you to heaven... We have offered
you the whole lot
, and the panel of knowledge seekers on this table, who are here
today, were chosen to be here for their deeds and their acts, and the deeds and acts of
their forefathers.

My call goes to Vatican, to his eminence the pope. Meet us, we discuss everything in details,
and if I'm wrong, I'm prepared to stand for my deeds, but the cleaning has to come from
the house. Put olive branches in the place of the swords of the guards of the Swiss Guard
and the armies which you carry... and do the same with the followers of Christ around the world,
today and this week and next week and then on, that the arms has to replaced with roses
and with olives branches, and the metals of guns and nuclear weapons has to be changed for
producing homes, food, the way we have shown as shelter for the people who don't have.  [sniffle]
The same my call goes to his eminence Ayatollah Khamenei, as Islamic religious leader. You have
had the foresight to be correct, and bring this knowledge through your protection to its (glory?)

A lot of people ask me why I keep talking about three exiles. I've been imprisoned, Ive been
exiled, I've been threatened to be killed for my knowledge and nothing else. In my business world
when I used to be a millionaire, every door was open to me and the best hotels. [sniffle]
Since I opened my hand and what I am, and most of the secret services knew of this declaration of today
[the declaration that Keshe thinks he is the messiah, I presume] for a long time, and that's why
this setup to (avoid?) to this umm... discussion and this disclosure. They did not expect it to be disclosed
today, but today is important day in the world calendar, with the death of Christ, and we chose
today as the creator's, as the son has to be linked to the father. [voice breaking]

... "


Here is ashort excerpt from Keshe's posted three page document, in which he also indicates that
he believes himself to be 'the Messiah'. :D
"Today and with this pen, I as the Messiah, and I whom took his time to be amongst you ..."


It is also interesting how Keshe goes on about how greedy people are (which is true) but then charges
a total of about 1000 Euros or so (including taxes and shipping) for his magrav units he is selling on
his website, which probably cost no more than about 50 Euros at most to make (the units just contain a
few copper wire coils that have been oxidized with caustic soda). That is quite the huge markup in price,
considering Keshe says his goal is to get his technology out to as many people as possible around the
world. ;D

Just because all indications are that Keshe is a delusional megalomaniac and cult leader wannabe,
it doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't invented a way to get free energy, but the chances of this appear
to be pretty slim indeed. Even if Keshe hadn't declared himself to be 'the Messiah',  After so many years
of making all sorts of wild claims of what he can do with his 'new plasma technology', Keshe has so far not ever
publicly demonstrated one single working device. The chances of his magrav unit actually producing free
energy seems about slim to none, but we will see, If in another month or so no one can demonstrate a
working magrav unit producing excess power beyond what it is drawing from its power source, then
I think many people may start to get the message. We shall see.  Even if the magrav unit turns out to be
a complete dud, many of Keshe's hard core cult followers will probably just rationalize it away with some absurd
excuses and continue to follow Keshe. ;D

In one of Keshe's other videos, screen shots of the magrav manual were shown in the video, and
at the end of each of six main instruction steps listed in the manual, it states in bold letters that failure
to follow that step correctly voids your warranty. It appears that  if you can't get the magrav unit to work
that they will just tell you that you must have not followed the instructions correctly and that your warranty
is therefore voided. Sounds a lot like a typical crooked fly by night scam operation. All this from 'the Messiah'. LOL!

eventually you too will realize keshe is the real messiah, only if you believe in unprovable fiction based belief systems.

but it is a good thing that you do not follow delusional propheting profiteers such as the diner of uncompleted happy meals  keshe is who will always found a few fries missing from his order, no matter how many times ronald mcdonald keeps bringing him more.
surprisingly not, he is not the first messiah trying to run for election in 2015, hell no.
his opposition that was also running on a similar campaign ballot platform, tried his best to teach his followers to remain on the proper path, so that everyone could eventually become entitled to receive their own working overunity devices and not a moment too soon.
after being informed by the higher ups who needed to create order had to find a new way to communicate to their chosen messiah if to be successful, by advent of a system of cross referencing numbers to letters in order for their chosen one to find the proper truth, using alphabetics.

the real truth is both those up and coming subset messiahs were never able to defy the laws of, well, the laws of honesty,
very much the same as the propheteers over at the witt's institute of broken dreams who under the direct authority of je$u$ himself, helping them continue to run their online storefront from usa soil and have never been arrested and detained for such, yet.

Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 25, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Hi Void.

I absolutely agree with you. I'll be honest with you , I started to build it and have coils done. But, than I opened my eyes and realize what the nonsense it is. I put the coils into my drawer and they will wait there.  There is many points which are very suspicious. Mainly there is not any evidence of working device. Not even one, including measurements. I just couldn't fined any. Even not fake one :)   Next: He states that oxide layer on the wire is superconductive - that makes me smile :)   Solid CO2 ?   What the nonsense - where is the laboratory prove? 

As you said- He created a cult. And people blindly believes him and follows.
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 25, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: John.K1 on November 25, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Hi Void.
I absolutely agree with you. I'll be honest with you , I started to build it and have coils done. But, than I opened my eyes and realize what the nonsense it is. I put the coils into my drawer and they will wait there.  There is many points which are very suspicious. Mainly there is not any evidence of working device. Not even one, including measurements. I just couldn't fined any. Even not fake one :)   Next: He states that oxide layer on the wire is superconductive - that makes me smile :)   Solid CO2 ?   What the nonsense - where is the laboratory prove? 
As you said- He created a cult. And people blindly believes him and follows.

Hi John.K1. Well, it is possible that even if Keshe is quite delusional that he may have
found a way to make free energy, but it sure doesn't seem very likely at this point. I also was not able
to find one single demonstration of someone demonstrating a Keshe device producing free energy.
Who knows, maybe there is something unsual about Keshe's oxidized 'nano-coated' copper wires and
what he calls GANS, but if there is something unusual about it, I wasn't able to find any convincing demonstration
of this anywhere. Another few months or so and we should find out if anyone who bought or
built a magrav device can get any free energy from it. I won't hold my breath waiting for someone to
show a working unit however.  :)

One guy contacted the Keshe Foundation and said that he built a larger scale version of the magrav unit, and that
if he places his hand directly above his running magrav unit, his hand disappears. When he pulls his hand away,
his hand re-appears. Keshe said all sorts of unusual things are possible with this technology, and
Keshe asked the guy to contact Keshe if he is being serious about this claim. This was mentioned in one of Keshe's videos.
Alas, to my knowledge no video has been posted so far showing this disappearing hand effect. Since Keshe says all sorts
of unusual effects like this can occur with his 'plasma technology', I wonder what is going to happen to some of the people
who purchase magrav units out there. Maybe people will start disappearing into time warps and that sort
of thing. Sounds like a lot of fun. LOL! ;)

Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 26, 2015, 07:55:13 AM
Yep, Crap and bulshit.

Just one think is worth to try, and it is coating of wire with different metal elements. Logically it should create a potential difference. And what is potential difference?  - of course it is voltage.  Lets see. 

I did a test of oxidation of some copper wire using caustic soda. i have it in my container for couple days, leaving to vaporize the rest of the solution. What surprise me is the color of the solution. It changed to blue - like a copper sulfate.

My next experiment will be to run some current through the wire while is still in the container - it might aligne atom or crystals or what ever it is in one direction and then I will add other coatings of different metals (or its oxides)  from lighter ones to heavier one.

