https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)
Introduction. Electromagnetic theory has been without a crucial causal element which is to be revealed upon analysis and subsequent treatment of the quaternion form of Maxwell's equations as offered in his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism [1]. That particular treatment of those quaternion equations of Maxwell has purportedly been found and engineered by government agencies [2,3,4,5]. The quaternion treatment of mathematician P.M. Jack of the equations of Maxwell appears to exhibit the same qualities as those claimed in related literature, revealing a new scalar seventh part within electromagnetic expressions [6]. The potential implications extending from inclusion of the new scalar seventh part of the electromagnetic field within the axiomatic basis of physics include both clean energies and gravitation.
They wrote the quiet part openly .
By mistake? ::)
QuoteConclusion:
Adjustment of the electromagnetic axiomatic basis of modern physical
theory and practice to include the new 7th scalar part of the electromagnetic
field as defined by P.M. Jack, could revolutionize electromagnetic and
gravitational theory. It appears that the mathematics and engineering have
already been derived and put to use by the United States Government. If
public, academic and non-military industrialized applications of this science
were fruitfully applied to serve the general population, clean energies and
anti-gravitational effects could become the ordinary province of next
generations.
Thanks Feb2006!!
Even though I knew about these hidden facts on Maxwell Quaternions for a long time by now...it is great that NOW the Gov agencies has released the papers...where they have been applying these known facts into Engineering dedicated to their benefits...(not ours, not "we the people")
Only thing to add, is that it was not only Heaviside who changed the Maxwell Quaternions...or may I say "to hide the seventh scalar wave"...
They hired Lorentz to completely wash out all Maxwell quaternions equations, all curl calculus dedicated to Magnetism in general...and of course, to bury the "
seventh element"...
All done on purpose...basically to hide all Free Energy Posibilities, All Gravitational effects...and the works...
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Feb2006 on November 29, 2022, 01:34:11 PM
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)
Introduction. Electromagnetic theory has been without a crucial causal element which is to be revealed upon analysis and subsequent treatment of the quaternion form of Maxwell's equations as offered in his Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism [1]. That particular treatment of those quaternion equations of Maxwell has purportedly been found and engineered by government agencies [2,3,4,5]. The quaternion treatment of mathematician P.M. Jack of the equations of Maxwell appears to exhibit the same qualities as those claimed in related literature, revealing a new scalar seventh part within electromagnetic expressions [6]. The potential implications extending from inclusion of the new scalar seventh part of the electromagnetic field within the axiomatic basis of physics include both clean energies and gravitation.
Interesting read. Note it contains this:
"... , caution is urged from the beginning that the new mathematics and hypothetical theory presented are just that, ..."
Context is the article, obviously.
bi
http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf (http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf)
https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism (https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism)
Seems a very big piece of meat for FE community!
Will also be sure it gets in front of as many "open source " eyes as possible!
And for clarity as always, the scientific method of brutal honesty..
which demands the respect of proper unbiased scrutiny !
Thanks
Chet K
oh boy.
we can speculate on word: idiot
were some will prove that :
-idiot is not an idiot at all
-idiot is not an idiot and longer
-word: idiot is not an insult , except when it is.
and some others will say that idiot doesn't exist, because clinical idiot is still smarter than average animal
and we are all animals..
it is interesting subject thank you for that
electromagnetic wave is transversal not longitudinal
and revelations you're talking about are related to longitudinal wave.
there is more to come . It just requires some digging to refresh my memory
Wesley
my comment corresponds with philosophical value of the word idiot in the content.
The language used has nothing to do with pointing at someone or any form of inflammatory connotation.
it talks about, perception in relation to application.
We appliquéd with the word "idiot" but we may not talk about reality it/ - the clinical idiot. (Medical field)
We also appliquéd with the word "longitudinal wave"
but when we use the rejected scientifically word (descriptor) "longitudinal electromagnetic wave"
then someone will suspect that this is a joke, or idiotic joke.
__________________________________
word "appliquéd" = give a romantic look
We dont need romantic science , we need true science.!!!!
PART#1
Eric Dollard
Tom Bearden Tom Brown 09-09-1988. & Bob Beck
Dr. Peter Lindemann https://globalbem.com/peter-lindemann-2-2-2/ (https://globalbem.com/peter-lindemann-2-2-2/)
When looking at names listed above please look at the names on this video:
This is a team of Borderland Sciences
at the time of their youth .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM&list=PL1npzqsxW7Ec41ros0_Rk1_4E5H3nWGGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM&list=PL1npzqsxW7Ec41ros0_Rk1_4E5H3nWGGI)and the title on the video is Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity
this is exactly what you talking about here:
- a scalar wave and Maxwell Quaternions
___________________________________________________________
quoted text:
QuoteEric Dollard is a scientist of the type found in America around the turn of the century. He is an electrical engineer of the old school relying on experience with equipment rather than acceptance of mathematical considerations
https://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/the-work-of-eric-dollard-by-tom-brown/ (https://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/the-work-of-eric-dollard-by-tom-brown/)
In reality Eric Dollard
Quotethe ghost of Bolinas, haunting the place that had been his playground for nearly half his life
met there an alcoholic Philo Taylor Farnsworth III. Son of the great Philo Taylor Farnsworth II, the inventor of television.
QuoteEric Dollard decided to work the salvage business and sell his services as an electrician. Sleeping in his car kept the overheads down
.
QuoteDollard is not a physicist
https://thelethaltext.me/2017/06/24/2659/ (https://thelethaltext.me/2017/06/24/2659/)
Bolinas was known as
Marconi test ground. who in 1917 was building there, energy transfer system through the earth
that was meant to power ships, and provide electricity to humanity (as the customers)
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=138 (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=138)
but before that:
Marconi made first radio contact With England in 1903 in
Massachusetts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do47EfKtDSM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do47EfKtDSM)
Eric Dollard a 'living legend' was a homeless man, living in his car, on Mohave Desert . One day he was donated
the property with house in Mohave Desert , by a Good Man . However Eric, was treating the given
similar way to the way, many of you are reacting to the given
example:
I gave you in my two topics here pretty much precise instruction how to
-extract energy from Schumann waveguide
- and how the electromagnetic energy in the interface earth/air works.
and many of you didn't respected it at all,- so screw them all
they don't want to appreciate the given so they have nothingEric didn't pay the taxes on the property, and it was confiscated by the government.
Today Eric lives in the lab built from money donated by respecting him as an icon people
The lab was built by volunteers, and is managed by Aaron Murakami & Eric Dollard.
_________________________________________________
the second part is coming:
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 01, 2022, 01:56:48 PM
electromagnetic wave is transversal not longitudinal
and revelations you're talking about are related to longitudinal wave.
there is more to come . It just requires some digging to refresh my memory
Question for you Wes:
If you simply alter the charge state of an object, wouldn't you in fact create only an electric force change on all other objects?
This is what I basically understood Tesla was suggesting when he said his waves are not Hertzian.
If we accept Tesla's premise, the follow-on question then is: What speed does this electric force propagate at?
Telsa suggested a speed in excess of what we define the speed of light. In a certain frame of mind, that would imply the electric change in force is longitudinal.
All well in good, but we have only dealt with a single field force, electric; not magnetic, so we really haven't zeroed-in on everything we need to have energy transfer. We also have another component required to have kinetic energy or power, which is time.
This is still a tough nut to crack and I'm not certain we really have the tools to go much further unless we are creative and just try things looking for anomalies. In my thinking the trick to all this is isolation of the local environment. We allow a single field force to propagate over distance and at some receiving point we use the local environment to produce the other missing field force. Then we have the challenge of taking the two combined field forces and sending them back to the transmitter side without loss to close the loop. I've watched various Akula and Ruslan videos where the claim is being made they are doing just that. I'm not convinced but I see the concept being placed into hardware.
What do you think Wes? Are we creative enough with our opposed thumbs and big brains to take what the universe has to offer?
Quote from: Dog-One on December 01, 2022, 03:24:20 PM
Question for you Wes:
it is a separate discussion:
I don't want to disturb this topic with that yet.
Few quotes:
QuoteWe have discussed that speed is a scalar quantity and velocity is a vector quantity.
Re: 1. The origin of the universe (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/msg571990/#msg571990) «
Reply #6 on: November 27, 2022, 03:04:01 PM »
QuoteAxiom:
Nothing with mass can travel as fast as the speed of light, or faster (according to relativity). !!!!!
Please read article: These 4 Cosmic Phenomena Travel Faster Than The Speed of Light
4-cosmic-phenomena-that-travel-faster-than-the-speed-of-light- (https://www.sciencealert.com/4-cosmic-phenomena-that-travel-faster-than-the-speed-of-light-science#:~:text=Einstein%27s%20special%20theory%20of%20relativity%20permanently%20tied%20mass,can%20move%20as%20fast%20as%20light%2C%20or%20faster.)
