Suppose you actually built a free energy device. What would you do with it?
You try to patent it but the US gov. classifies it as secret.
You approach academics and they refuse to even look at it. Any paper you write about it is instantly denied as "a violation of physical law".
You try to give it away on line but individuals appear on line that deny that it works. You suspect this is deliberate.
You keep pushing it but end up mysteriously dead like Karen Silkwood. Or Seth Rich. Or Dr. Kelly.
How do you expose it to the world?
Like all other great inventions. People must understand how it works and check themselves.
There was a reported incident in which a scientist refused to read evidence of "cold fusion" - saying that he wouldn't believe under any circumstance.
Would a person have to hand out working models to potential "believers"?
Not a working models alone. Working practical models with tutorial and explanation ,safety precautions and normalization. Make it like Arduino DYI. The same happened to radio in early years.
Open source is the only way which would work.
Patenting it will not work, because some big company would steal it anyway, if it works.
Building and selling devices would also work to some extent, but it works much better after it has been proven to work.
How about introducing it to a different culture?
Israelis? (to wreck the whole Muslim/Arab world)
Iceland? (because they are liberals with no fuel sources)
China? (because they would like to get off oil and can defy the US)
Could it work out backwards - like Jesus reported miracles - "Don't tell anyone I did this" and the next thing you know it's all over the ancient world in Gospels.
If I invented something extraordinary I would show a working version and let it be measured by independent experts. The rest is detail.
All the claims I have ever seen could never show something working and independently tested.
Greetings, Conrad
Actually, I recall a number of inventions that went to independent experts who offered favorable opinions............that were utterly ignored.
A couple cavitation devices, Depalma's Homopolar device, Werjefelt's Magnetic battery and so on.
'All the claims I have ever seen could never show
something working and independently tested.'> and thaire, dear wattson,is the prollem
why do you bother taking on Satans flies in deep guv your opening a can of 'flea jumping maggots that can pierce your flesh with every disease going', forget that hair-brained idea and leave well alone. you answered your own question when you started
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Quote from: Eighthman on April 30, 2019, 08:19:11 PM
Actually, I recall a number of inventions that went to independent experts who offered favorable opinions............that were utterly ignored.
A couple cavitation devices, Depalma's Homopolar device, Werjefelt's Magnetic battery and so on.
I'm not aware that any of these devices ever generated energy.
With 'generating energy' i mean that it's able to run in closed loop, without needing any (conventional) external energy input.
@Skywatcher
Some of the designs I have stumbled upon / invented, work. They output substanceialy greater amounts of energy
than is input into them and cyclically.
I have ask and still ask, my self, what were / are my motivations for embarking on this kind of quest. The answer in many.
Experts frequently refused to look at the devices / drawings / explanations. If any have looked they have not openly done so.
Others, expert or not, have demanded measurements, but With out giveing me any any indication that they in fact understood
the principles of the devices operations. Neither have they been so clear in their demands as to specify what to and / or how to measure.
In short, I have such a device / design.
I have never self looped it.
Am I more afraid.... that it wont self loop, or that it will self loop ?
It will...
I have asked for and received, good counsel, as to what to do with it. But found nothing I had not my self all ready considered.
My own, best advice to my self, has been to go ahead and self lop it, and not only that, but also build a useful up scaled device
for my own energy needs.
Its principles / designs are all ready in the public domain and presented here at OU forum.
Your question /s ....
Is /are, I think, ones which the inventor / discoverer must answer for his / her self.
best wishes
floor
Some cavitation devices appear to create more energy as heat than the input drive as electricity. Can't loop that.
I think Werjefelt's device might have been more energy out than in but I think it was impractical to adjust and manage.
Homopolar generators may also be impractical because the voltages are so low and require complex slip ring type contacts.
Supposedly, the Nelson Electron Trap was done by a real physicist but went nowhere.
I can only add that, if I found an electrical device that was overunity, I would modify it to only use and output strict DC current/voltage.
Absolutely no apparent/real power concerns or power factor bull sh*t.
Quote from: Floor on May 01, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
Some of the designs I have stumbled upon / invented, work. They output substanceialy greater amounts of energy
than is input into them and cyclically.
If you know such designs which have been proven to work, please give me a hint where i can find them. :)
So far i have only seen half-baked ideas (people who got 95% efficiency and they said with some little improvements it will go over 100% (which of course never happened)), wrong measurements of input/output power (and of course no closed loop operation) or all sorts of scam. Never seen anything which was able to operate without conventional power input, and successfully replicated by others.