Edit1:   This is interesting information :  http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1954/tf/tf9545000171#!divAbstract

What the "Anodic behavior" actually means???
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Nink on November 26, 2015, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: John.K1 on November 26, 2015, 07:55:13 AM


Edit1:   This is interesting information :  http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1954/tf/tf9545000171#!divAbstract
Thanks for sharing http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11124-005-0026-z#/page-1

I also found this one.
http://www.cwejournal.org/pdf/vol4no2/CWEVO4NO2P277-284.pdf

Wonder if Keshe premise is that as the surface of the copper begins to oxidize we have a potential difference from the copper oxide on the outside of the copper wire to the inside of the copper causing electron flow as a result of the potential difference between the two materials creating anodic behavior that will eventually spread across all of the copper in our infrastructure.   At best I can see maybe 1.5V generated and only few of milliamps of current, but I really don't believe it is feasible to actually spread across all of your copper wiring, jumping across circuit breakers, power connections etc. If it did, I would assume worse case and that is corroding all of your copper wiring resulting in thousands of dollars to rewire your house. 


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 26, 2015, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: John.K1 on November 26, 2015, 07:55:13 AM
What the "Anodic behavior" actually means???

Hi John.K1. Different metals will behave as either an anode or cathode when in direct contact with
other metals or substances, or when placed into an electrolyte. The anode is the part which is more positive in
voltage relative to the cathode. A similar sort of effect is made use of in electrolysis and electroplating, and the same
sort of effect is used in battery cells (galvanic action).  These are all well known and well understood effects.
Whether oxidizing copper wire using NaOH causes the copper wire to have any special free energy usage characteristics
beyond just being coated with oxidation remains to be demonstrated by someone.  Keshe and his followers
have so far not demonstrated anything beyond a simple galvanic (battery) effect with their 'plasma cells', that
I have seen demonstrated anyway. :)

Galvanic Corrosion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 27, 2015, 01:48:50 AM
Hi Void,
I do understand what anode and cathode is. But when we speak about anodic behavior, does that means when I will use coated copper as an anode and different cathodic material as a cathode in the vacume tube, will they couse current flow from their nature without conecton to the battery? Or may be evoked by exposing to cosmic rays - out door.
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 08:16:04 AM
Headquarters Home Site.

http://keshefoundation.org/ (http://keshefoundation.org/)
                                                                                           .
                                                                                                                  .
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 27, 2015, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: John.K1 on November 27, 2015, 01:48:50 AM
Hi Void,
I do understand what anode and cathode is. But when we speak about anodic behavior, does that means when I will use coated copper as an anode and different cathodic material as a cathode in the vacume tube, will they couse current flow from their nature without conecton to the battery? Or may be evoked by exposing to cosmic rays - out door.

Hi John.K1. I think you are misunderstanding what was meant by the anodic behavior of the copper wire when immersed in NaOH.
I think they mean that the copper wire acts like an anode when immersed in NaOH, and thus the copper wire begins to break
down and corrode on its surface. This only applies when it is immersed in the NaOH. Once the copper wire is removed from the
NaOH, there is no further anodic behavior, assuming you rinse off the copper wire in distilled water to remove any residual
NaOH from the copper wire.


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 27, 2015, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: Void on November 27, 2015, 09:16:43 AM
Hi John.K1. I think you are misunderstanding what was meant by the anodic behavior of the copper wire when immersed in NaOH.
.......

Possibly. I was actually expecting the layer has properties something like Electret. This is why I want to run some current through the wire when the layer builds up.
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 11:46:14 AM


http://pesn.com/2012/09/01/9602174_Keshe_Energy_Technology_Replications_Galore/ (http://pesn.com/2012/09/01/9602174_Keshe_Energy_Technology_Replications_Galore/)

                                                                                                                                  .
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 11:53:46 AM
http://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/


                                                                                     .
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 12:02:26 PM

Click on this Link to Download their BluePrint File (Do It Yourself Instructions)

http://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.html (http://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.html)


                                                                                                        .





                                                                                       
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Nink on November 27, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
OK I see how it works now.

