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Title: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Semi on January 19, 2022, 06:19:02 PM
Dear fellow Researchers,

after almost one year, I've managed to get my hands on a much higher
resolution (almost 4K), of the UFA-Wochenschau 498/1966 - 08.02.1966
The Bundesarchive is providing only 640x480 to the public .

I've purchased an user lincense to continue my
private Research-Study about Mr. Friedrich Lüling, his Motors and its feasibility.
By preserving the Copyrights from the Bundesarchive, I am permitted to share my
results with the public. I am inviting you to join me in this project.

Proudly I can present you:  Secrets of Friedrich Lüling (https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/)

Contributing
As soon as you start watching the 4K Footage, you will probably find new
Details you've never noticed before. Combined with provided Frames from that
Footage, you will dive deeper and deeper into the Magnet Engines of Mr. Lüling.

If you find something you would like to add, please consider opening a new Issue (https://github.com/s-em-i/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/issues)
on GitHub, or posting into this thread. The same thing applies If you've found
an issue of the already provided secrets or answers. In any case, please back-up your claims
with sufficient details and evidence, such as Frames, Historical Data or other comprehensible sources.

During the Research, we've (Ufopolitics and I) found our common ground in the veracity
of this massive, overwhelming new set of data. There are some discoveries, which we are still
digesting and need to review. Hence the GitHub Page is not complete yet and will be updated bit by bit.

Very special thanks at this point to Ufopolitics. Thank you for rendering this ton of video data
and keeping your endurance and calm, while explaining to me, listening from me, get proved wrong
from me and proved me wrong.

Cheers
Semi
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: hartiberlin on January 23, 2022, 10:46:37 AM
Hi, the right link is at:
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 23, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Hello Semi, Hello Stefan!!

Here is the Link to the UHD 4K Video of Lüling from 1966:

LÜLING 4K UHD  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0)


There are Subtitles in German, English, Spanish, Portuguese...
I am waiting for the French and Italian sub texts...
However, if someone is interested in helping Us to add more Languages, please ask me for the Text Sub and I will post it here in the Language that you can read from above languages...in order to add translations.


Thanks much to Semi, for his great contribution on getting this Files from the 35mm celluloid from Bundesarchive in Germany!!


Regards to all


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: magnetneutralisierung on October 05, 2022, 05:43:59 AM
Habe die Ehre, Forum

Danke an das Universum, dass es euch gibt.
Geborene Genies handeln aus dem Herzen, erzogene Genies handeln aus Interesse.
Der Staub der Zeit wird das erzogene Genie begraben,
das geborene Genie wird von der Menschheit anerkannt und durch das Licht des Wissens am Leben erhalten.
Soviel zu meiner Sichtweise, die auch als Vorstellung meiner Wenigkeit dienen soll.

Zum Thema

(ich benütze die deutsche Sprache, weil es die Sprache Herrn Lülings ist, SCHLÜSSELWORTE/SÄTZE, werden dadurch zielführend, das ,,Geheimnis" (Mangel an Wissen) zu lösen.)
auch einen besonderen Dank an den Menschen der sich die Mühe gemacht hat, das Filmmaterial, mit hoher Auflösung zu digitalisieren, und zielführende Einzelbilder erstellt hat.

Worin besteht unser Mangel an Wissen, welcher ist der Schlüsselsatz, den uns Herr Lüling schenkt?
(schließlich musste Herr Lüling bei der Vorstellung, auch wissenschaftlich, liefern)
nun, Herr Lüling Originalton:
,,Es ist mir, entgegen aller herkömmlichen Kenntnisse über den Dauermagneten, schon 1954 gelungen, Dauermagnete zu neutralisieren."

Fangfrage
worin besteht die Lüling Dauermagnet Neutralisierung?
Genau,
in einer mechanischen ABSCHIRMUNG der Dauermagnete,
--original Ton Herr Lüling:
,,kurz vor dem Punkt wo er ihn (Anker) festhalten will, im selben Augenblick setzt die Neutralisierung der Magneten ein,
sodass der Anker ohne jegliche Rückzugkraft, ohne jeglichen Restmagnetismus, sich herausdreht.