But what about mass-less photon?:
Photons are massless, and they always move at the speed of light in vacuum, 299 792 458 m/s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#:~:text=Photons%20are%20massless%2C%20and%20they%20always%20move%20at,properties%20of%20both%20waves%20and%20particles%20.%20%5B2%5D)
Re: 1. The origin of the universe (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/msg571949/#msg571949) «
Reply #3 on: November 26, 2022, 08:20:05 PM »
charge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_(physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_(physics))
Speed of electricity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity)
Is there a travelling speed of for electric field? If yes, what is it? (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/1747/is-there-a-travelling-speed-of-for-electric-field-if-yes-what-is-it)Magnetic Field of a Moving Charge https://www.physicskey.com/magnetic-field-moving-charge# (https://www.physicskey.com/magnetic-field-moving-charge#)
QuoteYou know a charge has an electric field around it. The interesting thing is when the charge moves, it also has another type of field called magnetic field. So, if a charge is moving, it now has two fields one is electric field which was already there and another is magnetic field. This article is about the magnetic field of a moving charge.
I'll try to comment on it later
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 01, 2022, 01:56:48 PM
oh boy.
we can speculate on word: idiot
were some will prove that :
-idiot is not an idiot at all
-idiot is not an idiot and longer
-word: idiot is not an insult , except when it is.
and some others will say that idiot doesn't exist, because clinical idiot is still smarter than average animal
and we are all animals..
Wesley
Are you talking about your self or someone else?I dont think that word has a place in an intelligent conversationOr in any conversation.The need to use these words aren't very intelligent.
PART
#2 part#1 is here Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572074/#msg572074) « Reply #7 on: Today at 09:23:21 PM »continuation in : Part
#2 1986 Eric Dollard, Tom Brown & Bob Beck .
Crazy time , no internet yet.
QuoteLongitudinal wave - a wave whose displacement is in the direction of motion. Pushing a slinky in from one end sends a compressive wave towards the other end. [/font]
but this is a mechanical wave that is based on classical physics not on quantum physics.
the entire discussion here is to find if the window left by Maxwell can fit something that is forbidden, secret, where public is stripped from the access to it
and it is sanctioned or anyhow omitted,
so please look in this
CIA the US intelligence agency paper:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf)
quote:
Quotethere is a community in US that believes that the scholar waves are realizable.In the recent conference sponsored by IEEE those were openly discussed
and proceedings on this conference exists. The conference was dedicated to Nikola Tesla and his workThe papers presented claimed - some of Tesla's work ,used Scalar Wave concepts.
there is an implied "Tesla Connection" in all of this.
The participants of that IEEE and activists names are crossed with the black
rectangle so
we cannot read who this paper was talking about.but we assume that
CIA has in mind names of the people listed in part oneof my writing here
.
The most puzzling me is the date at the end of the CIA article
12/ 22/87
please compare group listed in part #1 Borderland Sciences we are talking about them!!!
right?
And person name on the top of this CIA paper is
Dr Vorona
likely:
Nazar Vorona Senior Researcher of Russian Academy of Science
listed also as:
Nazar Vorona Senior Researcher, Joint Institute for High Temperatures, Russian Academy of Science
Verified email at ihed.ras.ru https://jiht.ru/en/about/ (https://jiht.ru/en/about/)
and the question I have is:
was CIA writing to Russian scientists?
__________________________________________________
Pre-conclusion
although
longitudinal electromagnetic wave is never proven
it is the subject of speculation in some thoroughly corrupted parts of the word.
in some countries where everyone is stealing, corrupting, using and abusing
despite he is scientist or corrupted government worker, or Deputy or President
everything is for sale and everything can be felt obligated,
more is coming in part #3
Wesley
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 01, 2022, 04:45:40 PM
Are you talking about your self or someone else?
please read my comment again and learn English if you're not fluent in it.
I made some addition for you to understand it better.
It is about perception of the word in given context.
Wesley
If I might interrupt
It is not the best use of an extensive vocabulary....
And typically results in a first volley to a flame war...( highly unpopular with our host)
Aside from that ... ..bad manners in this venue ( poor choice of noun)
Also I read references here which I cannot find in original documents posted by Feb2006
( some names written above seem used for disqualification of data or "maths" ??
Feb2006 link again
http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf (http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf)
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Yes I do see an addendum was added to post regarding colorful noun !
Wesley
Added Edit
quote
"My comment corresponds with philosophical value of the word idiot in the content.
The language used has nothing to do with pointing at someone or any form of inflammatory connotation.
it talks about, perception in relation to application.
We appliquéd with the word "idiot" but we may not talk about reality it/ - the clinical idiot. (Medical field)
We also appliquéd with the word "longitudinal wave"
but when we use the rejected scientifically word (descriptor) "longitudinal electromagnetic wave"
then someone will suspect that this is a joke, or idiotic joke.
__________________________________
word "appliquéd" = give a romantic look
We dont need romantic science , we need true science.!!!!
End quote
PART
#3
QuoteThe final formulations of Maxwell's electromagnetic equations were originally written in quaternions. Once returned to that form and treated with left and right hand operators as in the mathematics of P. M. Jack, a new seventh scalar electromagnetic field component emerges with possible relations to clean energy extraction and gravitation. Historical and present uses within military and humanitarian contexts are discussed. Scalar wave speeds are derived.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations
it is also worth to say that the article was written by:
Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations.
Jeremy Dunning-Davies, Departments of Mathematics and Physics (retd), University of Hull, England;
and
Richard Lawrence Norman, Editor in chief, Mind magazine Journal of Unconscious Psychology Former Scientific Advisor Thunder Energies Corporation
so
Jeremy is retired and now he can say much more than he could when he was working.
and
Richard is in business and needs the stories.
money talks as long as it sales.
____________________________________________________
So
written in
quaternions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion)
formulation gave the room to existence of
scalar electromagnetic wave (longitudinal electromagnetic wave) but that doesn't mean that it exists.
it is just mathematical possibility. In reality that someone may say:
"You can't have
-1 apple you either have apple/s or you don't have it."
however there is a possibility that sometime in the future you may need one more apple
So you are short of 1 apple for a given application, but that doesn't mean that now, you don't have apples at all.
In analogy to an apple
we may have more Maxwell equations on the shelf now
but only four fundamental Maxwell equations
are in use and published most of the time as this is
what we are in need for.
- when we start to talk about scalar wave (-" longitudinal" electromagnetic wave)
than we are short of one equation that is there on the shelf but is not used
because it mathematically creates more confusion to already confusing quantum physics.
Apart from that (this mathematics) is completely conflicting with physics of today.
While looking at that particular paper
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)we see in page 2
(the pages have no number written, so just try to find page 2) quote:Quotedesigns based in the science of T. Brown that have been practically utilized
And we know that name. The name of
T. Brown - the Thom Brown from
Borderland Sciences
is the same guy? one of the heroes of four? Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572074/#msg572074) «
Reply #7 on: Today at 09:23:21 PM »
is that what that CIA paper was talking about?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf)
on the same page of the article
we have quote:
QuoteGovernment papers and related books state quite plainly that electromagnetic theory inclusive of a new scalar component is indeed being used to gain these effects and, that this same science has been weaponized, and also utilized to gain clean energies as well as biological effects
more is coming in part number four
Wesley
PART #4
don't miss the part number 1, 2, 3
the CIA paper https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf)
talks about : Lt Col Tom Bearden lecturing at IEEE Tesla symposium and Tom Bearden is one of four from the list here:
Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572074/#msg572074) « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2022, 09:23:21 PM »
so now we have two gentlemen recognized and involved in scalar waves
let's go to the third one: Eric Dollard Transverse & Longitudinal Electric Waves
https://borderlandsciences.org/cart/eric-dollard (https://borderlandsciences.org/cart/eric-dollard)/
yes the Borderland Sciences!! 1987-8
the time all the CIA paper and also the time of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM&list=PL1npzqsxW7Ec41ros0_Rk1_4E5H3nWGGIand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM&list=PL1npzqsxW7Ec41ros0_Rk1_4E5H3nWGGIand)
________________________________________________
In here we have another one of the four guys:
Peter Lindemann the Borderland Sciences!! 1987-8
presenting his colleague Thomas Joseph Brown Lecture
( mentioned here: https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572084/#msg572084 (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572084/#msg572084)) - the practical guy with experience and "results"
Thomas Joseph Brown - is the Tom Brown from the Borderland Sciences!! 1987-8 isn't he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0U9PawusY&list=PLHATXZW4Q1TGNGKCyx0ReM-NB2b1Rutdb&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0U9PawusY&list=PLHATXZW4Q1TGNGKCyx0ReM-NB2b1Rutdb&index=1)
and mentioned here too( page #2)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)
more is coming in part #5
Wesley
PART
#5
QuoteThat new EM field component is associated with positive and negative time, gravity, positive and negative energies, temperature and charge.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)Looking at that quote from above, we may see a window to endless possibilities that are not existing in traditional EM
electromagnetism. (or electromagnetic wave).
conclusion number one:
That is what mathematics does and physics says no to it, because math is a tool of physics and not reverse.
let's analyze it:
negative time -
last year, last month, last week, yesterday, one hour ago, one minute ago, one second ago. It refers to the past. Negative energy -is a concept used in physics to explain the nature of certain fields, including the gravitational field and various quantum field effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_energy)Positive and Negative energies - are
balanced.
