HI All!
i have some dumb newbee questions that i hope someone can answer.
There seem to be several different ways to split water into H and O.
i am confused as to which methods are the highest producers and most efficiently produce HHO?
So i am looking for help on where i should direct my attentions as it seems senseless for me to reinvent every wheel that did not work in the hopes of figuring out which ones did work.
So from everyones experience on this, which methods or techniques have shown itself to have the greatest potential for 100% or greater efficiency of conversion?
From what i can figure out so far, it looks like the stainless plate stacks and tungsten are on the top of the charts for production efficiency? Am i right so far? Which is better between those 2 if i am right? if not which methods have shown to be the most efficient so far?
My next perplexing question is: when i watch the stan meyer videos he is bubbling the hho and creating pressure. Then through a nozzle he shows it heating something.
why doesnt it explode? isnt he creating hyd and ox mixed together in the form of HHO? i would have thought that the fire would follow it back to the electrolyser.
Another thing is....how much HHO production output is required to run a v8 like in the stan video down the road? I have searched for info on this with no luck. Has anyone run tests on HHO output for various designs to get an idea what it would take to accomplish this?
Next, how come the stan system stays cold during electrolysis? Is cold or hot more efficient?
I hope someone will shed some light on this for me.
First thing to learn is, Stanley Meyer's system is not based on electrolysis.
Tripled
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 04, 2007, 12:25:47 PM
HI All!
i have some dumb newbee questions that i hope someone can answer.
There seem to be several different ways to split water into H and O.
i am confused as to which methods are the highest producers and most efficiently produce HHO?
So i am looking for help on where i should direct my attentions as it seems senseless for me to reinvent every wheel that did not work in the hopes of figuring out which ones did work.
So from everyones experience on this, which methods or techniques have shown itself to have the greatest potential for 100% or greater efficiency of conversion?
From what i can figure out so far, it looks like the stainless plate stacks and tungsten are on the top of the charts for production efficiency? Am i right so far? Which is better between those 2 if i am right? if not which methods have shown to be the most efficient so far?
My next perplexing question is: when i watch the stan meyer videos he is bubbling the hho and creating pressure. Then through a nozzle he shows it heating something.
why doesnt it explode? isnt he creating hyd and ox mixed together in the form of HHO? i would have thought that the fire would follow it back to the electrolyser.
Another thing is....how much HHO production output is required to run a v8 like in the stan video down the road? I have searched for info on this with no luck. Has anyone run tests on HHO output for various designs to get an idea what it would take to accomplish this?
Next, how come the stan system stays cold during electrolysis? Is cold or hot more efficient?
I hope someone will shed some light on this for me.
Quote from: Tripled on May 04, 2007, 01:37:26 PM
First thing to learn is, Stanley Meyer's system is not based on electrolysis.
Tripled
Kool thanks... zero point then?
Hmmm
I don't see this cell Meyers built running a car or a go-cart for that matter.
There seems to be so much wow over this cell . I don't see much HHO at all
considering the huge surface area of the 304 stainless in this cell .
The voltage and amp draw is wonderful but you would need hundreds of these to run a car. So then what would the voltage and amp draw be? Beside needing a 40 foot trailer to run them down the road with you.
Many of us are producing much more HHO in a much smaller series type system then you see in this Meyers cell.Yes we are doing it at higher voltage and higher amps , what does it matter if the engine can provide it comfortably.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-476435316795321630&q=stan+meyers&hl=en
This is of course far from the Hydrogen gun or injector that Stanly conceptualized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clafqu0Xw6E&mode=related&search=
I say this because no one has ever seen the injector because it was never built.He died before it was complete. He did build a centralized system the size of a 55gal drum in which he ran tubes to modified spark plugs and solenoids. There were 2 huge AC motors driven by the output shafts of the transaxle type transmission in his dunebuggy.
The extremely complex hydrogen gun was a very good concept and I believe it to be a working one as I am getting closer to proving that it does and will work.
In my thread High Voltage HHO you can learn how to produce alot of HHO with
outcome you will see right away . Also you will learn why which is more important as you begin to build on with your own ideas having the info needed to do so. It might seem we are reinventing the wheel but so is GoodYear ever year.
We are taking information from all cell types and combining them to find the best and most economical solution , this includes the works of Stanly Meyer.
Meyer's learned from the great John Worrell Keely.It took him a good part of his life to understand a small part of what Keely was talking about.
So if you think a page of drawings and info can bring you to the understanding of how to build such a thing . think again This stuff takes time as it is something that we did not learn all of our lives ,like how to build a wheel which we did learn all of our lives as it is infront of us every day.
Thank you
IronHead
yes i am finding it very difficult to muttle my way through all the different processes and techniques, deciding on my own which were good, bad, or indifferent.
My biggest problem is lack of background as in how much gas is required to run a v8 engine. How much gas are these systems that you all are building putting out now? They look impressive, and frankly the way your tungsten caame to life blew me away. unforunately i am stumped by the problem of how much is being made now with which system, how much is needed, and what happens if the engine backfires.
So i am doing my best to play catch up here and basically am interested in being put on to good data as a starting point. i was not trying to insinuate anyonw here was re-inventing the wheel, i was pointing out how little knowledge i personally have on the subject and it was directed solely at me not you or anyone here.
That is why i am asking for good resoanbly credible references as a start based on exactly what you said, "you are putting out much more than stanley". See i have no way to know that so i kmay have built the stanley device and totally wasted my timel, that is why i am asking these questions.
thanks again!
kkj
Yes I just like the wheel thing so I ran with it pardon the pun .
You could start with what we are doing on HV HHO page 14.
Thing is ,I could answer all or most of your questions but
you still would not understand until you do the hands on build.
I have made it very cheap to build for testing to the finals.
I can not tell you that if you follow my teachings will you run
a car on 100% .
I can tell you that you will get better gas
mileage if you build these cell types . It would be fully up to you to
discover and achieve 100%. I call this a level 10 system.You will learn to build level 10 if you stay onboard . Building it will be up to you.
What happens in an engine is also a complex question depending
the types of Hydrogen and the amounts or balance of Hydrogen and
oxygen.Along with burn control and timing issues that need to be
solved and can be. I learned from Meyer's a way using inert gases
to control the octane of HHO. This I also will be getting into in depth.
We will be going over alot of info and building from that info.
Right to the pint of Water: delivery, pumping ,management,treatment . ...
Cell tech: pulsing , volts amps , magnetic fields, stabilizing, materials the work and dont ....
Engine: timing ,control systems , correct connection types ,Low/ high rpm , top throttle .....
Thank you
IronHead
Kool! Thanks again IH!
Yah i went out and bought some nice acrylic for boxes and ordered the parts to build a few different triggering circuits etc. As much as i like the tpu this and the cold fusion are my focus. Thats great that you are going ot walk us all through it :)