HopeGirl is going after my YT account by filing copyright claims against some of my videos that document the various false claims made by Fix The World. YouTube has taken down at least one such video and has restricted my account. I've disputed the Copyright Strike, but this process required me to submit my personal details, address etc. and this information will be sent to HopeGirl/FTW. Apparently this begins some legal process and they (FTW) will be required to sue me in court now to make their copyright claim stick.
I doubt if they will actually be willing to sue me from Morocco, especially since they will be forced to admit in court that they have made false claims and have collected lots and lots of money under false pretenses, as well as fleeing to Morocco in the first place. But since they will now have my address, I don't know what else to expect from them.
They are clearly trying to have my entire YT account (nearly 800 videos) taken down, and because of the way YT operates this is a real possibility. "Guilty until proven innocent" seems to be the way they operate.
If they try to sue me in court, I hereby give notice that I will countersue and they will be forced to admit in court that they do not have what they have claimed to have-- as well as other embarrassing details such as why they have fled to Morocco.
Dang that sucks T. So they shut down all of it because you didnt want to give your info?
That would be a great loss
Mags
Oh. I see. Your vids still play . What does restricted acct mean?
Mags
Well that's an obligation you certainly didn't need to hassle with Tinsel.
I'm sure there is some way to turn these lemons into lemonade. It's a two-way street and we can play the same games they do.
Just in case anyone has forgotten:
Quote from: Magluvin on February 20, 2016, 01:09:28 AM
Oh. I see. Your vids still play . What does restricted acct mean?
Mags
The one video of less than one minute length has been taken down. For six months, I lose the ability to upload videos longer than 15 minutes, I lose the ability to dispute content claims, I lose the ability to use custom thumbnails, to make my videos private or unlisted, and some others.
I disputed the Copyright Strike because I believe in good faith that the material in that video is used under the Fair Use doctrine, as educational, forensic, parody and criticism of the FTW false claims. It is the video where I used a small excerpt from her statement that poor Jamie was working in an unheated laboratory in the cold Pennsylvania winter -- a totally ridiculous claim from someone who is supposed to have a 10 kW Free Energy Generator running itself with no power input.
This kind of reminds me of the "Down Wind Faster Than The Wind" fiasco where everyone and their dog felt oblidged to expose the scammers. Oh they ranted and they raved, they spoke of perpetual motion machines and the violation of the laws of conservation. The want to be experts also spoke of law suits to shut those scammers down to protect the stupid from themselves.
However then something strange happened... the engineers built there DWFTTW machine and went 2.86 times faster than the wind directly down wind. http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/ (http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/)
Oh the humanity that everyone could be so wrong, that the crowd belittled and badgered these people not unlike some dark ages witch hunt could be so wrong about everything. However nobody likes to talk about that and this groundbreaking technology has all but disappeared into history. Nobody likes being wrong, moreso when they open their big mouth about things they do not understand and have no real facts one way or another then get caught with their pants down.
You have to see the humor in it. Rage...Rage at the world. Hate..Hate those who think differently and hope to change the world. I find it comical because all those people out their changing this world really don't give a damn what we think. I find comfort in this fact that they will do what they do regardless of what the crowd may believe.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on February 20, 2016, 02:08:12 AM
This kind of reminds me of the "Down Wind Faster Than The Wind" fiasco where everyone and their dog felt oblidged to expose the scammers. Oh they ranted and they raved, they spoke of perpetual motion machines and the violation of the laws of conservation. The want to be experts also spoke of law suits to shut those scammers down to protect the stupid from themselves.
However then something strange happened... the engineers built there DWFTTW machine and went 2.86 times faster than the wind directly down wind. http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/ (http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/)
Oh the humanity that everyone could be so wrong, that the crowd belittled and badgered these people not unlike some dark ages witch hunt could be so wrong about everything. However nobody likes to talk about that and this groundbreaking technology has all but disappeared into history. Nobody likes being wrong, moreso when they open their big mouth about things they do not understand and have no real facts one way or another then get caught with their pants down.
You have to see the humor in it. Rage...Rage at the world. Hate..Hate those who think differently and hope to change the world. I find it comical because all those people out their changing this world really don't give a damn what we think. I find comfort in this fact that they will do what they do regardless of what the crowd may believe.
AC
You seem to be ignoring some critical differences between that case and this one. In the first place, those real engineers did not solicit donations based on outright lies. They did not attack their critics with false claims of violating YT community guidelines or copyright violations. They did not flee to Morocco (no extradition treaty with USA) to avoid the consequences of their actions. They did not engage in false advertising, false claims of overunity. They did not sell "educational" seminars or consulting sessions which pretend to teach people how to do what they cannot do themselves. They did not sucker hundreds of people into spending many many thousands of dollars for something that will never work as advertised, and they certainly did not lie about having working prototypes.
The FTW organization is linked to the One People's Public Trust. You may enjoy researching that organization and learning about their RV tour of the USA several years ago, and the history of US court cases involving people in that organization. It will become clear to you why the FTW people have fled to Morocco alongside the OPPT principal Heather Tucci-Jarraf.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People's_Public_Trust
Nothing of this sort has happened with the "downwind faster than the wind" case. And there is nothing about that system that violates any laws, either those of Man or of Nature. This is in stark contrast to the FTW scam.
The "downwind faster than the wind" BS is an obvious attempt to hijack and obfuscate THIS thread.
The downwind BS needs to be argued (or ignored) in a separate thread PLEASE!
CANGAS 205
@TK
one quick question: have you found evidence that the material you copied was actually copyrighted in the country Stephan hosts this website in? (if so, you may actually have violated the allowable 10s by ~5s)
Also, if you are in need of a legal personell, or direction towards the laws in the country, that may apply to this particular case
(if such case were to manifest itself....)
Or, if you happen to know the address of some unnamed individual in Pennsylvania that may need some "assistance" in understanding for accepted social behavior of American citizens.....
I'm here for ya bro
Quote from: allcanadian on February 20, 2016, 02:08:12 AM
This kind of reminds me of the "Down Wind Faster Than The Wind" fiasco where everyone and their dog felt oblidged to expose the scammers. Oh they ranted and they raved, they spoke of perpetual motion machines and the violation of the laws of conservation. The want to be experts also spoke of law suits to shut those scammers down to protect the stupid from themselves.