An unbalance in any of these energies causes big trouble. In the reality of science, positive and Negative energy is a concept used in physics for explaining certain fields such as quantum fields, gravitational field, magnetic field.temperature and charge.
- can be seen as related to battery
or
charge in space and temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_charge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_charge)
___________________________________________________________
so nothing new but we are not talking about that
we talking about EM electromagnetic wave that now some people wants to call longitudinal instead of transversal.
quantum physics versus classical physics:
Would it be good if we have longitudinal electromagnetic wave?
well we already have mechanical longitudinal wave, handled by classical physics right?conclusion number two:
It would be good if Darwin was never born and you guys were not be thrown
from your "special superiority" (claim by your religion), into just simple mammals animals.
Human mammals, claim to have a soul and that allows them to kill
their own with soul, and other mammals with no soul who are being eaten by human mammals animals.
human animals - the hunters also kill for pleasure of watching other mammals die in blood and pain
The same human animals makes from parts of the mammals toys, belts, women purses...
Doesn't that ring the bell? Auschwitz Birkenau?
so the possibility of existence of something unthinkable is theoretically possible right?
-unthinkable killing and claiming that Ukraine has no rights to its own existence because Russia wants their lands.
-unthinkable killing of mammals by human mammals who don't have to it meat, as they have that choice .
while cats the mammals don't that have that choice, they must kill to survive.
-unthinkable EM electromagnetic wave just because Maxwell left mathematical window for that possibility:
well well well:
-Russia has their window to kill Ukrainians
-mammals humans have their window to kill and eat other mammals
-then what's the big deal with Maxwell window to "
longitudinal" electromagnetic wave right?
the only problem is that for now we know that it doesn't exist
when it "miraculously starts to exist" (if any) it will be as "normal" as things I was talking about in the above text.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 01, 2022, 05:35:27 PM
please read my comment again and learn English if you're not fluent in it.
I made some addition for you to understand it better.
It is about perception of the word in given context.
Wesley
You don't need to be a expert in English to see what's you doing.
And trying to hide it with lexical semantics.
Thats childish behavior.
Quote from: stivep on December 02, 2022, 07:45:13 AM
-then what's the big deal with Maxwell window to "longitudinal" electromagnetic wave right?
the only problem is that for now we know that it doesn't exist
when it "miraculously starts to exist" (if any) it will be as "normal" as things I was talking about in the above text.
Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s)
https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html (https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html)
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 02, 2022, 10:10:12 AM
You don't ned to be a expert in English to se what's you doing.
And trying to hide it with lexical semantics.
Thats childish behavior.
let's analyze what you wrote:
the word: ned
meaning1: National Endowment for Democracy (NED) https://www.ned.org/ (https://www.ned.org/)
meaning2: hooliganism and +10 more meanings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NED (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NED)
the word:
semeaning1: "apart" and many other meanings https://www.dictionary.com/browse/se (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/se)
meaning2: SE: Self Employed: SE: Side Effects: SE: Software Engineering: SE: System(s)
Engineering: SE: Search Engine: SE: Special Education: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SE (https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SE)
did you try to say that :
because of
se - (Side effects) of my writing and
ned - Hooliganism
( disruptive or unlawful behavior such as rioting, bullying and vandalism,) you are trying to teach me English lexical semantics?
conclusion:My friend . You don't fully understand English , Your perception is improperly processing
English language of expression.
Please ask before you judge and go to school to learn it
Wesley
addition:
you are so smart that you went back and corrected your grammatical errors you have made it the first time
so clever. Do you think this makes you smarter?
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 02, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s)
https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html (https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html)
the first link is some video made by some guy.
The second link is from PhD Konstantin Meyl oh boy!!!!
some of that material was removed due to unthinkable controversy
or rejection by science world of such revelations so some links may not work
I had them in my computer for years.
http://www.meyl (http://www.meyl).eu/go/index.php?dir=50_Experimental&page=1&sublevel=2
Experimental- and Demo-Kit1. Technical proof: scalar waves exist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tplRbd-fso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tplRbd-fso)
1a Prof. Konstantin Meyl the New Tesla .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTkpC-DHZ8)
electromagnetic vortex (spinning vortex on the outside, electrostatic on the inside; in the bottles water on the outside, air on the inside)
(https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/jfvuFscu_6vHLnDvZd-d8OpQtJtrUxyUaVaeqB_NYCWLB5mDGkzRSGWfpfFAdVrQkCAupQbzmBeKNhgeOU
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6Bq7YddFiS4nsbnL8mY79xdEvl8BFdIoM5aD4iZCiNABG8J=s0-d-e1-ft#
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/130634/image// (https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/jfvuFscu_6vHLnDvZd-d8OpQtJtrUxyUaVaeqB_NYCWLB5mDGkzRSGWfpfFAdVrQkCAupQbzmBeKNhgeOUJkoKdXeK9U63Zik6nqYkridW3phjbM2YH2Vx7YfNv3G7ZLV6aoNI4MWy71CnmL16Bq7YddFiS4nsbnL8mY79xdEvl8BFdIoM5aD4iZCiNABG8J=s0-d-e1-ft#http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/130634/image//))
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2.Power Engineering Scalar Field Theory - Faraday vs. Maxwell and Demonstration of Longitudinal Wave Transmission
http://vimeo.com/63293831 (http://vimeo.com/63293831)
3.Interviews with M.T. Keshe and Konstantin Meyl After September 21 Please skip part with mr Keshe - not important for this subject:
Start watch from : minute 11:57 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zBn3BKd3Y&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zBn3BKd3Y&feature=youtu.be)
it is so unfortunate that he associated himself with mr Keshe the crook. https://youtu.be/TXcAIbgvK_I (https://youtu.be/TXcAIbgvK_I)
Wesley
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 02, 2022, 10:38:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0&t=2s)
https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html (https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html)
Here you have sorted links
some of them may not work as I collected them years ago
4.Papers abstracts:
a. ScalarWave Effects according to Tesla Field-physical basis for electrically coupled bidirectional far range transponders, such as Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/scalar_wave-effects.pdf (http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/scalar_wave-effects.pdf)
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=47_Papers&page=1&sublevel=0 (http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=47_Papers&page=1&sublevel=0)
Faraday or Maxwell? Do scalar waves exist or not? Practical consequences of an extended field theory by: Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Faraday-or-Maxwell.pdf (http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Faraday-or-Maxwell.pdf)
c.Scalar waves Advanced Concepts for Wireless Energy Transfer
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Wireless-Energy-Transfer.pdf (http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Wireless-Energy-Transfer.pdf)
d.1st Annual RFID Eurasia Conference & Exhibitions September 5-6, 2007 ISTANBUL, TURKEY "MEET THE NEED FOR RFID"
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Proc_RFID_Eurasia.pdf
(http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Proc_RFID_Eurasia.pdf)
Ok it looks like none of them works.that is what happened with work of the guy who is trying to
convert science into "controversial longitudinal electromagnetic wave."
He was rejected by everyone
Wesley
here is another gentleman Prof. Robert Haralick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jhzh1Fzq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jhzh1Fzq0)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Haralick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Haralick)
wikipedia says that :
This article has multiple issues.
And yes indeed this guy has many issues.
Wesley
Maybe they mistake longitudinal wave with Poynting vector energy flow?
this is how we understand electromagnetic wave from standpoint of Maxwell equations today:
in the middle of the video is an explanation about energy of electromagnetic wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K40lNL3KsJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K40lNL3KsJ4)
Wesley
https://youtu.be/R3KHaRWzpFM?t=2268 (https://youtu.be/R3KHaRWzpFM?t=2268)
this video will play from that point in time
but curious mind may try to play it from the beginning.
And this is what we are talking about the scalar wave equation
and its components.
Wesley
This video is very easy and very much informative
it even talks about my favored Brewster Angle that I used in
Energy extraction from Schumann waveguide.( earth/ air interface)
and it explains Electromagnetic wave for kids in kindergarten. :)
It is pre-Maxwell history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58)
Magnetic, Electric Fields & EM Waves: History and Physics
-it explains confusion with longitudinal wave that Faraday thought electromagnetic wave is
-the electric field the magnetic field components of the wave
-the ether confusion of Faraday
-the Maxwell rejecting and putting to the end short life of ether
-And the beginning of the understanding of physics
consider this as one of the most important videos of your time if you are not physics men.
