This is such an interesting question, that I had to start this thread , if only to let people know about it .
I can't contribute anything to this thread, it's yet another area I know nothing about.
In solid-state designs, like the two currently active threads on here at the moment, I quickly lose interest when they use microchips, or more than a small number of electronic components , since I sort of think if they could function, they should be able to without microchips and with very few electronic components .
There's a concept I can't work out, a simple solid-state design
- place numerous coils-containing-cores-inside, in a circle, they are in no way connected with each other, but are positioned so that they can induce( contactless ) power in the ones next to them, left and right
- and then only pulse one coil, hoping that that pulse will travel around the circle( TO SELF-POWER THE DEVICE ), but since the initial coil you have pulsed has induced the next coil on it's left and also on it's right, then there will now be 2 pulses travelling around the circle, in opposite directions .
- Those 2 pulses would probably prevent this device from being self-powering .
One option, you could try cone-shaped-coils-containing-cone-shaped-iron-cores, but would that solve the problem or function at all
Another option , you could have the coils-containing-cores-inside in pairs ( with sufficient large spacing between pairs so that pairs cannot induce power in other pairs ), in a pair, one coil-containing-a-core induces power in another coil-containing-a-core, then the power travels through a diode to the next pair .
I forgot to mention something, which I think is very important
When pulsing a single coil-containing-a-core in the circle, to try and see how far the pulse will travel, the pulse would have to be of such sufficiently short duration, so that it would effectively travel around the circle staying intact as an individual pulse, which will continue to individually pulse coils-containing-cores, one at a time, so that they can induce power in another coil-containing-a-core, all one at a time.
- I wonder if it would matter if this would be a very square-wave pulse, or could it just be wavy, although a very square-wave pulse would give you the opportunity to compress as much energy as possible in such a short possible duration
You want really fishing in the "Dirac Sea" with "Dirac surges" ?
If it were possible to do what you want with that you suggest, it would be prone to developing an aetheric vortex.
However, it isn't really possible as you suggest, there are 2 ways it could be done though, one would involve induction between coil, diodes storing charge in a cap that discharges into the next tank circuit at a pre-determined level voltage threshold. This would be a mess really.
The better way, which has been claimed to be OU in a patent requires making a network of inductors and caps which do not really operate as transformers, but as a phase shift network.
I don't know hoe to find that patent, but you can look into phase shift networks that use only inductor and capacitor.
It is worth noting that the Hubbard Transformer used an auto distributor as seen in one photo, this is another way to do it, to apply energy individually and sequentially to each inductor. Though we don't know how sure how Hubbard used the distributor.
Quote from: postingsite on July 31, 2018, 10:25:12 PM
Another option , you could have the coils-containing-cores-inside in pairs ( with sufficient large spacing between pairs so that pairs cannot induce power in other pairs ), in a pair, one coil-containing-a-core induces power in another coil-containing-a-core, then the power travels through a diode to the next pair .
Or replace each pair with a single bar-shaped-core,
- and on that bar-shaped-core have two pairs of windings,
- an input-winding to pulse the core,
- and an output winding containing more( ? ) windings and/or thicker( ? ) wire
Or, on the output coil-containing-a-core, in each individual pair of coils-containing-cores, this output coil-containing-a-core could contain more( ? ) windings and/or thicker( ? ) wire
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Quote from: aether22 on August 01, 2018, 05:59:50 AM
However, it isn't really possible as you suggest,
I somehow think that if everything was designed correctly ( just right ?, not sure ) maybe also involving my suggestions above, it might( or not ) function .
HERE'S A REASON WHY I THINK IT MIGHT WORK
- Think of very old telephone and radio networks running thousands of miles, which relied on REPEATER-STATIONS OR UNITS / BOOSTERS, some of those repeater-hardware would have relied on induction( contactless ) designs, which means, that each individual tiny pulse, survived travelling thousands of miles .
