Hello there, I am new to this forum and I want to contribute my knowledge in Energy amplification machines and systems. This machine can multiplicate input energy more than 70 times ( the ratio of amplification depends on masses size and the speed of rotation. This machine harnesses gravity temporarily at the very beginning of rotation to achieve and maintain synchronization, then centrifugal force takes over and the effect of gravity diminishes quickly as we reach nearly 60 RPMs. I am ready to answer all questions related to this topic. Please take a look at the attachments.
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Hazem
Hello Hazem,
Is this just a theoretical design or do you have a working model?
Looks interesting.
D2
If I would have display 1920x1016 ,I wouldn't need perpetuum mobile. :)
But I have only 1024. This pictures are too big.
In general, this Skinner device resembles. No ?
Quote from: dsquared18 on August 03, 2023, 12:15:04 PM
Hello Hazem,
Is this just a theoretical design or do you have a working model?
Looks interesting.
D2
Hello dsquared18,
It is still a theoretical design, but I am planning to use Autodesk Inventor to test it digitally. This machine needs more explanation to understand it fully, I will post more details soon.
Regards
Quote from: kolbacict on August 03, 2023, 01:36:02 PM
If I would have display 1920x1016 ,I wouldn't need perpetuum mobile. :)
But I have only 1024. This pictures are too big.
In general, this Skinner device resembles. No ?
Hello kolbacict,
I have studied mr. Skinner's machine 5 years ago and found it to be a master piece. Mr. William Frank Skinner is very smart man and his machine is brilliant. Regarding your question, this machine is much more simpler in design and it can be made by anyone at home (DIY). I will post more details soon, and I will try to make my pictures smaller.
Regards
Hello everyone,
The following figures illustrates more about the elliptical orbit along with mass A and the universal bearing that holds mass B lever arm tip. Every figure represent a 90 degrees rotation and shows the new position of mass A and universal bearing. It also illustrates how elliptical orbits generate. The following figures also clarify the elliptical paths of mass A and lever arm tip and how they are perpendicular to each other ( Mass A elliptical orbit (the red one) is shifted 90 degrees from lever arm tip orbit (the blue one). This perpendicularity relation between the two paths is very crucial and essential for this machine to achieve what it was designed for. The centrifugal force of mass A acts as a centripetal force for mass B (the one connected to the lever arm). Without mass A, the drive motor (input motor) will be forced to draw a lot of power to yield such centripetal force and hence the machine will fail to achieve its goal. When mass B locates at the far way of the elliptical orbit (apoapsis), mass A will be at the closest point of center of rotation as shown in the figures, and hence its centrifugal force will be at its maximum strength while mass B at its minimum. I will explain more about this design later Inshallah.
Regards
Hazem
HI BRO IT HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED AND DONE .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y
Quote from: seychelles on August 05, 2023, 05:18:48 AM
HI BRO IT HAS ALREADY BEEN INVENTED AND DONE .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y
Hello seychelles, I hope you are safe and doing well.
There are a lot of differences between this machine and Mr. Skinner's machine. I will not go in such debate because patents is not one of my concerns at the moment. This machine is free to build and use by anyone anywhere in the world. It is completely open source project. I will put more details about it as soon as possible inshallah.
Regards
Nice design and drawings. You're very close to having them into a dynamic simulator that can present test results, it seems? Years ago such tools well available to people with your design skills.
What path does the combined mass of the two weights follow? In a practical sense, would to or more systems need to be combine to balance out? With two eliptical orbits at significant rpm...seems jarring...?
However great an energy system is, it's would be a bit self defying if a 1kg machine needed a ton of mass to kind of hold it steady, or reinforce the cogs and struts to have any sorts of life span.
What phenomenon is to bring in the excess energy? I understand the design aims to extract centrifugal force from one mass to drive the other. How does that create a gain? A centrifugal force of A used to drive B will diminished the kinetic energy of A, would it not? When we stand and hold a heavy barbell in each hand, and around our axis at 20 rpm, and then lift the barbells, our spin will diminish, right? Why would such not happen in the device?
How does 1 W become 70W?
Just makeing 1 W into 1.5 W would be plenty in such a setup, we'd daisy chain and loop the heck out of it and create and energy sigularity of sorts :)
Quote from: Cloxxki on August 06, 2023, 06:01:44 AM
Nice design and drawings. You're very close to having them into a dynamic simulator that can present test results, it seems? Years ago such tools well available to people with your design skills.
What path does the combined mass of the two weights follow? In a practical sense, would to or more systems need to be combine to balance out? With two eliptical orbits at significant rpm...seems jarring...?