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 02, 2022, 03:44:11 PM
This video is very easy and very much informative
-it explains confusion with longitudinal wave that Faraday thought electromagnetic wave is
-the electric field the magnetic field components of the wave
-And the beginning of the understanding of physics
consider this as one of the most important videos of your time if you are not physics men.
Unfortunately that video never investigates the possibility of some garage engineer developing a "light source" in which a polarizing lense has no effect, which would indicate a form of light that is completely longitudinal in nature. And surely if it can be done with light, it could be done for any frequency spectrum.
If the above could be supported in a valid physics experiment, I would postulate waves can be transverse, longitudinal, or in any combination thereof. That would leave it to the engineer to use the form needed to fit the requirements necessary.
Tensor waves (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rspa.1951.0128) anyone?
QuoteSix Fundamental Types of Waves:
First set: TEM (transverse electro magnetic) Waves:
1. TE – Transverse electric (dielectric)
2. TM –Transverse magnetic
3. TEM–Transverse dielectro-electromagnetic with dielectric as the longitudinal coaxial Z-axis.
Second set: -Longitudinal waves:
1-LD -Longitudinal dielectric
2-LM -Longitudinal magneto
3-LMD-Longitudinal magneto dielectric.
Ken Wheeler/Uncovering the missing secrets of Magnetism
Oh yeah...
For sure it has to come here "Mr Know it all" to lecture Us all, mere ignorants, on HOW everything related to Science on Magnetism WORKS!!...
Then fill up this whole thread with a bunch of long "Newspaper type Posts" plus crappy videos, and pure BS!!
Then have the audacity to criticize others, including the Author of this Thread!!
What a pathetic character!!
@ Ramset: Can we make this Thread MODERATED, in order to clean up all the noise and GARBAGE here, please?
If it is not possible, then I will make my own one...Moderated, within my Magnetic Fields Threads.
This subject is very important...in order to understand what is coming soon...and first it has to be demonstrated all the way from the Quaternions Equations from Maxwell...all theway to understand what Lorentz did to Maxwellian Magnetism.
And so, We do not need any "lectures" from any "Mr know it all" about the "basics" and wrong concepts -up to now- about magnetism.
Ufopolitics
I remember the days when Wesley was a special guest on Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and we would all pile-in the chat where Mark-E and TinselKoala would hammer ol' Wesley's latest crazy idea. Good times. I miss the old Wesley--wild hair and contorted smile. He must have found a new love. ;)
Quote from: Dog-One on December 03, 2022, 06:05:50 PM
I remember the days when Wesley was a special guest on Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and we would all pile-in the chat where Mark-E and TinselKoala would hammer ol' Wesley's latest crazy idea. Good times. I miss the old Wesley--wild hair and contorted smile. He must have found a new love. ;)
Thank you for your comment.
You were much younger than I assume :)
TinselKoala very good counterpart where is he now?
https://www.youtube.com/@TinselKoala/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@TinselKoala/videos)
about me:
About two years ago, I was still quite loudly promoting
Dr. James Corum, in my own energy extraction from Schumann waveguide.
The tests were positive, the results were present, I wanted to share with humanity
how to do it, how to make it.
So what happened then?
1.Suddenly Dr. James Corum went to denial. Viziv the Corum brothers entity filed for bankruptcy.
The pressure was too high I assume because the technology works .I did check it by myself.
-Unless James and his brother Kenneth were not technologically yet where I and my partner are today.
but DOE, military, and others were/are quite interested and involved, including oil and gas sharks.
Dr. James Corum had enough money to file 200+ patents, so I couldn't patent anything, he was first.
I could've patent the energy extraction from Schumann waveguide, but I wrote too much about it
prior to thinking about patenting. I lost that opportunity.
1a. Kapanadze died in 2021 very end of the year.2. I was sprayed with a virus , quickly transported to hospital but I survived.( It was before the Pandemic)
Passing by individual quickly turned into me and sprayed me from the bottle 3cm from my face, and start to run.
before I cleaned my eyes it was to late. I didn't want my wife to panic and to explain to her, what happened then.
Some Russians were trying to eliminate me again I assume.
For a pacifist applying for a license for the gun fallowing rules, just because of possibly of some Russian FSB (Bashirov and Pietrov)
is a quite discomfort. - but life is a life, isn't it?
3. starting from~ three years ago I wanted to invest one more time $3000 into new and better computer
that would handle with no problem DavinciResolve , Blender and so on .. I still had
EVA1, ATEM MiniExtreme ISO,DaVinci Resolve Mini Panel, The DaVinci Resolve Editor Keyboard full sized,
BMPCC6KPRO, Blackmagic Video Assist 12G HDR and three times more, making that particular section of the lab, a very much professional studio,
making videos explaining what it is and how it works.
4. only few guys, decided to go deep into it. The rest of the audience was made out of:
a- waiting for more attractive material, convincing them, that if they don't act now somebody else will and they will become
a losers of the opportunity that is coming up just now.
b- opportunists, uneducated, inexperienced, not even much interested but curious.
5. Worry about the future, and the consequences of the technology, and help of academic mathematicians who were based on construct involving this particular advanced energy technology,
calculating probability of overpopulation starting just ~18 years from now
shortage of food supply starting at ~37 years from now.
6. My own life insurance.
You wouldn't think I'm still here if I do talk much
, much more or too much.
However I may if... Yes even after my own death too.
Conclusion:
You don't have Kapanadze and so on. Schematics don't work.
because it is not important how many transistors or discrete elements
is there and what they do.
The only what is important and counts is:
– where the energy comes from
– what is the mechanism of energy conversion and energy extraction
– if energy is for free (like solar energy) the efficiency, energy density,
and your gain it is not important– you still got more than zero and it is for free.
It is very very easy,
For everyone of you to be at the point of me,or my partner
is just to read what we wrote, they wrote, ..... and experiment, (99% of the technology is there.)
the exact dimensions the number of winds, the entire structure, the testing ground and technique,
the methods of testing, the tools use in testing, the physical and theoretical basis,
and surprisingly there was no critics, nobody was opposing with content and supporting evidence.
- everything is in my videos, and the two sections in this forum handled by me.
Even step-by-step instruction is there,(in Russian and in English) although not finished .
But then it will be you not me who is involved,
with all of the consequences of it.
So the whole point for me is - that it was not me!!!!
I didn't do it!!!
I'm ... - nothing to be blamed for!!!
It is you - all of it is your fault.
I'm just a man involved in science of energy and not much more .
I'm innocent ... ( well... sort of)
Wesley
Quote from: Feb2006 on November 30, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf (http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf)
https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism (https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism)
So I have asked a few more opinions ( still awaiting input from some) ,Seems more here to talk about ( directly related to paper above)
Working towards experimental suggestions !
Will probably start a dedicated topic if that transpires!
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: ramset on December 05, 2022, 02:37:44 PM
So I have asked a few more opinions // ( directly related to paper above)
Working towards experimental suggestions !
Respectfully
Chet K
Chet I'm responding only because you asked for it.
the guy is very intelligent manipulator. While pointing at spirituality
and church and believers like an eye opener, he is pushing them more deep
intro to confusion of non-verifiable, nonexistent, but believed to be.
"home" section of the second article:
Quoteproclaimed by the church and state.
Most of mankind lives in a hypnotic trance, taking to be reality
what is instead a twisted simulacrum of reality,
simulacrum, means "likeness, semblance") is
a –representationor
imitation of a person or thing.
Quotesingle field called the scalar superpotential.
called by whom?
some single individual from Florida- in this sense?
first article written also by:
Thomas Minderle (alias Montalk) was born in Germany and he is currently living in Florida.
After studying physics and electrical engineering for four years, he left college to pursue more independent research.
His interests include spirituality,.
https://hyperspace.engineer/#researcher_thomas_minderle (https://hyperspace.engineer/#researcher_thomas_minderle)______________________________________Minderle (alias Montalk) Ether Physics, scalar superpotential ,
and all other nonsense.
Few real physical terms:
let's analyze term:
Quotescalar superpotential
-word
scalar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics))
-word
scalar potential https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_potential (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_potential)
-word
superpotential https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpotential (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpotential)
Superpotential and Scalar Potentialhttps://1library.net/article/superpotential-and-scalar-potential-two-parameter-models.yje9w72q (https://1library.net/article/superpotential-and-scalar-potential-two-parameter-models.yje9w72q)
although each one of the individual factors in physics is present and
represents a value
the "
single field called the scalar superpotential" is the term used by
Thomas Minderle (alias Montalk) were all sense and nonsense of it is known to
and exists in his mind. Although he tries to explain it to us, most of readers
get confused by easiness of reading Thomas Minderle book, were not having
solid physics background in this particular area creates a
trap, collecting
more attention of the believers, versus the properly prepared analytical minds.