( sure, you could argue that the repeater/amplifier-equipment was itself powered by an external power-source, which means it was always ready via an external power source, to amplify any signal, which makes it different to my idea, but because I have no knowledge in any of this, at the moment I cannot counter that argument )
- Apparently another example is the electricity-grid, but I don't know enough about it to comment. Some people apparently think power generation actually occurs in the electricity-grid itself ( all the transformers etc ) instead of at the hydroelectric-station, they think the hydroelectric-station only serves to provide the pulsing, and as a facade etc.
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Quote from: postingsite on July 31, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
the pulse would have to be of such sufficiently short duration, so that it would effectively travel around the circle staying intact as an individual pulse, which will continue to individually pulse coils-containing-cores, one at a time, so that they can induce power in another coil-containing-a-core, all one at a time.
- I wonder if it would matter if this would be a very square-wave pulse, or could it just be wavy, although a very square-wave pulse would give you the opportunity to compress as much energy as possible in such a short possible duration
what I meant there was, that "the pulse would have to be of such sufficiently short duration" so that the pulse would not run into and past itself in regard to the size of the circle-circuit/loop, because if that happened, the pulse would flatten, no longer be any type of wave shape( so not able to cause induction )
Quote from: postingsite on July 31, 2018, 10:25:12 PM
since I sort of think if they could function, they should be able to without microchips and with very few electronic components .
No.
Quote from: postingsite on August 01, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
HERE'S A REASON WHY I THINK IT MIGHT WORK
- Think of very old telephone and radio networks running thousands of miles, which relied on REPEATER-STATIONS OR UNITS / BOOSTERS, some of those repeater-hardware would have relied on induction( contactless ) designs, which means, that each individual tiny pulse, survived travelling thousands of miles .
( sure, you could argue that the repeater/amplifier-equipment was itself powered by an external power-source, which means it was always ready via an external power source, to amplify any signal, which makes it different to my idea, but because I have no knowledge in any of this, at the moment I cannot counter that argument )
- Apparently another example is the electricity-grid, but I don't know enough about it to comment. Some people apparently think power generation actually occurs in the electricity-grid itself ( all the transformers etc ) instead of at the hydroelectric-station, they think the hydroelectric-station only serves to provide the pulsing, and as a facade etc.
I looked for the word "repeat" on the following webpage -
http://atlantic-cable.com/Article/SA/78/index.htm
and found the text -
"It had also offered to insert repeaters into its existing cables"
- it also says the distance was 6494-km with 65 repeaters, as far as I can work out, many of these repeaters would have been in the water , too difficult to work it out
- so coaxial also has distance limits
While I think you are dreaming, I did get a flash of inspiration while reading your reply...
Put a U shaped coil core next to another and so on, this would give what would look like a directional transfer of EMF to the coil to the right not the left say...
And, if this truly acts in a single direction, then we can make a Free Energy transformer (which I do not believe will work, but the idea is still compelling).
Put a U shaped core up to a closed loop core, the U shaped core feeds flux into the O core, but the O cores flux remain inside. Yes, I know this is not the first idea of it's type, but I have never really understood why ideas like this don't work, on an intuitive level they look like they should, however I personally believe that this is not how Free Energy is evolved.
Since I actually have no knowledge qualifications or experience related to this site, I assume your cores design would probably be more valid than my -
Quote from: postingsite on July 31, 2018, 10:25:12 PM
One option, you could try cone-shaped-coils-containing-cone-shaped-iron-cores, but would that solve the problem or function at all
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However, I read on this site, and everywhere else, that the 'Secret' to achieving overunity using transformers ( coils and cores ) is -
- The output winding need to contain more( ? ) windings and/or thicker( ? ) wire
( I have never bothered properly understanding this advice I have read, since I never build anything, but reading it, it sound like it has ( may have ) validity , sounds logical .
