Good luck with this one
http://revolution-green.com/free-energy-magnetic-motor-generator-1-10-kw/
Kind regards
Mark
For some odd reason the circuit boards need to be in the box for it to work apparently. ???
Being the box may be for protecting the circuitry from moisture, the hole the wires go through defeats the purpose of a seal on the lid. So the box mosst likely is not for that.
Or the box is to protect the surroundings from the circuit, in case of failure, etc. But the lid plays no part in the vid.
So the box is of concern to me, without any more details. We have to think of if its real, so far no real proof. If its fake, then maybe its this or that.
Lithium batteries can be very thin. I remember taking apart polaroid film cartridges that powered the camera. Dont know if they were lith but they were thin and had some juice.
When he first started the motor he touched something on the circuit board with the small pen or screw driver in his hand. Have to look over it again.
1kwh possible output, the demo should have been more robust on the output, but that doesnt prove it is fake.
Would be great if it is real. ;)
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on April 10, 2016, 10:08:21 PM
For some odd reason the circuit boards need to be in the box for it to work apparently. ???
Being the box may be for protecting the circuitry from moisture, the hole the wires go through defeats the purpose of a seal on the lid. So the box mosst likely is not for that.
Or the box is to protect the surroundings from the circuit, in case of failure, etc. But the lid plays no part in the vid.
So the box is of concern to me, without any more details. We have to think of if its real, so far no real proof. If its fake, then maybe its this or that.
Lithium batteries can be very thin. I remember taking apart polaroid film cartridges that powered the camera. Dont know if they were lith but they were thin and had some juice.
When he first started the motor he touched something on the circuit board with the small pen or screw driver in his hand. Have to look over it again.
1kwh possible output, the demo should have been more robust on the output, but that doesnt prove it is fake.
Would be great if it is real. ;)
Mags
What about the box holding the lights???????Lots of room there from batteries lol. We all wish they were real
Quote from: markdansie on April 10, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
What about the box holding the lights? ??? ???Lots of room there from batteries lol. We all wish they were real
lol, yeah. I think that there is a mindset to show as much as possible so there is no questioning. But that mindset seems would be opposite for a real or fake device.
Like if its a real machine, naturally not too much should be shown as to protect the idea. But a faker seems to have the need to show as much as possible in order to get a positive fan base. Both are based on greed of one form or another.
Ive thought about what I might want to do if I came up with an idea that worked. But after lots of thoughts on that, I find the 'best' way to go would be open source. Otherwise the idea would be dead in no time flat and what I might get from it is big problems and nobody else gets to benefit, as in the human race.
So just like I feed a few homeless neighborhood cats and ask them for nothing in return(except dont disappear for days and make me worry ;D ), I would need to open source a good idea. And hope it gets out far enough to be a success in peoples knowledge of it.
But thats just me.
Mags
The wiring is too consistent, this is crazy.
Will wait for more info, right now we dont know enough to make this a pleasant adventure.
You gotta admit, the guy went through alot of trouble.
I am tyring to comprehend the mind of an idiot who would wire all those panels all for a fraud, many times.
Its a gamble that would pay ?
Quote from: markdansie on April 10, 2016, 09:32:25 PM
Good luck with this one
http://revolution-green.com/free-energy-magnetic-motor-generator-1-10-kw/ (http://revolution-green.com/free-energy-magnetic-motor-generator-1-10-kw/)
Kind regards
Mark
The presentation in the video is completely useless from a scientific and business point of view.
1) If one wants to prove the functioning of this magnet motor in a scientific way, one would have to explain the principle which is exploited. And this is not even addressed in the video (besides claiming that it is permanent magnet motor). One would publish the principle in a way, that the scientific community can do the underlying measurements in an independent way. The goal would be to become famous for having discovered a new principle in nature. Money would come from publications and future employment in a research facility. Most likely the discoverer of the new principle will be eventually forgotten because more able people will take the discovery out of his hands.
2) If one wants to become rich with this motor, one should not show anything in public. One would try to convince an established motor manufacturer that the device is real, and this in complete secrecy. It will be hard to patent such a motor because one would have discovered a new principle in nature, which was not known before. One can patent specific embodiments exploiting a principle, but not the principle itself. A not yet known principle in nature is discovered (it was always there) but not invented. Eventually the new principle will be exploited by every one, it can not be contained, it would be too important.
