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Dear Friends,

Recent events have opened my eyes to the possibilities.Ã,  Thank you WaveWatcher !!!

If you can put two and two together, you will be successful !!


Ã,  Ã, 1)Ã,  There are a number of signals around us.

Ã,  Ã, 2)Ã,  They have varing degrees of strength and polarizations (V/m, orientation etc)

Ã,  Ã, 3)Ã,  Their source varies,Ã,  Radio Towers, Galactic, Atomic (as in NMR)

Ã,  Ã, 4)Ã,  They can be amplified, without OUR POWER, BUT WITH THEIR WEAK POWER.


I will give you an easy one page reference:Ã,  Ã,  http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws5.htm

And attach a document that perhaps has been mentioned before.

I will leave you with this quote from the page:

QuoteThe basic regenerative circuit is not often used in present day receiver front ends for a number of reasons, the most significant of these being an inherent form of instability.

EM

Please take a look at my recent ramblings.

I SEE SAID THE BLIND MAN!

Heres some wire frames i ran on Quickfeild-Tera analisis that looked promiceing

-this is just a place holder for now-

I will place important images/documents here.

OK ..Thanks for the PDF file good reading ...Mike

Youre getting the idea folks.

Mobius/Coaxial infinity in apparent length.

Earth's mag field is just a storage house.
Suck it dry.

I know how to control mine now! I just hope I don't kill myself trying to get there.

Watch out!

If the light spectrum in the center of the toroid shifts downward or you notice air currents flowing into the center - BACK OFF - SATURATE - OVERLOAD THE DEVICE somehow collapse the fields. If your near power lines you may have problems.

hahahah like me putting 2 tranformers from a flash camera on a LMD triple coil mmmm..big bag effects....it ramps up in 10ns hhehehehe    Oh by the way the trannys were started on 1.5 volt AA battery for ten seconds

(Don't burn a hole in your roof...)

Light speed is not constant - time is not constant - period!

RMF with phase shift sucks if trying to tune for a rotational resonance - ready to start throwing shit - will try "ring counter" made form shift register when they come in - TPU get's digital - ROFLMFAO!!!!!  (almost crying on that one..)

magnetic field can also change electron speed - not just high voltage

BTW - true "mobius" is crossed - wire picture above is "bifilar cancelling" since flded back on self without crossing.  For mobius - half twist inner ring.

Quote from: WaveWatcher on June 21, 2007, 11:24:27 PM
Watch out!

If the light spectrum in the center of the toroid shifts downward or you notice air currents flowing into the center - BACK OFF - SATURATE - OVERLOAD THE DEVICE somehow collapse the fields. If your near power lines you may have problems.

WaveWatcher,  you never cease to amaze me.  Have you experienced these phenomena with your device?

Or are you just extrapolating from your working theory, on what can happen?

Motorcoach1,  I'm going to follow right behind you, but in a slightly different config.

Grumpy, Light speed is constant, what are you talking about?    I'm just joking  :)   

EM

Grumpy,

True on your BTW but if that wireframe is coaxial material he can do the cross connects with shield to center/center to shield

Light speed IS NOT CONSTANT!
TIME IS NOT CONSTANT!
It is only to a fixed observer.

Everything is relative!.

Edison was an idiot.
Westinghouse was a money grabber.
Ther is no such thing as a straight line.

I can go on but you all know I'm insane.

For light phase shift Google magnetic refrigeration.
For air movement Google Lifters and how they really work. ION WIND!

This thing will collect in a Parker Spiral.

And finally All of this was done in the late seventies by MI.

Whether I am cracked or not BE SAFE!

WaveWatcher, I asked you a question.  I would appreciate an answer.   Have you experienced those phenomena with your device or is it theory?

We are full of theory on this forum, but lack short of practical devices.

I am a trained EE like yourself and can spew out lots of theory, but it's useless unless it's backed by an experiment.

Yes, the lifters work on ION WIND, I agree, I built them myself.

Ligh Speed, is NOT constant, as it changes with the medium it flows in, AND IS CARRIED WITH IT.   That is why light gyroscopes (fiberoptic) work.

Please a little bit less rambling, you are starting to sound like a few people on this forum.

We need to focus here folks, we are talking about Regeneration and configurations to implement the TPU.

Thank you,

EM

No, I have not witnessed air flow with my device. It was to unstable to reach that point.

I witnessed the light shift almost 30 years ago in classified communication experiments and in an EMP device I built in my garage about 4 months ago. It was an accident, I didn't expect the vortex.

Yes, by all means - step by step - understand what is going on before continuing.

very good, thank you.  keep us posted with info, but slowly so you don't overwhelm us :)

Folks, lets talk special circuits or placements of coils.

Looking at my special copy below I see 4 coils and assume 2 more in the vertical sections where the magnets are placed.

EM

I'll check back when I can. Visitor asking for me.. MIB? wouldn't that be a crack! and expected from a nut as well!

its some image from the real device from mark? the quality are good!

Yes its seam to use 4 coils but i dont think they are vertical coil its look more like metal core?

Hello all,

red wires = 4 coils with speaker wires
frame = copper plates

Otto

Images came from different forum postings and I cleaned them up a bit.

Interesting take on the plates Otto.

My take is as follows:Ã,  Ã, IRON LaminationsÃ,   

Makes sense, since he is placing a magnet.
Makes sense, since you want to wind coils on an iron core.
Makes sense since it heats up, and in the video, SM touches the device lightly a few times (to check for heat) before he lifts it up off the table.Ã,  Plastic would melt. Copper would not heat up, but iron will, due to hysterisis.Ã,   

But, it doesn't have to be that way.Ã,  This is just common sense, but we might need to think in uncommon ways.Ã,  First things first.

My vision is to develop, or evolve a circuit from these images and the concept of regeneration.

I will start with a circuit that has the 4 coils shown and we will debate each wire connection that we will add to the circuit.Ã,  Pros and Cons.Ã, Ã,  A circuit then can be simulated and we can get instant feedback if we are heading in the right direction.

Eventualy we should have something,

EM

P.S.Ã,  I would cation against "reading" too much from the images.Ã,  We don't know what is hiding in every object.Ã,  We can only make reasonable guesses.Ã,  We can look at what's obvious, like it's circular, 4 visible coils, magnets, double stack (for magnetic flux path?Ã,  for support?)Ã,  etc..Ã, 

Hi EM,
many thanks for these very clear pictures.
Now the question is, do we see just red tape beneath the
bigger wires or is it a fine wire copper coil, so is this some
type of transformer ?

We just have too few informations.