However then something strange happened... the engineers built there DWFTTW machine and went 2.86 times faster than the wind directly down wind. http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/ (http://www.wired.com/2010/06/downwind-faster-than-the-wind/)
Oh the humanity that everyone could be so wrong, that the crowd belittled and badgered these people not unlike some dark ages witch hunt could be so wrong about everything. However nobody likes to talk about that and this groundbreaking technology has all but disappeared into history. Nobody likes being wrong, moreso when they open their big mouth about things they do not understand and have no real facts one way or another then get caught with their pants down.
You have to see the humor in it. Rage...Rage at the world. Hate..Hate those who think differently and hope to change the world. I find it comical because all those people out their changing this world really don't give a damn what we think. I find comfort in this fact that they will do what they do regardless of what the crowd may believe.
AC
First, please do not assume a velocity of the vehicle to be comparable to the velocity of the wind on any type of "energetically conservative" platform.... these do not even relate to each other, except by radius of the wheels and perpendicular surface of
the wind conversion unit.
The reason everyone stopped playing with this, it because we completely understood how it worked.
Yes, you can use wind power to drive a car (when and where the wind is blowing), the math on this is exactly like that of a wind generator. If your propeller is of sufficient radius, and angle, surface area, etc. then you will have the proper energy to drive the car of x mass, with y frictional coefficient , and z size wheels.
This is not over unity.
This is wind power.
The claims made by the inventors were plainly FALSE!
The exact amount of "extra energy" they claimed to obtain, was within the value of the wind used to do so.
It was slightly less efficient than using a stationary windmill to charge the batteries.
What do you do when the wind slows or stops?
or when you drive behind a wall or through a tunnel?
past a mountain
That is why we didn't mass produce these things.
I had one myself when this idea first came out,
it works in the wind, it works with a fan.
as long as the wind turbine gives you more torque than the reverse wind resistance pushes the car in the opposite direction,
than it works.
the more aerodynamic the vehicle, the more precise the turbine, the faster you can make the electric motor drive the car.
generally, the fan blade has to be 4-5 times greater diameter than the motor it runs.
at least!
there is no "overunity" there,. but it is a creative use for wind energy.
Bottom line is,. much like the QEG propagators, they are false in their claims.
If they are not blatantly lying, this means they are utterly incompetent, and should not be the public relations people
for their corporation....
personally I think the creators of the QEG should be sued by several authoritative agencies of the sciences for use of the term
"Quantum" to describe their devices or technologies.
Unless provided they are able to produce a single quantum equation that relates to ANY of the energies measureable in their devices.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on February 20, 2016, 02:51:21 AM
@TK
one quick question: have you found evidence that the material you copied was actually copyrighted in the country Stephan hosts this website in? (if so, you may actually have violated the allowable 10s by ~5s)
This has nothing to do with this forum, it's strictly a YouTube matter. I'm just announcing it here to show everyone what the "Fix The World" people are up to. They will stoop to any depths to try to censor and silence their critics. Of course their false claims are still available on the internet for all to see, no matter what happens to me and my videos.
Quote
Also, if you are in need of a legal personell, or direction towards the laws in the country, that may apply to this particular case
(if such case were to manifest itself....)
Thanks for your offer of help. I really don't think it will come to that, but just in case it's nice to know someone cares.
Quote
Or, if you happen to know the address of some unnamed individual in Pennsylvania that may need some "assistance" in understanding for accepted social behavior of American citizens.....
I'm here for ya bro
I doubt if there is anyone left in Pennsylvania who is on the FTW side. They've all fled to Morocco and I doubt if it would be "prudent" for any of them to return to the USA for any reason.
What I find really unfair about this is that I had to give YT my name, address, and make a sworn statement in order to dispute this thing, and this private information will be given to "Fix the World", but I don't get their information in return. And of course... they are in Morocco where there is no extradition treaty with USA and they are immune to US justice.
Well, I have a big database documenting their claims, their fundraising campaigns and etc. that will be sure to amuse any judge or lawyer that cares to look at it.
"HopeGirl" (whose name we do know, it's publicly available) knows fully well that the claims of having a self-running prototype were and are still false and won't stand up in court.
But now that they have my name and address.... if anything "unusual" should happen to me or my home we will know the likely source, won't we.
Oh It's all starting to fit now, what's going on, TK all the strange goings on, and the guy with the differant names, it wasso strong you could feel it. and still is.
TK:
My advice to you is to walk away. Naima Feagin and her gang may have won two years ago, but they have lost now. It's highly unlikely that they are ever going to raise the kind of money they raised in the past. A Google search on anything related to those scammers will have links within the first five search results that say they are scammers. As long as "bad" search results come up on the first page on your monitor they are toast.
So they have already lost, and even if your "voice" on some of your YouTube videos is taken away, the critical mass is always going to be there that states that they are scammers. There is no way they are ever going to be able to change their search footprint.
The world's largest solar reflector power plant was just launched in Morocco, a nice milestone for renewable energy, and there lies Naima and her gang running out of money. Talk about an amusing juxtaposition. The gang is probably living in a hovel at this point and worrying about what kind of new illicit scheme they can dream up to keep putting food on the table. They are marginalized scammers in rags at this point - at least in my mind.
Don't spend a single cent. My suggestion would be to kiss YouTube's ass for the sake of your whole channel. In about one hour your could probably find a few email addresses for Naima, Val, Janie, and then compose a nice rant email to YouTube bowing to their demands and copying the Fix the World gang. You can unload on them and humiliate them but don't go too far and have then come after you for the email.
Then walk away with the comfort that you have done your part and they can't touch you.
MileHigh
P.S.: To Naima because she is almost certainly reading this: SHAME ON YOU!
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 20, 2016, 12:47:09 AM
...
I've disputed the Copyright Strike, but this process required me to submit my personal details, address etc. and this information will be sent to HopeGirl/FTW.
...
