Hi,
I want to share a concept for new type of renewable energy generator. The source of energy is mass present in space, mass responsible for the so called "Dark Matter". This device will convert this mass into energy by creating spiral shaped electromagnetic field.
It is fairly simple to build, and I encourage anyone who has some skills with building electro-mechanical devices to build it. Or anyone who want to test it and have some fun.
It should work on any scale, so building even small device, just to prove the concept, should be enough.
I also encourage everyone for discussion and posting questions. I will explain everything as we go.
I will attach presentation PDF file. Presentation explains in more detail concept behind the generator and basic setup of its crucial components. The rest is up to the builders imagination.
As I said, I encourage everyone for discussion.
Hi,
This is an updated version of the presentation. This one also explains briefly how UFO's work, where does they get energy from and how they are able to cancel their mass.
Can you attach a picture with your device ? As I can guess you already built few
I've tried to build few versions of this generator, one with rotor and one as a modified Tesla coil, but I lack some technical skills to finish it. I can post some pictures of what I've made so far, if you want. The tesla version. I don't have pictures of previous version. Just give me a day or so.
I always like seeing ideas based on nature, spirals, and the Golden Ratio (Phi). This does look like it would not be too difficult to build. Thanks for sharing.
Here is something that may be related although it looks more complex. Attached patent appliction for Dark Matter motor / generator
Yes, it does look a bit more complex. Device in my presentation should be easier to built. It can be even built as Tesla coil with little modification and there is a lot of people who know how to build Tesla coil.
Phi(1.618 and 0.618) is also a harmonic number and it can be applied to this concept. The reason I use 6/5 harmonic is because it is smaller and device will have smaller diameter. Even with this harmonic with eight steps (wavelength * 1.2^7)^2 it should produce about 12 times more energy on the output.
Interested in seeing your setup, MGsid
Glad to hear that. Tomorrow I'll try to post some pictures.
Ok. This is what I've made so far. As I've said, it is just modified Tesla coil. The difference is primary coil which is made out of 9 rings with 6/5 harmonic relation to each other. This will give (wavelength * 1.2^8)^2
The plan was to use two coils for energy generation. One above and one below primary coil. The upper was meant for feedback loop and lower for useful energy, but I was unable to create feedback loop. The reason, I think, was that I've tuned the secondary to primary frequency (751 kHz) and it should be tuned to primary * 1.2^8 which is the frequency of the field in the center. This gives me about 3.23 MHz
If I was to do this again, I would use one tripole coil tuned to 3.3 MHz and tried to create feedback from there.
The HV transformer that powers primary is about 200 W and with this setup (wavelength * 1.2^8)^2 there should be around 3 kW in the center.
Nice work
You may find something useful in patents of Arie Melis deGeus 1033157, 1032759 and 1030697
QuoteRemark
Converting the inexhaustible energy of the free space, which is also referred to as' vacuum' energy into usable electrical energy is now in the early 21st century the most important scientific research purpose. This patent application only relates to a description of a basic principle and a single basic type of device.
Multiple patent applications will follow with fairly high speed, as various technologies are not only identified but are applied without public knowledge.
Despite the fact that working devices already exsist, which can be established by the Patent Authorities, as well as in Washington, as well as in Munich can be shown to examnisation on the functioning, patent applications in these cities about this most important subject hitherto are ignored or denied. The reason which is released in the U.S., both as in Europe: "Not explainable with the current state of knowledge in Physics"!
@marcosbk
Thanks! :)
@adrouk
Thanks for info. Maybe I'll go thru it in some free time.
Quote"Not explainable with the current state of knowledge in Physics"
This is exactly the reason why you can't patent any free energy device. Although they know that our understanding of Physics is incomplete.
I am 100% certain, that this device will tap to this inexhaustible source of energy, which is the mass of free space. It just must be built correctly.
@MGsid
Very nice build!! I appreciate your thinking and efforts.