SM should come forward and finally tell us
more about his circuit. Otherwise we should stick
to Otto and Roberto?s discoveries and should try these
first as they are much better documented.

Regards, Stefan.

Hello all,

EM,

Im using a big, 1cm thick copper plate as my heater. It gets sooo hot you cant touch it. What if SM has on this round frame mounted his MOSFET?? This plate(s) as we see them are very hot. The purpose of this plates is to release particles when they are hot. As you see the plate is not only round. This plate has "fingers". Guess why??? To easier release the particles INTO our tornado.

Otto

amazingly clear screenshots .. better than the ones i posted a couple days ago ..

please let us know where we can get the full vid (black frame TPU vid)

devilzangel
..

more i look the images more i see not 4 but 8 coils, 4 with red wires + 4 others in the inner core, something similar to this the Alberto Molina Martinez patent,i begin to suspect this patent seam to be quite similar to the SM device, it use 2 set of coils similar from what we see from this photos

connections are shown in first picture:

appears bifilar - cancelling - as in parallel since end is terminated

In this version, where are collector wires?  Notice black wire connection next to the bifilar red ones.

Rewatch the SM movies. He says over and over the unit does not get that hot.

thank you c0mster,Ã,  I know you're initial take was to use plastic.Ã,  :)

Otto, that's very interesting, I guess non feromagnetic materials can get hot, with supper high frequency and lots of current.

TheOne,Ã,  I agree with you.Ã,  This particular arrangement of the TPU makes a very good case for the Molina Martinez patent.

Oh, by the way,Ã,  Otto, it sounds like you're proposing a ionic tornado, are you?Ã,  Ions are realeased by heat, in vacum tubes, florescent lights, etc.Ã, but not in open air devices at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure)Ã,  Think about this, what will happen to the "vortes in the center" if there are wires?Ã,  Ã, I would think if it operated along those principles, that the center would be free of random white wires and boxes that can slow down the so called "tornado".Ã,  I know there are exotic theories, but we also have to remember, SM said it used "induction".

this is 4 others coil what I put in yellow?

To go out on a limb here, I have been studying Hanz Coler?s Stromzeuger, now there is not to much information on this device. I took all the information I could find and wrote it down as a hint sheet. There seems to be similarities to SM , ?rows of copper plates? and ?flat spools?. ?DC current with a AC frequency?. 2 batteries to get the unit started. ?Separation of charge?, ?magnets used in process.? No real circuit or pulse driver just a main coil to ?excite the unit?. ?Current Receiver to thin parallel isolated wires in spool?. ?Single winding halves?.  Just thought I would throw this out as a brain storming exercise. There may be a connection and there may not be but all avenues are worth exploring.

Cam  

thank you c0mster,Ã,  all avenues are open.

so so far we've discussed a bit about the most obvious object in the video.Ã,  THE PLATES.

I will try to put together a list of the items I identify in the photos, and we can label them and give them a part number.Ã,  Ã, Then we can just refer to the part number instead of inserting picture after picture.

Once we have our part numbers, and the visual placement from the images, then these can serve us to refute or support theories.Ã,  Ã, Sort of like curve fitting a theory to the "data points".

We will explore and debate each item and theory and how it "curve fits" the evidence.

We should also keep in mind the other configurations of the TPU, but I don't have any good pictures of those.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on June 22, 2007, 09:35:51 AM
  I know there are exotic theories, but we also have to remember, SM said it used "induction".

Hmmm, cant really remmeber that.... have you got a phrase that confirms that?

I agree with the stuff in the center....ther cant be much going on in the center else he wouldn't tell us to put all control electronics there.....

regards

Robert

I think that there is a toroid mounted where the meter leads are attached.  Take a look using different views and see what you think.

Quote from: Liberty on June 22, 2007, 11:08:44 AM
I think that there is a toroid mounted where the meter leads are attached.  Take a look using different views and see what you think.

Its not a toroid, its a speaker-wire connector as found in large speakers....
ans on the other side inside the core we can see a tv flyback transformer (for who didn't notice it yet...)
The coils are wound bifilar as said by Grumpy bifilar (terminated at one side, and two wites leading up to the other side of the coil). There are better pictures to see that....

regards

Robert

Look on first page of this thread.

I started including labled images of this toroid.

Quote from: EMdevices on June 22, 2007, 01:36:21 PM
Look on first page of this thread.

I started including labled images of this toroid.

EM hi,

here are a few observations from studying lots of pictures....

tpu2 4b  = tv flyback transformer
tpu2 6b  = 9volts battery

regards

Robert

Robert,  you can't be serious about the TV flyback transformer.  It's too big.

The TPU2_6A and 6B could very well be batteries.

EM

Let's talk about plate TPU2_1AÃ,  and TPU2_1B

The interesting pattern with the 4 knobs and the holes makes me think,Ã,  THEY WERE NOT CUT FOR THE FUNCTION BUT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

1)Ã,  Through one of the holes we see the gray box TPU2_4A, doesn't serve a purpose.
2)Ã,  The top plate has no coils, so it could be for support purposes
3)Ã,  The top plate could conduct flux if its magnetic, is it?


If we can identify an object from which these forms came, we might know the composition.Ã,  Keep your eyes open.Ã,   A spool of sorts?Ã,  Speaker cover support frame?

So far we have:

1)Ã,  Plastic
2)Ã,  Copper
3)Ã,  Iron laminations

I'm more interested in if its magnetic or not.

EM

EMDevices,

On your 'copious free time' you may wish to consider some light reading on Fractal loop theory - especially folded and twisted loops. Not usable at this stage but....

As far as the two rings.. My theory:

Both Fe shaping the fields of the PMs.
Both being separate parts of a different style of primary.
You place a coil wrapping between the middle of a core to the outside - would that then 'twist' the field of the PMs? I don't know but I will find out this weekend.

Would this then be a form of waveguide between the plates?

<wavewatcher account no longer functions - I will continue anyway>

Welcome BEP,

Ok, so we now mention a waveguide.  I'm with you.  If they are metalic (but not necessarily feromagnetic)  we do have a circular wave guide. 

So we jam more and more power into the ring untill the fields build up to high levels.

I'm an open minded guy :)

EM

P.S. Here's another photo I processed.

Hi EM,
nice image processing !
I had seen somewhere also some pictures of this video in
interlace full 720x576 format,I guess it was on the gn0sis.com
ftp site, so I hope you used these to make them clearer
as they were more high res as the video only had 320x240 size.

Now what about the white coating on the outer surface of
TPU2-3A ?

Is this the white cable from the output going there around the magnet ?
So is there this white wire taped around the outer surfaceof this black shell ?
Maybe with black tape, so you can?t see the white cable anymore ?