For me it is a complete nonsense trying to use tools of science in this sense.
In other words, it is brilliant :
-If any of that sense doesn't exist to show that nonsense have a lot of sense.
The "bend" is taking a place in the point where introduction changes to nonsense
but that
nonsense is not clearly spotted by the reader.
Note: opinion expressed my own, according to the Constitution of United States.Wesley
Wesley
I am certain you are not alone in your opinions on the "other work or theories" attached to author of document below,
However..
This document is not ( I am told) a shallow unsupported presentation ,quite the contrary.. it actually touches on very complex work Another had pondered ...
As mentioned already, the interest at this time is not towards theories , it is towards a path for empirical proof or experiments to qualify the alleged claims alluded to in document below .("The keys to the FE city")
And hopefully a true anomaly or heretofore unknown or realized gain mechanism.
No stone left unturned!
Respectfully
Chet K
Feb2006 link from post # 4 http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf (http://scalarphysics.com/resources/thomas_minderle/thomas_minderle-a_brief_introduction_to_scalar_physics.pdf)
https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism (https://montalk.net/notes/334/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism)
Thanks, I also found this paper recently.
Put this next to Floyd Sweet's writing and try to deduce with this hypothesis.
A time conjugate (out of phase, or reflected by a 'mirror' source) team EM-wave with B waves cancelling and E waves adding, it becomes a B+(-B) E+E wave, or a standing electrostatic only wave which change doesn't generate B fields anymore.
Try to see if this can explain the behavior of coupled inductors in designs like shark and kapa, meyer and literally all of them. Especially Figuera.
credits to emjunke for pointing this out since a long time ago
Alan
Would be nice if you qualified your "confident comment" by teaching us an actual gain mechanism?
Tripping over so many FE devices ( you mention with such confidence to understand the gain mechanism ??)
Please share just one true gain mechanism which can survive a bench replication / verification for
Peer review.
The floor is all yours !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Here the group which was many years working with person you "credit " above
And after much disappointment and dead ends ( and unnecessary drama)
Started a new more open group !
https://www.beyondunity.org/ (https://www.beyondunity.org/)
Please teach us ...or it ends up looking like another baseless taunt ....?
Hello,
I just got such a simple question, basically for those who believe they "know it all"...and yes, it refers basically to MAGNETISM.
Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?
Why a magnetic field is NOT generated if we just wind the wire in a "zig-zag" pattern**?
*circular pattern, referring to always making a consecutive and continuously wound loop, it don't matter if later on, we press it and make it flatter...is still a "circular pattern flattened"...And, of course, (for any "smart cookie) it don't need to be "exactly circular", but square, triangular, etc,etc.
**zig-zag pattern, referring to gathering the wire in a ZlZlZlZlZ flat pattern...or could also be in a U^U^U type shape, flat.
Obviously in both examples we simply apply the same electrical -/+ power to both wire ends...however, the zig-zag will not generate a Magnetic Field...
Why?
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 09, 2022, 07:22:31 PM
Hello,
Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?
Ufopolitics
You know that a wire laid in a zigzag is a bifilar, which has no inductance, and therefore does not create a magnetic field. But it introduces a delay in the passage of the signal in time.
Quote from: ramset on December 09, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
Alan
Would be nice if you qualified your "confident comment" by teaching us an actual gain mechanism?
Tripping over so many FE devices ( you mention with such confidence to understand the gain mechanism ??)
Please share just one true gain mechanism which can survive a bench replication / verification for
Peer review.
The floor is all yours !
Respectfully
Chet K
I only point in the right direction.
What are Tesla-waves?
I won't rant too much, but I think the key is interferometry of conjugate EM wavepairs, because the Whittaker paper points in this direction.
How can the info be used to find out how to convert reactive power into real power?
Just assume 'Figuera' works, then these papers will help explain it and you will deduce the mechanism.
IMHO Cancel B, add E, in magnetic synchronism using multiple coils to create a standing scalar potential.
Or reactive VxI to standing V, nature provides the I via Ohm's law. (Didn't Don Smith do ths?)
regards
edit
Bearden wrote this:
In two fundamental papers in 1903 and 1904, Whittaker showed that all present vector EM can be replaced by scalar potential interferometry, and that bidirectional harmonic EM plane wave sets could be used to produce a standing wave of force-field-free potential
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 09, 2022, 07:22:31 PM
Hello,
I just got such a simple question, basically for those who believe they "know it all"...and yes, it refers basically to MAGNETISM.
Why do we always need to wind a coil in a circular pattern*, in order to obtain a Magnetic Field?
Why a magnetic field is NOT generated if we just wind the wire in a "zig-zag" pattern**?
*circular pattern, referring to always making a consecutive and continuously wound loop, it don't matter if later on, we press it and make it flatter...is still a "circular pattern flattened"...And, of course, (for any "smart cookie) it don't need to be "exactly circular", but square, triangular, etc,etc.
**zig-zag pattern, referring to gathering the wire in a ZlZlZlZlZ flat pattern...or could also be in a U^U^U type shape, flat.
Obviously in both examples we simply apply the same electrical -/+ power to both wire ends...however, the zig-zag will not generate a Magnetic Field...
Why?
Regards
Ufopolitics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.
Alan
Respectfully , without actual results which can be verified and then successfully replicated?
Your "pointing " is ?
Huh ?( hunch ?
Conceptual errors happen quite often ,.... it is the concepts that can actually work
Empirically ..which we need desperately!
Hunches with no supporting evidence..."not so much !
Theses type claims turn out to be very deep rabbit holes ..( claims with no evidence
Too many years wasted on Hunches and conceptual errors with no working concept which can pass scrutiny ( or proper measurements )
And pointing to failures as proof of ?
Hopefully this is not the case with paper being discussed here !
And hopefully an experiment which supports the assumptions will manifest!
Respectfully
Chet
I don't claim anything. I recommend people to look at the writings of Figuera, Sweet, a bit of Don Smith but now with the quaternion science and Whittaker idea of transverse to standing to scalapotential to EM next to it. (magnetic self-pumped phase-conjugation?).
"If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth."
In modern terms, Whittaker showed how to turn EM wave energy into electrogravitational potential energy, then how to interfere two such scalar potential waves to recover electromagnetic energy, even at a distance.
Quote from: alan on December 10, 2022, 08:37:43 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oersted%27s_law)
Apply this to different geometries and you'll have your answer.
@ Alan: Nope, it does not answers my question, at least "not in full"...
Oersted is the very basic law which relates electricity to magnetism,
so simple it relates to a single wire carrying a charge then around it, generates a surrounding spatial magnetic field...
@Kolbacict: Yes, that is right, a zigzag is somehow a similar approach to a bifilar with opposite directions of currents in every turn, so magnetic fields keep canceling in every "two way street"...now, that is just the "conventional answer"...
But there is more to this...and here below, is the description taken from Thomas Minderle article, originally posted by member Feb2006, which clearly defines it:
QuoteMagnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment. It arises from the curl in magnetic vector potential. Its units are Webers/meter2 . Whenever there is vorticity in the magnetic vector potential, a magnetic field exists pointing along the axis of that rotation.
And in a very simple way IN ESSENCE: "
The CURL in Magnetic Vector Potential"...which resumes in..."
VORTICITY in the Magnetic Vector Potential"
Ufopolitics
Quote from: stivep on December 01, 2022, 07:35:27 PM
PART #3
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)
it is also worth to say that the article was written by:
Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations. Jeremy Dunning-Davies, Departments of Mathematics and Physics (retd), University of Hull, England;
and
Richard Lawrence Norman, Editor in chief, Mind magazine Journal of Unconscious Psychology Former Scientific Advisor Thunder Energies Corporation
so Jeremy is retired and now he can say much more than he could when he was working.
and
Richard is in business and needs the stories.
money talks as long as it sales.
____________________________________________________
So written in quaternions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion)
formulation gave the room to existence of
scalar electromagnetic wave (longitudinal electromagnetic wave) but that doesn't mean that it exists.
it is just mathematical possibility.
In reality that someone may say:
"You can't have -1 apple you either have apple/s or you don't have it."
however there is a possibility that sometime in the future you may need one more apple
So you are short of 1 apple for a given application, but that doesn't mean that now, you don't have apples at all.
In analogy to an apple
we may have more Maxwell equations on the shelf now
but only four fundamental Maxwell equations
are in use and published most of the time as this is
what we are in need for.
- when we start to talk about scalar wave (-" longitudinal" electromagnetic wave)
than we are short of one equation that is there on the shelf but is not used
because it mathematically creates more confusion to already confusing quantum physics.
Apart from that (this mathematics) is completely conflicting with physics of today.