From my post -
Quote from: postingsite on August 01, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
Or replace each pair with a single bar-shaped-core,
- and on that bar-shaped-core have two pairs of windings,
- an input-winding to pulse the core,
- and an output winding containing more( ? ) windings and/or thicker( ? ) wire
Or, on the output coil-containing-a-core, in each individual pair of coils-containing-cores, this output coil-containing-a-core could contain more( ? ) windings and/or thicker( ? ) wire
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Obviously it's to correctly / effectively tap into the overunity( some would say arguable ) effect of -
MAGNETIC-CORES MULTIPLY THE STRENGTH OF THE MAGNETIC-FIELD BY
THOUSANDS OF TIMES, COMPARED TO ONLY USING A COIL WITH NO CORE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet
Quote from that wikipedia page above -
"A core can increase the magnetic field to thousands of times the strength of the field of the coil alone, due to the high magnetic permeability μ of the material."
Just to further clarify why I think my idea maybe( ? ) could function,
- I have attached an electrical-diagram, below, which shows that the circle is not one continuous electrical-circuit, but rather, a series of smaller electrical-circuits which are only only connected to each other via induction ( totally contactless )
- also, I have attached a diagram of overunity-induction-designs
( note that because material on the net about step-up and step-down transformers is so difficult to understand, I'm making un-educated guesses etc )
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also -
Quote from: postingsite on August 01, 2018, 05:18:43 PM
I looked for the word "repeat" on the following webpage -
http://atlantic-cable.com/Article/SA/78/index.htm
and found the text -
"It had also offered to insert repeaters into its existing cables"
- it also says the distance was 6494-km with 65 repeaters, as far as I can work out, many of these repeaters would have been in the water , too difficult to work it out
- so coaxial also has distance limits
"It had also offered to insert repeaters into its existing cables"
- one explanation may be that there was already a pre-existing small power cable contained inside the atlantic cable
- another explanation may be that one of the communication-cables inside the atlantic cable had some sort of surplus power, or had power increased to power to repeaters installed into the cable
I forgot to put the diodes ( essential ) in the electrical-diagram for the 'electric-version' , so here it is below
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Although I was thinking it may not be possible to do a 'non-electric' ( maybe except for the very first short pulse ) version of this device, e.g. a circle( or line ) of iron-shapes, to see how far the inducted-magnetic-pulse will travel, and maybe even if it can be amplified in a 'non-electric' version, what about radio-waves, electromagnetic-pulses, waves in water, they all seem to do exactly that ( although usually they are not amplified as they travel )
- the secret seems to be in the way that they are originally transmitted/generated, e.g. a dish-antenna will only transmit in one direction, so maybe you would have to figure some very clever way of replicating the dish-antenna effect or a shielding-effect to initially-pulse a 'non-electric' version
- maybe an electromagnetic-laser ( are they not all electromagnetic )
I am not stating any other fact but that when Inductors are in series and NOT mutually inductive they will in fact be additive in potential. this is from facts from my own bench work.
regards,
Marathonman
Quote from: marathonman on August 05, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
I am not stating any other fact but that when Inductors are in series and NOT mutually inductive they will in fact be additive in potential. this is from facts from my own bench work.
regards,
Marathonman
What more would people need to know, other than that, in order to forget about building other peoples designs
I did not want to add anymore posts to this thread, however, I only just remembered / rediscovered that most transformers have to be AC, due to the saturation problem, so that makes the "Circle of coils-containing-cores, self-powering ?" design that I started this thread on, problematic, but maybe not problematic to people with a lot of experience in this field
You have very good thoughts. That's all I can say.
Of course when you concentrate magnetic field with a core ,you have overunity...until you try to get out the energy ... in wrong way
Quote from: postingsite on August 13, 2018, 05:19:51 PM
I did not want to add anymore posts to this thread, however, I only just remembered / rediscovered that most transformers have to be AC, due to the saturation problem, so that makes the "Circle of coils-containing-cores, self-powering ?" design that I started this thread on, problematic, but maybe not problematic to people with a lot of experience in this field
I forgot that a method, unless I'm wrong, of avoiding saturation in iron-cores, is to attach a wire( wires ? ) to it, so any build up of current( due to saturation ) will drain of , I don't know how effective this method is
That is obviously connected to the following thread I started -
https://overunity.com/17843/pulsing-an-iron-core-by-running-electrical-current-through-it/msg524849/#new