How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.
I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo
Brad
Hi Brad,
I guess they use an open core transformer under the table fed from the mains and the fields from the open core can close via the motor cores and induce current in the motor coils. (An open core can be say a C core or an E core where the top I core is removed.)
Here is another similar video where the buzz from the open core transformer can be heard, see and hark at video time 1:00 when the guy 'switches' to full rpm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0)
Addition: when the guy lifts up the motors in your video link, they are already rotating at a high enough speed so that the smaller fields from the open transformer beneath it is able to maintain rotation.
Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on April 15, 2016, 08:50:08 AM
Hi Brad,
I guess they use an open core transformer under the table fed from the mains and the fields from the open core can close via the motor cores and induce current in the motor coils. (An open core can be say a C core or an E core where the top I core is removed.)
Here is another similar video where the buzz from the open core transformer can be heard, see and hark at video time 1:00 when the guy 'switches' to full rpm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0)
Addition: when the guy lifts up the motors in your video link, they are already rotating at a high enough speed so that the smaller fields from the open transformer beneath it is able to maintain rotation.
Gyula
I could relate to that,only that large incandescent bulb still stays brightly lit,even when the two coils of the motors would be at right angles to any transformer beneath the table. It would also have to be one hell of a transformer under the table to transmit that much Em energy.
Brad
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.
What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvAvp_dmlU) or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMmIslMhrg)
The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.
Regards
Quote from: Zeitmaschine on April 15, 2016, 09:50:19 AM
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.
What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvAvp_dmlU) or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMmIslMhrg)
The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.
Regards
I dont trust anyone that claims to have a free energy device until i(or other 3rd parties) have tested it myself/them self.
Those kookie Russian devices are easily debunked. What im looking for,and hoping other will post,is the !harder! ones to explain--like this one,and the TPU in some cases.
This one is interesting because i do not think an open transformer or RF transmitter could transmit enough EM energy to light that large incandescent bulb-nor do i think that there is room enough in that setup to house a battery that could do the job either.
Brad
Quote from: Zeitmaschine on April 15, 2016, 09:50:19 AM
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.
What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvAvp_dmlU) or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMmIslMhrg)
The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.
Regards
There is nothing in here. This is a high frequency jumping from the device to light up the lamp. you can do it with a commercial 10 watt Violet Ray device available for $40 (a Tesla coil of 10 watts) to light up another 5 watt CFL lamp placed near it. If the intensity of the coil is high like 600 watts Multiple wave oscillator then a large number of lamps placed between the two aerials over and above the 600 watts will glow. This is nothing but due to Frequency effect. I have checked if the lamp will provide a measurable voltage at its end and there is no voltage in such lamps as can be measured as DC or AC. The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.
Quote from: tinman on April 15, 2016, 07:41:05 AM
How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.
I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo)
Brad
Maybe two lithium battery's as the core under the fake coil's and a simple dc motor to drive the rotors.
The bulb is low voltage, 12v because the kid touches it.
Quote from: scratchrobot on April 15, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Maybe two lithium battery's as the core under the fake coil's and a simple dc motor to drive the rotors.
The bulb is low voltage, 12v because the kid touches it.
I did think about a DC motor being the drive motor,but there are two problems with that.
1st-if you watch the video in full screen,you can see that the two large rotors of a shaded pole motor are still inside the cores,and are both rotating when the pulley's are spinning .
2nd-why dose the system not start spinning when he connects the two wires to the second coil to complete the circuit--why dose it only start spinning when he gives it an initial spin start?.
Do you think that you could replicate and achieve the results show scratchrobot ?.
Brad
This one has me puzzled also. I have been studying and building simple AC motors lately and you need quite a bit of power to do what is shown in this video. A couple of hidden button cells or a transformer loop under the table isn't going to do it. The incandescent light bulb still on bright while he twirls the motors in the air doesn't make sense if there is a simple induction linkup somehow. The high voltage capacitive linkup doesn't work for me either. That is not going to give enough power unless you have a huge mega watt Tesla coil nearby. The only thing that makes sense to me is a mains AC power feed wire hidden somehow. That explanation doesn't account for the way the device has to be hand started and speeds up. It is a puzzle.
One of you guys should be able to figure this one out and build a replication. I will be right behind you if you do. I hate fakers. They waste a lot of time and steal people's money. If is done as an "illusion" I'm OK with that. Then it becomes a fun trick that sometimes leads to more real research into that area.