While looking at that particular paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343095623_Deductions_from_the_Quaternion_Form_of_Maxwell's_Electromagnetic_Equations)
we see in page 2
(the pages have no number written, so just try to find page 2) quote:And we know that name. The name of T. Brown - the Thom Brown from Borderland Sciences
is the same guy? one of the heroes of four? Re: Deductions from the Quaternion Form of Maxwell's Electromagnetic Equations (https://overunity.com/19311/deductions-from-the-quaternion-form-of-maxwells-electromagnetic-equations/msg572074/#msg572074) « Reply #7 on: Today at 09:23:21 PM »
is that what that CIA paper was talking about?
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf)
on the same page of the article
we have quote:
more is coming in part number four
Wesley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Townsend_Brown
The propagation of ANY Magnetic Field Force, whether generated by a PM or EM, is completely longitudinal in essence, it is more directly accurate than a LASER Beam pointer.
It has been a completely nonsense, -up to now- the teachings that Flux or the B-Field "only" merge outwards, from the North to be entering the South end of any Magnetic Field!!
All Magnetic Fields propagation of their Vector of Force, merge exactly from the very gravitational center of the field, towards each extreme end outwards, or so called "poles", and this forces expand into Space, and are -both- identical in length and amplitude.
All this could be measured with a very simple tool...a CRT with a Centered Horizontal Rastering Line.
CRT REVEALING MAGNETIC FIELD VORTEXES (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OzMURRU_k&t=1096s)
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 09:44:47 AM
@ Alan: Nope, it does not answers my question, at least "not in full"...
But there is more to this...and here below, is the description taken from Thomas Minderle article, originally posted by member Feb2006, which clearly defines it:
QuoteMagnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment. It arises from the curl in magnetic vector potential. Its units are Webers/meter2 . Whenever there is vorticity in the magnetic vector potential, a magnetic field exists pointing along the axis of that rotation.
And in a very simple way IN ESSENCE: "The CURL in Magnetic Vector Potential"...which resumes in..."VORTICITY in the Magnetic Vector Potential"
_______________________________________________________________________________Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 09:44:47 AM
Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment.
really?
are you sure?
Well Well Well .........Houston we have a problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_we_have_a_problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_we_have_a_problem)Magnetic field is:
a
vector field that describes the magnetic influence on moving electric charges, electric currents, .
A moving charge in a magnetic field experiences a force
perpendicular to its own velocity !!!
Because the force is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, a pure magnetic field
will not accelerate a charged particlethe charged mass particle will not be accelerated!!!!
however will produce circular or helical motion
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E)
Also: The charged particle's speed is
unaffected by the magnetic field.
The magnetic field has no effect on speed since it exerts a force perpendicular to the motion.
Motion of a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field
motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.)
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration: (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E
(https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.)
is scalar is vector is vector
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So how particle accelerator works than? :
Particle accelerators use
electric fields to speed up and increase the energy of a beam of particles,
which are steered and focused by magnetic fields.
The particle source provides the particles, such as protons or electrons, that are to be accelerated.
so particle = mass e.g proton mass.
and magnetic field since it is perpendicular acts like if in analogy:
someone was pushing, squeezing you to the ground while you are trying to move
- you are being positioned.
Magnetic field also is used for positioning and steering but not for acceleration or speeding up,
_______________________________________________________________________________Some sort of intelligent manipulator, may likely make you to start believe in
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Note: opinion expressed is my own, according to the Constitution of United States.Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 10, 2022, 01:15:50 PM
Magnetic field is:
a vector field that describes the magnetic influence on moving electric charges, electric currents, .
A moving charge in a magnetic field experiences a force perpendicular to its own velocity !!!
Because the force is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, a pure magnetic field will not accelerate a charged particle
the charged mass particle will not be accelerated!!!!
however will produce circular or helical motion
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E)
Also: The charged particle's speed is unaffected by the magnetic field.
The magnetic field has no effect on speed since it exerts a force perpendicular to the motion.
Motion of a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.)
Speed, Velocity, and Acceleration: (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E
(https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/motion-of-a-charged-particle-in-a-magnetic-field/#:~:text=The%20charged%20particle%E2%80%99s%20speed%20is%20unaffected%20by%20the,the%20force%20cannot%20accomplish%20work%20on%20the%20particle.)is scalar is vector is vector
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All above concept (or sort of "Theory") is TOTALLY thrown out, by a simple, small,
Permanent Magnet...which does NOT have any electrical charges, nor electric currents...it is just...A Magnetic Field, NOT generated by anything, but being there, existing...so, now what?
Besides, on my post It reads very clearly
a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"...so, please, do not put words I did not mentioned.
Quote from: stivep on December 10, 2022, 01:15:50 PM
So how particle accelerator works than? :
Particle accelerators use electric fields to speed up and increase the energy of a beam of particles,
which are steered and focused by magnetic fields.
The particle source provides the particles, such as protons or electrons, that are to be accelerated.
so particle = mass e.g proton mass.
and magnetic field since it is perpendicular acts like if in analogy:
someone was pushing, squeezing you to the ground while you are trying to move
- you are being positioned.
Magnetic field also is used for positioning and steering but not for acceleration or speeding up,
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NEGATIVE!!!A Particle Accelerator could work with BOTH, Electric and/or Magnetic Fields...NOT only Electric Fields!!
A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.
Ufopolitics
WARNING: In order to
keep this dialog in good shape, please
remain from ANY offenses, ironies, or insults which are completely
NOT NEEDED.
A simple statement:
If Magnetic Fields would not accelerate mass...then all magnetic (PM and Electromagnetic) motors should not work...right?
However, THEY ALL DO!!
Ufopolitics
The magnetic field of a permanent magnet is also created by current, the spin of the electrons of the hard magnetic material constitutes the current.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
All above concept (or sort of "Theory") is TOTALLY thrown out, by a simple, small, Permanent Magnet...which does NOT have any electrical charges, nor electric currents...it is just...A Magnetic Field, NOT generated by anything, but being there, existing...so, now what?
Besides, on my post It reads very clearly a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"...so, please, do not put words I did not mentioned.
A Particle Accelerator could work with BOTH, Electric and/or Magnetic Fields...NOT only Electric Fields!!
A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
A CRT is the perfect example of a small Particle Accelerator (electrons in this case)...and so, it works with Magnetic Fields or also with Electric Fields.
However, much more common are the Magnetic Fields to deflect the Electron Beam Ray.
it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!!
magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't
change the speed of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 09:44:47 AM
Magnetic field - field that accelerates matter depending on its magnetic moment.
originally that quote was taken by you from Thomas Minderle "revelation" :)
answer:
the word its states that you are talking about
accelerated matter by its magnetic field.
and your matter is not specified.
by that my answer was:
For a particular atom, the net magnetic dipole moment
is the vector sum of the magnetic dipole
moments.
So let us take a sample.
A handful of matter has approximately 10
26 atoms and ions, each with its magnetic dipole moment If no external magnetic field is present, the magnetic dipoles are randomly oriented—as
many are pointed up as down, as many are pointed east as west, and so on.
Consequently, the net magnetic dipole moment of the sample is
zero.
so my answer was responding to the exact phrase in question!!!Overall
particles have no magnetic moment in the absence of magnetic field (Ha).
There is a blocking temperature (TB) below which the system behaves as ferromagnetic and above which the system behaves superparamagnetic.
magnetic-moment (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/magnetic-moment#:~:text=Overall%20particles%20have%20no%20magnetic%20moment%20in%20the,ferromagnetic%20and%20above%20which%20the%20system%20behaves%20superparamagnetic.)
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Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 09:44:47 AM
a Magnetic Field accelerates MATTER, not mentioned any "electrical charges"
Answer:
QuoteA magnetic field is a vector field in the neighborhood of a magnet, electric current, or changing electric field in which magnetic forces are observable. A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic magnetic moments of elementary particles ...
A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic
magnetic moments of elementary particles
So it is specifically said that there is
not either/or. it is the presence of two factors at the same very time:
- moving electric charges
-
magnetic moments of elementary particles
https://byjus.com/physics/magnetic-field/ (https://byjus.com/physics/magnetic-field/)
That applies to permanent magnets as well were moving charge is electron in the cloud.
Or by old and outdated planetary Bohr Atom - electron pair in the orbit.
_____________________________________________________________
Wesley
Quote from: alan on December 10, 2022, 02:17:33 PM
The magnetic field of a permanent magnet is also created by current, the spin of the electrons of the hard magnetic material constitutes the current.
So, the Magnetic Field of our Planet Earth...was also because someone wrapped the entire globe with wires and ran some huge currents?... ;D
Or Magnetite, which is a
naturally magnetized material...was also electrified in ancient times...?
A Permanent Magnet is created by applying currents for a very short time,
and only once on its lifetime...and after that process ends... what keeps it magnetized permanently?
