an idea i came up with last night
it is a water vortex generator where you have a big tube and it is filled with water in the center you have magnets in cased in a floting chamber in the shape of a cone and you suck water from the bottom and return back in the top causing the water to whirl pool around making the magnets spinn and around the outside of the tube you have collection coils to collect the current a drawing comming soon
as i said i have many ideas but no money to build them so i will give my ideas away for every one to build
it will take little engery to keep spinning
back to the drawing board yo
is
The power required to pump the water back to the top will be greater than the energy that could be obtained from the waters motion.
agin like my turbine it only takes a little water to keep it spinning a lot at the start but a little after the fact
now if i used many strong magnets and it flots in the water and if i have no steel in my colector coils then will it still require more energy to operate than produce
i dont think so
the steel causes drag from the mags so get rid of the steel it will not be needed any way
for the colector use many and i do mean many peices of fine copper wire in a cone shape like coil
and if put as close as posible to the rotating mags in the water in the tube
i will make a drawing soon as i have time
is
If you use many strong magnets what is to stop them from all sticking together and sinking to the bottom?
ok here it goes
and as i said i have not built this yet but i will
the mags will layed out in a corkscrew fashon and they will be drilled in my cone mags should be around 1" in length and .5 " sticking out the mags work as the fins on a turbine the water grabs onto the mags causing the cone to spin the cone must be air filled so it flots in the water how to achive this is still in thought
this is simple as all of my inventions
or the cone could be made of styorfoam the mags epoxy to the foam the cone should be the same shape as the vortex and sits in side the vortex
we do not need a large volume of water to make this work
in fact the less the better and the faster we pump the water the better the output
also the more and the smaller the mage the better the result
if for some reason this does not make sence
you are thinking way to hard
simple as it should be
is
That is a great description, thankyou. I can envisage your design quite clearly now.
The only thing I'm not clear on now is where the power will come from to pump the water.
it will all depend on the pump i would recomend a 12v pump mabe a winshild squitor from a car as it will consume only a little power and has quite a nice squirt to it and you could use a circuit that is in this area half baked called free engery via electronic means
just another thought the battery would last a long time
is
hers the drawing verry simple drawing but you will get the idea i will post better drawings when i find the time this is only for explanation peropuses just did this quick so i did not leave this hanging
is
looking for thoughts on this as why it will not be ou
is
I do not believe this will ever work. I understand however the idea, but I think a regular waterfall based power plant is the best way to do the energy transformation, and let the sun make sure the water is "pumped" back to the lakes in the mountains.
In other words: The device is already invented, and used as a main source of energy here in Norway.
Br.
Vidar
this that i have posted is my design and has not been copied from any where
and mabe somthing like it does exsist but i can assure it will not be the same as i said this is my idea and my collection coils will be much diffrent than anyone elses
but dont take my word for wait and see!
innovation station
ps thanks for your input
Do you think the diamagnetism of water would effect the opperation of your device? I'm open to the idea that hydrodynamic forces might be better utilized by some other form of power generation than current technology. Lifting water is often used to store power - a very cheap and very inefficient battery. Pumping waste water into a large container that requires little maintence allows storing not only the water, but also the energy required for purification.
Quote from: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 06:06:24 PM
this that i have posted is my design and has not been copied from any where
and mabe somthing like it does exsist but i can assure it will not be the same as i said this is my idea and my collection coils will be much diffrent than anyone elses
but dont take my word for wait and see!
innovation station
ps thanks for your input
Collection coils without a iron core doesn't mean that there will not be sticky points when the coils are loaded. A loaded or short circuit air coil will make resistance to the movement of the magnet which passes it - a sticky point which will slow down the magnet movement. The vortex itself are spinning in a tube that make heavy surface resistance which will slow down the vortex. With these losses, you will never have enough power to pump the water back to the top.
Br.
Vidar
as i said this is a new idea to me so it is verry much work in progress as all of my work
but to give better operation let me apply a frictionless bearing to this set up to allow for faster spin of the turbine thus more output
basicaly add a cylender mag to the point of the cone and a ringmag to the drain
i will add thease additions to the drawing soon so you all can understand
verry similar to the frictionless homopolar generator i designed
is
the more i think about this the more i come up with this generator can be applyed to air forced wind and totaly without water similar to my globe generator with 2 sets of frictionless bearings
agin more on this as i have time
is
Why bother using frictionless bearings? If you're gonna have an output which is greater than the input, to extract useful energy out of it (more then 100% unity), the extra power will give a damn in any friction in a regular ball bearing.
Br.
Vidar
Another problem with water as fuel in an OU device, is that any OU devices theoretically will cool down when not loaded. The water will freeze, and spinning solid ice vortex is not useful to anything anyway.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on March 30, 2007, 06:24:24 AM
Why bother using frictionless bearings? If you're gonna have an output which is greater than the input, to extract useful energy out of it (more then 100% unity), the extra power will give a damn in any friction in a regular ball bearing.
Br.
Vidar
without the use of the frictionless bearings will you get more out than in?
Quote from: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: Low-Q on March 30, 2007, 06:24:24 AM
Why bother using frictionless bearings? If you're gonna have an output which is greater than the input, to extract useful energy out of it (more then 100% unity), the extra power will give a damn in any friction in a regular ball bearing.
Br.
Vidar
without the use of the frictionless bearings will you get more out than in?
Yes, definitely!
If the intent is to get anything more out than you put in, this "anything" would easily run with the friction from the ball bearings. If such motor are not able to handle this small loss, how can you imagine it will output any useful energy at all - even with frictionless bearing?