---Lidmotor
Quote from: tinman on April 15, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
I did think about a DC motor being the drive motor,but there are two problems with that.
1st-if you watch the video in full screen,you can see that the two large rotors of a shaded pole motor are still inside the cores,and are both rotating when the pulley's are spinning .
2nd-why dose the system not start spinning when he connects the two wires to the second coil to complete the circuit--why dose it only start spinning when he gives it an initial spin start?.
Do you think that you could replicate and achieve the results show scratchrobot ?.
Brad
Maybe a very small dc motor inside or besides the rotor? The dc motor is to small to self start?
Or he puts some magnets in the rotor and made a pulse motor, you have to give it a spin.
Yes i think i could replicate it if i wanted, but an Akula device would be more easy to replicate ;D
How about a simple pulse motor like the Bedini SSG and the magic bulb like the video just posted? It wouldn't take much of a battery to turn one of those rotors as a pulse motor. And if it had a magnet for a rotor and used another coil as the trigger coil it would have to be spun up to get it started. The one coil is wrapped so it could be a bifiler coil for the trigger and run winding. The battery and transistor could be inside the other coil. Or the other way with the battery and transistor in the wrapped coil.
Sorry about the comment about a wrapped coil. I just realized that was a different video. But some clever machine work could put the parts into the inside of either coil.
Carroll
You guys are coming up with some good ideas. There might be several ways the 'illusion' is being done. I am still going with AC mains power somehow getting into the thing. Here is a something I tried today that uses the AC synchronous motor method. I don't think that this is exactly how it is done but it is one way someone could fake a free energy device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-qgjY0O_yQ
I'm am sure that some of the great builders on this forum could replicate that self-running duel shaded pole motor setup --if they wanted to. ;D
--Lidmotor
Hi Folks,
There is another video from the same guy I gave a link in my above post earlier and in this other video he shows a rotor which was equipped with a ferrite ring magnet, The magnetization direction is not mentioned for the ring magnet.
Now if an open core mains transformer or just an AC driven multiturn coil (as Lidmotor showed above) is placed under the table, perhaps the rotor magnet could be influenced for rotation. Here is the video showing the rotor with a ring magnet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc (it would be enough to have a ring magnet in one of the motors only)
There is another possible explanation what the maker of this video says near the end of his video (at 9:16 and onwards), he thinks the guy uses very thin enameled wires leading to the motor connections and those wires cannot be seen in the faked video due to the not so high video resolution and the background chosen for the setup under the motors. And he says the fine wires may be driven from a (light) dimmer which is handled by a second person by turning the knob as the speed up illusion needs it. See the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY
This latter thin-wire-driving the motors could explain the working of the 25 - 40 W incandescent lamps connected occasionally in parallel with the motor coils (unless the lamps are faked ones too as Webby referred to it).
Gyula
Quote from: tinman on April 15, 2016, 07:41:05 AM
How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.
I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo)
Brad
This device was debunked about a year ago by a guy I subscribe to on youtube.. Another guy made the same thing using the same motors and, Electronicsnmore on youtube replicated it and, of course it did not work. I will try to find his video and see if he figured out how the guy was faking it. It was a while ago so it might take me some time.
I think the light bulbs are self-powered and would light up if those leads were just clipped together. This reminds me of the computer fan motor "free energy" devices made using batteries and reed switches. Many folks made these and claimed they were real.
What the heck is wrong with people?
Bill
***EDIT***
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY)
In it, he talks about 3 other guys that made the same thing.
Found this device interesting a few months back. Started finding more and more replications of it. Looked like it might be possible as I was also starting to look at the Daniel McFarland Cook coil patent as well. Looked like there might be some similarities there.
Then I came across one replication video with that distinctive indian guys voice that does a lot of fake OU videos and quickly lost interest.
Looks like plenty of places to hide a battery in the coils or bulb. Perhaps an off camera coil putting out energy. With the number of replications I have seen, I don't think there is a wire that was taken out digitally.
Quote from: NRamaswami on April 15, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.
Then what supplies the
induction motor (https://youtu.be/8GMmIslMhrg?t=6m20s) with 50Hz grid frequency? Let me know. So far my best guess is that the (thin) hot wires connected to mains were removed by software.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
This device was debunked about a year ago by a guy I subscribe to on youtube.. Another guy made the same thing using the same motors and, Electronicsnmore on youtube replicated it and, of course it did not work. I will try to find his video and see if he figured out how the guy was faking it. It was a while ago so it might take me some time.
