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The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

@EM

Wow! I think this is the first video (seen on this forum) outside SM's known videos showing "no wires attached"!

Congratulations! Maybe you can start your own thread?

chrisC

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

Well done EM.

Can we assume this is along the lines of Tao's posting ?

I agree with Chris,  you should set up your own thread, so this can have full view on the forum.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

LOL, love the double thumbs up at the end :)..........

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

I have a quick question.  This is not just another example of inductive power transfer from an off-camera transmitter, right?  This is a fully functional self-powering device that could operate anywhere on this planet?

The only reason I ask this is because trickery has happened before on this forum (not by you, of course, and I mean no offense! :) )...

Thanks!

Eldarion

Eldarion, what Marco did was not "trickery" It was the Tesla MT. A valid line of research based on tao's "I think he has it" post.

@Em. Awesome man. Don't make me hold my breath.

Oh, and the double thumbs up was great. I was cracking up when you did that.

Rich

Quote from: gn0stik on July 15, 2007, 01:35:03 PM
Eldarion, what Marco did was not "trickery" It was the Tesla MT. A valid line of research based on tao's "I think he has it" post.

I apologize for my choice of words; that was what I thought of it when I first saw it.

I guess I should rephrase my question to EMDevices as:
There is no Tesla MT involved here, correct? ;D

Eldarion

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

I'm jealous... :)

Quote from: eldarion on July 15, 2007, 03:14:19 PM

Quote from: gn0stik on July 15, 2007, 01:35:03 PM
Eldarion, what Marco did was not "trickery" It was the Tesla MT. A valid line of research based on tao's "I think he has it" post.

I apologize for my choice of words; that was what I thought of it when I first saw it.

I guess I should rephrase my question to EMDevices as:
There is no Tesla MT involved here, correct? ;D

Eldarion

hey, the Tesla magnifying transmitter seems to work diffrent but it does seem to rely on the same effect.
however this same effect is without feedback so a TM will never start to feed itself ===> "the multiple frequencies begin to feed themselfs" in which a TPU does.

That seems to be the diffrence here, and yesterday i found out how it is possible to manage proper feedback, and it absolutly is not as difficult as one would think.
it shocked me when i saw it could be that easy...

Marco.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

@EMdevices

What I see in the video you use the same little toroid in the center as in some SM?s video?s. That toroid has 3 coils and one of them (fewer turns) is shifted closer to a bigger one. I doubt (as video states) you have 90V 4A (90V you showed but 4A is doubtful) in those two little lamps because it makes 180W per lamp. I doubt that kind of a little lamp can hold 180W. It is too much for those little lamps. Let?s assume that each lamp has min 15W. Two of them make 30 W. Still very impressive. If it is not a trick, my congratulations.
I would pay a lot of attention to the very first SM?s videos. I was myself watching them again and again and again. The only thing, which is very suspicious, is that little toroid in the center. It is almost in all videos. What would be a purpose of that little toroid?

Kames.

hi Kames  :)
did you also noticed Steven energizes these little center torroids by first placing a speaker magnet north on the right coil and then placing the south of the magnet on the left little center control torroid?

i think it is used to speed the thing up untill a moment the coil takes over and runs on it's own (catalyst).

so these can be the equivilant of what he calls the "receptors" in the open TPU where he places the magnets.

Marco.

Quote from: -[marco]- on July 15, 2007, 05:05:35 PM
hi Kames  :)
did you also noticed Steven energizes these little center torroids by first placing a speaker magnet north on the right coil and then placing the south of the magnet on the left little center control torroid?

i think it is used to speed the thing up untill a moment the coil takes over and runs on it's own (catalyst).

so these can be the equivilant of what he calls the "receptors" in the open TPU where he places the magnets.

Marco.

Hi Marco,

Yes, I did notice that. I don?t know how you know it was a south or north pole of the magnet. In one of the video I did notice SM was switching the poles of the magnet, for whatever reason. I did notice (especially the very first video) SM was placing a magnet on that little toroid covering a small coil and a big one, the one that was closer to the small coil.

Kames.

I'm pretty convinced the circuit in the middle (that contains the tiny toroid and long skinny resistor or capacitor in it) is an oscillator, possibly a blocking oscillator, to generate HV spikes.

Attached is an enhanced frame grab from EMDevices' video.