Für den Wissenden ist die mechanische Neutralisierung der zwei befestigten Dauermagnete KLAR zu sehen,
der ANDERE, zieht DEN Dauermagnet zwecks einer Neutralisierung, mechanisch zurück. :)

Fast hätte ich es vergessen,
das geborene Genie, stellt IMMER, ALLES infrage

viele Grüße

magnetneutralisierung
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: RhineX on October 15, 2022, 04:22:21 AM
Hello, everyone

Maybe Herbert R. gave some explanations on his youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivymY_ow5Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTpukBanHYk

Cheers
RhineX
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Semi on October 15, 2022, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: RhineX on October 15, 2022, 04:22:21 AM
Hello, everyone

Maybe Herbert R. gave some explanations on his youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivymY_ow5Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTpukBanHYk

Cheers
RhineX

Thank you RhineX,
even Manfred Klug agreed with him.

Cheers
Semi
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 15, 2022, 09:25:03 PM
There was a PCB board with a magnetic rotor
(the one with the small rotating magnets on the corners)
Was supposed to operate by the same principle Lulling is stating.
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Ufopolitics on October 18, 2022, 09:16:40 AM
Quote from: magnetneutralisierung on October 05, 2022, 05:43:59 AM
Habe die Ehre, Forum

Danke an das Universum, dass es euch gibt.
Geborene Genies handeln aus dem Herzen, erzogene Genies handeln aus Interesse.
Der Staub der Zeit wird das erzogene Genie begraben,
das geborene Genie wird von der Menschheit anerkannt und durch das Licht des Wissens am Leben erhalten.
Soviel zu meiner Sichtweise, die auch als Vorstellung meiner Wenigkeit dienen soll.

Zum Thema

(ich benütze die deutsche Sprache, weil es die Sprache Herrn Lülings ist, SCHLÜSSELWORTE/SÄTZE, werden dadurch zielführend, das ,,Geheimnis" (Mangel an Wissen) zu lösen.)
auch einen besonderen Dank an den Menschen der sich die Mühe gemacht hat, das Filmmaterial, mit hoher Auflösung zu digitalisieren, und zielführende Einzelbilder erstellt hat.

Worin besteht unser Mangel an Wissen, welcher ist der Schlüsselsatz, den uns Herr Lüling schenkt?
(schließlich musste Herr Lüling bei der Vorstellung, auch wissenschaftlich, liefern)
nun, Herr Lüling Originalton:
,,Es ist mir, entgegen aller herkömmlichen Kenntnisse über den Dauermagneten, schon 1954 gelungen, Dauermagnete zu neutralisieren."

Fangfrage
worin besteht die Lüling Dauermagnet Neutralisierung?
Genau,
in einer mechanischen ABSCHIRMUNG der Dauermagnete,
--original Ton Herr Lüling:
,,kurz vor dem Punkt wo er ihn (Anker) festhalten will, im selben Augenblick setzt die Neutralisierung der Magneten ein,
sodass der Anker ohne jegliche Rückzugkraft, ohne jeglichen Restmagnetismus, sich herausdreht.

Für den Wissenden ist die mechanische Neutralisierung der zwei befestigten Dauermagnete KLAR zu sehen,
der ANDERE, zieht DEN Dauermagnet zwecks einer Neutralisierung, mechanisch zurück. :)

Fast hätte ich es vergessen,
das geborene Genie, stellt IMMER, ALLES infrage

viele Grüße

magnetneutralisierung


Hello,

If someone here could translate his post...would be great.

Thks in advance

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: truesearch on October 18, 2022, 11:04:27 AM
The following is not very good as it is just a verbatim copy&paste of Google's automatic translation. But it does offer just abit of info:


Quote
Have the honor of forum


Thank you to the universe for being you.
Born geniuses act from the heart, bred geniuses act from interest.
The dust of time will bury the bred genius,
the born genius is recognized by humanity and kept alive by the light of knowledge.
So much for my point of view, which should also serve as an introduction to your humble self.


On the subject


(I use the German language, because it is the language of Mr. Lüling, KEYWORDS/PHRASES, become expedient to solve the "mystery" (lack of knowledge).)
also a special thank you to the people who took the trouble to digitize the film material with high resolution and created targeted individual images.