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Here is the link to EMdevices pictures:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2579.msg36395.html#msg36395

Stefan, Very good question. 

I think the white might be the color of the TPU2_6A  (the leg)    But it could very well be GLARE, or wires and black tape covering the center. 

We'll get to the wires eventualy.  We can do alot with the images.  (I processed the high quality images)

EM

P.S.  Take a look at the image, lots of interesting info. 

Okay, in OpenTPU_sum001.JPG
I can see 10 windings of the bigger coil wire in this red tape
covered coil.
I ask myself, why some claim that this is a bifilar winding ?
I don?t see 2 wires, just one with 10 windings.

Question is, if beneath this 10 turn coil is there another coil ?
So is this a transformer?
Also is there any white wire inside this coil at 90 degrees going around this
circle shell as the output coil wire ?

Maybe if TPU2_3A is not just a white glare but the white wire from these
loose white output cables, then we know, that this is also the white wire
for the collector coils being taped with black tape onto the outside surface of the shell...

Regards, Stefan.

I'm glad you ask.  :)

Look at the offset. 

This would imply to me that it is wider, so it could be the white wire wraped around it, or something else. 

I'm leaning in the direction of 2 vertical coils where the magnets are placed.

EM

@EM, the item you labeled "C" looks like a stack of ceramic magnets, the kind you can get from radio shack.

The gray item to the right is curious, looks kind of like a DC motor, maybe a starter?

well if you browse with windows picture viewer it looks like there is a white wire wrapped around the magnet but i always was thinking it was reflection of the lamps.

Marco

hey marco, at the back side, u can see that winding .. nice catch.

@ EM:
the fact that he is handling the frame with barehands says that there is no electricity/current flowing through those black frames. (everything seems insulated to the touch)

the "stand/leg (6A and 6B)" material looks like compacted CORK or light wood.

EM .. that protrusion (offset) is an illusion if u r talking about horizontal offset in reference to the black frame. .. it is an OUTward protusion illusion , meaning the "wood/CORK" block is only half or less the width of the width of the flat frames. (i am on a computer that doesnt have photoshop, otherwise i would just label it for u). (looking at it the way it is, the "offset" is simply part of the round frame .. it is not to the side, but looks higher than the "leg" , bc the leg is placed towards the inside, it is not flush with the outside dimensions)

on 6B u can see a black "WEDGE" attached to the "leg" .. that may have some purpose since it is underneath "green" (4B) winding component

the WHITE object from where the 2 outpost wires come (4A) seems to be some sort of consolidator or combiner of the charges. i dont know , heck (it could simply be a battery for all i know, it fits the size)

EM .. since u have this much info .. u may want to start a Modeling project in solidworks, or 3ds max ..

I wish i had time .. it seems we are trying to do the same things (to understand the location, and orientation of things in the black frame tpu, in order to have a solid framework (pun intended) from which start an experiment on.)

devilzangel
..

surely there is cork/foam inside this one.
the big speaker magnet is placed right on top of it.
M.

Hi EM,
maybe you can process also the frames that Marco ust posted !
Great source quality by the way.
Are these pictures from Mannix?s raw tape ?

Maybe he could make available the tape again
in full MPEG2 720x576 resolution?


Okay, here is again my question now with a picture, so you might
better understand what I mean.
Is the red circled thing now just glare or is it a white wire ?

Sorry the picture came out a bit dark from my image processing program.

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 22, 2007, 03:29:57 PM

I ask myself, why some claim that this is a bifilar winding ?
I don?t see 2 wires, just one with 10 windings.

Question is, if beneath this 10 turn coil is there another coil ?
So is this a transformer?
Also is there any white wire inside this coil at 90 degrees going around this
circle shell as the output coil wire ?

Regards, Stefan.

when looking at the very clear images .. u can actually see the ridging of the bifilar wire. look at the enlarged image http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2579.msg36521.html#msg36521

i previously thought it was 10-11 windings .. but from that image i can count 14 turns.

the absence of more wire in the center section (i only see 3 or 4 white wires there), makes me wonder how he did the connections on the bifilar... there would be 4 connections per coil.

i still cantt find a reason for the TOP ring .. except for support ..BUT as we have seen from the 15" screenshots, there could be an EMBEDDED wire in the frames.

i think the black frame was custom made.
____________

from what EM said in PM, he doesnt have a video from which he got those images, he is using the images posted on this site, maybe from Mannix.

I would love to get my hands on a high quality video myself. If anybody knows where to get it, please let us know.

devilzangel
..

that white "wire" is also on the other magnet.
M.

i checked the download section of gn0sis .. no video there.

if it is a wire it probably enters the ring here.

and then we have this verry strange thing....

@marco .. i dont think it is a reflection .. or a wire .. it looks like a plating (OR a glue) .. between which there is the "black" plates .. could be a mini transformer of some kind.


it is connected! .. the bifilar wire is one wire double folded??? so it looks like "bifilar" ??? ... maybe he is using Bifilar wire .. BUT connecting wire 1 to wire2

devilzangel
..

well he always energizes them with a magnet....which reminds me of EM's video with the blocking osc... that was a good video.

take that and add that we need two seperate controllable DC sources, and it's starting to look like two EM's video buck boost blocking circuits.

Marco.

TPU 6A and TPU 6B, I think these are electronic components (capacitors, resistors etc) shrink wrapped in brown tubing. I've seen heat shirnk wrap tubing this colour, the same matt/satin finish, also note on some of the pictures how it appears to mold around the what is inside. Also at the bottom, the edge appears to roll over, shrink wrap tubing does exactly this.

TPU2-4A - I'm certain this is a fluorescent light starter. See attached composite image.

This is a quote from how stuff works:

"The glow tube incorporates a switch which is normally open. When power is applied, a glow discharge takes place which heats a bimetal contact. A second or so later, the contacts close and provide current to the fluorescent filaments. Since the glow is extinguished, there is no longer any heating of the bimetal and the contacts open. The inductive kick generated at the instant of opening triggers the main discharge in the fluorescent tube. If the contacts open at a bad time, there isn't enough inductive kick and the process repeats."

As SM says you start off with one kick which then builds into many thousands of kicks. This is the ideal component to generate the starting kick. 9volt battery goes to the starter and then to a coil of fine wire (with say a magnet core) - the collapsing field generates the first kick that starts everything off.

hi Bob :)
I think youve mentioned that before about the fluorescent light starter.
untill now i was thinking the device had two 9 volt battery's one under the magnet and one where the starter is.
i have opend one up and does contain a bulb like bi-metal bulb and a capacitor.