Question:
In your PDF the "centric/rings" are drawn out sort of star-shaped and in your photo you have them octagon shaped. . . Why the difference?
truesearch
@truesearch
Thanks very much!
About your question, is that star shape isn't necessary if there is no rotor with magnets. Star shape is needed for magnets to better induce currents in the coil. When you power it directly there is up to you what shape you will make. It can even be a triangle or something else.
What is important, though, is you have to make it using harmonic proportions, in this case 6/5 harmonic with 8-9 steps, or 7/6 harmonic with 13 steps. This will multiply wavelength harmonically and create spiral shaped EM field with energy gain in the center.
Hope this answers your question.
Quote from: MGsid on September 13, 2023, 06:57:25 AM
@marcosbk
Thanks! :)
@adrouk
Thanks for info. Maybe I'll go thru it in some free time.
This is exactly the reason why you can't patent any free energy device. Although they know that our understanding of Physics is incomplete.
I am 100% certain, that this device will tap to this inexhaustible source of energy, which is the mass of free space. It just must be built correctly.
Wrong !
Their understanding is incomplete, but patent office aren't supposed to be the judge, they only need to grant patent if there isn't any prior art ... those who may judge are those in mainstream science and most of them are in the pocket of gangsters
And this is the reason why we are stuck with +100 years old tech and still burning things to warm up houses or for transport.
And we need to make a concerted effort to overthrow them by any mean as they do.
That's why they murdered Arie deGeus and I don't give a heck on whatever findings have some other gangsters from authorities side are telling us.
If you can make 1 device work, raise your effort and build another 10, sell them at the cost of materials plus your work, write instructions and part list and spread them as fast as you can as far away as you can, once they are working in other places publish your findings if you wish.
In Arie deGeus patents you can find almost all what's needed, download them while you can, make digital and hard copies.
@adrouk
I totally agree with you. By saying "our understanding is incomplete" I meant all of humanity - mainly mainstream scientists. What can be patented is based on their understanding, which is incomplete.
And corruption in scientific community is obvious, but we can't do much about it. We don't have the funds and media to expose them. But this is whole another story.
MGsid, thank you for sharing your pictures and additional information and ratios.
Much appreciated!
Curious, where did you pull the math from, or was this math determined via experience?
MGsid，Thanks for sharing！
What is the size of the coil ?
@ovun987
I'm very happy to help! I believe that together we can build this device properly. On my own it is quite difficult.
When it comes to math, this concept of the device and equations was given to me by a very credible source, therefore I know that this device will work. It just has to be build correctly.
Unfortunately, at this moment I can't disclose who this person was, but I can assure you that he really knew what he was talking about.
@panyuming
The size of the coil is about 35 cm. Just like in your drawing. But it can be any reasonable size. The thing is, the smaller the coil the more difficult it is to maintain precision, which is quite important. A good rule of thumb will be 35-50 cm in diameter.
And you can build it with 8 rings. 9 is unnecessary. I've made it this way because there was room for 9, but 8 is enough.
You can also make this coil with more turns per ring, lets say 10 on the outer ring, 9 on the second and so on. The field in the center should be stronger this way. But this is up to you.
What I've tested with one turn per ring, is that I've had decent voltage on secondary.
Quote from: MGsid on September 16, 2023, 08:17:35 AM
@panyuming
The size of the coil is about 35 cm. Just like in your drawing. But it can be any reasonable size. The thing is, the smaller the coil the more difficult it is to maintain precision, which is quite important. A good rule of thumb will be 35-50 cm in diameter.
And you can build with 8 rings. 9 is unnecessary. I've maid it this way because there was room for 9, but 8 is enough.
MGsid
Thank you!
Is it smoother to use spiral wires for coils?
@panyuming
Your Welcome!
I'm not sure about making it a spiral. Theoretically this should work, but you will have to make it, so that there is at least 8 rings in the spiral. You can try it. In theory this should work.