Hello EM,

I just wanted to give you a big public Congratulations! 

Well done, my friend.  We will patiently await further details. 

Highest regards,
Bruce   ;D

hellooooo  em

great!!!!! work

and thank you for sharing this video

We will patiently await further details.

wer

Congratulations to EMdevices on what looks like a successful device :)

Thanks to EMdevices and others who have PM me. It is good to see a number of people doing actual work -- and thinking about what they are doing.

If you are nervous about saying things in the forum please PM or email me directly mark@ballisticmedia.net  As you will all have noticed I don?t try to hide who I am and am happy to share information. We live in exciting times -- classical physical and quantum mechanics have been fantastically successful in predicting outcomes and phenomena. However the conceptual explanations on which they are based appear to be (very) wrong. This has blinkered rigid adherents to these theories to reject the rising tide of unexplained phenomena we are now seeing.

While there is mounting evidence of unexplained effects there is also a convergent  evolution of theories towards pure wave models with an acceptance that electromagnetism arises from spin and mass from compression of space. I have been reviewing the whole area for the past 8 years or so. I have been seduced more than once into attempting replications of reported devices. After several failed attempts I decided to start from scratch and first learn everything I could of classical and quantum physics. This proved unhelpful -- at this time I was inspired by an article Lawrence Krauss (one of the world?s leading physicists) in which he said that we needed conceptual thinkers but that everyone had been scared off by the mountains of complex mathematics employed by modern theorists.  Lawrence said that we needed new concepts to carry us to the next level. Conceptual and lateral thinking is one of the things I excel in and so I decided to take up Lawrence?s challenge?
Starting from scratch I have developed what appears to be a consistent conceptual framework for spacetime. It appears to fit well established and emerging new phenomena quite well. It is simple enough that it is understandable by anyone. It also seems to solve problems in past concepts (singularities, renormalization, the difference between gravity and EM forces). It is predictive, appearing to identify the causal mechanisms in many reported novel devices and suggests ways to improve them.
The hardest thing has been making a clean start ? I literally started from the concept of a simply connected 3D space with a finite propagation speed and a tendency to uniformity.  But I digress?

Regrettably academia has become highly fashionable. The ?publish or perish? and ?peer review? principals have been perverted by ego and fashion to a degree where it is heresy to think outside the orthodox norm. At the same time the free flow of education has been accompanied by a surge of opportunistic and selfish greed that isolates any new ideas under a smothering cloud of secrecy. Between the orthodoxy of academia and the secrecy of commercial greed we have lost any formal mechanism for the collective development of new ideas at the very time that as a united global population we need solutions most.

And so to my point ? We have the seeds of a new and smarter society on the web. If your reading this your part of it. Forums such as this are an oasis of collective sanity and thinking. Now don?t all talk at once? Read, think, don?t be proud ?ask questions. Most of all start every day asking yourself what you will do today to make the world a better place to live in? make your children proud of you by your actions.

And so ? at the end of a very long ramble I?ll tease you by saying that I?ll keep posting. I have been putting off creating my own web site and writing up everything neatly ? sheer procrastination (and a serious lack of available time). So although the information may be out of sequence I?ll put it up here ? starting with an explanation of where I believe the power actually comes from and why the TPU?s and other similar devices have quirks like catastrophic magnetic runaway potential? next post ;)

cheers

Mark Snoswell.

Congrats to EM.   Seek to fully understand it.

@Mark - theory is the child of perception.   Not everyone can see the same things.  Dr. Stephan Marinov (Physics) died for his beliefs - do not follow his path.  A willingness to sacrifice oneself opens the door for such to occur.  That path is not a requirement.

No, it is not "procrastination", but it can be overcome.

A player of chess does not forfeit the pieces that he needs, so it is with life and people.  Tesla was so valuable - able to perform what no other could or shall for some time - he could not be forsaken, but he could still be controlled to some extent.

To know of the secretive is to know of those who wish to control, so be carefull, lest you take on a glow of your own...and no one wants that.

WOW!!!
Congratulations to EMdevices! :)

Best regards,
Greg

@EM congrats on your success, I hope to hear more about your TPU design and fully understand its operation as well.

@EM,

WELL DONE

....let me take a breath..