Ufopolitics
Particle Accelerator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_accelerator): A particle accelerator is a machine that uses electromagnetic fields (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field) to propel charged (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge) particles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle) to very high speeds and energies, and to contain them in well-defined beams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_accelerator#cite_note-1)
A Cathode Ray Tube TV, generates and concentrates electrons by thermionics (e.g: heat resistor Filament at a CRT TV)...and uses two coils to deflect PLUS Accelerate electrons in Horizontal and Vertical axis.
A Rastering of the beam thanks to the high frequency that magnetic field drives beam, generates an image on the phosphoric screen.
A small HV Coil Positive end is used at front of tube to attract (direct) electrons to screen by a metal frame around glass. However, this positive end of the Electric Field is driven at a Constant Voltage, so, no acceleration is done by this electric field.
End of this conversation from my end.
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 10, 2022, 04:52:09 PM
So, the Magnetic Field of our Planet Earth...was also because someone wrapped the entire globe with wires and ran some huge currents?... ;D
Or Magnetite, which is a naturally magnetized material...was also electrified in ancient times...?
A Permanent Magnet is created by applying currents for a very short time, and only once on its lifetime...and after that process ends... what keeps it magnetized permanently?
Ufopolitics
I found this
Scientists know that today the Earth's magnetic field is powered by the solidification of the planet's liquid iron core. The cooling and crystallization of the core stirs up the surrounding liquid iron, creating powerful electric currents that generate a magnetic field stretching far out into space. This magnetic field is known as the geodynamo.
https://news.mit.edu/2020/origins-earth-magnetic-field-mystery-0408
Quote from: ramset on December 09, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
PS
Here the group which was many years working with person you "credit " above
And after much disappointment and dead ends ( and unnecessary drama)
Started a new more open group !
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They're going in the right direction. COP > 1 confirmed.
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Quote from: stivep on December 10, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!!
magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't change the speed of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)
Wesley
"A
deflection yoke is a kind of magnetic lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_lens), used in cathode ray tubes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube) to scan the electron beam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray) both vertically and horizontally over the whole screen.
In a CRT"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_yoke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_yoke)
"In physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics),
deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_(physics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflection_(physics))
Quote from: Feb2006 on December 10, 2022, 06:31:23 PM
"In physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics), deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity)"
In physics, deflection is a change in a moving object's velocity, hence its trajectory,
-so we are talking about : a change of the angle of the vector of velocity !!!!!!!!!!! Vector only!! in CRT
velocity is vector quantity
(- not scalar)!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZo8-ihCA9E)By that this statement is supporting my explanation per say !!
some example:the-angle-which-the-velocity-vector-of-a-projectilethrown (https://www.toppr.com/ask/question/the-angle-which-the-velocity-vector-of-a-projectilethrown-with-a-velocity-v-at-an/#:~:text=The%20angle%20which%20the%20velocity%20vector%20of%20a,of%20its%20being%20thrown%20up%20is%20A%20%CE%B8)
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Dealing with some pseudoscientific trash. :Although I was ask, not to be sarcastic,
- entire topic is about a guy making money by fooling around
with people's expectations and hopes.
I don't see any positive outcome of such activity.
Responding to it didn't give me any pleasure or satisfaction.However it is everybody's right to be "superstitious," irrational, unreasonable, or reverse back-and-forth - who cares. Note: opinion expressed is my own, according to the Constitution of United States.Wesley
"it uses electric field for acceleration and magnetic field for positioning – only!![/size]magnetic field doesn't accelerate and doesn't change the speed[/size] of a charged mass particle!!! like e.g. proton.(=mass)[/size]Wesley"
NOT SPEED ACCELERATION[/size]
[/size]
Question
Can a charged particle be accelerated by a magnetic field.Can its speed be increased?
Solution
The magnetic field accelerates the charged particle by changing the direction of velocity. The magnetic field doesn't change the speed of the charged particle.
Quote from: stivep on December 10, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Overall particles have no magnetic moment in the absence of magnetic field (Ha).
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A magnetic field is produced by moving electric charges and intrinsic magnetic moments of elementary particles
Wesley
?
1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/diamagnetic-material
(https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/diamagnetic-material#:~:text=In%20a%20diamagnetic%20material%2C%20the%20atoms%20have%20no,opposite%20direction%20to%20that%20of%20the%20applied%20field.)2. a spin magnetic moment, independent of the presence (or, indeed, absence) of a (net) electric charge in given application.
Magnetic moment of uncharged particles
(https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/130837/magnetic-moment-of-uncharged-particles) selected charge appears to be mandatory and primary where the magnetic moment is the effect achieved, – resulting effect
3. magnetic moment is explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment)
as an analogy let's take:
– two lesbians–
- two gays
- two straight individuals ( male of traditional orientation)
- two straight individuals ( female of traditional orientation)
all of them have their own orientation but when mixed their orientation doesn't affect (much)
orientation of others so they remains in their own personal domains.
The strong external force like recent Russian government suppression of LGBT, makes them align
by force as long as that particular Russian form of banditism is in power.
When in 1990 Soviet union collapsed all individual domains took their own direction independently.
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let's apply the mechanism of analogy from above:
In the ferromagnetic material magnetic domains are randomly oriented.
Only presence of strong external magnetic field makes them aligned.
However this external magnetic field doesn't show up there instantly from nowhere and nothing.
It has to be moved into perimeter/boundary of ferromagnetic material.
so this move / movement / (means - motion) comes from external energy moving that magnet
analogy: if Russian Terrorists didn't move to Ukraine there will be no alignment of EU/ US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand domains
so they are now unhappy but aligned as united opposing force
Axiom:
moving magnet creates electric current in the conductor.
But it must be moving!!! at first.
From classical electrodynamics, a rotating distribution of electric charge produces a magnetic dipole,
so that it behaves like a tiny bar magnet.
One consequence is that an external magnetic field exerts a torque on the electron
magnetic moment that depends on the orientation of this dipole with respect to the field.
Electron magnetic moment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_moment
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_moment#:~:text=From%20classical%20electrodynamics%2C%20a%20rotating%20distribution%20of%20electric,of%20this%20dipole%20with%20respect%20to%20the%20field.)
Note: opinion expressed is my own, according to the Constitution of United States.
Wesley
Magnitude of Acceleration on Electron, caused by Magnetic Field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnZ1mXftKU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SnZ1mXftKU)
Clean, simple and neat Math...
Electron having a Velocity=2.1x10^6 Meters/Sec
Based on the calculation of the Magnetic Field Force acting on Electron:
Electron reaches an Acceleration of= 5.9x10^12 Meters/Second^2
Ufopolitics
3 Amazing Magnetic Accelerators/Magnetic Toys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyv9GhaITNE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyv9GhaITNE)
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 11, 2022, 09:57:47 AM
Clean, simple and neat Math...
The
magnetic force on a moving
charge is one of the most fundamental known.
The
magnetic force is as important as the
electrostatic or Coulomb force.
all magnetism relies on current, the flow of charge !!!!
https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/University_Physics/Book%3A_Physics_(Boundless)/21%3A_Magnetism/21.3%3A_Magnetic_Force_on_a_Moving_Electric_Charge (https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/University_Physics/Book%3A_Physics_(Boundless)/21%3A_Magnetism/21.3%3A_Magnetic_Force_on_a_Moving_Electric_Charge)
I think all difficulty in understanding what is what comes from the fact of lack of understanding
of principles of magnetism in atomic structure level,
analogy:
you my friend started to watch the movie from the middle of it and that created false conclusion.
Started from the beginning of the movie - explains How do magnetism is "born" in an atom
when electron is a moving charge!!!!! In motion!!!
it was a question here:
QuoteSuppose an electron is moving through empty space at speed v. It produces an electric field because it is a charge. But this field changes as it moves.
Changing electric field must give rise to magnetic field.
However, the moving electron also constitutes a transient current through various points in space.
fields-of-a-moving-electron (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/352620/fields-of-a-moving-electron#:~:text=Suppose%20an%20electron%20is%20moving%20through%20empty%20space,a%20transient%20current%20through%20various%20points%20in%20space.)
the answer:
https://youtu.be/MN_XtX7WYYc?t=175 (https://youtu.be/MN_XtX7WYYc?t=175)
an unpaired electron in motion is responsible for magnetic contribution.
-why do unpaired electrons have a magnetic dipole moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_electron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_electron)
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 11, 2022, 10:55:44 AM
I think all difficulty in understanding what is what comes from the fact of lack of understanding
of principles of magnetism in atomic structure level,
analogy:
you my friend started to watch the movie from the middle of it and that created false conclusion.
Started from the beginning of the movie - explains How do magnetism is "born" in an atom
when electron is a moving charge!!!!! In motion!!!
an unpaired electron in motion is responsible for magnetic contribution.
-why do unpaired electrons have a magnetic dipole moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_electron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_electron)
Wesley
First, let me cite a statement from Walter Russell:
There are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe.
Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges.
Thenegative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force. –
W. RussellSecond, for your knowledge, I do not have -AT ALL- ANY "difficulty" about knowledge related to Magnetism.
Why should we dedicate our precious time to study and disect an "egg"...when the Chicken is a way more developed biological specimen?
By studying an egg, would I understand the completely formed and developed Chicken?...Answer is a huge NOPE!!
So, by concentrating so much, on the beggining of the "movie", you have lost the main developing parts, adding the end to it...
Then, you are missing looking at the "big picture".
A Magnetic Field is a fully developed "creature"...so, I rather concentrate on the study and development of this NATURAL PHENOMENA!!
I have dedicated THOUSANDS of Hours Studying Magnetism, and then making videos, which are based on TRUE EXPERIMENTS, not just on painted images and "assumptions".
My videos dedicated to Magnetism, have
extensive graphical experimental evidence of behaviors which proves the total truth about Magnetism.
MAGNETISM (9 VIDEOS) (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDK7GC_dPVji-WQ0UoQGcRuS6tjRw_JPg)To end this discussion, here and now:
Sir, You are not going to "make me" change my mind after conducting years of study related to Magnetic Fields.
As I know you will not change your mind either...
so, what is the point here?IMHO, it is a complete waste of time!!...and "Time is precious"...
so, whenever I POST here, I really do not want to see your response to my posts, like you feel you are "correcting me" somehow, in your "news paper type" posts, citing links from the web from allover...I conduct my own experiments, whether to approve or disapprove any statements.
Whenever I post here, it is basically to ALL Members of this Forum, and related to this Thread, it is basically to the Author.
Ufopolitics (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdmFG5BeS0YnD2b5zasXXng)
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 12, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
First, let me cite a statement from Walter Russell:
There are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The
negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force. – W. Russell
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell
QuoteWalter Bowman Russell (May 19, 1871 – May 19, 1963) was an impressionist American painter (of the Boston School), sculptor, autodidact and author. His lectures and writing place him firmly in the New Thought Movement.[1] Russell wrote extensively on science topics, but these writings "were not taken seriously by scientists."[2]
Hi Ufo,
Walter Russell's writings "were not taken seriously by scientists." But you do take them seriously, don't you? You and I have been around on him before. I recall referring to a book by him available freely on-line at that time. I can't find it now. Do you have the link? I'd appreciate it. I believe it is:
Universal One.
Thanks,
bi
Quote from: bistander on December 12, 2022, 01:52:13 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell)
Hi Ufo,
Walter Russell's writings "were not taken seriously by scientists." But you do take them seriously, don't you? You and I have been around on him before. I recall referring to a book by him available freely on-line at that time. I can't find it now. Do you have the link? I'd appreciate it. I believe it is: Universal One.
Thanks,
bi
Hello Bi,
Yes, that note from Russell I took it from K.Wheeler's book
Yes, of course I do take him very seriously!
The fact that He was an Artist, a Painter, a Sculptor (and an excellent one) and a Book writer...plus his religious beliefs...reflected on many of his books...ALL that would not diminish at all his findings related to Science, basically about Magnetism.
Maybe they all envy and hate him, just because his wife Lao, was so beautiful!!...
Archive.org have the two books :Universal one and Secret of light:
https://archive.org/details/49306379-walter-russell-the-universal-one-alchemy-chemistry/page/n1/mode/2up (https://archive.org/details/49306379-walter-russell-the-universal-one-alchemy-chemistry/page/n1/mode/2up)
https://archive.org/details/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight/page/n3/mode/2up (https://archive.org/details/WalterRussellTheSecretOfLight/page/n3/mode/2up)
Note: on the three dots within a circle icon, on your left upper page, press it and you can choose download pdf option.
Maybe you have never read about his power generator that he built and was powering his University...please do below:
https://www.philosophy.org/russell-optic-dynamo-generator.html#/ (https://www.philosophy.org/russell-optic-dynamo-generator.html#/)
You are welcome
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo,
Thanks, but I was mistaken (imagine that). It wasn't Russell, it was a book by Rawl and Davis, https://archive.org/details/magnetism-and-its-effects-on-the-living-system/page/22/mode/1up?view=theater
I ran across it reviewing our previous discussion about your magnetism theory, here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/13672-enlightened-magnetism-the-full-proof-of-ken-wheeler-s-theories/page11#post392708
Like 7 years ago. Seems like yesterday. Thanks again for the link to free books on-line.
bi
Quote from: Ufopolitics on December 12, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
You are not going to "make me" change my mind
last century and older, literature is often outdated.
I must agree with you to the point that
everybody has rights to his own opinion.The video https://youtu.be/MN_XtX7WYYc?t=175 (https://youtu.be/MN_XtX7WYYc?t=175) was posted by the teacher.
PhD Patrick Shamberger
You didn't give me any scientifically recognized literature opposing that what is in the video,
College physics teaching (of today) presents this very direction, and
students must pass exam from it,
(in EU, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the rest of the world.)We are here to help each other not to fight with each other.
So I do apologize if you feel discomfort, when talking about magnetism with me.
I do thank you very much for your time spent on this topic
I truly wish you all the best.
Be Well
Wesley
Quote from: stivep on December 11, 2022, 10:55:44 AM
The magnetic force on a moving charge is one of the most fundamental known.
The magnetic force is as important as the electrostatic or Coulomb force.
all magnetism relies on current, the flow of charge !!!!
https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/University_Physics/Book%3A_Physics_(Boundless)/21%3A_Magnetism/21.3%3A_Magnetic_Force_on_a_Moving_Electric_Charge (https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/University_Physics/Book%3A_Physics_(Boundless)/21%3A_Magnetism/21.3%3A_Magnetic_Force_on_a_Moving_Electric_Charge)
I think all difficulty in understanding what is what comes from the fact of lack of understanding
of principles of magnetism in atomic structure level,
F = qvBsin(th) is an interesting phenomenon, if it's rearranged into F/q = VxB (or was it BxV) it becomes an electric force field, E = Newton/Coulomb = Volts/Meter.
This is the topic of Floyd Sweet's "nothing is something" and of the scientific work of Hooper "New Horizons In Electric, Magnetic & Gravitational Field Theory".
This electric field is found to be unshieldable like gravity and Sweet says it's the source of free energy.
Not sure yet what Ufo's experiments prove, but they're of high quality. You, Ufo, could look into the above if you want FE, follow the clues, and come up with an experiment that investigates this motional electric field.
In the end we can only confirm what we can observe, the right hand rule for VxB is very abstract, I assume we don't know the underlying cause and structure, maybe it's caused by the invisible vortex, or by momentum coupling between current->B field->charge?? (just an idea)
my 2 ct's
regards
Quote from: alan on December 13, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
F = qvBsin(th) is an interesting phenomenon, if it's rearranged into F/q = VxB (or was it BxV) it becomes an electric force field, E = Newton/Coulomb = Volts/Meter.
This is the topic of Floyd Sweet's "nothing is something" and of the scientific work of Hooper "New Horizons In Electric, Magnetic & Gravitational Field Theory".
This electric field is found to be unshieldable like gravity and Sweet says it's the source of free energy.
Not sure yet what Ufo's experiments prove, but they're of high quality. You, Ufo, could look into the above if you want FE, follow the clues, and come up with an experiment that investigates this motional electric field.
In the end we can only confirm what we can observe, the right hand rule for VxB is very abstract, I assume we don't know the underlying cause and structure, maybe it's caused by the invisible vortex, or by momentum coupling between current->B field->charge?? (just an idea)
my 2 ct's
regards
Very interesting PDF. Thank you for uploading it!
Quote from: stivep on December 04, 2022, 08:31:19 AM
Conclusion:
You don't have Kapanadze and so on. Schematics don't work.
because it is not important how many transistors or discrete elements
is there and what they do.
[/b] The only what is important and counts is:
– where the energy comes from
– what is the mechanism of energy conversion and energy extraction
– if energy is for free (like solar energy) the efficiency, energy density,
and your gain it is not important– you still got more than zero and it is for free.
But what about your Colman tube with its radiation?
I remember this video. ;)
Quote from: alan on December 13, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
In the end we can only confirm what we can observe, the right hand rule for VxB is very abstract,...
my 2 ct's
regards
It was created out of convenience.
The Left Hand rule is equally valid.
Flip the polarities
When the path of magnetism changes,
Regardless of the presence of a test particle, or not
The electric field also changes, as it is a function of the
force that created the magnetism.
Thinking in terms of magnetic asymmetry,
or parametric magnetic configurations:
The electric field becomes tangible.
In symmetrical fields, and those of simple geometry:
the field is not perceived by our current methods,
because it is 'static', not in a state of electric flux.
Faraday mentions electro-tonic state somewhere on the first pages of his original 1st paper.