And spiral also should be based on harmonic proportions, 6/5 or 7/6 which can be a bit difficult to make. But you can make it this way and we can see if it works.
MGsid，Thanks for the guidance!
It may be that the current flowing through the spiral coil will be smoother.
This requires a CNC machine to cut out the coil groove, Then is easy to make.
So, your 8-dash or 12-dash line is easy to make.
Quote from: MGsid on September 16, 2023, 08:17:35 AM
@panyuming
You can also make this coil with more turns per ring, lets say 10 on the outer ring, 9 on the second and so on. The field in the center should be stronger this way. But this is up to you.
And spiral also should be based on harmonic proportions, 6/5 or 7/6 which can be a bit difficult to make. But you can make it this way and we can see if it works.
I didn't understand what you mean by 6/5, 7/6. :'(
@panyuming
QuoteIt may be that the current flowing through the spiral coil will be smoother.
This requires a CNC machine to cut out the coil groove, Then is easy to make.
So, your 8-dash or 12-dash line is easy to make.
If you gonna make it with CNC then go with round spiral (second drawing). Hexagonal don't look good and there might not be harmonic proportions.
But basically, this round one should work.
QuoteI didn't understand what you mean by 6/5, 7/6. :'(
6/5 and 7/6 are harmonics. These harmonic ratios should be used to create coil, 6/5 harmonic with 8 rings, or 7/6 harmonic with 13 rings. It is basically the ratio of one ring to another.
Device that I've made is using 6/5 harmonic with 9 rings (can be 8 ).
MGsid，Thanks for the guidance!
The dimensions below may be smooth. Outer ring diameter = 516mm. Total length approx=7191mm
I also want to ask: which of the various primary coils is better and what method can be used to measure them?
Your welcome! I appreciate that you want to build this device!
QuoteI also want to ask: which of the various primary coils is better and what method can be used to measure them?
Both coils should give similar results, but to keep it simple, stay with 6/5 harmonic with 8 rings.
I'm not sure what you mean by "method to measure them". If you refer to how much energy it will produce, then you can use formula for energy in the center of spiral from PDF file I've attached in second post.
Hope this answers your question.
QuoteThe dimensions below may be smooth. Outer ring diameter = 516mm. Total length approx=7191mm
This coil should be fine. It looks good and has 6/5 harmonic proportions, so should be good.
@panyuming
Post some pictures if you make this coil. I'm curious how it turned out!
Quote from: MGsid on September 22, 2023, 04:36:28 AM
@panyuming
Post some pictures if you make this coil. I'm curious how it turned out!
Oh, I haven't done it yet, I'm afraid I'll be the same as I used to do Tesla coils, and I won't see the effect of OU.
@panyuming
It will work! There will be effect of OU because you will have higher frequency in the center. Regular tesla coil secondary is tuned to primary circuit frequency, and with this coil you will have primary * 1.2^8 Hz. This higher frequency in the center will give you OU effect.
Just curious, how much WATT real power can be achieved?
It will depend on primary input power, harmonic used and the number of times wavelength is multiplied. In device that I've made the input power is 200 W and wavelength is multiplied 8 times with 6/5 harmonic, so I can expect 200 W * (1.2^8)^2 so around 3500 W. Given that primary is not perfectly made, there should be around 3 kW in the center.
You can calculate energy in the center using formula from the presentation that I've attached in second post. Just put some random numbers and calculate energy with and without multiplying wavelength and see the difference.
@ MGsid,
Thank You for your reply.
Can You tell me the required Input and Output Voltage?
Is the Output of ca. 3 Kw of useable power?
Quote from: MGsid on September 28, 2023, 05:29:11 AM
It will depend on primary input power, harmonic used and the number of times wavelength is multiplied. In device that I've made the input power is 200 W and wavelength is multiplied 8 times with 6/5 harmonic, so I can expect 200 W * (1.2^8)^2 so around 3500 W. Given that primary is not perfectly made, there should be around 3 kW in the center.