Quote from: Floor on May 01, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
@Skywatcher
Some of the designs I have stumbled upon / invented, work. They output substanceialy greater amounts of energy
than is input into them and cyclically.
...
In short, I have such a device / design.
I have never self looped it.
Am I more afraid.... that it wont self loop, or that it will self loop ?
It will...
@Floor, A heat pump is doing exactly that. So is a solar panel, a wind turbine, a power plant and many more. None of those can be self looped...So, first thing first, one needs to be more explicit. Then you say it will self loop. I won't buy that based on your word alone.
@Eightman,Back to the main question, I'd start publishing on-line my findings. Maybe not all findings but surely most of them, so as to be sure I cannot be latter deprived of certain privileges. We're talking here about a ground-breaking invention, a game-changer, the Holy Grail of actual science, an almost guaranteed Nobel-prize winner, right? So, I wouldn't worry much about the lack of future benefits once the proper recognition is ensured.
I wouldn't gift the product (if one would exist) because that could be too expensive and inefficient but maybe lend it as a black-box for experiments, OU measurements and confirmation, with a pretty hefty financial guarantee (escrow) in case the seals are broken (or the black-box' integrity is altered in any way).
Then there is development. It need to be financed, at least for the start.
I'd take the path of Dr. Poher - http://www.universons.com/ (http://www.universons.com/), namely to use my own savings (as almost all members here do), then try to make partnership, find associates and/or develop proof of concept products or even small-scale commercial products to be sold at a premium. Continue to release info on public domain and keep on going.
Just my opinion. I surely don't have, at present time, the slightest hope for such an OU device. Maybe you and/or Floor can shed some light and make the hope reborn!
Best regards!
The Nantenna is a 24/7 energy converting and electricity delivering device.
It is free energy !Is this a reazon to grant the inventor with an A.Nobel-Award ?
Peace,Physics,Chemistry, Comedy( Literature)..... ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
positive R&D result example
2004: "Airpower" ,Israel Hirshberg, 24/7 commercialisation trial ,claim 3,4 US$cents/KWh
excluding high amortization tax ( 2004/2019 calculation)
excluding R&D R.O.I. margin -2/3 : 350 US$/KW selling price
energy commerce modernization : 1 US$cent/KWh electricity
~ 15 US$ barrel crude oil - future CO2 tax= 10 US$ barrel crude oil value
1 barrel/ barril/Fasz crude oil ~ theoretical 1600 KWh energy content
aveurope.net( Russia) they built a similar energy conversion system
prototype KW price : 350 US$ ( prototyping is ever more expensive than later mass production)
and calculated with 1 US$cent/KWh
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negative R&D result example
www.borderlands.de (http://www.borderlands.de). Technology of Free Energy Multiplier
f.e. Ucros ( Colombia) with C.O.P. 9 claim
only the 200 A relay costs > 350 US$ and working with batteries KWh > 10 US$ cents
total system electricity delivering price > 15 US$ cents/KWh
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The " free energy device" has to be cheap and relyable and maintenance- free/- less
No batteries for storage but for the device start phase.
No exotic parts , no rare elements
( 4 billion households x FE device material weight)/ industrial exploration capacity per annum
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Quote from: lancaIV on May 03, 2019, 04:12:21 AM
The Nantenna is a 24/7 energy converting and electricity delivering device.It is free energy !Is this a reazon to grant the inventor with an A.Nobel-Award ? Peace,Physics,Chemistry, Comedy( Literature)..... ?
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Yes, imho comedy prize is just fine for Nantenna! :)
Seriously speaking, it's an electricity collecting device. What's the new discovery besides that of Benjamin Franklin to deserve discussing the question of granting a prize?!
If you ride an electric scooter in Vietnam or Cambodia, you will be outclassed or ridiculed. For exactly the same reason, if you post something important in this forum, you will definitely get rejected.
It is important to understand that some parts of the world are simply not ready to accept something unconventional.
Personally, I would publish all the important research findings in journals.
Quote from: Eighthman on April 29, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
Suppose you actually built a free energy device. What would you do with it?
You try to patent it but the US gov. classifies it as secret.
You approach academics and they refuse to even look at it. Any paper you write about it is instantly denied as "a violation of physical law".
You try to give it away on line but individuals appear on line that deny that it works. You suspect this is deliberate.
You keep pushing it but end up mysteriously dead like Karen Silkwood. Or Seth Rich. Or Dr. Kelly.
How do you expose it to the world?
I think the smartest place would be on YouTube.com
See below for an example:
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Let me be blunt about something I fear: active measures taken against any possibility of developing or exposing free energy on the internet.