What is our lack of knowledge, what is the key sentence that Mr. Lüling gives us?
(After all, Mr. Lüling had to deliver at the presentation, also scientifically)
well, Herr Lüling original sound:
"Contrary to all conventional knowledge about permanent magnets, I succeeded in neutralizing permanent magnets as early as 1954."


trick question
What is the Lüling permanent magnet neutralization?
Exactly,
in a mechanical SHIELD of the permanent magnets,
--original sound Mr. Lüling:
"just before the point where he wants to hold it (anchor), at the same moment the neutralization of the magnets begins,
so that the armature turns out without any retraction force, without any residual magnetism.


For those in the know, the mechanical neutralization of the two attached permanent magnets is CLEAR to see,
the OTHER mechanically pulls back THE permanent magnet for neutralization. :)


I almost forgot,
the born genius, ALWAYS, questions EVERYTHING


Best regards


magnet neutralization

It would be helpful to have a German speaker who is fluent in both German and English do a REAL translation. . .
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Ufopolitics on October 18, 2022, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: RhineX on October 15, 2022, 04:22:21 AM
Hello, everyone

Maybe Herbert R. gave some explanations on his youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivymY_ow5Gk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivymY_ow5Gk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTpukBanHYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTpukBanHYk)

Cheers
RhineX

Hello,

In my view, both videos are just a lot of talk...and no action.
Like we say in English-American..."no meat here"
We can never obtain Mechanical Magnetic Forces Neutralization by having magnets set only on one side of the model.

@Truesearch: Thks for your google translation, is enough to understand it.

And I agree with Member: magnetneutralisierung, as it is basically all about reaching a Mechanical Neutralization point with magnets, then turning OFF Neutralization at the right angles, allowing for the release of forces on the other side, whether attraction or repulsion...I mean, the principle is very basic to understand.

I am working now on a completely new model, based on same principle, except, I am turning On-Off Neutralization at the rotor, NOT at stator like I did before.
And it will be a "self runner"... ;)

I ordered some magnets and working on the required plexiglass sheets.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: truesearch on October 18, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
@Ufopolitics:

QuoteAnd it will be a "self runner"...

Now you have us waiting on the edge of our proverbial seats. . .  8)

I respect your years of effort on this rabbit trail of free energy. And looking forward to what you have to share!

truesearch
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Semi on October 19, 2022, 07:30:12 AM
Quote from: Ufopolitics on October 18, 2022, 11:21:13 AM
Hello,

In my view, both videos are just a lot of talk...and no action.
Like we say in English-American..."no meat here"
We can never obtain Mechanical Magnetic Forces Neutralization by having magnets set only on one side of the model.

@Truesearch: Thks for your google translation, is enough to understand it.

And I agree with Member: magnetneutralisierung, as it is basically all about reaching a Mechanical Neutralization point with magnets, then turning OFF Neutralization at the right angles, allowing for the release of forces on the other side, whether attraction or repulsion...I mean, the principle is very basic to understand.

I am working now on a completely new model, based on same principle, except, I am turning On-Off Neutralization at the rotor, NOT at stator like I did before.
And it will be a "self runner"... ;)

I ordered some magnets and working on the required plexiglass sheets.

Regards

Ufopolitics

Hey Ufo,
good to hear from you.

Yeah, there was nothing new, neither from both of it. The one with no meat and the other is basically just pointing out that he gets it, that he truly gets it and
others don't. Also, he begins with how great he is, patting himself on the back and smearing some honey around your mouth regarding your work on the 4K footage.
He also implies, that something spoken out in front of a camera is the truth, and nothing but the truth.
It wasn't really worth to translate it...

So you've abandoned already your RMF Project? How is that?

Cheers
Semi
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Ufopolitics on October 19, 2022, 09:09:42 AM
Quote from: Semi on October 19, 2022, 07:30:12 AM
Hey Ufo,
good to hear from you.

Hey Semi,
Thanks, same here, good to hear from you.

Quote from: Semi on October 19, 2022, 07:30:12 AM
So you've abandoned already your RMF Project? How is that?

Cheers
Semi

Never, I always exhaust all possibilities before I abandon any project!!...and then, I may even "revive it" after a long while, just because I had a new idea.

Like has happened to my Lüling Project and his Principle, which are very special for me (I guess for you too)...that I had been working on for very long, as dedicated thousands of hours.
So, I came with this new idea now about it...just rethinking how a typical combustion engine works...basically that on the main rotor is where all pistons are attached through a Crankshaft...setting a timming to ignite, then propulse rotor.
It requires a lot more machining plus precision in the making, than a single moving stator magnet...but I believe it will be worth it.
So, I am getting all materials first to build it, while working on the CAD, first 2D...then 3D Animated.