You can calculate energy in the center using formula from the presentation that I've attached in second post. Just put some random numbers and calculate energy with and without multiplying wavelength and see the difference.
Do you have oscilloscope shots? Are you sure you are not talking about reactive power?
@kampen
Your welcome!
QuoteCan You tell me the required Input and Output Voltage?
Input and output voltage isn't that important and it is up to your design. I have input voltage on primary 9 kV. This is the output of HV transformer.
Output voltage will depend how many turns you will have on secondary tripole coil. What I'm testing now, is that I should have about 1 kV output voltage.
If you want to test it for OU, keep output voltage below 1 kV. It is easier to work with.
But as I've said, it depends on your preferences and design.
QuoteIs the Output of ca. 3 Kw of useable power?
Yes, it is usable power. You can use it to power devices or to create feedback loop, or both.
@Frederik2k1
QuoteDo you have oscilloscope shots? Are you sure you are not talking about reactive power?
Sorry, I don't have oscilloscope. 3500W is calculated power that can be generated in the center. How much of that will be reactive power will depend on the power factor in your secondary circuit and it can be improved if necessary.
We do not need to over complicate, this is a simple concept.
@ MGsid,Thank You for your reply.
Sent you a PM, please check.
Can You make and show us a schematic/diagram of your components setup?
@MGsid
with all these ratios you propose here I would expect that there should also be a ratio between primary and secondary. I do not believe
that you simply can use any kind of secondary because secondaries can be designed as Lamda/2 or Lamda/4, and Lamda 3/4 wavelength
So with all the harmonics which you claim here what wavelength you would tune into ? which one to choose ?
There are a lot of issues to be taken in consideration : ...magnetic-coupling factor, mutual inductance ...and in addition we have the most important factor which is the top-capacitance for example or the coil-capacitance. The secondary can also be regarded as a transmission line...etc
Engineering Analysis The heart of the apparatus used in this project is what is commonly called a "Resonance Transformer." The term was first used in an accelerator context by David Sloan, at Berkeley in the 1930's, to describe a distiibuted (RF transmission line) resonator. (By the way, Sloan published 2 the astonishing remark that resonance transformers "cannot be treated usefully by mathematics"!) It fascinating to note that Sloan's work was actually predated by the earlier work of Nikola Tesla. Sloan mistakenly identified "Tesla Coils" as lumped tuned resonators. The distributed resonance transformers used by Sloan were actually patented by Tesla in the mid-1890's. This distinction has, apparently, gone unnoticed by Western researchers. Recently, Tesla's approach to high power RF power processing has enjoyed renewed interest, particularly in Russian laboratories. During 1990, Tesla transformer technology was identified by a contingent of US pulse power scientists as an area of Soviet excellence and exceptional capability.
Source:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA282289.pdf (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA282289.pdf)
So what does your secret source has to offer concerning these issues ?
Regards
Mike
@Kator01
QuoteSo with all the harmonics which you claim here what wavelength you would tune into ? which one to choose ?
I would chose primary harmonic wavelength. This build is difficult enough so what is the point of tuning secondary to other harmonics and making it even more difficult.
I understand, that there is a lot of nuances involving Tesla coils, but this device does not have to be built as Tesla coil. I've chosen this option because it was easier for me than building version with rotor.
Tuning secondary is the most difficult part in this built and it requires a lot of testing. This concept may be simple, but building device properly is not.
@kampen
QuoteCan You make and show us a schematic/diagram of your components setup?
Sure. This is standard schematic for Tesla coil, but it will probably still change, as work is in progress.
@ MGsid,Thank You for your reply.
MDsid,
QuoteTuning secondary is the most difficult part in this built and it requires a lot of testing. This concept may be simple, but building device properly is not.Quote
So you are confirming what I said, and again : why does your secret person "in the know" did not deliver knowlede about this most important process ?
This creates the suspicion in me that this person does not know it himself, or this person does not exist.