Sorry to hear about this nasty behaviour, especially from a group claiming to 'Fix the World' - obviously a different meaning of the word 'Fix'! ;-)
One thing you must do, now that they have your address, is to make it very clear, in all public channels at your disposal, that NONE of the documents/files etc. which you hold and which catalog their lies & false claims are stored at your home address (wouldn't be a bad idea to temporarily move out any difficult-to-replace equipment or builds, to a distant friendly location)
All the best with your stand for the truth!
np
Tinsel you're a clever guy, you are the man who could help them, (the people who cant get it to work that is) and yet they scorn an harass you instead of asking for your help. It's really disgusting the lengths some will go to protect a huge organisation.
Sorry to hear of this stressful time TK. If you did not contest, what would have been the worst outcome? Its a shame you had to give your detail out.
Tinsel
Just got back from a road trip and noticed this
If there is anything we can do to help .
Just ask.
would be a privilege to assist you.
Chet
I'll bet FTW is just blowing hot air. I doubt they would have sued. Only concern might be their fanatic religious followers might come knocking to try converting you - LOL.
TK:
This is terrible! There is no way she is going to sue you because she would have to come to the jurisdiction in which the alleged "violation" took place. This means she would have to come back to the US where the U.S. Marshalls probably have some paperwork for her as well as a place to stay for a number of years. (I am not an attorney nor do I give legal advice and nothing I type here, or anywhere, is to be construed as legal advice of any kind)
If preventing fraud is not fair use then, I suppose I don't know what is. There are a lot of us that will help you in any way we can. If contacting Youtube would help, let me know.
Bill
TK:
I thought you might find this video informative as it deals with a similar situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-O7WANBW_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-O7WANBW_Y)
Bill
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 20, 2016, 01:32:21 AM
The one video of less than one minute length has been taken down. For six months, I lose the ability to upload videos longer than 15 minutes, I lose the ability to dispute content claims, I lose the ability to use custom thumbnails, to make my videos private or unlisted, and some others.
Yup, "Guilty Till Proven Innocent".
"All a tyranny needs to prosper is for good men to say nothing."
Incidentally, this is one of the reasons why I don't have a YouTube account.
I mourn with you, the extortion of your private details ...now Google, NSA and the USgov has it, too. They might sell it to other corporations later. ...and the Moroccans can rob your lab now >:(
@Tinselkoala,
You have a tendency to lean to hard on people.
Quote from: TinselKoala on February 20, 2016, 12:47:09 AM
TK,
As you know, I have been going against Naima Feagin and Dijon Roos for a few months now.
I have stopped reporting this here because of kickback I got from Ramset and Tinman.
Despite trying to show FTW in a negative light with REAL reports from replicators, it was me
that got the run around and threats.
Anyhoo,
I was unsuccessful at persuading the Canadian lady to cease funding them (to the tune of $120,000),
but was 100% successful at stopping them from using crowdfunding websites.
They are
MOSTLY uanaware of my involvement (possibly since I am an IT guy).
I have various (lots of) evidences saved on my hard drive,
including the infamous interview with Sterling.
If there is anything you need, please reach out.
I am willing to be used as any sort of reference you may need against this.Pete
Hi TK..
It is simple. download all your youtube videos and upload them to another site in case You tube removes your account.
2. Ignore this and just look after your work.
3. Don't waste money on litigation. This can become a significant psychological and financial drain on you. So simply ignore it.
Ramaswami
Pete [PIH123]
Please don't rewrite history or your intent here !
Your anonymous 3rd degree public interrogation /abuse of member Gotoluc by his full name in a dedicated thread using his name [since removed] was exactly what got you poked in the chest , your ignorant assumptions and innuendos regarding Luc in this matter were appalling to say the least.
and now you paint once again with the broad brush of ignorance and arrogance involving members here [myself now and Brad [Tinman] in some fantasy of yours regarding these people and what exactly ??
what are you alleging NOW regarding myself.. Brad [TinMan] and these people ??
If you are going to start make-believe court cases here and taking public depositions from members regarding their involvement in these Scams by Proxy or ignorance [calling Luc and others here a Coward ??] , and you yourself are completely ignorant of what even transpired ...??
the PM function works just fine here ,a ten second PM to Luc would have sufficed .
Now you try to Paint a Turd with a Golden Brush and in doing so are attaching {YET AGAIN} persons here "by name" to this
QEG ..nonsense.
??
your willingness to make all manner of public assumptions and innuendos here about OU.com members and their involvement in
This QEG Fiasco ... on a complete whim ....is most disturbing to say the least !
Your half measured anonymous attempts to save some Lady from the wolves would probably have been better served by putting on your Big Boy Boots and playing hardball with these fleecing Moroccan's .
but first you should get your facts straight Bud !!
Chet K
Quote from: MileHigh on February 20, 2016, 04:46:44 AM
The world's largest solar reflector power plant was just launched in Morocco, a nice milestone for renewable energy,
This is amazing what is going on in that arena,.
Starting with the prime minister of Italy, followed in suit by 35 other countries across the earth. (u.s. included!)
I just wish everyone would give Eric his due credit for making all this possible.
After the MythBusters scam, and all the naysayers, etc.... I bet he is eating his pie laughing at the world right now....
The problem with YouTube is
they, themselves, pretend to be a "copyright" authority.
once posted on youtube, a video is considered to be copyrighted by the terms of service agreement.
So, to even copy one youtube video and repost it on youtube, is a violation of their copyright protection rules.
Now, since YouTube does not actually file a piece of paper with each video, to the U.S.P.T.O.
None of this holds up in the court of law.
It does, however, hold up within their system, and if you value access and usage of your YouTube Account,
you should refrain from violating their imaginary copyright rules, within their server.
If you cannot refrain from doing so, I would recommend creating a secondary YouTube account, from which to post questionable material. That way if something "happens", you don't lose access to your primary account.
In most cases, using a second account within a server, is "malicious", or "deviant", but in this case, the owners of the server
brought this situation to themselves, by failure to investigate copyright claims, and siding with the complainant, ad verum.
S
o, when it comes to YouTube, I personally have no quarrels with anyone owning several YT accts, to accomplish their goals.
When the producer of the show forced our famous genius team to proclaim the Archimedes device a "myth"....
Now, we see the technology popping up all over the world.
Eric Jacqmain should get a Nobel Prize or at least a commendation.
Smoky2:
QuoteI just wish everyone would give Eric (Jacqmain) his due credit for making all this possible.
What, for "discovering" the parabola and the mirror?