So, the video is complete nonsense, it serves no useful purpose besides possible fraud.
Greetings, Conrad
How open are they to independent "black box" verification of this device by an outside party?
"black box" verification does not inspect what's in the box but what goes in and out of the box. It produces a result known as energy density in J/kg or J/m3
Quote from: verpies on April 11, 2016, 07:52:04 AM
How open are they to independent "black box" verification of this device by an outside party?
"black box" verification does not inspect what's in the box but what goes in and out of the box. It produces a result known as energy density in J/kg or J/m3
Who in his right mind would want to do a "black box" verification? That can never be a "verification". Verification is the opposite of "black box".
The way to do it: the investor or prospective manufacturer signs a non disclosure agreement and the black boxes are opened completely. The strip tease has to happen all the way and penetration including ejaculation has to happen. The investor or manufacturer has to be allowed to involve a reasonable number of experts in the strip tease and the union.
So, if an inventor proposes a "black box verification" walk away immediately.
Muammer Yildiz (Permanent Magnet Motor) always did a "black box demonstration" and no good came off it.
There is of course a fundamental problem in telling some one (even with an non disclosure agreement) a newly discovered principle in nature. One can use a newly discovered principle in millions of ways and no one can patent every machine or component using the new principle. One can try to patent a number of machines and hope to establish a good position in the market before every one else catches on.
All important newly discovered principles (e.g. steam engine, petrol motor, Diesel motor, electric motor, transistor, nuclear fission, nuclear fusion) could never be safeguarded. After a short time everybody used it. Details of machines or components were patented, but nobody could dominate the market.
And if it is a world changing discovery, every military and every country has the duty to make it available to itself in the shortest possible time.
So, if you discover the principle behind a self turning permanent magnet motor, give it away immediately. This will save your life.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: markdansie on April 10, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
What about the box holding the lights? ??? ???Lots of room there from batteries lol. We all wish they were real
At the end of the movie: Nothing below the lamps.
His other channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_qGHzYorAsR4sYi3m50sA/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_qGHzYorAsR4sYi3m50sA/videos)
It is impressive how much work and expense has been put into building the larger 10kw units. Why would he do that if it doesn't work? Not impressive is the demo small unit powering 4 LED bulbs. Those ARE LED bulbs that may consume as little as 6 to 8 watts each so probably only around 30 watts being consumed and that could be done with a Lithium battery in the bottom of the control box. I don't think doing the video like he did is any reason to suspect a fake in itself. Everyone likes attention for their work. Also it seems this is not some garage builder but someone who has a sizable shop to produce a quality device. Does anyone know where this person is located - appears to be foreign.
I see they say they are a group of engineers in South Korea ... and are looking for investors. Not saying that is good or bad. South Korea has some pretty smart engineers - after all they have made the Samsung smart phones which has the largest share of the world smart phone market as of 2015: Samsung: 320.2197 million (22.5% market share), Apple: 225.8506 million (15.9% market share)
Quote from: conradelektro on April 11, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
Who in his right mind would want to do a "black box" verification?
Any investor who does not want to lose his money and any inventor who is afraid to have his secret stolen.
Such verification yields the undisputable J/kg measurement, that cannot be faked.
Quote from: conradelektro on April 11, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
That can never be a "verification". Verification is the opposite of "black box".
Such "Black Box" test verifies that the inventor indeed has something extraordinary in terms of J/kg.
Yildiz never allowed for the measurement of his motor's energy density, or no investor/inspector was smart enough to do this measurement.
Quote from: conradelektro on April 11, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
The way to do it: the investor or prospective manufacturer signs a non disclosure agreement and the black boxes are opened completely. The strip tease has to happen all the way and penetration including ejaculation has to happen. The investor or manufacturer has to be allowed to involve a reasonable number of experts in the strip tease and the union.
That's a description of Whitebox inspection (or open box) and it should come after the investor/inspector is convinced that the inventor indeed has something extraordinary, e.g. by prior Blackbox inspection yielding a high J/kg value that eliminates known batteries or other known energy sources.