I think the light bulbs are self-powered and would light up if those leads were just clipped together. This reminds me of the computer fan motor "free energy" devices made using batteries and reed switches. Many folks made these and claimed they were real.
What the heck is wrong with people?
Bill
***EDIT***
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY)
In it, he talks about 3 other guys that made the same thing.
Hi Bill
That video didnt show how it was done,so we are still yet to work it out.
In the video i posted,that was quite a large incandescent bulb,with a large filament . Do you relly think he could have had a battery that could provide the needed power to drive that bulb like it did ,inside the bulb it self?.
I-we know it's a hoax,as shaded pole motors do not work as generators. You may get some very small signal across the coil when you spin them,but that is just residual magnetism in the steel laminated sections of the rotor--but even that is doubtful ,due to the fact that those laminated steel rotor core sections operate in an AC environment.
Brad
Quote from: NRamaswami on April 15, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
There is nothing in here. This is a high frequency jumping from the device to light up the lamp. you can do it with a commercial 10 watt Violet Ray device available for $40 (a Tesla coil of 10 watts) to light up another 5 watt CFL lamp placed near it. If the intensity of the coil is high like 600 watts Multiple wave oscillator then a large number of lamps placed between the two aerials over and above the 600 watts will glow. This is nothing but due to Frequency effect. I have checked if the lamp will provide a measurable voltage at its end and there is no voltage in such lamps as can be measured as DC or AC. The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.
The bulb in the video i posted is not a CFL,it is an incandescent bulb
Brad
Quote from: tinman on April 16, 2016, 05:24:47 AM
Hi Bill
That video didnt show how it was done,so we are still yet to work it out.
In the video i posted,that was quite a large incandescent bulb,with a large filament . Do you relly think he could have had a battery that could provide the needed power to drive that bulb like it did ,inside the bulb it self?.
I-we know it's a hoax,as shaded pole motors do not work as generators. You may get some very small signal across the coil when you spin them,but that is just residual magnetism in the steel laminated sections of the rotor--but even that is doubtful ,due to the fact that those laminated steel rotor core sections operate in an AC environment.
Brad
Brad:
Yes, sorry...it had been a while since I had watched his video and you are correct...he just debunked it but did not show how it could have been done. I do not think it is a battery now but...I am suspicious of that paper on his table. I wonder why that is there?
Bill
Quote from: tinman on April 16, 2016, 05:29:39 AM
The bulb in the video i posted is not a CFL,it is an incandescent bulb
Brad
That is one thing that has me puzzled also. That is a pretty big incandescent and it is on bright. Somehow these guys are getting AC into that contraption. Using a feed wire and then photo shopping it out later is a possibility but I don't think so ---and thin wires couldn't carry that kind of current. An inductive linkup is a possibility but when the guys pick up the motors and move them around I don't think they would keep running like they do. My idea of a synchronous motor type linkup is possible but that wouldn't account for a light bulb (like that) on bright. It is a puzzle for sure but a few people have figured it out. I have seen several replication videos on YouTube. Perhaps it is being done in different ways? It is a puzzle. Brad you are very right that a shaded pole motor will not work as a generator---AC or DC. One guy claims that the rotor has to be modified with a ring magnet then you would get the right effects. The thing would still never self run.
Lidmotor
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 16, 2016, 01:59:06 PM
That is one thing that has me puzzled also. That is a pretty big incandescent and it is on bright. Somehow these guys are getting AC into that contraption. Using a feed wire and then photo shopping it out later is a possibility but I don't think so ---and thin wires couldn't carry that kind of current. An inductive linkup is a possibility but when the guys pick up the motors and move them around I don't think they would keep running like they do. My idea of a synchronous motor type linkup is possible but that wouldn't account for a light bulb (like that) on bright. It is a puzzle for sure but a few people have figured it out. I have seen several replication videos on YouTube. Perhaps it is being done in different ways? It is a puzzle. Brad you are very right that a shaded pole motor will not work as a generator---AC or DC. One guy claims that the rotor has to be modified with a ring magnet then you would get the right effects. The thing would still never self run.
Lidmotor
It was a good one to start the thread off on.