Roberto

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
[snip]
At the same time the free flow of education has been accompanied by a surge of opportunistic and selfish greed that isolates any new ideas under a smothering cloud of secrecy. Between the orthodoxy of academia and the secrecy of commercial greed we have lost any formal mechanism for the collective development of new ideas at the very time that as a united global population we need solutions most.
[snip]
And so to my point ? We have the seeds of a new and smarter society on the web.
[snip]
Most of all start every day asking yourself what you will do today to make the world a better place to live in? make your children proud of you by your actions.

Mark, your words are analytical and touching, your thoughts are beautiful.

And so ? at the end of a very long ramble I?ll tease you by saying that I?ll keep posting.
cheers
Mark Snoswell.

Keep posting, our new Web society can change mankind both technically and spiritually.

I find it very ironic how the ARPANET/INTERNET, started as a TCP/IP invention in order to permit militaty networks to survive atomic war and how it evolved into such a fantastic new global consciousness.  We can and we will change change a primitive and barbaric animal into a caring, compassionate, and spiritual being.
Regards, Earl

Wow,
congratulations EM !
Well done.
Please post more informations in your own thread about it.
Many thanks in advance.

Best regards, Stefan.

Sorry to derail Marks awesome thread.Ã,  I'm bombarded by emails/PMs, what was I thinking :)Ã,  I'll start a thread soon enough after I get back from vacation.Ã,  Don't worry the secret won't be lost if something happens to meÃ, Ã,  :)Ã,  LOL
EM

PSÃ,  Guys, I appologize publicly to you and Lindsay.Ã, Ã,  Rich convicted me of my folly.Ã,  I was fed up with the TPU and wanted to show how eazy it is to "fake".Ã,  I was hoping Lindsay would release more photos or video.Ã, Ã,  It's up to him if he wants to or not.Ã, Ã,  My device has a few batteries hidden. Does SM have the same?Ã,  I don't know.Ã,  Will we ever know?Ã,  I'm still working on the TPU, rotational fields etc.Ã,  I learned some things from my "Half" fake, if there is such a thing.Ã,  LOLÃ,  :)
By the way those lightbulbs are real, 60 Watt each.Ã,  It's amazing what you can do with high frequency!!


EM

 :)

Quote from: EMdevices on July 16, 2007, 09:04:30 AM
PS  Guys, I appologize publicly to you and Lindsay.   Rich convicted me of my folly.  I was fed up with the TPU and wanted to show how eazy it is to "fake".  I was hoping Lindsay would release more photos or video.   It's up to him if he wants to or not.   My device has a few batteries hidden. Does SM have the same?  I don't know.  Will we ever know?  I'm still working on the TPU, rotational fields etc.  I learned some things from my "Half" fake, if there is such a thing.  LOL  :)
By the way those lightbulbs are real, 60 Watt each.  It's amazing what you can do with high frequency!!

Thank you for coming clean so soon and demonstrating another mode of how the SM videos could have been faked.  SM said in one of his videos that it was not possible to get that much power out of batteries small enough to fit in his device...

It appears that replication plans and details will not be forthcoming from anyone simply because there may be nothing to replicate, except maybe a bit-o-fun.  Following hints and clues to replicate a working unit is worthwhile.  Following hints and clues of a hoax to replicate a working unit is just cannon fodder for someone's sick and twisted joke.

Some folks here recommended my banishment from this site for being too skeptical when I first joined; for questioning the motives of not releasing details of this, "world saving," invention.  So, I changed my ways, opened my mind, and spent gobs-o-cash and time to pursue this worthwhile endeavor.

I know not what to think today.  I suppose the old skeptic in me has a new lease on life.

@all,

Please discuss this issue in this thread, out of respect to Mark Snoswell!

@EMdevices,
I am sorry if I offend you, but I feel you should've opened a new thread for this, and even more when you knew that it would stir much noise.
Now I don't want that we all mess up Mark's thread where we can find a lot of really interesting info.
If you don't agree with this, please ask Stefan to delete this thread.

@Stefan,
If you don't find my action appropriate, please delete this thread.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 15, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
The SM letters want to tell us but can't tell us.
The videos have all the clues but we have to put up with low resolution ones.
Contradictions galore between the letters and the real SM has me all focused on the videos.

And the result was just around the corner  !!!