Hey, in grade 7 at lunch time I used to go on the balcony with a magnifying glass and burn holes in newspaper. A couple of times I even managed to get the newspaper to catch fire. Eric Jacqmain probably wasn't even born when I did that. I want a Nobel Prize also.
What about that dance floor and the trons and the hoes? What's that all about?
MileHigh
Chet:
QuotePete [PIH123]
Please don't rewrite history or your intent here !
Your anonymous 3rd degree public interrogation /abuse of member Gotoluc by his full name in a dedicated thread using his name [since removed] was exactly what got you poked in the chest , your ignorant assumptions and innuendos regarding Luc in this matter were appalling to say the least.
Stop the Thought Police nonsense.
What's a typical pattern for almost everybody: Start replicating some new found clip on YouTube with some kind of free energy pitch. Do a few clips and report results. Keep testing with discouraging results. Say nothing, let thread die. Do not come back and report any final negative conclusion, show no accountability. Thread is dead. No opportunity for people searching on the alleged free energy pitch to find reported results from a replicator that it did not work as claimed. Scammer that made YouTube pitch continues on their merry way trying to bait new cu$tomer$.
Luc follows the pattern very often. Pete was trying to help a woman not part with one hundred and twenty thousand dollars that might comprise the bulk of her own personal wealth. He simply was trying to get Luc to invoke closure on his experiments. There is nothing wrong with that, and in fact it was a noble thing to do.
Stop your Thought Police tactics. It's your behaviour that is the appalling behaviour.
MileHigh
Officer Mile High
It would be much better for you to put your foot back in your mouth and stop playing with Members lives here.
you have played this tune for quite some time and Now you Place Luc on an "accomplice " footing with this QEG
fiasco because of some completely passive attempts he made with a few Microwave Oven Transformers some paper clips chewing Gum and a few rolls of Bailing wire .
Your true intensions are apparent by Your indictment above of Luc and others because they don't behave the way you wish ,
and follow your Rules of conduct ??
who is playing what here ??Thought police ??
the pot is calling the Kettle Black and throwing stones from a glass house.
But we can discuss this Much further elsewhere [in another thread]
START ONE PLEASE !!!
Chet K
PS
I will be dusting off the Steelcage and reviewing the rules [No Biting Gouging sharp objects etc etc]
PPS
Today is family day so I may take a while to respond...
QuoteNow you Place Luc on an "accomplice " footing with this QEG fiasco
Don't play straw man, I never said anything like that at all.
Heaven forbid that you ask someone to summarize their results so that a quintessential "little old lady" doesn't make a very bad decision and give her money to scammers. That's exactly the same spirit that TK was bringing to the table with his QEG videos and he is righteous for doing it.
What's are the new buzz phrases? Triggering a "micro-aggression" and "safe space?"
Have you heard of Melissa Click?
P.S.: I was threatened by your buddy Luc for expressing the human emotion of frustration.
Quote from: MileHigh on February 21, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
Smoky2:
What, for "discovering" the parabola and the mirror?
Hey, in grade 7 at lunch time I used to go on the balcony with a magnifying glass and burn holes in newspaper. A couple of times I even managed to get the newspaper to catch fire. Eric Jacqmain probably wasn't even born when I did that. I want a Nobel Prize also.
What about that dance floor and the trons and the hoes? What's that all about?
MileHigh
Actually, he didn't "discover" anything.
He joined into the topic well after the discussion had begun, concerning the original Archimedes documents.
What he did was actually BUILD IT, while the rest of us sat around talking about the "what if's"
and paid to host his own website, demonstrating to the world that it could generate large amounts of heat.
(much better than a magnifying glass, because of the difference between refraction and reflection)
The "parabola" was not part of the original design, it was used for simplicity of aiming the mirrors,
and actually DECREASES efficiency of heat transfer.
the more efficient use of the technology is a flat-panel like Archimedes describes in his papers.
This is most easily observed in the military units in Nevada.
The first two were parabolas, the 3rd was a flat-panel reflector.
The flat-panel allows for (closer to) perpendicular angle of incident light at the focal point.
Thus a higher Temp. inside the solar oven, than the parabola design of the same surface area.
without Eric, the technology might not have ever left the pages of these forums.
I myself didn't build my first solar death ray until I watched eric graduate from burning the ex-x-box-box,
to melting his actual x-box, burning holes in tin cans, etc.
If the historical track of the events were not related in chronological order,
Why then, did the rest of the world "wait" 1800+ years to start build these things?
We could ignore what Eric did, or blow it off as just some kid playing with the sun in his backyard....
Or we could thank him for his efforts in assisting mankind with bringing this tech to light. (pun intended)
With what resulted in a doubling of solar conversion per area across the board, when compared to normal conversion techs.
Did eric do it by himself? of course not, a lot of people contributed to the topic, to unearth this tech.
But without people like this, taking of themselves, and giving to the world:
The Battle of Syracuse would still be a fairy tale. Now we know it to be true.
This is how we "fix" the world.
Not by the magic of some "free energy sorcerer" and his secrets.
But by taking what we learn and making it public for all the world to see.
This is the path that leads to giant solar death rays creating electricity around the planet,
and Joule Thief's being taught and tested in college classrooms
Wind Generators with no moving parts
the rare and great things that people come here to find.
Should you contribute to something valuable, would you have it that we sweep you under the rug, and push forward?
Do you think the principals used in QEG's, was originally their own discovery?
You'll find it quite amusing to examine the history on THAT one.
But should anything actually come of it, they will be the only ones standing there to take credit.
but fell free to ignore this minor detail... I mean the richest corporations in the world are using parabolas aren't they?
Officer Mile High
If your gonna talk out both sides of your mouth maybe you should turn around so I can hear you better?
You have had it out for Luc and others here for quite some time ,Your Buddy Pete got swept up in your double speak
Kumbuya .. "lets help the old lady and interrogate Luc" special thread mission..
I learned a long time ago to treat people the way I would want to be treated myself ,and I would offer you or anyone else the same ..
I would NEVER anonymously go after a known forum member or builder so as to hold him to some personal MAKE BELIEVE standard that I felt I had the right to impose on his efforts ?? especially when said efforts hold absolutely no value whatsoever
towards My alleged cause ..sans "make believe"...
where do you get off calling that a NOBLE CAUSE ??