If you only go for a frictionless rotation, without having any plans to extract anything out of it, you can just make a spinning magnet float in a magnetic field inside a bottle of vacuum. It will spin "forever", but for no practical use.
Br.
Vidar
@vidar what is your intent? with your comments?
you must feel the need to try and prove everything wrong!
ps this was just a thought that i thought i would share
mabe i should just keep my thoughts to myself as you seam to sedjest
wheres your great world saveing invention
im not implying that any of my ideas are
but you seam to like to pick things apart to the max!!
william!!
Quote from: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 11:22:25 PM
@vidar what is your intent? with your comments?
you must feel the need to try and prove everything wrong!
ps this was just a thought that i thought i would share
mabe i should just keep my thoughts to myself as you seam to sedjest
wheres your great world saveing invention
im not implying that any of my ideas are
but you seam to like to pick things apart to the max!!
william!!
William,
My intent is to make better understanding of what our goal are. I have no idea of any ones skills in mathematics, physics and so on, and I apologize if I make you, or anyone else here, sad.
However, if the ideas are never questioned, fragmented, picked apart, no matter who made them, or what the ideas are, one can probably never be able to move forward with new ideas, if the present idea does not seem to work. The problem with development is when one never can be able to see the limitations because of the goal.
There are so many times I have wanted SO BAD a device to work, and because I wanted it so much, I did never see the cause of why it didn't work. Very frustrating, but also very instructive.
So please don't let anything of my post offend you, or anyone else for that matter. Please go on with your ideas even if I question them, and pick them apart. Please see it as a possibility to move on with new ideas, or modify/change your existing ones.
Br.
Vidar
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@ rosphere
have you not done enough?
just leave me be for a bit
im not posting with your work anymore
so why post with mine
you dont want my input so i do not want yours !
and if you truly have an intrest in mine
post somthing that will help all of us
is
To all of you guys:
Make up, and lets look forward.
Peace!
i agree and we are working on that
is
IS,
Thinking directly along the lines of a water vortex generator, I also wondered about this and had wondered where I could get an energy gain. I believe the answer to this question lies in considering an atmospheric portion of the device. In other words use the power of natural evaporation and convection for the "PUMP". That gives us a gain in potential energy by virtue of letting the water rise to an altitude above the ground as water vapor and then condensing and collecting it at altitude and returning to a floating rotor assembly. I think there are multiple ways to convert the potential energy of condensed water at altitude into kinetic energy of motion, compression, and etc. etc. Over the next year I plan on beginning my hurricane generator. Yep....I'm going to try and put a hurricane in jar...........so to speak...........Regards..........Loki.... ;D
Quote from: Loki67671 on April 30, 2007, 06:48:14 AM
IS,
Thinking directly along the lines of a water vortex generator, I also wondered about this and had wondered where I could get an energy gain. I believe the answer to this question lies in considering an atmospheric portion of the device. In other words use the power of natural evaporation and convection for the "PUMP". That gives us a gain in potential energy by virtue of letting the water rise to an altitude above the ground as water vapor and then condensing and collecting it at altitude and returning to a floating rotor assembly. I think there are multiple ways to convert the potential energy of condensed water at altitude into kinetic energy of motion, compression, and etc. etc. Over the next year I plan on beginning my hurricane generator. Yep....I'm going to try and put a hurricane in jar...........so to speak...........Regards..........Loki.... ;D
Water power plants are doing exactly that. Using rivers to extract energy from it.
Br.
Vidar
Vidar.........Agreed,
But what good is that, aside from greedy individuals, if you don't have direct access to the river or stream or your government will not allow alteration of waterways and etc. etc. Yes, I know that this process is already fully functional in nature....nothing new there.........It is also proven, by mother nature, that a hurricane can be engineered in this environment, i.e Earth. When I am successful at sustaining this process in a controlled and contained environment I will deliver the volume of accelerated water necessary to generate power or at least augment the other atmospheric electrodynamic plans I have. Further I will accomplish this without having to be dependent on rivers, streams, lakes, the ocean, regulations and etc. Done correctly I believe this will work, probably the best, in a desert or tropical environment but I'll bet anywhere. I'm going to be working it!!!!!
Best Regards,
Jim
@ lorki agreed
what if it ran on steam and you used a paribolic miror to focous the sun light to a spot to boil the water then turn the generator or if it was alchol it would boil at a lower temp and still create the pressure to drive the cone there so many diffrent ways to end up with an overunity result in my opinion
is
I have designed a water vortex electrical generator. The newest design is called the Vortank and I have purchased Vortank.com to market it. Everyone thinks that the energy required to return water to the top of the tank is greater than that that can be generated. I think otherwise especially if the power of a vortex is as great as they say it is. The Vortank design is still secret and I may get a patent on it. My earlier design is called the Electric Cans and I have posted it at my site ElectricCans.com Please provide feedback The design is in the public domain and can be used by anyone. I don't have the money to build one right now but I will as soon as possible.
The most expensive part of a vortex design is the tank that holds the water. In this design the cost is reduced greatly by the use of two garbage cans. While you can't see the vortex it will be there working for you. The equipment is held up by a two-tiered structure that is height independent. The water from the top tank flows into the turbine that is held up by the bottom shelf and stabilized by a Turbine Guide Ring. Wheels for the flywheels run around a track that is at the bottom of the turbine. The flywheels are connected to the generators by motor belts. The water flows down into the bottom tank and is returned through the water return hose. And the cycle repeats itself...