EM

P.S.  I've done you a favor by not covering up half the ring.  I hope you appreciate it.
I will not be giving any more clues besides the video, untill certain events transpire.  It's the way it must be for now.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 16, 2007, 09:04:30 AM
Sorry to derail Marks awesome thread.  I'm bombarded by emails/PMs, what was I thinking :)  I'll start a thread soon enough after I get back from vacation.  Don't worry the secret won't be lost if something happens to me   :)  LOL
EM

PS  Guys, I appologize publicly to you and Lindsay.   Rich convicted me of my folly.  I was fed up with the TPU and wanted to show how eazy it is to "fake".  I was hoping Lindsay would release more photos or video.   It's up to him if he wants to or not.   My device has a few batteries hidden. Does SM have the same?  I don't know.  Will we ever know?  I'm still working on the TPU, rotational fields etc.  I learned some things from my "Half" fake, if there is such a thing.  LOL  :)
By the way those lightbulbs are real, 60 Watt each.  It's amazing what you can do with high frequency!!


EM

Quote from: Rosphere on July 16, 2007, 03:13:09 PM

Quote from: EMdevices on July 16, 2007, 09:04:30 AM
PS  Guys, I appologize publicly to you and Lindsay.   Rich convicted me of my folly.  I was fed up with the TPU and wanted to show how eazy it is to "fake".  I was hoping Lindsay would release more photos or video.   It's up to him if he wants to or not.   My device has a few batteries hidden. Does SM have the same?  I don't know.  Will we ever know?  I'm still working on the TPU, rotational fields etc.  I learned some things from my "Half" fake, if there is such a thing.  LOL  :)
By the way those lightbulbs are real, 60 Watt each.  It's amazing what you can do with high frequency!!

Thank you for coming clean so soon and demonstrating another mode of how the SM videos could have been faked.  SM said in one of his videos that it was not possible to get that much power out of batteries small enough to fit in his device...

It appears that replication plans and details will not be forthcoming from anyone simply because there may be nothing to replicate, except maybe a bit-o-fun.  Following hints and clues to replicate a working unit is worthwhile.  Following hints and clues of a hoax to replicate a working unit is just cannon fodder for someone's sick and twisted joke.

Some folks here recommended my banishment from this site for being too skeptical when I first joined; for questioning the motives of not releasing details of this, "world saving," invention.  So, I changed my ways, opened my mind, and spent gobs-o-cash and time to pursue this worthwhile endeavor.

I know not what to think today.  I suppose the old skeptic in me has a new lease on life.

@all who reply to EMdevices:

I've created a thread for this issue:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2774.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2774.0.html)

Please continue there your discussion!

@Mark
Sorry for the disturbance. Please keep on!

Regards,
Greg

I wonder is this really a hoax? If Em is using a couple of AA batteries to power the unit and he gets that much power out it is worth investigating further. I recall that SM mentioned, in one of Lindsay's posts I believe, that Sm said that so what if there are a few batteries in the unit, no one he knew of could produce the same output power (this is a paraphrase).

So I would like to know more about EM's TPU since his present solution may just provide the answers we all need to move forward with our replications and understanding of how the TPU may function.

hey Carl, you pic is missing  ;D

EM......thanks for owning up.

of course, profanity is naturally the last thing on my mind..

I wont say anything but if i were to say something it would go like this....


Why oh why do people need to set fire to their building as they leave..
The house is occupied! They may want to use that house as you did when you first arrived..
Perhaps they are thinking that it might prevent some other person from wasting their time as they did...you see they never believed it in the first place because if they did they surely would show it just a morsel of respect.And walk away with their dignity....But no they curse themselves to never believe any thing any body says..and take others with them....what a sence of achievment they have ..what a  stupid game....and some wonder why we do not have advanced technology?

We have already seen cheech and chong do this look at me crap caper a year ago. At least chong is making a great coil.

EM did get his "Pictures " so his "scam" worked on me...so I am a gullible fool...after all.
Of course they hold the secret to the tpu...that is why Im hiding them...I just want you all to waste time...lots of it..
But know this...he has them now and is hiding them from YOU!!!

You would think that I would &^%^&%& learn ay?

Still,..moving on those center toroids got me thinking.

And surely there has been no mention of them from the doubtfull source...