First you make a donation of 300 Euro (Donation is non refundable)
Next you pay for the device 500 Euro + Shipping

Now the device takes 21 days to start to work = Interest free loan
Then you have to select the right phase (You connected it back to front)
Now wait another 21 days. 
Now various troubleshooting via email we can keep this going for a month.  Time to get a refund

Ship back your device (pay your own shipping) and in  few months we give you your money back. 

So far Keshe is now up 300 Euro and have a 3 month+ Interest free loan and a device I can sell again.   

Brilliant

The only other way I can see this working is if the copper is covered in pixi dust  Fairies fly down to collect the dust and when their wings touch together they generate static electricity. The static electricity generated is then transferred back into the copper core via osmosis.   The fairies now begin to line up on the copper like a black friday sale waiting to get their pix dust. In the process pixi dust particles begin to coat the length of the copper so more fairies come to get the pixi dust.    Fairies of course are invisible and this is why some people said when they held their hand over the Magrav their hand becomes invisible.   

Time to take my meds


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 12:21:39 PM
Working Unit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiL9i2xJfSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiL9i2xJfSE)

                                                                                    .
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 27, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 12:21:39 PM
Working Unit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiL9i2xJfSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiL9i2xJfSE)

It is not a working unit. It is a magrav replication attempt that has been built and plugged into
the mains. A 'working magrav unit' would be one that is obviously generating excess power at
the output above what is being drawn from the mains. This video of course demonstrates nothing like that.
As yet, I haven't come across any videos by anyone, including the Keshe Foundation, that demonstrates
a Keshe device generating over unity.



Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 27, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Nink on November 27, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
OK I see how it works now.
First you make a donation of 300 Euro (Donation is non refundable)
Next you pay for the device 500 Euro + Shipping

You forgot the tax they are charging as well. ;) Some people have pointed out that charging VAT
to people in other countries outside of Italy is not correct, but the Keshe Foundation seems to
be ignoring anyone who raises questions about that. I also doubt that the Keshe Foundation
would give refunds for the 500 Euros. They say nothing about allowing returns that I have seen,
but do keep repeating after every instruction step in the magrav instruction manual that failure to
follow each instruction step properly voids the warranty, but I sincerely doubt there would be any way to
tell for certain whether someone has followed the magrav step by step break-in period instructions
to the letter or not. It appears that if you can't get a magrav device working you will probably just be told
you didn't follow the instructions properly, or they will otherwise probably tell you that you may have
to leave the magrav plugged in for a year or longer before it can accustom to the weak energy fields in your area,
or that the energy fields or vibes in your area must be really bad so it won't work in your area, or various other
silly excuses. Just watch and see. ;D Keshe and his followers have already said things such as your faith and intentions
play an important role in how it works. So if your magrav device doesn't work then it might also be the end user's fault.
Their heart chakra is not open enough or their mind is too weak or clouded, or there are just too many bad vibes
in their location, or maybe that Satan is working to prevent these devices from working. ;D
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 27, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
In other word his device works. it is able to teleport money from your pocket to Mr Keshes :) 

In one of his presentation he teach how to make a battery never last.  Just wrap the cell  by coated wire and Gans   :)   Very simple. And he was talking very seriously about that. I have no time to find that video now, but it is on YouTube ;)
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 27, 2015, 01:36:49 PM
Hi John.K1. In the '68th Knowledge Seekers Workshop' video, they show how to assemble such
a 'plasma cell', but it just appears to be some dissimilar metals with electrolyte in between, (copper wire,
aluminum foil, and and zinc on the outside, which will produce a voltage due to the galvanic  (battery) effect.
They don't demonstrate anything in that particular video that looks like anything beyond an ordinary battery cell effect
to me.  Maybe there is some other video that shows something beyond a basic galvanic voltage effect, but if there is
I haven't seen it. :)


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: John.K1 on November 27, 2015, 01:39:33 PM
Watch and learn   :) :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWAQU-ewXg
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: FatBird on November 27, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
His accent is so bad I can't understand him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWAQU-ewXg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWAQU-ewXg)

                                                                                                             .
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: forest on November 27, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
So, tha saddest thing is then meanwhile people working hard trying to create working OU systems are haveing no resources , no funds, no support, no donations...and they still do not collapse , do not despair, do not stop working  ....

Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on November 27, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
I forgot to mention that his messiahness, our creator, Mehran Keshe, made a prediction on Sept 17, 2015 that
there will be several massive earthquakes on the west and east coast of the USA and Mexico areas down
to Central America, which his messiahness says he thinks will cause massive tsunamis, which will wipe out 
about 10 to 20 million people on the east and west coasts of the USA and Mexico and Central America and
the Caribbean, and with similar losses on the east coast of China, and which will cause North and South America
to be ripped completely apart in the Central America region. Apparently our creator, his messiahness Mehran Keshe, may
his holy feet bless us with their presence, is not sure if this will come to pass, but he seems to be implying that he thinks it
may be in the not too distant future.

Not to worry however. Delusional cult leader types typically make grandiose predictions like this which don't ever come to pass.
His messiahness, our creator,  says it is only something that he thinks might happen. If God's son can't be sure, then
it is probably not very sure. ;)


Keshe Prediction - Earthquake and tsunami West Coast USA and Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKI2bwdeu30

MEGA-EARTHQUAKE could SPLIT continents and kill millions, warns nuclear scientist
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/612076/MEGA-EARTHQUAKE-will-SPLIT-continents-killing-40-million-with-tsunamis-THIS-WEEKEND

Those who believe Mr. Keshe without question might want to start building a sturdy sea going boat in your back yard right away. ;)
Be sure to pack away lots of groceries and fresh drinking water.  Since Mr. Keshe stated that the world economy will completely collapse
when all this happens, then there is no need to hang on to your money as it will be worthless at that point. Anyone who would
like to get rid of their useless money can send it to me if they like, and I will be happy to dispose of it for you. :D
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: SoManyWires on November 28, 2015, 03:38:20 AM
Quote from: Void on November 27, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
I forgot to mention that his messiahness, our creator, Mehran Keshe, made a prediction on Sept 17, 2015 that
there will be several massive earthquakes on the west and east coast of the USA and Mexico areas down
to Central America, which his messiahness says he thinks will cause massive tsunamis, which will wipe out 
about 10 to 20 million people on the east and west coasts of the USA and Mexico and Central America and
the Caribbean, and with similar losses on the east coast of China, and which will cause North and South America
to be ripped completely apart in the Central America region. Apparently our creator, his messiahness Mehran Keshe, may
his holy feet bless us with their presence, is not sure if this will come to pass, but he seems to be implying that he thinks it
may be in the not too distant future.

Not to worry however. Delusional cult leader types typically make grandiose predictions like this which don't ever come to pass.
His messiahness, our creator,  says it is only something that he thinks might happen. If God's son can't be sure, then
it is probably not very sure. ;)


Keshe Prediction - Earthquake and tsunami West Coast USA and Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKI2bwdeu30

MEGA-EARTHQUAKE could SPLIT continents and kill millions, warns nuclear scientist
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/612076/MEGA-EARTHQUAKE-will-SPLIT-continents-killing-40-million-with-tsunamis-THIS-WEEKEND

Those who believe Mr. Keshe without question might want to start building a sturdy sea going boat in your back yard right away. ;)
Be sure to pack away lots of groceries and fresh drinking water.  Since Mr. Keshe stated that the world economy will completely collapse
when all this happens, then there is no need to hang on to your money as it will be worthless at that point. Anyone who would
like to get rid of their useless money can send it to me if they like, and I will be happy to dispose of it for you. :D

the messiahs have taken leave from ones senses and become unhinged following too many ventures down a driveway that does not meet to the road.