Marco

The little device Marco asked about that is connected to ?

That is what used to be called a Top-Hat rectifier. A proud design of International Rectifier. It could be a garden variety replacable with a 1n40xx series or it may be an avalanche diode or zener. If it is connected to the top end of bif' windings of the same coil it may be a simple rectifier. Hmmmm.. that alone would produce some ringing if energy was induced from the core or another winding.

I'll just throw these two things out here. They are two different ideas I have contemplated for many months, and have mentioned them before (some may remember). Two possibilities for the makeup of the open TPU:

1) It seems no one has considered that this unit may be comprised essentially of qty 4 of the first 25W device SM demonstrated, that he pulled out of the case. I believe that the open device is quoted to have an output power of about 100W.

We see a few distinct similarities:
- There is a 1:1 transformer (the bifilar winding) (therefore, black ring in open unit would be ferromagnetic)
- Control/Collector coil set is capped by upper and lower metallic frame or plate
- Control/Collector coil set is wound 90? to each other as SM said, but in this case, looks more like a solenoid in shape.
- There may be more similarities...anyone?

One difference however, would be that the starter magnets would be placed on the Control/Collector coil instead of the 1:1 transformer as in the 25W device.

2) The black ring may in fact be the Collector coil, and the red bifilars the controls. This is more in line with how SM told us to make the device. The black ring appears to be continuous all the way around, but it could conceivably have an air gap...maybe, maybe not.

How is the potential tapped then you ask? The answer to this may be the secret to the entire device. One SM comment that has always really intrigued me was that "one must find the circuit potential in order for electrons to flow".

Look at a close up of the larger TPU where the fuse holders are at the back. You will notice a rather thick, black bar-type wire where the tape is cut away. Could this be the equivalent of the black ring? Maybe it is simply there as a structural component.

The 4 inner coils (well we assume they are coils) would then be the 1:1 transformers as in the 25W device.


The 25W device appears to be the simplest of them all. We just can't see any detail of what makes up the center part. I have determined however, that as I mentioned above, the upper and lower caps are in fact a sprocket of some type. If viewed closely, one can quite easily see the points, and the white silicone SM ran along them, presumably to prevent injuries. These caps are metallic folks.

Could this be the "bailing wire" he mentions in the video though? Bailing wire here meaning "thrown together with what was around", not in the literal sense.

Food for thought perhaps.

Regards,
Darren

^^ interesting incites Z_P_E

i think #2 seems to make more "sense" .. lol .. i think the black frames might have 2 wires per ring ..

@marco .. the starter bit is pretty interesting

devilzangel
..

There appears to be 9V battery taped to the small TPU. Note how simple this TPU appears to be, no visible electronic circuitry unless its hidden within the coil windings. What are the protrusions at intervals around the top of the toroid?

Thinking from the viewpoint of simplicity, I know that it is possible by using the miniature oscillator circuitry driving a cheap throw-away camera flash powered from a small 1.5V penlight battery to briefly flash a 240V / 100W light bulb. Say SM duplicated these oscillators and fired them on a sequential electronic switch, with each oscillator driving a small coil around the toroid. The oscillators could be imbedded within the coils. If enoough flashes could be produced, then possibly the bulb may appear to be evenly illuminated for a long enough period to demonstrate on video.

I realise this idea sounds a bit crazy but I felt it was worth sharing.

Regards
Clive

I did it !!!

I did it !!!

I did it !!!

I'm getting out 3 times the energy I'm putting in !!!


Stay tuned .... all info is comming.

EM

Good Man EM,

Take your time, catch your breath...Document well!

LOL

Happy Days!
Bruce

Quote from: EMdevices on June 24, 2007, 09:18:04 AM
I did it !!!

I did it !!!

I did it !!!

I'm getting out 3 times the energy I'm putting in !!!


Stay tuned .... all info is comming.

EM

WHOOHOO  :o........EM we're waiting....... ;D
congrats man!!

Robert

Input power:

12 Volts at 0.05 Amps = 0.6 watts Ã,  Ã, (continuous power)

Output power:

Train of spikes occuring at 10 kHz.
Each spike (see picture: Ã, 50 volts/div, 1 us/div.) Lightbulb when hot has 170 ohms resistance Ã, (when cold only 30 ohms, so don't be fooled)

When integrating across all 10,000 spikes in one second, I get about 3.6 watts:

So

COP = 3.6/0.6 = 6 Ã, 


I'll append a video soon.

EM

P.S.Ã,  Previously I thought my spikes were occuring every 5 kHz, but I was wrong.Ã, Ã,  So I get more power output, 6x instead of 3x.Ã, Ã,  Just clearing things up for the doubters.Ã,  :)

Hi Em,

That looks very good. I am just not sure what setup you have used.....I might have missed something but could you please explain or even better draw your setup?

Thanks alot!

Robert

Congratulations EMdevices!

For a more accurate measurement I would suggest a non-inductive effect resistor instead of the lightbulb. As you already mention the bulb has a dynamic resistance - so in order to minimize any possible measuring faults a fixed resistor would be better imho.

Can you share any details about the setup?
Pictures and schematics would be lovely  ;D

Good point Thedane,  I'll find a 4 watt resistor and try that soon.  Let's hope its not the inductance which is pretty small but not zero.

EM

P.S.  Note, if this is for real, then its the earth magnetic field that gets displaced from the ferrite, and when it snaps back, it AIDS the backEMF, or flyback voltage.  My transistor and small coil run COOL    ;D

EM:
That is so COOL!

chrisC

All along I've been thinking,Ã,  nah, these things are just DC to DC converters.

But, my setup uses the ferrite, and as I showed before, it gets affected by the earth's magnetic field.

So today I decided to INTEGRATE the energy since the spikes were so niceÃ,  :)

And lo and behold,Ã,  I was sitting on OU all alongÃ,  Ã,  :)

EM

Hi EM,

to see id really it is the earths magnetic field that is doing this you could maybe try a few simple things:

1  Are the output pulses direction sensitive. I mean the earths magnetic field has a specific direction, do the outpulse change when you turn the blocking oscillator?

2 can you shield the transformer? does the effect disappear?

Hope this can help to determine if it is the real deal.....

good luck! (and keep us posted.... ;) )

Robert

no shit  ;D

i have alot of ferrite dude  :)

and again that blocking oscillator....
M.

Here's the spike train, they occur every 100 micro seconds so the frequency is 10000 spikes in one second.

I just hope my math is not way off, or I will "kick" myself all day.Ã,  Ã, Ã,  Ha HaÃ,  :)


Marco, do you have your blocking oscillator working?Ã, Ã,  I'm currious to see what other people get.Ã, Ã,  I must do the resistor test, but even resistors have some lead inductance, hmmmm.Ã,  Ã, Ã,  What I need is a power meter based on THERMAL ENERGY.Ã,  That's what I need.