The RMF project is on "standby" for the moment as I am also getting some materials and equipment to work on it...

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: magnetneutralisierung on October 19, 2022, 05:13:55 PM

Habe die Ehre

Primitive sinnlose Kommentare führen, NICHT, zu der Lösung des Problems.
FAKTEN, KLARE KOMPETENTE, selbst erforschte Resultate,
Kenntnisse über die maximale Sättigung Möglichkeit, der Rotor Platten aus Fe 99,9 %.
NACH der Abstoßung, die Möglichkeit einer maximalen Entmagnetisierung der Rotor Platten.
DAS ist DAS FLEISCH, aus dem der Lüling Motor besteht und FUNKTIONIERT.
. Weicheisen, Fe 99,9 %, Magnetisieren, Abstoßen, Entmagnetisieren..... ∞

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

magnetneutralisierung

Post Skriptum. Die Neutralisierung der Rotor Platten geschieht leider im 5 bis 6 Uhr Bereich, DAS hat Lüling NICHT filmen lassen. :)
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: truesearch on October 19, 2022, 06:17:16 PM
And if what that above is in "automatic" English:


Quote
Have the honor


Primitive meaningless comments do NOT lead to solving the problem.
FACTS, CLEAR COMPETENT, self-researched results,
Knowledge of the maximum saturation possibility of the rotor plates of Fe 99.9%.
AFTER the repulsion, the possibility of maximum demagnetization of the rotor plates.
THIS is THE FLESH that the Lüling Motor is made of and WORKS.
. Soft iron, Fe 99.9%, magnetizing, repelling, demagnetizing..... ∞


Kind regards


magnet neutralization


Postscript. Unfortunately, the neutralization of the rotor plates happens in the 5 to 6 o'clock area, Lüling DID NOT have that filmed.
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: magnetneutralisierung on October 19, 2022, 07:19:33 PM
Lieber Herr @truesearch

In Demut bitte ich um Verzeihung.
Ich benutze meine Muttersprache, weil ich in dieser denke.
DADURCH, kann ich subtil, dem wissenden Botschaften, Tipps, übermitteln.
In meiner Jugend habe ich Griechisch, Italienisch gelernt, um Homer, Sokrates, Tacitus zu studieren, nicht nur um diese zu lesen.
Ich wollte die Botschaften zwischen den Zeilen herausfinden und verstehen lernen.
Wie auch immer, wenn es erwünscht ist, dass ich mich zurückziehe, Ihr Wille geschehe.

Viele Grüße

Überstzung:

Dear Mr. @truesearch

I humbly ask your forgiveness.
I use my mother tongue because I think in it.
THUS, I can subtly convey messages and tips to the knowing.
In my youth I learned Greek, Italian to study Homer, Socrates, Tacitus, not just to read them.
I wanted to find out and learn to understand the messages between the lines.
However, if it is desired that I retire, your will be done.

Many greetings
------------------------------------------------

In der Übersetzung ist die ,,subtile" Botschaft an Sie, verschwunden. :)

Zum Beispiel:

!!! Herbert R, stellt seine Vorstellung zu dem Lüling Magnetmotor sehr einfach, fast naiv vor, dabei stellt Herr R, fast 50 % des Lüling Prinzips leider ,,verschlüsselt" vor.
Nun, ja, vielleicht kann der Wissende, ableiten,
vielleicht hat Herr R. ohne jede Absicht seine Vorstellung des Lüling Magnetmotors auf seine Art vorgestellt. Ich weiß es nicht.

in the translation, the "subtle" message has disappeared. :)
For example:
!!! Herbert R presents his idea of the Lüling Magnet Motor in a very simple, almost naive manner, while Mr R unfortunately presents almost 50% of the Lüling principle as "encrypted".
Well, yes, perhaps the Knower can deduce
Perhaps Mr. R. presented his idea of the Lüling Magnet Motor in his own way without any intention. I dont know

--------------------

Maybe reply me with a private message,
this saves the members of the forum an off-topic post

Many greetings

magnetneutralisation
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Semi on October 20, 2022, 02:44:27 AM
Dear magnetneutralisierung,

thank you for your ambitions to contribute here on that matter, very much appreciated.
In order to keep the level of litter to a minimum, Ufo and I pointed out some rules in the first post
of this thread. Just as a friendly reminder:
1st.
Please stick to the common language here, which is English.
If you are more comfortable in German, please don't hesitate to write me in a "private" matter.
2nd.
This is not a Chat or Claim without back-up thread. They are plenty of other threads here you can use for that.
If you found something out, about Mr Lüling himself, or his work, please describe your issue in detail, and above all,
show some evidence. This could be based on the 4K footage, or even your own work.