Straw man My Tookus
you have an agenda here and it is all about your last few posts ..and your "SEtting Standards" or teaching or some other
delusion.
start a thread ,I won't discuss your nonsense here ,this garbage needs to stop !
Later or next time.. its your call
but not here.. this is way to important.
Chet
This is, indeed, very important.
We have some cons going after one of our own here...TK. I, for one, do not think that we should put up with that.
Maybe someone should flag ALL of their videos on Youtube? I mean, what is good for the goose is good for the gander and all...right? Hey, it ain't over until the fat lady sings...of course, it is hard to sing when your mouth is stuffed with food but, hey, who am I to judge?
Draw your own conclusions.
Bill
PS This is just a hypothetical "what if". What if, folks opened a new Youtube account and then, maybe by accident...who knows...flags all of the save the world scammer vids? It might be cool if say...30 folks did this? 1 is all that is needed for their vids to be taken down like TK's...but 30, or 100 flags might send a message that we are not to be messed with. Again, just a thought experiment and wondering out loud.
@pirate88179
QuoteThis is, indeed, very important.[/size]We have some cons going after one of our own here...TK. I, for one, do not think that we should put up with that.
No it is very much unimportant.
To my knowledge not TK nor MH have ever so much as theorized how me might succeed only why we cannot and are doomed to failure. They have never offered hope only belittled and condemned those who even try. They are not one of us and I find it offensive that anyone would even suggest such nonsense.
TK opened his big fucking mouth as usual about something he does not understand and he has no proof of anything either way as usual. This ain't preschool, we a are not some gang... we were supposed to be responsible adults looking for a better way to help people. What is wrong with you fucking people? and why is it whenever they show up any real creativity seems to evaporate into thin air?. Every thread is the same and it's like being smothered with a stale old wet blanket of hopelessness.
You want to send a fucking message?... how about if you don't having anything good or constructive to say, if you cannot empower others to succeed and move forward towards our goal then keep it to yourself. Were looking for a better way to help people, free energy is our goal, get with the program.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on February 21, 2016, 04:56:14 PM
@pirate88179
No it is very much unimportant.
To my knowledge not TK nor MH have ever so much as theorized how me might succeed only why we cannot and are doomed to failure. They have never offered hope only belittled and condemned those who even try. They are not one of us and I find it offensive that anyone would even suggest such nonsense.
TK opened his big fucking mouth as usual about something he does not understand and he has no proof of anything either way as usual. This ain't preschool, we a are not some gang... we were supposed to be responsible adults looking for a better way to help people. What is wrong with you fucking people? and why is it whenever they show up any real creativity seems to evaporate into thin air?. Every thread is the same and it's like being smothered with a stale old wet blanket of hopelessness.
You want to send a fucking message?... how about if you don't having anything good or constructive to say, if you cannot empower others to succeed and move forward towards our goal then keep it to yourself. Were looking for a better way to help people, free energy is our goal, get with the program.
AC
AC:
Why don't you just shove all of your B.S. where the sun don't shine...OK? I am very glad that not all Canadians are like you Sir.
Geeze.
Bill
PS In other words, go complain to someone that might actually have a chance of giving a crap, and might actually listen to your whining.
@Pirate
One question...why are you here?, why?.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on February 21, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
@Pirate
One question...why are you here?, why?.
AC
Geeze, I don't know. Why not watch my 70+ videos and find out how to make free light for your home like I have been doing? Funny thing...I learned a lot about how to do that by learning from guys like TK, .99, MarkE, and MH.
Funny about that huh? So, I try to pass the word so others can do the same and, learn even more so I can help even more folks.
Why are YOU here?
Bill
@pirate
QuoteGeeze, I don't know. Why not watch my 70+ videos and find out how to make free light for your home like I have been doing? Funny thing...I learned a lot about how to do that by learning from guys like TK, .99, MarkE, and MH.
That's great but I have lots of lights powered by solar panels...free energy. Anyone can do it, it's all over the net and after a few years the system will have paid for itself... Free Energy. However we want something better which works 24/7, something we can build ourselves so we are not so dependent on others. I see so many great threads, so many creative people with interesting ideas. Then some asshole feels compelled to jump in telling everyone their stupid and what their talking about is impossible and their stupid for even talking about it and it all ends. I have a problem with this.
The gang may teach you the basics you can actually find in any textbook Bill but that's not what were talking about here. This isn't electricity 101, it is not basic electronics.com ... It is Free Energy. Were talking about Free Energy hence all the titles and terms all over this site...Free Energy. In this respect the gang doesn't have a clue about anything because they believe it is impossible and try to convince everyone else it's stupid to even try.
My goal is simple, to build a cheap self contained Free Energy power source for everyone that they can build themselves. If we can do this then we win however it's kind of hard when certain people keep shutting down conversations and debate before they have even started. People who do not add to creative thoughts and new idea's but obliterate them wholesale.
So if you want to learn basic electrical theory and build lights that's awesome but we have big problems Bill which require big solutions, a revolution.
AC
Chet:
The guy that acts like a police officer and tells someone what to do is told by another police officer to not act like a police officer and then he responds like a police officer telling the other police officer not to act like a police officer which means he is still acting like a police officer.
Kind of a conundrum, don't you think? Be careful, you might get caught in an infinite loop.
MileHigh
AC:
Someone like myself only goes on two or three threads and doesn't touch a whole lot of threads where people are doing their thing. It's called a pluralistic virtual nano-community with a virtual First Amendment. Whine all you want it's your right.
There is the search for free energy for the betterment of your fellow man and the desire to prevent criminality for the benefit of your fellow man. There is an overlap in the Venn diagram for the two sets, it's just a fact of life.
MileHigh
Quote from: PIH123 on February 20, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
TK,
As you know, I have been going against Naima Feagin and Dijon Roos for a few months now.
Anyhoo,
I was unsuccessful at persuading the Canadian lady to cease funding them (to the tune of $120,000),
but was 100% successful at stopping them from using crowdfunding websites.
They are MOSTLY uanaware of my involvement (possibly since I am an IT guy).
I have various (lots of) evidences saved on my hard drive,
including the infamous interview with Sterling.