However great an energy system is, it's would be a bit self defying if a 1kg machine needed a ton of mass to kind of hold it steady, or reinforce the cogs and struts to have any sorts of life span.
What phenomenon is to bring in the excess energy? I understand the design aims to extract centrifugal force from one mass to drive the other. How does that create a gain? A centrifugal force of A used to drive B will diminished the kinetic energy of A, would it not? When we stand and hold a heavy barbell in each hand, and around our axis at 20 rpm, and then lift the barbells, our spin will diminish, right? Why would such not happen in the device?
How does 1 W become 70W?
Just makeing 1 W into 1.5 W would be plenty in such a setup, we'd daisy chain and loop the heck out of it and create and energy sigularity of sorts :)
Hello Cloxxki, I hope you are doing well.
A lot of questions to answer here. I will try to answer them one by one.
QuoteWhat path does the combined mass of the two weights follow? In a practical sense, would to or more systems need to be combined to balance out? With two elliptical orbits at significant rpm...seems jarring...?
The first part of your question implies that you are misunderstanding some basic concepts of this machine. Mass A and Mass B cannot be combined. Their only relationship is centrifugal and centripetal forces.
Mass A and mass B are completely independent of each other in terms of rotation. At certain time, mass A has more velocity than mass B, and at other instances of time, mass B has more velocity than mass A (This alternating behavior of velocity is dependent on their exact location in the elliptical orbit ). Regarding balance, the machine is completely balanced through 180 degrees of rotation and it is unbalanced in the other 180 degrees (as the above figures imply). To solve this issue, we should add another identical but shifted 90-degree machine to the first one, and those two machines should be connected to the same drive motor (input motor). This design will make this extended machine balanced through 360 degrees of rotation. This machine is not designed for high RPM and frankly it should not be. A maximum of 120 RPM is more than enough, and if you build a big enough machine, you might be able to talk about mega watts of power not kilo watts.
QuoteWhat phenomenon is to bring in the excess energy? I understand the design aims to extract centrifugal force from one mass to drive the other. How does that create a gain? A centrifugal force of A used to drive B will diminished the kinetic energy of A, would it not? When we stand and hold a heavy barbell in each hand, and around our axis at 20 rpm, and then lift the barbells, our spin will diminish, right? Why would such not happen in the device?
This question is logical if the two masses were rotating in circular orbits. The beauty of elliptical orbits is that their masses charge and release energy every quarter of rotation respectively (90 degrees of rotation). So, even if we remove mass B from the system, mass A will release its energy (kinetic energy) anyway when going away from the center of rotation, which as you may have guessed by now, is a waste of resources. If you know planetary science, then you observe that a planet is losing its velocity when it is heading away from its center of rotation (the sun, for example), and gaining back its velocity when it is heading back towards its center of rotation. In short, Mass A will lose its (kinetic energy) with or without the existence of mass B. Drive motor rotates mass A in certain 2 opposite quarters, mass A is charged now with kinetic energy. Mass A releases its kinetic energy in the other 2 quarters in the form of a centripetal force that attracts mass B violently. Mass B reacts quickly to this centripetal force by acquiring kinetic energy and increasing its velocity while heading towards the center of rotation. This reaction of mass B will create a considerable amount of torque on the output shaft.
QuoteHow does 1 W become 70W?
I hope you can now at least have some clues or hints to answer this question yourself. If not, then please wait for the dynamic simulation of this machine which I am planning to make and it will take me some time to be frank with you.
Thanks Hazem for sharing!
Hopefully some similar charts can be simulated. Thank you!
Quote from: panyuming on August 06, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
Thanks Hazem for sharing!
Hopefully some similar charts can be simulated. Thank you!
You are welcome panyuming. Yes, I am planning to make a dynamic simulation using Autodesk inventor and posting the result along with charts similar to yours. But this will take some time since I have to learn how to deal with such technology.
Hello everyone,
I have done digital simulation for the "Elliptical Orbit Drive" to clarify its characteristics even more. I am sorry for the low quality, my computer is somewhat old. I hope you enjoy it.
Regards
Hi Hazem
I built two devices using a similar CF principle. I used bike gears and chain instead of meshing gears (on the larger device I built) In the end I had a problem latching it at 60rpm, which was the ideal speed to lift a suitable secondary weight into over-balance.
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187751#p187751
(Sorry, have to create account at BW.com to see)
Quote from: Tarsier_79 on August 10, 2023, 09:03:55 PM
Hi Hazem
I built two devices using a similar CF principle. I used bike gears and chain instead of meshing gears (on the larger device I built) In the end I had a problem latching it at 60rpm, which was the ideal speed to lift a suitable secondary weight into over-balance.