I would like to see those video's of the few guys that have worked it out--if you have the links?.
The bulb is the big puzzle,as i found out tonight,i can get a 240 volt shaded pole motor to run slowly on 12 volts AC--so that part is doable,but the large incandescent bulb is not--still trying to work that one out ???
Brad
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 16, 2016, 01:51:27 PM
Brad:
Yes, sorry...it had been a while since I had watched his video and you are correct...he just debunked it but did not show how it could have been done. I do not think it is a battery now but...I am suspicious of that paper on his table. I wonder why that is there?
Bill
Wireless energy transfer crossed my mind,but not with that large incandescent bulb being lit up like that--that would require so large amount of EM radiation,and i dont see the kids smoking lol.
Brad
Quote from: tinman on April 16, 2016, 02:20:27 PM
Wireless energy transfer crossed my mind,but not with that large incandescent bulb being lit up like that--that would require so large amount of EM radiation,and i dont see the kids smoking lol.
Brad
Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used. You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable. This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0
Here is one where a phony light bulb is used. This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
Lidmotor
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 16, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used. You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable. This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0
Here is one where a phony light bulb is used. This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
Lidmotor
Lidmor, HI prop type lite bulb or not, the motors are still running, what i want to know is, see other modification vid, does this mod work or not, I myself have no way to do this surgery to rotor and add magnets ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc&ebc=ANyPxKpYeZNEkaLuHZk102vg-5gvsJ2zT0l180LWJwDJ9u1RwrbtAeiMJvRX6h-0m-nR2dZcaaQu8XDCnaUSSpkFNaTwaS4xjw
AG
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 16, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used. You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable. This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0
Here is one where a phony light bulb is used. This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
Lidmotor
As he never lifts the motors from the desktop ,it would be easy to run small wires through the desktop,and straight to the motors. This one i could do easy,if i did not have to lift the motors from the benchtop. But in the one i posted,the guy is throwing the motors all over the place--and no sign of wires ???.
I really want to debunk the one in the video i posted. I now have the two needed motor's,so now just trying to work out how to do it lol.
Brad
Quote from: tinman on April 17, 2016, 07:41:13 AM
As he never lifts the motors from the desktop ,it would be easy to run small wires through the desktop,and straight to the motors. This one i could do easy,if i did not have to lift the motors from the benchtop. But in the one i posted,the guy is throwing the motors all over the place--and no sign of wires ???.
I really want to debunk the one in the video i posted. I now have the two needed motor's,so now just trying to work out how to do it lol.
Brad
I agree that it the Chinese one that needs to be replicated. That is the hard one. I shopped around yesterday for cheap microwave oven fan motors but I really don't want to spend much money on a project that is a fake. I think hidden feed wires is the obvious answer as to how that one is done. A lot of power has to be a delivered to it somehow. Hidden button cells are not going to do it.
Lidmotor
Quote from: webby1 on April 17, 2016, 02:45:03 PM
When the light is connected to the unit,, with several strikes prior to a solid connection,, what would you expect to see from the second lead wire when it touches the contact??
If that was a "normal" light I would expect some kind of an arc,, as well as when you look at the light itself,, the filament,, it does not look to me like what I see when I screw in a light bulb that is a "normal" light bulb.
Well there are a few things we can all agree on about that particular light bulb.
(A) It is not an Fl or high voltage type
(B) It is not an LED type
(C) It is a filament type
He could have hidden a battery inside the bulb like what was suggested earlier and that would solve one part of the puzzle--- but enough to produce that kind of light in broad daylight?? Hidden batteries in the motor?? Maybe. I'm wondering if that capacitor is even a capacitor. It might be a lipo battery made to look like a cap. It the rotors were modified into magnetic types to make a simple pulse motor, then that might be one way this 'illusion' is done.
It sure is a puzzle.
Lidmotor
Well we will leave the first one for a while--time to think.
Here is the next Qmogen lol.
But this one has no wires running down through the leg's.
It runs for quite some time,and with no sign of slowing down.
He drives various loads from the generator.
The one thing that i noticed from the fist viewing of this video,was the very slow startup of the large motor-due to the large flywheel. That motor would have been drawing a lot of current during that time. But the small wires carrying the mains current to the motor did not get hot-so it would seem.
I think we should have seen some smoke :D,of a burnt out multi plug adapter.