If there is anything you need, please reach out.
I am willing to be used as any sort of reference you may need against this.
Pete
QuoteI have stopped reporting this here because of kickback I got from Ramset and Tinman.
Despite trying to show FTW in a negative light with REAL reports from replicators, it was me
that got the run around and threats.
Grab some ball's Pete,and tell the truth.
I had a go at you because you said you would get threads shut down--not because you were going after these scammers. You also associated Luc with these scammers,when all he did was to try and replicate the device,and post his findings. Do not come here and say i made threats toward you in support of these scammer's,as that is a straight out lie--and that can be seen on the thread in question.
Brad
Quote from: allcanadian on February 21, 2016, 04:56:14 PM
@pirate88179
No it is very much unimportant.
To my knowledge not TK nor MH have ever so much as theorized how me might succeed only why we cannot and are doomed to failure. They have never offered hope only belittled and condemned those who even try. They are not one of us and I find it offensive that anyone would even suggest such nonsense.
TK opened his big fucking mouth as usual about something he does not understand and he has no proof of anything either way as usual. This ain't preschool, we a are not some gang... we were supposed to be responsible adults looking for a better way to help people. What is wrong with you fucking people? and why is it whenever they show up any real creativity seems to evaporate into thin air?. Every thread is the same and it's like being smothered with a stale old wet blanket of hopelessness.
You want to send a fucking message?... how about if you don't having anything good or constructive to say, if you cannot empower others to succeed and move forward towards our goal then keep it to yourself. Were looking for a better way to help people, free energy is our goal, get with the program.
AC
On the contrary,
TK consistently demonstrates the physical reality of our universe, as observable through his discussion and experimentation.
Furthermore, when applicable, TK goes the extra mile to discuss his theories on "how it COULD work!"
.... were we not confronted with the obstacles that prevent it from working.... which he ALSO shows us.
The failure here is not TK's,. but those who demonstrate TO TK - a non-working device.
Would your device have worked to begin with, then rest assured, TK's replication and demonstration would reflect that.
If you want to depart yourself from the "hopelessness" of this situation, then take the time and do your homework, research that which has been attempted before you got here.
Many of the reactions you receive are resultant from the same tired old ideas being re-introduced by the next quasi-creative mind that surfaces on the face of the internet.
We have already determined that this will not work, etc.,
let's try something new.
"creativity" is in the eye of the beholder.
To many of us, these concepts and ideas are already played out, we took these things as far as they would go, and they simply didn't pan out. we discussed the reasons why and why not, what would be necessary and the fact that we don't have these conditions available to us.
So, when there is opposition to a particular idea, do not assume that it is unfounded.
It may very well have been thought out, trampled on, torn apart, and rebuilt with everything accounted for.
far, far in your past, before you even had the thought.
Do not let this be a discouragement to you, but rather that you find it to be a learning experience.
As did most of the rest of it, when it was "originally" introduced.
Copyright attorney on #WTFU - Where's the Fair Use?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7-TJ2utqE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7-TJ2utqE0)
A lot of good info here and also, a court ruling in favor of fair use and punishing frivolous take down filings.
Bill
@smoky2
QuoteTo many of us, these concepts and ideas are already played out, we took these things as far as they would go, and they simply didn't pan out. we discussed the reasons why and why not, what would be necessary and the fact that we don't have these conditions available to us.
Good post, and I think you explained it well. The issue I have is many "took these things as far as they would go, and they simply didn't pan out" then concluded that must be the end. The problem here is that we are always defining the limits of our reality based on our failures. I myself have built many things that work in reality that nobody else could make work. Everyone else gave me logical reasons why it could not work and in their mind it could not work... but it did. You cannot base reality of the bandwagon fallacy where more people believing something is true must magically make it true nor vice versa.
To make matters worse many not unlike TK try and fail then conclude something cannot be done simply because they personally failed. They go on rants that other people are somehow stupid for even trying because they personally failed. They say everyone who says it can work must be a scammer simply because they personally failed. Do you see the pattern of behavior here?, their skewed reality is defined solely by their failure and not another persons success. Thus nobody can ever do anything better than them, nobody can ever be smarter than them which is generally a sign of psychological disorders.
You see my greatest asset is that I always assume I am somehow wrong or missed something in every case. I always assume there are other people infinitely smarter than myself who understand more than I possibly could. Thus there is no end only possibilities, a failure to comprehend on my part is not the end it is the beginning of learning something new.
The future is not defined by misguided old men stuck in the past it is defined by those who follow their dreams wherever their dreams may take them. They do not define me nor my dreams I do, which I consider as a sign of being a mature and responsible adult. Children blindly follow while Men follow their own path, find their own way, right or wrong.
AC
AC:
It's the same old pep talk, we have all read it before. It can easily be read and interpreted with respect to the QEG fiasco so that the message is indeed there, but it's essentially the opposite to what you are trying to imply.
QuoteChildren blindly follow while Men follow their own path, find their own way, right or wrong.
Indeed, those poor children setting up temporary communes all around the world. They cheered and banged gongs when ordinary light bulbs were lit up for a dismal display of a grossly inefficient generator. It may as well have been a book burning. Men said it was a bunch of nonsense and scorned the cynical puppet masters that were orchestrating this charade, especially since the "spiritual cousins" of the puppet masters went on a bogus cross-country trek in a recreational vehicle that supposedly "ran on water."
Men are 100% all for innovation and thinking outside of the box. It took about 24 years for cell phones to evolve from portable telephones into portable super-computer communication devices that did thousands and thousands of things. It could just as easily have taken 10 years instead of 24 years but the point is that somebody did it, somebody thought outside of the box and actually delivered something that
actually works.
I will quote myself, "There is the search for free energy for the betterment of your fellow man and the desire to prevent criminality for the benefit of your fellow man. There is an overlap in the Venn diagram for the two sets, it's just a fact of life."
Will there be something in the future that surpasses the smartphone? Absolutely there will, no doubt. Will there ever be a working QEG? Not a chance in hell.
QuoteThe future is not defined by misguided old men stuck in the past it is defined by those who follow their dreams wherever their dreams may take them.
I think that is pretty much true, nobody can disagree with that. But nobody is going to design a better typewriter, ever. All of the factories that manufactured typewriters are now manufacturing something else, the last typewriter factory stopped production years ago.