EM

Hi EM,

If indeed you do have over 3 watts output, with only 0.6watts input, closing the loop with most of it to spare should not be a problem!  This test will confirm over any other!

If a transformer is connected as the load, with a bridge rectifier and a suitably large cap, you may well be able to loop this unit.

Waiting on more results!


Regards,

Dave.

Great Job EM

I hope you can share your setup so I can try to recreate the results as well.

Cam

Hi EM and all,

Just a thought...  If indeed this is correct, the 3.6 watts output could feed the input of a second unit, and that could output perhaps 6 watts, then that feeds a 3rd which outputs 12 watts, then the output of that goes to the input of the 1st one...

Dare I say, runaway!  And if they are arranged in a circle, then RMF effect as each coil set pulses!  The nature of this will build in speed by itself too, winding up!


D.

Thanks guys,  

c0mster,  I already posted my diagram when marco asked, can't remember what thread.

Dave,  I'm already thinking about this.

Here's the difficulty.

The higher the voltage the more the power.   P = V^2 / R

So if we don't load the output we won't get the energy.  It's as simple as that.

Imagine that you need to move 1 Columb of charge in one second.  If you move it across a 1 ohm resistor you have 1 Amp x 1 Ohm = 1 V  =>  1 watt.

But if you move it across 100 ohms,  then you have 1 Amp x 100 ohm = 100 V => 100 watts.

I need to find a way to capture as much of this as possible.  But how?   Another Inductor?  And then let that one discharge into a capacitor?

It's wierd, it might be something that only manifests itself across resistive loads.  I hope not.

EM

wow Dave, you're brilliant !!!

QuoteJust a thought...  If indeed this is correct, the 3.6 watts output could feed the input of a second unit, and that could output perhaps 6 watts, then that feeds a 3rd which outputs 12 watts, then the output of that goes to the input of the 1st one...

Dare I say, runaway!  And if they are arranged in a circle, then RMF effect as each coil set pulses!  The nature of this will build in speed by itself too, winding up!

This is what the TPU could be,  a series of stages in a LOOP.

EM

EM,

What is the coil resistance the transistor is driving? A scope shot of the transistor base would tell a lot.

How did you measure the current being supplied?

5mA supply seems very low.

Darren

well i still need to build the oscillator but i did save the circuit if this is which you mean...

Marco

Hi EM,

Could I suggest, instead of getting a 4 watt resistor, instead use a 2 watt resistor.  If need you do have 3.6 watts output, and you can only dissipate 2 watts it should burn out if you have more power, on the other hand, if it doesn't burn out or get hot, then you can know the power is not that high.


D.

Guys, I have no doubts this thing outputs about 3 watts. 

That lightbulb gets hot and I can't hold it, also my carpet starts to smell after a while, it's being burned.

EM

okay, i will replicate this imediatly.

Marco.

Hi EM,

I assume you have added a resistor to that circuit (after the main coil) because if you connect that to a higher current supply (with only 45 turns), other than a little solar panel, its almost a short!  When I build one before I got 30-50v spikes, but I wasn't looking for extra energy at the time!


D.

Testing for OU by burning your carpet???  Different..... ;D

Darren,

It's 50 mA, not 5 mA.

QuoteHow did you measure the current being supplied?

5mA supply seems very low.

I measured the voltage with a voltage meter WHEN OPERATING.

I measued the amps with the same meter BEFORE it gets to the smoothing capacitor, so inbetween the transformer (which has its own smooting cap inside) and my smoothing cap. Ã,  With a scope, the voltage is a SOLID LINE, no fluctuations, so it's very accurate !!!

Why do you want to know the base voltage waveform? Ã, I was showing that in one of my videos. Ã, Have a look, it's somewhat sinusoidal, but its a composite of the different picewise segments representing the stages of operation: rampup, discharge, etc..


EM

Ok Guys,

Here's my blocking oscillator.   A one transistor elegant circuit !!!

So, instead of the battery I placed a 40 watt lightbulb !!!

EM

Thanks for the diagram EM.

Can you say, what thickness of wire and what is the PNP transistor?


Thanks,

Dave.

I can not say because I don't know.Ã,  Marco asked the same thing.Ã,  

The writing on it is dim or erased or I'm blind.Ã,   However, you don't need a PNP.Ã, 

The diagram marco posted (the yellow color one)Ã,  is the original that inspired me, and they use an NPN.Ã, 

Someone on this forum had posted that link when I originally discovered for myself the oscillator.Ã,  Thanks to whoever that was.

EM

Hi EM,

I guess the transistor is not so important, however if it does turn out to be important, perhaps you have access to a component analyser at work?

Whats your next stage?


D.

I think it behaves very simular to NTE2343 (NPN)Ã,  or NTE2344 (PNP)

I measured the base current amplification constant, and I want to say it was under 100, maybe 70,Ã,  the NTE2344 shows 20 for the h_fe constant.

The inductor I pulled from a monitor board, and then I added a few turns to it of pretty thick wire (cause that's all I had around, but it can be small for the trigger circuit works with small currents)

These are not hard to build Dave.

The hardest thing is to get the right capacitor and resistor in the base circuit.Ã,  I played around with these untill I got something that worked for me.Ã,  If you use too drastic values it might not start to oscillate, but that is pretty rare in my experience.

Right now, I'm going to take a breakÃ,  :)

I've been up till 3 in the morning with excitement, slept for 4 hours and now I'm back at it, but I'm getting tired so I'm going for a walk, a good meal, and a nap.Ã,  :)


EM

Ok EM,

I still have the coil I wound for my blocking oscillator before and I have various cores laying around, won't take long!


D.

okay i got it to work, i need to fix the value of the resistor because when i fire it up it starts to sing and imediatly shoots up to about 70Khz and the voltmeter is set to 600 Volts and it goes off scale so i need to tweak it abit.

Marco.

Wow, pushing 600 Volts are we.   Ha  Ha    :)

Going for that 100x   OU factor right?

Enjoy guys,

I'll be back soon.

EM

Marco,

Here you can move a magnet nearby to change the permeability of the core and change the frequency, but this may mess with the "EM effect" I guess!



D.

Quote from: -[marco]- on June 24, 2007, 01:06:10 PM
okay i got it to work, i need to fix the value of the resistor because when i fire it up it starts to sing and imediatly shoots up to about 70Khz and the voltmeter is set to 600 Volts and it goes off scale so i need to tweak it abit.