Example: there is a certain popular conspiracy site ( filled with misspellings and hateful/racist comments) that some people have linked to Langely, Va. ( hint, hint)
The hypothesis is that the website is used by an intelligence agency to "smoke out" troublemakers in US society to identify them by their comments.
In the military, this is similar to Special Forces tactics ( the SAS in Afghanistan) to attract insurgents to attack a seemingly weak position - and then wipe them out. It isn't what it seems.
Another Example: on a religious site about a cult, I offered a specific opinion about A Certain Attack Involving Aircraft On A Major US City - and........... was instantly inundated with a flood of contrary posts by persons I never heard of (on that site) and they actually steered the discussion into posting pictures of kittens ! This sort of thing happened again in regard to a post about "Cold Fusion".
I truly believe this Overunity site is full of good people who want a better future for us all. However, i do wonder if it could be used by some very evil people for another purpose entirely.
And in case any of those people are reading this, i don't have a free energy device. I'm just investigating.
'How do you expose it to the world?'> u expose the world to it
Quote from: Eighthman on May 03, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
Let me be blunt about something I fear: active measures taken against any possibility of developing or exposing free energy on the internet.
Example: there is a certain popular conspiracy site ( filled with misspellings and hateful/racist comments) that some people have linked to Langely, Va. ( hint, hint)
The hypothesis is that the website is used by an intelligence agency to "smoke out" troublemakers in US society to identify them by their comments.
In the military, this is similar to Special Forces tactics ( the SAS in Afghanistan) to attract insurgents to attack a seemingly weak position - and then wipe them out. It isn't what it seems.
Another Example: on a religious site about a cult, I offered a specific opinion about A Certain Attack Involving Aircraft On A Major US City - and........... was instantly inundated with a flood of contrary posts by persons I never heard of (on that site) and they actually steered the discussion into posting pictures of kittens ! This sort of thing happened again in regard to a post about "Cold Fusion".
I truly believe this Overunity site is full of good people who want a better future for us all. However, i do wonder if it could be used by some very evil people for another purpose entirely.
And in case any of those people are reading this, i don't have a free energy device. I'm just investigating.
Well you slowly migrate to a forum/group that is serious about this stuff. It might be a closed group, but you need this while developing. Then when you are done you post a YT video with a schematic and captions for Hindi and Chinese. You need to send information packages to universities and to parties that will at least read well prepared material.
We use free energy every day. That is the only way it can be hidden. In plain sight. Why is it hidden? Well 5 trillion dollars per year helps in world domination a lot! You might want to keep it that way. Also when you control money&energy and its usage, you control this planet. That is why the super powers do not sign any climate treaties and other nations cut down their production. Because CO2 has between very little and zero affect in climate, but everything to do with energy usage.
That's easy just offer a $1,000,000 prize to anyone who can prove that it does not work. Every tom dick and harry will try to build it to win the prize. ???
Oh yes, post it here, the only way, and then no one will be interested. This forum is filled with things most of which have really nothing to do with overunity. Try to do a real research here, and it will be turned into nonsense, or replaced with nonsense, one may try to see how it happens.
Free energy what about it, the one percent already has it! If we look through history there are 'things' like the molded jigsaw puzzle walls that don't fit in this world since the great flood, that are all over the world, so there is proof a one-world government is must be self-destructive as they melted the polar ice caps at the end of the great ice age. If we don't get zero-point energy 'mucho pronto' the 1 percent will kill us all and themselves or do they have Mars to go to or the moon?
Wouldn't it be great if we had an alien device that could lock up 'guns' and other destructive weapons and made them FXXXXXXg useless? ;D
and DYSFUNCTIONAL just like them!
Oh yes, the free energy, there is no need for it, there is plenty of oil. But it's the human's natural desire to explore, we live for it. Something deeply human in it.
People, btw, not all are kind of governnment. It is like culture created, people go with it, work for it, people often with best intentions. Some others see it's ok, and use it for their benefit. It may be very difficult to differentiate.
Money is a commodity, wich isnt special.
Can billionnaires or high millionnaires really get an OU device even if they tried? I bet not.
You are more special when you have this and they dont. They will simply take you over and everybody will be gods I dont like that.
They are not worthy is such technologies, it must be provided to them as chicken feed is.
There's only one way to do it.
Release it free to everyone
In a way even a child could understand
So that anyone and everyone can build their own
Too bad the inventors didnt think like that.
And they couldnt have been all stopped.
And they already did as you said.
Papers, patents, etc...
So tha a genius kid can do it, maybe.