MileHigh
Hi AC,
I don't disagree with anything you just posted. However there is another side of this you are not considering. There are several of us that have years of experience in electronics and other fields. That does not mean we know everything and most of us don't claim to. And I for one have seen things that did not match the conventional ideas and so called rules of electronic behavior so I keep looking in hopes of finding more unusual things.
Now having said all that there are many on YouTube and elsewhere that are leading people astray all the time with their misinformation. Whether it is intentional or not they are doing it. Gerard Morin in an example. If you have watched any of his YouTube videos it is apparent he either has no idea what he is doing or he is intentionally misleading people.
UfoPolitics is another example. He came on the Energetic Forum making all kinds of claims about his great discovery in how motors work. I tried several times to caution people about his ridiculous claims. I and several others were severely criticized and called very bad names. Now a couple of years later after many people have spent hundreds of dollars on modifying motors he has no followers left. They spent all that time and money following a pipe dream instead of spending the time and money on real research.
When someone spouts off a bunch of babble that makes no sense I feel those of us that have the experience have a moral obligation to at least warn others they may not be following a useful path.
Respectfully,
Carroll
All_canadian, you can say what you like about me with that potty-mouth of yours but you cannot change the FACTS:
The FTW QEG people have collected hundreds of thousands of dollars of crowdfunding and private donations based on a set of outright LIES. They have duped many people into spending thousands of dollars each to purchase parts and equipment to build something that QEG promised, and even "guaranteed", would work as they claimed... which they never will do. They have fled to Morocco, not out of some humanitarian impulse, but because Morocco has no extradition treaty with the USA, and the rest of the "One People's Public Trust" are hiding out there.
"You can even start it with a crank mechanism". That one really makes me laugh. I'd love to see "HopeGirl" cranking away at a QEG trying to get it "running", or even lighting up a couple of light bulbs.
"Hours away from self-running".... how long ago was that claim made for the UK builders? And where are they now? Nobody, nowhere, has a "self running" QEG. Yet the FTW organization still continues to make their false claims, false promises, and rakes in the dollars based on them. Even CANADIAN dollars.
@MH
In the posts in response to mine...I like yours the most. In many ways we may say many things but seldom do we truly converse openly. I would really like to talk with you more so than many others here outside the context of this ridiculous forum. To break it all down, to debate real problems, real solutions and I would hope that is why we are all here. I would have to agree that at the end of the day it must be real...anything less is just wishful thinking. I am not your enemy, I am your friend, even if we generally always agree to disagree. Personally I like disagreement so long as were still talking, I would like to call it learning and I like that.
@TK
Potty mouth,I like that, nice.
I just call it the way I see it...would you expect any less?. Personally I like you to and when we talked last we had much in common, a very similar past. It's just that judgement is a wicked road filled with vicious potholes and in my opinion it is time wasted and time is precious. Your better than this TK and this is not the man I talked with. Fuck them all it's not worth your time, let it go my friend. You have a gift... use it and when you sit at your bench like I am now understand the whole universe is waiting for you to act. They are not us anymore than we are them and when you reduce yourself to that level you become more like them... don't go there my friend, do not go there. If your having problems just PM me.
"Something like a strong wind is coming over me, got a hold of me"
"Thinking and doing things I shouldn't be, really shouldn't be"
Brothers Osborn-- stay a little longer
Play it at the bench, loud.
AC
Quote from: AllCanadian link=topic=16430.msg475127#msg475127 date=1456095140
...I see so many great threads, so many creative people with interesting ideas. Then some asshole feels compelled to jump in telling everyone their [they're] stupid and what their [they're] talking about is impossible and their [they're] stupid for even talking about it and it all ends. I have a problem with this.
Seems to be a rather strong case of emotional
hyperbole here. It that what is
really going on or
is it something much more positive? I can't recollect
any of the "learned ones" speaking in such a manner.
Quote from: AllCanadian
...This isn't electricity 101, it is not basic electronics.com ... It is Free Energy. Were talking about Free Energy hence all the titles and terms all over this site...Free Energy. In this respect the gang doesn't have a clue about anything because they believe it is impossible and try to convince everyone else it's stupid to even try.
A wee bit o' emotional hyperbole once again?
Cautioning others of the foolishness of doing a
"replication" in a big way is prudent. Any sort of
process advanced in these discussions should be
examined with a sense of wisdom and any efforts to
duplicate the process should be done inexpensively
and in a small way. Encouraging others to "look before
they leap" is altruistically administered common sense. :) ;) ???
Quote from: AllCanadian
My goal is simple, to build a cheap self contained Free Energy power source for everyone that they can build themselves. If we can do this then we win however it's kind of hard when certain people keep shutting down conversations and debate before they have even started. People who do not add to creative thoughts and new idea's but obliterate them wholesale.
Shutting down conversations? How is that possible?
Debate and exploration of a concept is viewing it from
all possible angles both pro and con. Naively falling
for every claim or device can be a very costly proposition. :o >:(
The "Learned Ones" are providing a great service to all
would be "Builders." Why would you take emotional offense
at efforts to promote TRUTH? After all, have the Learned Ones
been wrong yet? 8) ;D
Well if it works 'how' i don't see any magnets, do you ?
Quote from: AlienGrey on February 24, 2016, 01:05:34 PM
Whath this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZuyoYqJ2s
[/quotec]
Howling at the moon, a storm is coming, take care.
AC
Everything ??
what hath the Soggy simian done to upset you so ??
I think you should at least do the count to ten Rule first ... or maybe sleep on it ??
just one mans opinion !!
Quote from: allcanadian on February 25, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
Why are you afraid to feel, why are you afraid to be who you are, why are you afraid to dream?. I do not intend to please you, I intend to burn everything you think you know to the fucking ground my friend. I am not you... do you understand that?, I am me and I am nothing like you, I intend to do shit you cannot possibly understand for no other reason than I can... because I can.
Now that's what I call passion. "Somebody stop me!"
John Searl said 'nothing is impossible' we are only limited by our own minds, it's our own minds that ristrict us !
TK I thought I would say this to you being a " good guy", you are road kill as these free energy systems
provide a rich ground to scams to raise money as most people are ignorant of basic electronics..