Marco.

Marco,

What transistor and diode did you use?

Robert

(Dutch:Heb jij skype?)

At this point I wish I had Skype (I know you weren't asking me).

A Simple battery charger circuit and battery as load works well. Use the battery to feed your electronics.
Soon you'll be up at 3AM after waiting a week for the battery to run down, wondering if you are nuts while that blasted light bulbs stays lit and hot.
The little I know about EM he will maintain a cool head, unlike I did.

Yes, Indeed. This is more perturbation of an existing field. I did it by perturbing Neo's - still not a good idea, yet. The missing controller was my main problem.

Congrats Folks! Excellent work!

@ dave it does react to a magnet.

it speeds up from about 40Khz up to 71Kz and it just keeps hanging there, now i need to put a load on it to see if it does put out real power because i know the volatge normaly drops down when loaded.

@dutchy

I used a tip 35c they are used in high quality audio amps and the diode is a c852.
but i have TONS of parts so i can try all sorts to experiment with.

I don't have a skype.

i will try to post a vid and the little coil next to the osc coil is a pickup coil connected to my mic input so you can hear the sound but it cuts off because the frequency goes too high.

Marco

hmm it's a bit of a weird circuit because i loaded it and the frequencey dropped down to about 35Khz but it did lite the bulb, but not that much and now after the load test it doesn't even go over 40Khz so i assume i drained the battery...fast.

i think this is a potential circuit and i will examine it further because it does show varable frequency's which are magnetic field environment dependend. :)

Marco.

Marco,

I suggest you try and use a power supply for now and measure the input power. I read that the frequency of blocking oscillators depends (partly) on the voltage. Have you got a scope to view the output spikes?

Robert

p.s. Maybe it is a good idea to install skype so people can come and see what you're doing and maybe help real time....

yes i have but i will need to get it out of the box  ;D
as you might know i hate scopes..
and i need to install the software ,but i will give it a go  :)

Marco

Quote from: EMdevices on June 24, 2007, 12:25:44 PM
Darren,

It's 50 mA, not 5 mA.

QuoteHow did you measure the current being supplied?

5mA supply seems very low.

I measured the voltage with a voltage meter WHEN OPERATING.

I measued the amps with the same meter BEFORE it gets to the smoothing capacitor, so inbetween the transformer (which has its own smooting cap inside) and my smoothing cap.   With a scope, the voltage is a SOLID LINE, no fluctuations, so it's very accurate !!!

Why do you want to know the base voltage waveform?  I was showing that in one of my videos.  Have a look, it's somwhat sinusoidal, but its a composite of the different picewise segments representing the stages of operation: rampup, discharge, etc..


EM

Sorry, I got my decimal places confused. Anyway, 50mA seems more reasonable, but it still may not be correct if I understand your measurement.

So if I understand correctly, you placed the ammeter in series, and monitored the voltage with the scope while reading the amps?

If so, then this could be giving you false readings..why?

You know that measuring a voltage from a supply does not indicate current levels being supplied. The voltage does not have to drop to indicate current is getting used.

What needs to be measured is the current, and I wouldn't trust a meter with anything other than 60Hz sines, or straight DC.

Since you are measuring a pulsing circuit, the current supplied will be pulsed as well, and one accurate way to measure this is with a series shunt, and scope. A meter is no good here.

Also, you did not mention if the ammeter was set to DC or AC amps. That will make a marked difference as well.

---

I got about the same for your output calculation.

Check the input power a little closer, and I think you'll find it's higher than what the meter is reading.  :)

Darren

Quote from: -[marco]- on June 22, 2007, 04:53:52 PM
and then we have this verry strange thing....

Phase cancellation.

--giantkiller.

Quote from: bob.rennips on June 22, 2007, 08:27:36 PM
TPU2-4A - I'm certain this is a fluorescent light starter. See attached composite image.

This is a quote from how stuff works:

"The glow tube incorporates a switch which is normally open. When power is applied, a glow discharge takes place which heats a bimetal contact. A second or so later, the contacts close and provide current to the fluorescent filaments. Since the glow is extinguished, there is no longer any heating of the bimetal and the contacts open. The inductive kick generated at the instant of opening triggers the main discharge in the fluorescent tube. If the contacts open at a bad time, there isn't enough inductive kick and the process repeats."

As SM says you start off with one kick which then builds into many thousands of kicks. This is the ideal component to generate the starting kick. 9volt battery goes to the starter and then to a coil of fine wire (with say a magnet core) - the collapsing field generates the first kick that starts everything off.

A teeny, tiny spark gap. There are also two on the back of the SM17 in a fuse package.

--giantkiller. Hmmm...

well i tried to get is as clear as possible and this is what it gave me...
Marco.

30mV/div  :-\

Thats loaded down I take it?


D.

Marco,

If I look at your video i see that you're using a toroid transformer? I'm not sure if that is gonna be any good for this. The toroid will trap all flux in the core and will probably not disturb the earths magnetic field at all!
Also what darren just said about the input power being measured properly is important before we jump to conclusions.
And last but not least I think its better to adjust your circuit to the way EM build it (with the PNP transistor)

Hope this helps!

Robert

Quote from: CTG Labs on June 24, 2007, 02:44:33 PM
30mV/div  :-\

Thats loaded down I take it?


D.

yes offcourse it is!!

i have one scope only...

@dutchy

i will change the ferrite ring, but it did react when i placed a magnet nearby.
what form of core would function best in this setup?

i have many pieces of ferrite.

Marco.

Hi EM,
great results, but can you please again let us know exactly,
how you measure the input power ?
Do you use any low pass filter to measure really a DC input current ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: -[marco]- on June 24, 2007, 02:58:34 PM

Quote from: CTG Labs on June 24, 2007, 02:44:33 PM
30mV/div  :-\

Thats loaded down I take it?


D.

yes offcourse it is!!

i have one scope only...

@dutchy

i will change the ferrite ring, but it did react when i placed a magnet nearby.
what form of core would function best in this setup?

i have many pieces of ferrite.

Marco.

I would just use a straight round piece ( a rod) and wind on there. Have a look on EM's picture you can see it there. It is Just tiny....
Try that first then you can still switch to PNP after (if you want).
Also before you put to much time in, scope the input power. Put a shunt in series and measure over it to determine the input current. Coz I don't trust EM's input power (yet), as Stefan said too.

Robert 

okay, thanks :) will do.
i have some of the o'l am reciever ferite rod antennas  ;D
I will try that first.

Marco

*i got experiment fever again :D

Ok everyone, I just got in from work and rigged this up quickly.