They would indeed create 2 out of phase, isolated signals that could be useful depending on what you wanted to do with them and the wind direction...out of phase in z.....x ...and y.... fancy that! and all from a single phase source.

Of course the moment that I get some free information that will not require anybody's mental capacity beyond their shoe size or hand skills to actually do anything..ill just pop it here so that every body who is about to set fire to their house ...wont..

Now that they have the grail of energy these un burnt wise few will surely use it un selfishly with great wisdom and clarity, sharing their knowledge with all.. that would be obvious.


See..... I didn't say FUCK, once.

This got me off the bench for a day...a valuable day

I guess that I needed this lesson. Thank you, seriously Thank you.




Lindsay

I think you are right Carl, calling it a hoax would already imply that we know exactly how he did it and how it works.
So I modified the title, to be as factual as possible.

Sorry for having rushed with this judgment.

Personally, I still think the TPU is real and I am not discouraged by EMdevices' revelation. I understand that he got fed up with it and it was a way to release some pressure.

Regards,
Greg

I guess I really couldn't follow your post very well, Lindsay.  Oh well.  The TPU is real, I believe it is, the open TPU was pretty convincing I must say.  We're so close to making one of these that...well, I dunno.  But, we're close.

-Brian

I recently had a revelation.  A new thought if you will, maybe it will tie in with your explainations?  Well, what if we had three segments of coil wound perpendicularly to a collector, like everyone is doing.  Put frequency x in one 2x in another, and x in the last.  Now, what if we made two more of these and put on underneath and one on top of the original?  Both the top and bottom could have half the frequency of the middle.  Does that sound plausible to you, Mark?

Thank you for your excellent documentation on spinors!

EM said he was sorry.  I say for me, apology accepted.

"Hope deferred makes the heart sick."

So what is the cure?  ...HOPE

Many on this forum are experimenting with what we now know.  And what we do not know shall be found out, as small advancements continue.  I for one, do not care to hear any more S.M. theories, unless combined with experimentation.   

We have enough to work with.  And that which we have is more than just theory.  That should give us hope.
The answer will, from here on out, be found at the bench.

Hang in there EM.  Time to build for real.  ;)

"What one man can do, another man can do!"


Cheers,
Bruce

Quote from: -[marco]- on July 16, 2007, 04:33:28 PM
hey Carl, you pic is missing  ;D

Yeah, I just noticed it, I'll have to check my webserver.

@EMdevices,

You didn't deceive me at no moment! When you post your video, I just understood it was false and that you wanted to show us something, perhaps giving us a lesson.

Remember when you said me that you would like to believe that the experiment of Cook/Brnbrade Coils (CBC) meant OverUnity? Didn't make sense if you don't believe that a wire handful and some components could become a OverUnity, and days later you would show your own OverUnity. Here was a faith question. Or you believe, or you don't believe, therefore, it didn't make sense!

In your proper words: "The videos have all the clues but we have you put up with low resolution ones." and your video imitated in identical way (low resolution) what we saw in the SM videos, without adding more details on the operation of the OverUnity.

In any way, I understood your "hidden" message since the first time that I watch your video.

In other hand, I found your false OU interesting and I wound like to know how you build it.

"I want to believe!" ha ha ha

Regards,

Doug

There it is :)

@All,
Well done EM, I really thought you had cracked it then, its a shame its a hoax, or so you say....?

When the bulbs are lit up, there seems to be a rectangular outline in the carpet, I'm guessing you lifted the carpet and put some cable carrying 90V DC under the carpet.
Passed two enamel copper wires through the carpet and there you have it.

Regards
Rob

Hi EM,
I merged this thread now with the postings in the other thread, so it is all in one
thread.

So how did you fake it ?
Please come clean and tell us, where you did hide the batteries.
What sized batteries did you use ?
Must be pretty small sized, if they are hidden in your TPU ?

@EM

You?ve lost whatever small amount of credibility you had left. People should not be making excuses for you. We should just accept your situation as it truly is and continue on with our research without you.

@ all

Hold your horses! I have another theory. EM was going to go on vacation. Then he got all these PM's and emails asking him to show them how he did this. We'll, maybe he's doing this to create a detour so you guys won't send him any more PM's and junk his email box until he returns and then he will show the REAL stuff!