Whitebox inspection is likely to involve a security deposit and stringent NDA and contracts, since it presents a serious risk to the inventor.
Quote from: conradelektro on April 11, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
So, if an inventor proposes a "black box verification" walk away immediately.
Just the opposite! An offer to do Blackbox inspection is a sign of investor's honesty and does not put the inventor at risk of having his invention plagiarized. It also protects the investor from Advanced Fee Fraud also known as "Pay before you look".
There is also a 3
rd possibility: e.g. Tariel Kapanadze who routinely allows for a "Graybox" inspection, which is almost a Blackbox inspection masquerading as a Whitebox inspection.
I thinks he demands money for it, too. Does anyone know how much?
Where is the patent? I assume there is one that might give more hints as to how this system operates, or at least is supposed to operate?
I know a patent doesn't mean something works but I'd like to see one for this device if it exists.
Quote from: markdansie on April 10, 2016, 09:32:25 PM
Good luck with this one
http://revolution-green.com/free-energy-magnetic-motor-generator-1-10-kw/ (http://revolution-green.com/free-energy-magnetic-motor-generator-1-10-kw/)
Kind regards
Mark
At 5:07 in the video he hits a switch in the box with his right hand while he reaches to spin the motor shaft with his left. You can hear the click easily and, since it is energizing something in the circuit, in my speakers I can even detect an electronic "click" from the camera circuitry at the same moment. Like turning on a light switch in a room when you have a radio on...you hear the click on the radio.
I have not watched any more, that was all I need to see. He even tries to "sneak" while doing this and quickly pulls his hand back and away from the box.
Total Bogus.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2016, 12:51:01 AM
At 5:07 in the video he hits a switch in the box with his right hand while he reaches to spin the motor shaft with his left. You can hear the click easily and, since it is energizing something in the circuit, in my speakers I can even detect an electronic "click" from the camera circuitry at the same moment. Like turning on a light switch in a room when you have a radio on...you hear the click on the radio.
I have not watched any more, that was all I need to see. He even tries to "sneak" while doing this and quickly pulls his hand back and away from the box.
Total Bogus.
Bill
Thanks Bill you have great powers of observation
I noticed the little screwdriver in his hand and switching something on the boards in the box, but it didn't look so much like he was trying to hide it.
He also has several other videos which seem to lead up to this device.
Quote from: lumen on April 12, 2016, 09:39:20 AM
I noticed the little screwdriver in his hand and switching something on the boards in the box, but it didn't look so much like he was trying to hide it.
He also has several other videos which seem to lead up to this device.
Well, consider this...why would that box make an electronic pop on the camera when the "generator" has not ever begun to turn to provide power to that box? There should be no energy at all in that box...UNLESS, there is a power source hidden in that box which should not be needed if the device actually generated surplus energy....right?
To me, he was attempting to hide his pushing that switch on in that box...he reaches for it...pulls his hand back a bit until he thinks the camera is following his other hand and then pushes the switch and quickly withdraws his hand.
Looks very fake to me.
Bill
They get worse by the minute. :D
I have not yet seen(bar one) a free energy device i could not replicate.
The TPU is the only one that has me a bit stumped :o
Brad.
There is a definite click at about 5:06 when he turns it on the second time to run the lights but he is not trying to hide it.
Maybe its a capacitor on the board that was still charged from the first run.
Ok, so there is some fake looking stuff.
There are some things that appear valid also.
All the previous similar designs that lead into this device.
All the large devices build on the same design after the smaller device. (why would you do that if the small device it did not operate?)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 12, 2016, 10:50:19 AM
Well, consider this...why would that box make an electronic pop on the camera when the "generator" has not ever begun to turn to provide power to that box? There should be no energy at all in that box...UNLESS, there is a power source hidden in that box which should not be needed if the device actually generated surplus energy....right?
This can always be explained be the need to have an exciter winding in the motor, etc...
However a Blackbox test would quickly root out a conventional hidden energy source in that box, without threatening the investor's secrets....and giving him a plausible excuse to refuse such test.
Of course, every Blackbox test should involve a hula-hoop and an EM search coil ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNmtFMuhDAY
Looks a lot like patent WO2000046908A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=0046908A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20000810&DB=&locale=en_EP)
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