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Nink on December 07, 2015, 09:18:33 PM
It turns out the guy we have been watching who purchased the Magrav device has now been told he received a faulty unit and it needs to be replaced and this is why it uses the same amount of watts with or without the device.  Who would have guessed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpVpyuMY4WQ   
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: MagnaProp on December 07, 2015, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Void on November 27, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
...Keshe Prediction - Earthquake and tsunami West Coast USA and Mexico ...
The Cascadia subduction zone is real. Not really if, but when as far as it happening. Doubt it'll split the continent and kill millions but it could potentially take out a few thousand. Me being on the west coast. If it happens and you don't hear back from me, it's been nice knowing all of you :-*

If it triggers the Yellowstone supervolcano then it's pretty much lights out for the US. Fun times ahead.

Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: francobrunoc on December 08, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
Hi folks. This video has been relaesed a few days later. In my opinion (don't minding how this shit works) there are many possibles to fake in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlUQ9YOmTFo
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on December 09, 2015, 07:21:58 AM
Quote from: MagnaProp on December 07, 2015, 09:53:25 PM
The Cascadia subduction zone is real. Not really if, but when as far as it happening. Doubt it'll split the continent and kill millions but it could potentially take out a few thousand. Me being on the west coast. If it happens and you don't hear back from me, it's been nice knowing all of you :-*

If it triggers the Yellowstone supervolcano then it's pretty much lights out for the US. Fun times ahead.

Yes, scientists say they expect large earthquakes at places along the west coast of North America in the coming years,
but what Keshe 'predicted' goes way beyond that. Keshe said massive earthquakes and tsunamis on *both* the east and west coasts, 
and closer to the Mexico area, with Mexico and Central America supposedly taking the worst of it, and North and
South America becoming completely split in the process. What Keshe was babbling about goes way beyond anything
scientists have been proposing as as a possibility in the coming years. Keshe also declared himself to be the messiah,
so I think that pretty much puts it fully into context. ;D


Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Void on December 09, 2015, 07:31:17 AM
Quote from: francobrunoc on December 08, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
Hi folks. This video has been relaesed a few days later. In my opinion (don't minding how this shit works) there are many possibles to fake in this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlUQ9YOmTFo

I would guess it is probably not 'faked', as comparing input and output current says nothing about
the ratio of average output power to average input power. The voltage on the output could very well be
lower than the input voltage of what I think should be 230V RMS or so for Australia, and a drill is an
inductive load so you may well have a significant reactive current into the drill.  The only valid comparison
is to compare the ratio of output power to input power, and those have to be measured properly taking
into account the power factor. :)




Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: Nink on December 09, 2015, 09:27:11 AM
Quote from: francobrunoc on December 08, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
Hi folks. This video has been relaesed a few days later. In my opinion (don't minding how this shit works) there are many possibles to fake in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlUQ9YOmTFo

I can think of a lot simpler ways to build a step down transformer

I like the electrician running around with the voltage tester :-)
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: francobrunoc on December 09, 2015, 09:33:33 AM
Sorry, this shit don't need to be fake because don't expose anything useful..
Title: Re: Someone got their Keshe Magrav device
Post by: MagnaProp on December 09, 2015, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Void on December 09, 2015, 07:21:58 AM
...what Keshe 'predicted' goes way beyond that...Keshe also declared himself to be the messiah, so I think that pretty much puts it fully into context. ;D
Yes. I think our messiah might have taken a little creative license with known events that will occur. In about 5 billion years I predict the sun will destroy the earth. I am the true messiah ::)



Quote from: francobrunoc on December 08, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
Hi folks. This video has been relaesed a few days later. In my opinion (don't minding how this shit works) there are many possibles to fake in this video...
Good to see replicators starting to report. It'll take a little more than a few bearded hippies with an led pointer that beeps to convince me as well. I still hold out hope for this device and will keep my fingers crossed, but not too tightly, for our messiah to deliver us free energy.