One more thing, it seems like you are new to this forum, same as me. Ufo is some kind of top dog here, so
my advice to you, study his groundbreaking work and research first. A very good entry point is
LÜLING MAGNET MOTOR, REVEALED & BUILT SUCCESSFULLY_PART 1 (http://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM")

If you still think you can add something new to the
Secrets of Friedrich Lüling, you are more than welcome here to present it.
Ufo and I are looking forward to evaluating it.

Best regards
Semi
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: skywatcher on October 22, 2022, 05:58:00 PM
My native language also is German, so maybe i understood what the hidden meaning of what magnetneutralisierung wanted to tell us (but i'm not sure):

Maybe it works like this: The rotor has to be soft iron, which can not permanently be magnetized. A magnet is attracting the soft iron, and as it is attracted it's temporarily magnetized. Then the magnet is flipped, which will repel the magnetized iron. If the flipping of the magnet is done fast enough and with the right timing, the soft iron will not be magnetized in the other direction fast enough, so it will be repelled before it will reverse its direction of magnetization.
(this is what comes to my mind after reading his posts, maybe it's BS, but maybe not...)
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: RhineX on October 22, 2022, 07:42:14 PM
new toy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_V2aNrblHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhqkRsv0n78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCjCazDIhO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqrhZ9SpQ9Q
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: rstergar on October 23, 2022, 04:18:14 AM
Hi everyone,

Great work RhineX!

I make animation for you which you shoud try: https://youtu.be/iyOAK90-o1o (https://youtu.be/iyOAK90-o1o)

Gear ratio is 1:2

Rotor is cut at 90degrees.

The bar magnet is diametrically magnetized, because the attraction force is stronger that way.

Please try and let me know how did it go ;)

Best regards from Slovenia
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: rstergar on October 23, 2022, 01:09:55 PM
I create quick update on idea how maybe this can work...

https://youtu.be/HxX__JpcHbM (https://youtu.be/HxX__JpcHbM)

best regards
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: RhineX on November 14, 2022, 12:40:17 AM
Hello,Herbert R.先生跟我们带来了最新作品~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YvCW4_so8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YvCW4_so8)


Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Ufopolitics on November 16, 2022, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: RhineX on November 14, 2022, 12:40:17 AM
Hello,Herbert R.先生跟我们带来了最新作品~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YvCW4_so8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YvCW4_so8)

Hello to all,

As I have said before, and many times by now...you could build a plain steel moving rotor, slow speed, very weak and low torque...by dragging a fully steel rotor surrounded by pivoting magnets...However, it would never have the strength, or the speed required to do any real motor work.
It is a very nicely built machine...but still categorized as a "magnetic toy".
Notice how he stop it with a smooth approach from his hand.
The same thing (principle of rotating a plain steel rotor) was already shown by Manfred Klug.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: dom444 on February 14, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Thank you semi for your information just came across it I have been away for quite a while now but the clear videos have given me more insight into his motor,  my original theory still stands but arrangement is different from what i can see now.
the biggest question mark i have is he is using 4x short stroke hydraulic rams to control the magnet canceling arms you can see the four solenoid valves and one operating ram, is the pump external or run by the motor itself? where is he getting the power to run the solenoids and timing circuit?
i think there are two magnets each side of a steel block with two flat plates top and bottom retracting by the canceling arms depending on rotation direction.
and i suspect the magnets are orientated north and south facing up and down not facing the rotor plates as i originally thought that gives better canceling and more magnetic pull as the rotor plates approach.
Title: Re: Secrets of Friedrich Lüling
Post by: Dog-One on February 15, 2023, 02:43:03 AM
Quote from: dom444 on February 14, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
where is he getting the power to run the solenoids and timing circuit?

In the Closed Captioning he mentions a six volt external power source.
He also mentions the solenoid becomes quite warm, which indicates to
me there is more than a few milliamps required to drive it.