Firstly I could not get the bulb to light.  But secondly if we look at the bulb signal we can see 70v spikes across a cold fillament of 373 ohms.

The input current using a Fluke 189 is around 180mA@12v.

However, if instead we insert a 1ohm resistor in series with the battery and use the scope with one channel across the battery and the other across this shunt, we get a whole other story on the current drawn....


D.

Dave,

Hi, thanx for testing this.
Does it look like your oscillator is running really slow? I see spikes at around every 250 us?
Have you worked out the current drawn according to the shunt measurements?

Robert

btw Is this EM's midified circuit with the pnp?

Hi Rob,

The oscillator runs around 4Khz.  I used the same PNP circuit as EM except I used a coil I already had from another blocking oscillator.

I have not worked out the current using a full integration, but we can see 30 amp peak surges so I dont see any point in going further, it says it all.


D.

Yep, I see it now the surges convert to just under 1 amp (20-30 surges would fit one division). Well this can be shelved too.... as i said before it seemed too simple to be true....

Robert

Quote from: dutchy1966 on June 24, 2007, 04:23:25 PM
Well this can be shelved too.... as i said before it seemed too simple to be true....

I wouldn't shelve it quite yet--give EMDevices a chance to clarify his input power measuring method, and confirm/deny that CTGLabs' circuit is the same as the one he has been working with. 
Personally, from what EMDevices has said, his input power measurements are correct.

As they say, the devil is in the details. ;)

Hi,

If I was to go on just my DMM for the current input, its not so different than EMs.  But you can't use a DMM for pulsed measurements like this.

There maybe something else going on with EMs circuit, afterall what do I know?

It is just my personal opinion that if/when EM reads the current input using his scope which I am sure he will do later when he wakes up that he will see the same.

If he doesn't and he shows something else then that will be a nice surprise!

Perhaps Marco can also perform this input measurements too.


D.

Hi Dave,
i have reread EMdevices posting and he said,
that he had a 1000uF smoothing ( lowpasfilter) cap
in his circuit, see here C2:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D2579.0%3Battach%3D9931&hash=4c980f3a7fd52476286f0a147b0aea827b8cf23d)

Also he has a cap in his powersupply unit and he said, that the input current
was a flat line, also on his scope.

So Dave, did you also use an input cap, so you could just measure
DC current into your circuit ?
I don?t see a big cap in your circuit board.
Please try one and try to smooth out the input current to a real DC value.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

No, I did not, EM said it wasnt necessary and I was running from a 4Ah battery not an mains adapter.

But I will try this also.


D.

Well Stefan and all,

I have connected again the circuit with 1000uF cap across the suppy, in this case the current drawn seems more inline with that off the DMM readings, however still we can see 1amp spiked current peaks.


D.

Hi Dave,
maybe this smoothing cap is very important.
Maybe it is also getting some spikes from the output into it,
so the realinput current is lower than in your scope shots...

As EMdevices did say, his input current was a flat line,
when he probably hooked his scope across the ampmeter
and the ampmeter also showed only DC input without fluctation,
then I would trust him, that it really
was smoothed out enough, so he really only had DC current flowing
into the circuit, as the 1000 uF cap smoothes out all spikes.

So, yes, please try it also with a big cap
and measure the current directly at your battery.

Stefan,

Please see my last post post...


D.

Quote from: CTG Labs on June 24, 2007, 05:12:23 PM
Well Stefan and all,

I have connected again the circuit with 1000uF cap across the suppy, in this case the current drawn seems more inline with that off the DMM readings, however still we can see 1amp spiked current peaks.


D.

Hi Dave, do you have a choke somewhere lying around ?
Try to connect: Battery plus pole -> ampmeter -> choke-> 10.000 uF cap to ground -> input to blocking osc circuit
and measure again the current draw.

Many thanks.

Dave, the area of your input current spikes positive area are almost as big as the negative
going spikes, so I guess if you use a choke and a real good big el.cap at the input you
should really have a steady input DC current with no spikes on it and then
please compare again.

Still better would be using 2 caps and the choke between it:

Battery plus pole -> ampmeter ->  10.000 uF cap to ground -> choke-> 10.000 uF cap to ground -> input to blocking osc circuit

Ok Stefan,

Here is the same with 1000uF cap and small choke.  Thats it for now, its getting late here.

I think we can see now what EM says.


D.

Ok,

Last one of the night.  Here is better supply using two caps and a choke.


D.

Hmm?
Why do you have at all any spikes now on the input line ??
The choke and the caps should really supress these spikes, I guess
you made something wrong...

You must measure between the battery and the first cap .
There should just only be DC input current , no spikes at all...

Clearly I do something wrong Stefan, perhaps better left to some one more qualified such as yourself.


D.

Hi Dave,
did you measure here ,where I wrote ampmeter ?

Yes Stefan,

I measured where you have written ampmeter and I have also measured on the negative line as well.


D.

But from your
outputscope4.JPG
one can see, that the positive and negative pulses on input line
integrate out to a steady same value as the other input current,
so if you would use still a better lowpassfilter, then you really
have a flat input current as the  input current shows in the time interval,
when there are no pulses..

So it is just a matter of LC lowpass filtering.
There is not much more energy drawn
during these pulses as your
outputscope4.JPG
clearly shows now.

Well,

I have done a very basic maths on it, and it tells me 1.6 watts output and around 1.62 watts input.  They are too close to say anything else at the moment.

I will shelve this now and wait for EM to come back to us.


D.

I'm back and I see people hard at work :)

Here's the video I promised.

Unless my instruments are lying to me, this could be for real.Ã, 

EM

Hi EM,
are you sure your ampmeter is not showing 0.49 to 0.50
amps ?
Then it is an input power of about 6 Watts !

Hi Stefan,

It's showing .050.   I just hope it's not the dam ampmeter.  You guys are getting me paranoid now.

Let me go do more tests.

EM

P.S.  Ok, paranoia is good  :)   Here's a picture of the amp measurement.

Quote from: EMdevices on June 24, 2007, 06:54:05 PM
Hi Stefan,

It's showing .050.   I just hope it's not the dam ampmeter.  You guys are getting me paranoid now.

Let me go do more tests.

EM

Good engineers are always paranoid  ;)

I really hope your instruments are correct; this seems to fit a lot of SM's words.

EM:

Do you have an analog ammeter you could use instead?

chrisC

No I don't.  And I don't have a small ohm resistor either, so I can scope the voltage across it and figure out the current flow.

EM

P.S.  I guess if you click on the image it shows it bigger, because I was wondering why it's not showing as large as I posted it.

Em,
what is the scope showing, if you use a 1 or 10 Ohm shunt ?