Well anyway--here it is. The latest Qmogen from india lol--love there safety boots. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAseG7z_GQo
Brad
Brad
It is another strange Motor/Generator "illusion" but once again ---how? The big blue generator is probably where the trick is hidden. It might not be a generator at all. It is big enough to hold a car battery and a big inverter-----or under that tape on the 'Made in Italy" spec plate it says BEDINI. Ha ;D
I like the blue PJs, sunglasses and bare feet. In magic that is called 'misdirection'. 8)
Rusty
Well, I agree with whomever said there could be a good sized battery in that box mounted to the blue motor. Also, I have had many electric motors on machines in my machine shop, and the one he plugs in first would have blown any fuse, or flipped any breaker with how long it took to spin up. It should have been like...1,2,3 boom...full rpm. Now that flywheel, which is very nice by the way, would not allow that size motor to spin up that fast which is why it would have drawn too much and either blown the breaker or fried those wires, which look to be about 12 ga.
So, he has a 12 volt battery running the blue motor and I have no idea what the heck else he is doing there. This guy reminded me of a foreign born Mylow for some reason, ha ha. I have never seen a connector box that large on any motor on any machines I have ever owned, including one with a 50 HP motor on it. (Blanchard)
Bill
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 26, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Brad
It is another strange Motor/Generator "illusion" but once again ---how? The big blue generator is probably where the trick is hidden. It might not be a generator at all. It is big enough to hold a car battery and a big inverter-----or under that tape on the 'Made in Italy" spec plate it says BEDINI. Ha ;D
I like the blue PJs, sunglasses and bare feet. In magic that is called 'misdirection'. 8)
Rusty
Ok,well this is where the power of observation comes in.
Who likes that very large and !heavy :D! flywheel ?.
Watch from 2:30 :o . Now,that guy is either superman ,or that flywheel is plastic,timber or cardboard,as there is no way in hell he could spin a steel flywheel that size up that fast with one hand,and then stop it just as quick with one hand. Also,when he spins it up just before plugging the motor in,it has near stopped spinning in about 3 second's. A steel flywheel that size would take a minute at least to spin down to a stop-even with the belts and motor hooked to it.
So the flywheel is a fake to start with. :D
Second-as i stated in my first post,and Bill stated later,that motor would be drawing a huge amount of current for a long period of time starting that slowly under such a load--but the little wires can still be carried in his hand--with no sign of smoke.
Third--take a very close look at 4:44,and again at 5:41,and best of all,9:52-use full screen option to get a good look :o--see pic below.
Do you see anything wrong with this jumper wiring setup? ;D
So here is what i have come up with--how it is faked.
1-the large green electric motor is just the shell of an old motor,and inside that motor is a small DC electric motor-along with battery/batteries. It is clear from the picture below,that the wires coming from the generator are hooked together by the jumper configuration. This means that they just complete the battery DC motor circuit in the green electric motor,and his !so called! power board plug that was suppose to be supplying mains power,is also just a jumper connection,and the wires going through the door way,are just twisted together on the other side of the door--that you dont see.
2-The flywheel is definitely not steel or iron. I would say it is made from timber,and well sanded and painted--looks great ;)
3- Inside the so called generator,there is a large battery,or two smaller ones hooked together in parallel,along with an inverter. The shaft with the pully on is a dummy stub shaft,and is hooked to nothing,but only there to carry the belt.
4- Looking that the chocky block,and how all the wires are linked together,takes a little more nutting out. You would think that the inverters output would be shorted,as all 4 pins on the chocky block are wired together. As he uses the two top outputs that are toward the back of the generator to power all his power tool's,we can assume that the steel cores inside the chocky block on those two outputs have been cut in half,and do not run through from top to bottom. The inverter wires come in through the center of the chocky block,and are only connected to the two top halves of the chocky block connector.
5-also note that the flywheel is rotating very slowly,and the ratio from flywheel to generator is 1:1.5 at best-looking at pulley diameters. Those generators need to spin at around 3600RPM to give 50Hz,and there is no way that flywheel is doing around 2000RPM +
So thats my guess based on what i see in the video,and i could replicate this one easily.
Brad
Good debunk Brad. You have to admit the guy did a pretty good job on the "project". Too bad there were so many obvious flaws in the thing. I think that I would have at least cleaned up all the junk on the floor before I did the video. A scaled down version of this would make a nice conversation piece if you improved the design a bit--but why bother.