As stock scams have shown that in the last 100 years..
Stepping on someone(s) else creative video or song content is now a "no no", even for the right of proof,
all you have is the right to your "opinion", and you make your own clips, of the "offending device", and
then it's still a tight rope as you may still fall on to the wrong side and get a lawsuit..
I support your mission as you have one.. Money machine that they have, like the mafia its power and
force for their benefit.. I keep off the road as it is fast and dangerous I don' t want to be there...
I am Polish and the Russians gave a beating long ago that I stay off the road.. However Russian people are
the best.. They always look on the bright side of a tragedy.. Sad as it is.. Americans just don't get it..
P.s.
Milehigh is right saving the World is noble, but it's a risk for your safety and your life, you don't want them
in your life. Being right in this case is wrong, it's money for them...
Acca..
We get stuff taken down all the time in Google. Let me know if you want me to ask the googlers we speak to if there is something else you can do.
Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Person, that "never" posts negative comments about REAL O-U devices.
Hmmmmmmmmm .
Quote from: FatBird on February 27, 2016, 07:34:29 PM
Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Person, that "never" posts negative comments about REAL O-U devices.
Hmmmmmmmmm .
Where is a "Real" O.U. Device? Do you have one?
Bill
Quote from: AlienGrey
John Searl said 'nothing is impossible' we are only limited by our own minds, it's our own minds that restrict us !
There is considerable truth in what John Searl said.
For the one who has the requisite knowledge and
means, nothing is impossible. But without such
power and skill the thought that
'nothing is impossible'may be naught more than a pipe-dream.
It has also been said "where there is a will there is a
way." Some few are able to find the "way" while
the many will never see it. The Mind is a beautiful thing
if managed with care and respect.
@ Pirate88179, Said: Where is a "Real" O.U. Device?
How about this one Pirate??
If you watch this video VERY, VERY CLOSE you will see him measure over 6 Volts WITHOUT the motor connected.
To protect himself, he says at the end of the video it's an April Fools Joke.
Anybody that cannot see that he has an Overunity Device has to be blind, or a Paid TROLL.
Additional Proofs: He mentions the Running Frequency, Why the Diode, Why the 9 V Battery to START it, etc.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs)
.
Quote from: FatBird on February 28, 2016, 08:57:08 AM
How about this one Pirate??
If you watch this video VERY, VERY CLOSE you will see him measure over 6 Volts WITHOUT the motor connected.
To protect himself, he says at the end of the video it's an April Fools Joke.
Anybody that cannot see that he has an Overunity Device has to be blind, or a Paid TROLL.
Additional Proofs: He mentions the Running Frequency, Why the Diode, Why the 9 V Battery to START it, etc.
Anyone can clearly see the back end of the lithium battery where to TO-3 case has been drilled. Even me and I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.
Makerj101. Too funny. Never thought this kid would get into the hoax business.
He does do a pretty good job with some of his other projects though. The kid is pretty sharp. Check out his other videos.
Quote from: FatBird on February 28, 2016, 08:57:08 AM
@ Pirate88179, Said: Where is a "Real" O.U. Device?
How about this one Pirate??
If you watch this video VERY, VERY CLOSE you will see him measure over 6 Volts WITHOUT the motor connected.
To protect himself, he says at the end of the video it's an April Fools Joke.
Anybody that cannot see that he has an Overunity Device has to be blind, or a Paid TROLL.
Additional Proofs: He mentions the Running Frequency, Why the Diode, Why the 9 V Battery to START it, etc.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs)
.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert Einstein
Sea Monkey
I believe we are hardwired toward this in some way "all things are possible"...
NO just doesn't work for some of us ,Impossible falls into the same realm .
Regardless the orientation towards a higher power or complete abstinence from such a thought process.
The words still ring true at some level for most.
But then why wouldn't they ...? ,
We are after all hurdling thru the most hostile environment imaginable with a separation or boundary layer of protection between us and it that defies comprehension...a mere sliver or whisp of a layer
and yet we thrive ??
would seem the most difficult question is how are we possible ??
The biggest impossibility stares back at each and everyone of us in the mirror everyday...its all down hill from there !
just one mans opinion.
WOW, the amount of NAY SAYERS & TROLLS on this site still Absolutely
AMAZES me, even after all these YEARS of being on here.
So, it's really up to you REGULAR Builders & O-U Seekers to LOOK & EVALUATE what's real,
& what isn't. If we believe the Paid Trolls & Nay Sayers, we will NEVER have anything that works.
Some folks have no qualms or conscience about lying & cheating others. I guess that's just how life works nowadays!!!
.
Quote from: FatBird on February 28, 2016, 09:58:41 AM
WOW, the amount of NAY SAYERS & TROLLS on this site
still AMAZES me, even after all these YEARS of being on here.
So, it's up to you REGULAR Builders & O-U Seekers to LOOK & EVALUATE what's real,
& what isn't. If we believe the Trolls & Nay Sayers, we will NEVER have anything that works.
I guess that's just how life works nowadays!!!
,
The problem is that people can't take what you post seriously because it's very often a very poorly executed fake, so bad that they are laughable. Even a kid that intentionally makes a FAKE clip has you convinced that it is real.
Yeah... the TO-3 proves it's a fake, because isn't even needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saa39OCuBy0
Quote from: FatBird on February 28, 2016, 08:57:08 AM
@ Pirate88179, Said: Where is a "Real" O.U. Device?
How about this one Pirate??
If you watch this video VERY, VERY CLOSE you will see him measure over 6 Volts WITHOUT the motor connected.
To protect himself, he says at the end of the video it's an April Fools Joke.
Anybody that cannot see that he has an Overunity Device has to be blind, or a Paid TROLL.
Additional Proofs: He mentions the Running Frequency, Why the Diode, Why the 9 V Battery to START it, etc.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgaFoj1nQs)
.
You are kidding right?
Bill
OK, I see, you were just kidding. Had me going there for a minute, ha ha.
Bill
Record players and their shaded-pole motors are actually... you know what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184
Quote from: MileHigh on February 28, 2016, 03:57:13 PM
Record players and their shaded-pole motors are actually... you know what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184)
Just gotta love the Trashmen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4)
Bill
PS I am just not very clear on what the word is?