Was that their thinking? That they provided enough already?
I guess then the problem is just that people are too dumb to build it properly?
No inventor ever made a backup paper or usb key its sad but maybe theres a reason for it.
If there is the slightest chance that somebody had invented a "free energy device" it would be taken by the powers to be (whoever gets wind of it first, some secret service, some big multinational, some criminal organisation). And then there would be a long worldwide fight over it. The inventor or discoverer would disappear without a trace.
One can not give a "free energy device" to the public, because it would destroy the world. People would release uncontrollable amounts of energy for stupid or criminal purposes.
But do not fear, the nature of the universe does not allow a "free energy device". There are huge energy sources like a star (sun) or nuclear bombs, but they are not free. The energy put out by a star (sun) is free only in relation to the amount of time (miliards of years) it would be available, but it always needs some device to harvest the energy (like a photovoltaic cell). And this device is not free, it needs raw materials which will not be available for free, will be limited on earth, an need energy to be extracted and manufactured.
A "free energy device" is a silly proposition and it is pointless to speculate about how to make it available. But if you enjoy silly propositions, you will have endless fun to discuss them.
Examples: What to do if one lived thousands of years? What to do if one had 1 trillion Dollars? What to do if one had super powers (pick one or several super powers)?
Greetings, Conrad
toolocortex
QuoteAnd they already did as you said.
Papers, patents, etc...
So tha a genius kid can do it, maybe.
Was that their thinking? That they provided enough already?
I guess then the problem is just that people are too dumb to build it properly?
No inventor ever made a backup paper or usb key its sad but maybe theres a reason for it.
I don't think you understand the nature of the problem.
With vastly greater knowledge and understanding all the false beliefs and perceptions most people have become irrelevant. Wealth, power, lust, gluttony and greed become not only irrelevant but barbaric and something to be avoided. Thus nobody can buy this technology for the same reasons a monkey in the jungle cannot buy a Ferrari.
Understand it is not the FE inventors who are a problem it is the average person who cannot help but act on there own primitive animal instincts who are the problem. Ask yourself this, if an advanced being from another part of the universe came to visit what would you have to offer them of value?. You have nothing of value anymore than a monkey who just walked out of the jungle has anything to offer you. Would you try to teach the monkey all about humanity, economics and technology because you care deeply about monkeys?... well no that is absurd.
Understand the only real commodity of value in the universe is knowledge and understanding because with it anything is possible.
Let's do a thought experiment, suppose I understand and possess many free energy devices and know a few people who do as well. What do you have of value to offer in exchange for my knowledge?. However there is one caveat... I have no need for wealth or power because they are a barbaric road to intellectual and spiritual ruin, so what is it you have to offer me?. You see it is not my place to judge it is yours and if you find yourself wanting and in need your action is required not mine.
Regards
I for one, would try to teach the monkey.
My knowledge is free to any who would receive it.
Rats can drive cars, and better than many people that
we trust to occupy the roads with us.
I think it is a selfish think to hold such power over someone
and demand they give you something they cannot provide.
If you had infinite energy, you would have no need for any material thing.
Why then demand compensation?
If you gave it to them, they would be in a much better position to help you.
I guess we should just wait here quietly and wait untill the unnamed inventor teaches us.
I'm sure the reason he wont is because some goverment entity stopped him.
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 30, 2019, 11:23:45 PM
I guess we should just wait here quietly and wait until the unnamed inventor teaches us.
I'm sure the reason he won't is that some government 'entities' ;D stopped him. stands a chance.
Perhaps you should ask a government official how it's done or someone down the line like Dr. Steven Greer?
But then how long has it taken to 'learn' and get to where you are what about getting back to basics?
I'm sure if you went through youtube and some of the serious threads on here and experimented you might get somewhere'
It's like everything else it's about deceit and money and enslavement.
By the way where is all this stuff you were saying you had already invented your self ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well why not start with how nature does it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXj198vY4A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2gMuSL3X-ILng_R2RyruSfgnaMOY7W8DX9G698179iF-unnKCPiagFkf0
For the moment I am foraging through jibberish in order to get a grip on the physical winding of the TPU, aka Michel Meyer device.
And the idea that 3 frequencies in an automatic test bench when right, will produce OU due to the radiation of iron, wich is now the fuel input in wire form, wich is still cheap.
But I tell you, The Smoky2's of this forum dont make this easy as for every drawing there is like many minutes of wheel action.
I have a few pictures and a design, but still I dont have everybody's designs, and I am not sure of anybody.
Also, the material of the core has not been identified yet.