....and one more free energy device bites the dust. ;D
I am still puzzled by that twin shade pole motor one. The Chineeeeeezzeee one. :-\
Rusty
P.S. I stopped the video at 10:30 and you can see where the main feed wires come out of the generator (inverter?) so the terminal block is wired correctly and not shorted as we thought. I'm still going with the idea the inside 'Big Blue' is a car battery and a strong inverter to run every thing.
QuoteThird--take a very close look at 4:44,and again at 5:41,and best of all,9:52-use full screen option to get a good look [/size]--see pic below.Do you see anything wrong with this jumper wiring setup? from Tinman
Im not saying that I advocate the validity of this machine, but if you look closely at the wires on the "generator", you see that 2 does not connect to 3 on the connector block. The fatter wires at 1 and 2 come out of the motor body just below the connector block.
Anyway, I believe its faked.
I was 'inspired' so I built this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWuVUDjWGSo
A small desktop version of the fakes we are looking at would be fun to build and have. They are curious toys. I see no harm in them as long as people realize what they are----fakes.
---Rusty
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 27, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
I was 'inspired' so I built this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWuVUDjWGSo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWuVUDjWGSo)
A small desktop version of the fakes we are looking at would be fun to build and have. They are curious toys. I see no harm in them as long as people realize what they are----fakes.
---Rusty
Very nice and clever bricolage!
Hiding the power source (super cap) in plain sight is a nice touch.
What I do not understand is why some people like the man with the sun glasses go to all that trouble in order to gain some short lived fame. Just moving the heavy stuff and mounting it must be a chore. (I do understand why you built your small debunk version. It is educational and funny.)
Greetings, Conrad
Nice job Rusty. I'll bet this gets reposted as proof of free energy one day, ha ha. I am not kidding either.
Very well done Sir.
Bill
Quote from: conradelektro on April 27, 2016, 07:06:33 PM
Very nice and clever bricolage!
Hiding the power source (super cap) in plain sight is a nice touch.
What I do not understand is why some people like the man with the sun glasses go to all that trouble in order to gain some short lived fame. Just moving the heavy stuff and mounting it must be a chore. (I do understand why you built your small debunk version. It is educational and funny.)
Greetings, Conrad
Thanks Conrad,
I think that too many of these people are trying to use these frauds to make a living. I know TK goes after these folks to try and stop unfortunate people from getting hurt. The fun ones, where nobody is asking for money, don't bother me. To me they are just puzzles and can end up as great learning tools.
Bill
Once in awhile I find one of my video posted in an odd place and wonder how it got there. My "Mini Tesla Coil" video showed up on someone's site promoting that guys free energy device. It happens. I wouldn't be surprised if this video wanders around the web.
--Rusty
Even better version of the shaded pole one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc)
:P
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 27, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Even better version of the shaded pole one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc)
:P
As he doesn't lift it from the bench,he can hide his supply wires very easily.
Brad
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 27, 2016, 12:26:42 PM
Good debunk Brad. You have to admit the guy did a pretty good job on the "project". Too bad there were so many obvious flaws in the thing. I think that I would have at least cleaned up all the junk on the floor before I did the video. A scaled down version of this would make a nice conversation piece if you improved the design a bit--but why bother.
....and one more free energy device bites the dust. ;D
I am still puzzled by that twin shade pole motor one. The Chineeeeeezzeee one. :-\
Rusty
P.S. I stopped the video at 10:30 and you can see where the main feed wires come out of the generator (inverter?) so the terminal block is wired correctly and not shorted as we thought. I'm still going with the idea the inside 'Big Blue' is a car battery and a strong inverter to run every thing.
Mmm
Well on closer inspection,you could be right Rusty. It did look like the thick red wire was a jumper,but it could be coming out from the box on the generator.
This actually makes more sense,as that would confirm a very small 240 volt AC motor inside the large green motor housing.
I agree that the generator houses a battery and inverter.
Loved your mini version.
Can you do it without the cap? ;)
Brad
Quote from: tinman on April 28, 2016, 12:00:25 AM
Mmm
Well on closer inspection,you could be right Rusty. It did look like the thick red wire was a jumper,but it could be coming out from the box on the generator.
This actually makes more sense,as that would confirm a very small 240 volt AC motor inside the large green motor housing.
I agree that the generator houses a battery and inverter.