Please show a scope shot if you can and let usknow,what
shunt you are using.

2. When you get the magnet near the
coil and thebulb is getting brighter, does
the input current rise then also much ?

Thanks.

If you don?t have a shunt, use your digital ampmeter as the shunt and put your scope
across it.

If you change the amp scale inyour digital meter, does it still show 0.05 amps,
also on the 10 amps scale or 200 Milliamps scale ?

Hi guys,
Fantasctic EM!
Im worried and excited...

I am almost never negative....except when it come to digital *(&^( instruments!

It would be ironic if it were that simple......

my first "Overunity" measurement was taken with a digital multimeter  They are only good for measuring battery volts...with nothing else connected.

Really I hope that it is right...

Lindsay

Changing the scale shows the same 50 mA draw, Stefan.

Putting a magnet close to it, changes the current draw,  goes higher or lower.

I'll have to do the scope shot later, I got to run to the store now.

EM

P.S.  I hear you Lindsay,  I don't trust them myself.  I don't know what to trust when it comes to OU    Ha  Ha  :)

Hi EMdevices,

Just put a bifilar coil, thin wire, 100 turns, in series with your device and measure the input current using your scope and resistance of the bifilar coil. A general rule, if you scope shows current and voltage noise/pulsation below the base level by at least one order (10 times) you can believe you measurements. The output has to be rectified and filtered, with the same rule as above.

Kames.

Quote from: CTG Labs on June 24, 2007, 06:12:04 PM
Well,

I have done a very basic maths on it, and it tells me 1.6 watts output and around 1.62 watts input.  They are too close to say anything else at the moment.

I will shelve this now and wait for EM to come back to us.


D.

Thanks for your measurements and patience Dave ;)

Darren

@Emdevices,


On the second thought, there is a simpler test for your device. Get a fresh 9V battery and leave you device working over night or notice how many hours it can work before it dies. If it really takes only 0.05A, it should survive for a very long time, I guess, for a couple of days. In either way, it would give a pretty good estimation. If the current is high, that 9V battery in your movie would die very fast when overloaded.

Kames.

%$@#?*^#)!Ã,  Ã,  blastedÃ,  multimeter !!!!Ã, Ã,  >:(

I'm afraid I figured out the problem.Ã, Ã,  Damn multimeter shows the result off by a factor of 10.

I hooked up a 1.2 Volt battery and placed a 10 ohm resistor as the load and measured the amps,Ã,  and I got 0.012 amps,Ã,  it should be 0.12 amps.

What kind of a wird ass engineer designed these things?Ã, Ã,  Maybe I should stick to what I'm good at and let the technicians play with the scopes.

Sorry guys, I apologize.Ã, Ã,  The euphoria was great, now I have to pay for it.Ã, Ã,  Big sigh !!

Oh well, onward we go.

EM

EM:

Well, we're disappointed as well. Blasted digital meter! You're quite sure you're 1.2V battery has not discharged to 0.12V? One last hope!

cheers
chrisC

Well, you never know, my volt meter could be off by 10 as well. 

I'm calling it quits for a while.

Back to the drawing board.

EM

Thanks EM!
at least we did not have to wait long!

some people take months.....and then wont come clean..

BUT! I would not give up on the blocking oscillator...
3 of those coil pairs  in a ring, superimposed 1a 3b 2a 1b 3a 2b..if you see the merry go round..

Remember the Carl Hurst DOC?

*(&*(&^*(^*(^&*^digital meters!!

Lindsay

it definitely has a tendency to be effected by magnetic fields. even low intensity ones.

You can change the frequency when it's hooked up to a tpu style winding simply by waving your hand over it.

Pretty interesting they are, but ultimately not OU.

In one of our hive mind sessions we had a similar moment of amazement. Ultimately it turned out that the power was coming from supply however.

This was with ottos 50 turns setup. After that ended up not working, we started playing around a bit and stumbled across the blocking oscillator cct. Kinda freaked us out that it just rung by itself.

still very cool.

Could someone please make the high-resolution videos available somewhere for me?  I have some video processing software that might be able to enhance them even further.  I am especially interested in the original 25W TPU video.

I would be happy to mirror them, original and enhanced, on my website.

Thanks!

Eldarion

Hi EM,
thanks for coming clean and seeing your faulty digital meter.

As I always say to people in overunity research:
Just only use analog meters.

You can much better see all the effects and pulses would not confuse
these meters so extremely...

So EM,please go on.
Maybe you will find some other interesting effects with your blocking oscillator.

Regards,Stefan.

Thanks for the encouragement, Lindsay and Stefan

I'll continue to play with the BlockingOscillators, they are quite interesting.

EM

@ Stephan:
   That really depends too on what kind of signal you are trying to measure. I was expecting ac and actually was seeing an RF. Made my analog meter do all kinds of stupid things. Same reading on 3,15, and 60v scales. Each will have drawbacks. That is when the scope will prove invaluable as it sees the pulse durations as well as the peak.

sugra

Quote from: EMdevices on June 25, 2007, 09:07:48 AM
I'll continue to play with the BlockingOscillators, they are quite interesting.

EM

You might want to place a series voltage regulator on the blocking oscillator supply.
This ensures that replication is a little easier because you're not dependent on the exact supply source and its variations.
A simple 7805, LM317 or similar is perfect. Don't forget to add a few 100nF capacitors on the input/output to decouple noise.

Well, I thought I would post this here since at the beginning of this thread there was an attempt made to identify various components of the TPU.

There is a device that looks suspiciously like a flouresecent tube starter on that TPU, and while I was researching the operation of such a device, I came across this at http://www.eio.com/repairfaq/REPAIR/F_flamp.html#ba:

Quote from: Floursecent Repair Guide
A ballast serves two functions:

1. Provide the starting kick.

This would seem to confirm which type of kick SM is talking about if that really is a flourescent tube starter on his TPU.

Just a thought.

Eldarion

Hi Elderion,

I agree and mentioned that also, from a similar perspective here, 4th paragraph, second line:  In reference to SM's bias linked capacitively to his primaries.  In the open tpu any way.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg40581.html#msg40581

Cheers,
Bruce

Quote from: btentzer on July 20, 2007, 11:26:33 PM
Hi Elderion,

I agree and mentioned that also, from a similar perspective here, 4th paragraph, second line:  In reference to SM's bias linked capacitively to his primaries.  In the open tpu any way.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg40581.html#msg40581

Cheers,
Bruce

Bruce,

Thanks for letting me know of that post!  Lots of interesting information there. :)   I didn't think I was the first to notice it, but I just wanted to throw it out in case no one had posted it.

Eldarion