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187751#p187751
(Sorry, have to create account at BW.com to see)
Hello Tarsier_79, I hope you are doing well.
I believe it is very tricky to keep chains and bike gears in synchronization within the existence of vibrations, not to mention the unstable wooden structure. Please concentrate on hardening the machine's main structure and its stabilization, then you can tackle the next step. Doing that will save you time and protect you from depression .
Thanks Hazem.
I didn't have too much of a problem with the chains.
My smaller and earlier unit with CNC wooden gears which was much stronger structurally, but had a lot more friction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BCY4b2uhbU
No, my big problem was with gravity operated latches at relatively high rotational speeds.
Quote from: Tarsier_79 on August 11, 2023, 12:50:59 AM
Thanks Hazem.
I didn't have too much of a problem with the chains.
My smaller and earlier unit with CNC wooden gears which was much stronger structurally, but had a lot more friction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BCY4b2uhbU
No, my big problem was with gravity operated latches at relatively high rotational speeds.
Hello Tarsier_79,
Gravity is proportional to time and it is inversely proportional to velocity. So, if your machine depends on gravity continuously as long as it is rotating, then this dependency will be an issue as your machine gets higher in speed. Hence, at a certain RPM, your "gravity operated latches" are going to stop reacting eventually, and your machine will not yield what you have expected. On the other hand, if you try to keep the RPM as low as possible, then the centrifugal force will be too low to lift your secondary weight into over-balance. I think it is an issue you have to consider in your next design.
Thanks for the explanations. I'm afraid I can't follow and certainly lack astronomical knowledge to falsify your statements.
As you clearly have great computer drawing skills, why not put the system in a simulator? As you are of the opinion that it's all established principles, the simulation software ought to handily show the surplus you expect.
In the simulation you can try sizes, weights and rpms that would take considerable high level engineering to accomplish in the metal. If truly OU, it will be well worth building to the very more efficient specification, even if it take high grade titanium and carbon fibre alongside tungsten in a super aerodynamic design. Or just inside a vacuum chamber, those get more cost efficient with size.
Can you if needed collab with a simulation draftsman to delay the significant time and resource of a build? Let's see it in the sim!
Quote from: Cloxxki on August 11, 2023, 06:04:46 AM
Thanks for the explanations. I'm afraid I can't follow and certainly lack astronomical knowledge to falsify your statements.
As you clearly have great computer drawing skills, why not put the system in a simulator? As you are of the opinion that it's all established principles, the simulation software ought to handily show the surplus you expect.
In the simulation you can try sizes, weights and rpms that would take considerable high level engineering to accomplish in the metal. If truly OU, it will be well worth building to the very more efficient specification, even if it take high grade titanium and carbon fibre alongside tungsten in a super aerodynamic design. Or just inside a vacuum chamber, those get more cost efficient with size.
Can you if needed collab with a simulation draftsman to delay the significant time and resource of a build? Let's see it in the sim!
Hello Cloxxki, I hope you are doing well.
I am planning to make a dynamic simulation for this design using "Autodesk Inventor" .. I am new to this field of technology, but I have started my journey learning it. In fact, I have made the digital simulation for the "Elliptical Orbit Drive" (which I have posted above) using it. I just need enough time to be able to use this software precisely.
Hello everyone,
I have done a physical simulation for the Elliptical Orbit Drive. Mass A = 3 kg, and the input power is 10 watts. Simulation data and graphical results are in the attachments (Excel). Simulation video available on YouTube through the following URl:
https://youtu.be/yrW7-VV7mq4
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Regards
Hello everyone, I hope you are doing great.
I have converted Excel document into images so that anyone who does not have a Microsoft office or any suitable software can see or analyze the simulation results.
The figures show Position, Acceleration and Velocity respectively. Every variable has its own chart. Then the simulation data (table) is divided into 4 other figures.
Regards
Well done with the simulation!
So...no anomalous results expected in that sim?
Would anyone have reasons why the sim would not pick up on anomalous self acceleration if the physics were to be real for that? I'm drawing blanks.
Building it with well place lights would make for in interesting art piece. But a constant draw of power :)
Hello Cloxxai and every one,
I have done digital simulation for another machine that I have designed recently. The results were amazing and above expectations. The amplification process appears clearly in the following chart and data table. The input force is just 200 N and the output force reaches nearly 42,000 N. This means that output power reaches 200 times input power. Dynamic simulation has been done using Autodesk Inventor. If Autodesk Inventor is not wrong, then this machine can produce more energy than it consumes.