Loved your mini version.
Can you do it without the cap? ;)
Brad
Thanks. I am having lots of fun with the little motor generator I made. It doesn't need the cap and I have been running it several different ways. It is really is a mechanical DC to DC voltage booster. If I run it on 1.5v I get about 4.5v at the generator. Too bad it pulls 90mA to do that but hey there is no free ride--except maybe in Pakistan? :(
Rusty
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 27, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Even better version of the shaded pole one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc)
:P
It looks to me that the capacitor is not really a capacitor but a battery? May be the original capacitor was gutted and a super cap or a button battery was put inside the original capacitor housing and it was then sealed with some hot-melt?
I do not understand the shaded pole motors well enough to know whether it would run on DC.
There are at least two presentations on YouTube of the same thing from different authors.
Greetings, Conrad
P.S.: May be it needs two shaded pole motors connected with a belt to make them run with a DC power source (battery or super cap). One motor is poled in reverse to the other and they are always in the start up mode (pulled along by the shaded poles)?
bump
;)
Quote from: TinselKoala on April 27, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Even better version of the shaded pole one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc)
:P
I believe that is a 50 Hz hum that we hear toward the end. Why would it make that noise if not on the grid somehow? As Brad mentioned, he did not pick it up so, maybe his wires are hidden under the paper?
How do you think he did this? I am still confused by the Chinese guy's version.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2016, 10:26:51 AM
I believe that is a 50 Hz hum that we hear toward the end. Why would it make that noise if not on the grid somehow? As Brad mentioned, he did not pick it up so, maybe his wires are hidden under the paper?
How do you think he did this? I am still confused by the Chinese guy's version.
Bill
Yes
I am stuck on that one to ATM.
Brad
Quote from: webby1 on April 30, 2016, 11:11:08 AM
Take a small DC motor,, put really long leads on it,, hold the output shaft, power the motor,,
Hollow out the core in the motor seen in the video,, place a button battery inside that hollowed out core with a simple CF type switch,, one side of the battery is directly connected to the motor and the other goes through the switch and to the hollowed out rotor core,, the other input for the motor is connected to the motor shaft,, switch closes and the battery runs the motor and if the motor output shaft is held by the frame of the original motor it spins.
I have done this kind of thing so I could use the case of the motor as a larger pulley than the shaft. Not so much the illusion thing,,
What has me stumped about the Chinese video is the large incandescent bulb on bright in broad daylight. I think he has mains AC someway put into his setup. The way he is carefully handling the wires indicates to me that he doesn't want to get zapped. Having the kids nearby is pretty dangerous. Just my opinion. I think that I have figured out the two shaded pole setup. The capacitor causes a phase shift. If it is wired backwards perhaps the rig won't run (I'm guessing). Might be fun to build one up to try the theory. You would still have to feed it with mains AC for it to run.
--Rusty
Quote from: webby1 on April 30, 2016, 02:50:29 PM
Looks can be deceiving,, is that a regular incandescent light bulb??
I have not seen a normal one light up the way it does,, how long should it take for the filament to go from orange to white??
A good magician makes the audience believe that the knife is real by play acting.
Good valid points. It is all about getting the audience TO BELIEVE!!! Here is my latest video on using induction as a way to send the juice into a 'Free Energy' device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf5RADDbI
Rusty
Quote from: Lidmotor on April 30, 2016, 05:48:43 PM
Good valid points. It is all about getting the audience TO BELIEVE!!! Here is my latest video on using induction as a way to send the juice into a 'Free Energy' device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf5RADDbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf5RADDbI)
Rusty
Rusty:
Excellent!
I really think you have solved this. Your method explains why it could be picked up, for a bit, and still keep running.
Induction.
Why didn't I think of that?
Bill
I've been telling you the same thing for years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x2YfA9LU5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00
Of course I didn't have a 22 Farad supercap to play with for those demonstrations.
But here's one with a 10F supercap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPt7xbmHXfY
Ok-so where are the coils on the two motors that would couple with a coil under the table?
The only coils i see on the motors,are the two wound in a vertical plane,which would not couple to a coil under the table that would be in a horizontal plane.
Great to see those that can get LED's to light using wireless coupling,but lets see some one light an incandescent bulb wirelessly -one around the size of an auto tail light globe ;)
Brad
Quote from: tinman on May 01, 2016, 05:01:21 AM
Ok-so where are the coils on the two motors that would couple with a coil under the table?