Or maybe EM's experiments Leads out to more illusions!

Oh, I shouldn't have watched that "The Illusionist" movie last night. Now I am really confused!

cheers
chrisC

Quote from: mflynn44 on July 16, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
@EM

You?ve lost whatever small amount of credibility you had left. People should not be making excuses for you. We should just accept your situation as it truly is and continue on with our research without you.

Comon' now.  A little hype is nothing to stress.  Besides, it only enlightened us further!  Once he gets back he can show us how he did it!

@EM

I think I'll have to say that you have actually gained credibility. After all, Some of the best artistic talent is used 'faking/copying' the masters.

BTW - If that was mine I would have to have two internal toroid secondaries (more windings each) because I haven't figured a way to generate separate plus and minus super-pulses off of one circuit without squelching the opposite output   ;D

This highlights a lesson I learned after being seduced into replication attempts of several types of devices (not TPU's). Seeking to blindly copy someone else?s design is a bit like gold rush fever. You don?t know what you are doing; you don?t have enough information to go on; it's often doomed to failure as it's based on misinformation. It's little better than gambling.

The lesson it to strive for understanding so that you can intelligently design your own devices and add to the collective pool of information.

I don?t want to tease here but I do want to give a concrete experimental example. A very knowledgeable friend suggested that I make a unique 3 component coil design over a year ago -- the reason being that the magnetic field generated by the set of coils required an SU2 solution -- in simple terms it could not be modeled within current methods and required a full 4 dimensional solution. Anyway -- I resisted making the triple coil arrangement because it would have been hard to make and I didn't feel that the failure for it to fit within current analysis was a good enough reason to make it -- I would have had no clear direction in what to expect or how to use it... Six months after that (November last year I think) I realized that the coil set (I call it B3) could be driven by 3 phase signal to generate a rotation field that had two different, and view independent, directions. This was something new and suggested questions like: IS this a model for charged particles? Would a positive rotating B3 filed induce a negative rotating B3 field in another B3 coil set? ... And so I built the B3 coil set. I tuned them and ran it as 3 separate LC resonators, Delta L + Wye C, and Wye L + Delta C... and I discovered that I had invented a 3 Phase passive resonator that works predictably in all of those configurations. After looking for other similar work I was surprised and delighted to find that this is something new. I then went on to discover that I could use two tuned B3 coil sets as transmitter and receiver of rotational field signals -- and that a positive rotation transmitter will induce a negative rotation in the receiver, and visa versa. Then I discovered that I could use the transmitter receiver pair to detect relative orientation and axial rotation (full relative quaternion orientation) remotely -- again something new.
These discoveries are fantastic but they don?t begin to address the reason I made these B3 coils -- I made them because their ability to generate two view independent phase rotations makes them a candidate to control spin and therefore couple electromagnetism to gravity -- and generate a lot of other interesting effects. This work has barely begun.
So to my point -- I didn?t race in and just pump the B3 coils full of energy looking for the "pot of gold". I have been doing simple tests first to better understand and characterize the device and processes. In doing so it looks like I have discovered a novel new class of passive 3 phase resonator and a superior remote orientation sensing technology. I may also have a model for charge -- more tests are required to show that. I would have missed these if I had gone for broke straight away. As yet I have not pumped lots of energy in and done that things I plan to attempt to get interesting new effects.

So -- not wanting to derail EMdevices thread ;) ...be very careful and methodical in your researches. Study and understand all of the "classical" effects that you will encounter so you can identify when something really new is happening. Measure and control everything and be very observant. It's always a delight if you uncover something unexpected -- most of the time it will be something already known, but that won?t diminish your achievement of discovering it for yourself.

An opinion on the TPU style devices -- Based on theory and what I have seen these configurations would require very precise timing and construction to tune. They don?t have any topological advantages to permit sloppy design.

Mark Soswell.

I remember a few tales  some body told me some time ago..it went like this..
as I recall it......

I am sorry you had to deal with another perpetrator of tricks and fraud.
But I will now share some things with you explaining why I had to perform my demonstrations the way I did. I had to make sure

that no educated person could find any way to claim our demonstration was faked, so....

We went out of our way to SHOW that there were no possible EXTRA connections other then between the TPU's and the

device being powered. Wether that be 1000 watts of light bulbs or an electric drill. I had to make certain that anyone could

clearly see that you could trace the wires from the TPU DIRECTLY to the powered device, and no other wires going anywhere.