It is the usual game, to present incomplete ideas to wait and see if there might be someone in this forum who will sacrifice his time to find out what the alleged "person in the know" does not know himself. The term for this is "outsourced test bench", without payment.
I assume the pictures you present are legit and show your work...but then...think about what I have said in the above paragraph.
I - for myself- see no particular reason to develop and test an incomplete idea for an "unknown" person or institution.
Information on such complex systems should be as complete as possible
Anyway I wish you success in your endaveour
Mike
Mike, you're going to be right in that assumption a lot of the times.
It's however statistically impossible for it to be the case for every OP, every single time.
You can gain contentment from dismissing every incomplete proposal, that you were alert to this common phenomenon, and called it out.
What will you do, the one time you did the call out, and you dissuaded capable builders from helping out with the last step, let alone yourself from polishing the underlying theory to conform to standards held this day and age?
Had you lived a 100-200 years earlier, which legitimate inventor would you be stalking with letters that their train of research was incomplete and would never amount to anything? One thing science has been consistent with, is being incomplete or narrow focused. To my incomplete knowledge, of course.
I'd like to learn more about the harmonics in place with this consistent concetric scaling factor, and why with 6/5 the number of needed steps is 8. Curious whether sonic resonance would take place with either a coil or a set of concentric circular or octagon in this octagon/decagon pattern. The consistent radius step factor is different from the typical wound coil and ripple effect.
I wonder what an 11/10 step would change. Smaller steps, need for tighter tolerances? More steps to achieve the desired effect? Higher power density? Or merely a different potential and current transformation?
If someone 3-printed from plastic a spool for the octagon coil and perfect central the cylindrical (?) one, would it help to have the winding to stack laterally rather than radially? If one had a copper strip rather than a wire (say 10x the width), could suffice for a coil?
Sadly I can't help with the build but I'll be a keen follower.
@Cloxxki
Thanks for Your support.
@Kator01
QuoteI - for myself- see no particular reason to develop and test an incomplete idea for an "unknown" person or institution.
Information on such complex systems should be as complete as possible
I understand that you would like to have everything laid down ready on the table, but this ain't gonna always be the case.
QuoteThis creates the suspicion in me that this person does not know it himself, or this person does not exist.
And it is easier to write discouraging comments and accuse others of lying than to actually get your hands dirty and try to make a change. But I guess this is the only thing you can do.
QuoteAnyway I wish you success in your endaveour
I don't think so.
@Cloxxki
QuoteI'd like to learn more about the harmonics in place with this consistent concetric scaling factor, and why with 6/5 the number of needed steps is 8.
This harmonic is simply most optimal for this build. Other harmonics can be applied to this concept, but for this particular build 6/5 harmonic with 8 steps or 7/6 with 13 steps is the most optimal option.
I believe that the same concept was utilized also in pyramids. As the vibration wave traveled from the base of pyramid to the top, the wavelength got shorted and energy was increasing.
But that is just my personal view an it does not have to be correct.
Quote from: MGsid on October 06, 2023, 07:04:08 AM
@Cloxxki
Thanks for Your support.
@Kator01
I understand that you would like to have everything laid down ready on the table, but this ain't gonna always be the case.
And it is easier to write discouraging comments and accuse others of lying than to actually get your hands dirty and try to make a change. But I guess this is the only thing you can do.
I don't think so.
Sir
I (ME!!) would beg to have Kator assist me in research
He has great experience and has helped me in the past ,
He is NOT a naysayer ( quite the opposite)
Yes your claims grab attention.. 200 watts in KW's out ?
unfortunately many have arrived over the years looking for
Others to solve something which is not working as they hoped..
And many have been bitten by this ..
Maybe cloxxi could get help building this ?( don't think he has been bitten yet?)
Or if you have any verifiable gain at all to show ?(mw?
We could approach builders ( with incredible experience)
Respectfully
Chet
@ramset
Thank you for clarification.
I am doing my best and as soon I will have satisfying results I will post it here and share.
Regards