The only coils i see on the motors,are the two wound in a vertical plane,which would not couple to a coil under the table that would be in a horizontal plane.
Great to see those that can get LED's to light using wireless coupling,but lets see some one light an incandescent bulb wirelessly -one around the size of an auto tail light globe ;)
Brad
In the first two videos in my post above I'm using a car dome light bulb, 12v 10W. Here's a photo of a #1157 brake light bulb (just using one filament) being lit up, just using random single-loop matching and a nonconcealed pickup system. It's darn bright, I had to stop the lens down to get a reasonable exposure.
I'm not totally convinced that the video in your first post is done using wireless power, but it is possible that the wiring used to connect the two motors together is the actual receiver loop (along with the capacitor, which is necessary!) Hidden in plain sight!
Also, you can get 12 volt bulbs in that common Edison-base style; don't think it necessarily has to be a 120 or 220 volt bulb.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 05:25:46 AM
I'm not totally convinced that the video in your first post is done using wireless power, but it is possible that the wiring used to connect the two motors together is the actual receiver loop (along with the capacitor, which is necessary!) Hidden in plain sight!
Also, you can get 12 volt bulbs in that common Edison-base style; don't think it necessarily has to be a 120 or 220 volt bulb.
Edit-just seen your taillight bulb test ;)
Brad.
Brad
Quote from: tinman on April 27, 2016, 11:53:28 PM
As he doesn't lift it from the bench,he can hide his supply wires very easily.
Brad
How about this one then? I think he'd get the heck shocked out of him if this one was supplied by mains power through thin wires or such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
I'm still not convinced about the wireless power system either, but I think this video pretty much rules out mains power getting to the bulb at least.
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 05:57:08 AM
How about this one...
I noticed a dot disappears from 1:30 - 1:31. Not sure if that gives any clues to how it was done. The dot appears to fade out quickly instead of instantly disappearing as I would expect from a switch-a-roo, so I'm not sure what's going on there. Maybe a video compression artifact?
Quote from: TinselKoala on May 01, 2016, 05:57:08 AM
How about this one then? I think he'd get the heck shocked out of him if this one was supplied by mains power through thin wires or such.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
I'm still not convinced about the wireless power system either, but I think this video pretty much rules out mains power getting to the bulb at least.
Well for a good portion of the video,he holds the device at right angles to the bench top. This would mean that any inductive coupling between a driver coil,and receiver coil is decoupled.
The two motors look un-modified to me,you can see both big rotors still turning as they should.
Even the shorted turns are still on both stator cores.
Lidmotor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
Brad
Brad and TK
This one we are looking at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc
-----is still a major puzzle along with the Chinese one. The induction explanation doesn't work for me because of the angles and distance. I don't think that a hidden battery or super cap is the answer either. If they are hiding a power feed wire then they are doing a really good job of it. Perhaps it is video editing? I have seen about three or four running example videos and two non-running failure videos. I'm not seeing anything that shows a clear description of how this could possibly be real. It is faked --but how?
--Rusty
I think there's an edit at 3:45 just after he changes the "polarity" of the wire connection to the second motor. But that still doesn't explain how it's done.
I could do it, but not "simply". It would take a lot of work, cutting away the hidden parts of the cores inside the coils and stuffing things in there like a battery and some electronics. Somehow I doubt that this is how it's done; there must be a simpler system.
As far as wireless power is concerned, I'm not too worried about the orientation; I don't think there's any rule that says he has to be using a single wireless transmitter in just one plane! But I'm still not completely convinced that is the answer, either.
Well,we know for sure that it dose not work as claimed-dont we?
But as of yet,we dont know how it dose work,or how they do it. Some of the video's could be done,but some seem to be a little more tricky.
The last video you posted TK,looked to have some kind of paper mash around the bulb.
Perhaps a hidden power source in the bulb,but that still leaves the motor.
I have two of the very same shaded pole motors now,so i will keep at it until i can achieve the effect.
Brad
I am still working on this and today I got the idea that perhaps the rotors are not rotors but PM motors. I threw together a little setup to test the idea and after working with it decided that this is not the way. Too much cogging in the motors. :( I made a video to show what it looked like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMBhTNfnz0
Back to the drawing board for me.
Rusty
This is what I thought might have been used but I don't think so now.