The Bruce_TPU video was my starting point and now searching for "inspiration".
I know that at some point, it will be me and the machine, the results, and that It will be lonely at the top and on the cutting edge.
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 31, 2019, 09:25:15 AM
For the moment I am foraging through jibberish in order to get a grip on the physical winding of the TPU, Michel Meyer device.
And the idea that 3 frequencies in an automatic test bench when right, will produce OU.
The Smoky2's of this forum dont make this easy as for every drawing there is like many minutes of wheel action.
I have a few pictures and a design, but still I dont have everybody's designs, and I am not sure of anybody.
You have to ask our Messiah, member Turbo!
He was the one who claimed that!
Where is he now?
He said to me, and if you don't believe, I will copy my personal message, that:
Michel Meyer is answer to free energy, and he got positive results, and that secret has to be delivered to world!
Lots of BS from Turbo, if you ask me!
After the BS of Michel Meyer device, he advanced with nuclear reactor BS, and so on and on...
Real truth, there is something in superpossition of signals, but not what dear Turbo served to peasants.
For superposition is enough 2 signals, but for producing that 2 signals you have input power.
After changing story for few times, dear member Turbo settled on nuclear reactor, which already exists.
A kid, full of dreams, trying to be something which he can not!
If you are lurking for free energy, try to make system which is narrow line.
It all starts with voltage, voltage forces equalization, electrons to flow.
If you can make source which provides voltage without current flow, you will succeed.
Otherwise, you can contact member Turbo, expert on 3 signals creation of Magic!
Please do so!
I have my own take and opinions and yes I am very aware of Turbo's postings. ;D
The machine will find the right combination whil e I go about daily life.
That is the ultimate goal of this, but the right initial condition is extremely important.
And, there is also the ability to multiply these efforts by my willingness to build hardware.
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 31, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
I have my own take and opinions and yes I am very aware of Turbo's postings. ;D
The machine will find the right combination whil e I go about daily life.
That is the ultimate goal of this, but the right initial condition is extremely important.
And, there is also the ability to multiply these efforts by my willingness to build hardware.
At least one straight answer!
I wish best in your search! You do that!
I mean this from my heart!
Wish you best, go and kill the beast!
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 31, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
I have my own take and opinions and yes I am very aware of Turbo's postings. ;D
The machine will find the right combination whil e I go about daily life.
That is the ultimate goal of this, but the right initial condition is extremely important.
And, there is also the ability to multiply these efforts by my willingness to build hardware.
Look at Kapanadze.
He don't know how to use scope, but he made 100 kW demonstration.
Sceptics will say: he cheated, pulled power from HV transmission lines!
OK!
But 100 kw?
Who is crazy? He, who made 100 kW device or people who claim he pulled it from transmission line few miles away?
But, the man does know how to read scope!
I was reading on this forum how Kapanadze fake 100 kW machine and how easy it is to pull that kind of power from 5 miles away, transmission lines.
I never saw or heard about anyone who pulled 100 kW from half of meter away, but he is fake!
OK!
The news is:
Kapanadze made deal with German fellow. He is still with him. The major owner 60% is Chinese fellow, so, you will all and me kissing Chinese boot and ass in future!
Was it worth it?
To ignore Kapanadze? For what price?
Do you think or anyone else that Chinese ass is sweet to kiss?
But you and I will kiss it a lot in future, because of arrogance!
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 31, 2019, 09:50:40 AM
I have my own take and opinions and yes I am very aware of Turbo's postings. ;D
The machine will find the right combination whil e I go about daily life.
That is the ultimate goal of this, but the right initial condition is extremely important.
And, there is also the ability to multiply these efforts by my willingness to build hardware.
I am asking myself, are you still believe that Simpsons are real news on TV?
Do you know who is your president?
What century you are living at?
Oo, man, time to wake up!
Is that so, still you can't believe everything you read on here 'can you'!
It's like that swamp gas junk the American kleptocracy's come up with to fob of guys who pretend to be skeptics off.
it would be far easier to discover the truth and use it than doing what you suggest here.
Raymondo
Yes it will be very lonely at the top.
My experimentation potential will be equivalent to thousands of you mongrels, while I sleep.
I'll see you later, from the POV of the king of the mountain.
Quote from: Toolofcortex on December 31, 2019, 11:01:59 AM
Yes it will be very lonely at the top.
My experimentation potential will be equivalent to thousands of you mongrels, while I sleep.
I'll see you later, from the POV of the king of the mountain.
Dream on comedian.
This depends on the:
Complexity of the process.
Costs of replicating the process.
Happy New year to all.