I also made sure that I moved ALL the devices into the air and around to prove that they were not resting on any, or connected

to hidden wires, etc.
Next, I used a meter to show the output voltage before and after connection to the load to indicate any circuit changes and to

endorse the fact that there was a direct connection, etc.
Next, in many of my demonstrations, I switched the output of the 1 KW unit through a resister and commenced making a large

and long frequency DC spark from one test lead to the other!!! Do you have any idea how MUCH voltage you must have to do

what is shown in the videos?
In all my demonstrations I shut off the powered ,load by disconnecting one of the wires going from the TPU to the load to prove

that the circuit was indeed through the TPU providing power to the load.
Next, I used a magnetic amp gage to show that while in operation the TPU puts out a considerable magnetic field.... It proves

that there is considerable power being generated to make the light bulbs glow, etc.if the TPU was just a fake and not the

source of the power then the amp gage wouldn't show a thing when it got near to the TPU!

All of these things had a purpose to prove to engineers and the like that  the TPU's really provided the power you see in the

videos.

There was great thought that went in to the demonstrations in order to make sure that no one could possibly accuse us of Tom

foolery!!!
That is why NO ONE has been able to even fake a suitable TPU demonstration, because it can not be done.!
Sincerely,




I have one more story for you which i believe you will find interesting.
I was told to take my research team to the LA valley to see a demonstration of a power generator which was purported to be

just like mine...

WE came into an apartment and in the living room was a nice young man who had a small ring very similar to the size and

shape of my TPU.
He asked for one million dollars if he could make the lamp next to the unit light for an hour or more.

We said , sure.
Then he proceeded to make some Hocus Pocus and on went the light. It was a 120 volt- 100 watt light bulb in a heavy

porcelain table lamp sitting on the flour about two feet from his copy of my TPU.

After a while I asked him if i could use some test equipment. He said that I could NOT because I would disturb the

ELECTROMATIC  fields around the unit which had to be perfect..... Hmmmm!!!!???? Sounded more like a vacuum cleaner to

me.

Anyway, we all stood there for over an hour and the light burned very brightly for as long as we stood.
WE told him that he had something worth a lot of money and could possible save the world, etc. We decided to leave his

apartment and go to a restaurant to discuss the need for further tests and of course talk about the money which we

disappointingly did not bring with us on that day....Ha, Ha!!!

As soon as the inventor turned around to get his jacket I calmly walked over to the heavy lamp and preceded to pick it up. After

it was in the air we all noticed that the wires from his TPU copy went nowhere but just sat under the lamp while it was on the

floor. HOWEVER, the lamp did have two wires coming out of it and going into a small hole in the carpet!
We pulled on the wires and noted that they eventually went over to a wall outlet where they received 120 volts AC.

Nice little story isn't it?
Such is life.

Quote from: mflynn44 on July 16, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
@EM

You?ve lost whatever small amount of credibility you had left. People should not be making excuses for you. We should just accept your situation as it truly is and continue on with our research without you.

You should reserve judgement here, really, you have no idea what you speak of, in regards to EMs character. It was  a low blow, admittedly, but he's come clean and that takes some serious cojones.

Now @EM, make with the diagrams, and hows, and with whats and all the goodies.

 ::)  Hi to all. I am new to this site. Concerning the toroid coil I have read that the US government dip the coil into liqiud Nitrogen. Has anyone here tried this??? Has anyone here done a toroid coil that's close to working?? ;D

Quote from: Justdoit on July 16, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
::)  Hi to all. I am new to this site. Concerning the toroid coil I have read that the US government dip the coil into liqiud Nitrogen. Has anyone here tried this??? Has anyone here done a toroid coil that's close to working?? ;D

As a matter of fact, I don't believe anyone has tried the nitrogen.  But others have come close to getting some working dvices!  Quite an accomplishment!!  There are sticky threads in this forum for your reading leisure.

@Mark

Point taken on the precision control. At my current point in this exercise I am looking for a way to repeat the process with a method leaning toward mechanical design instead of controls to make up for mechanical design. While it is not easy to produce rotation by any means it appears to be far more difficult to do it with a minimum of electronics in a safe, controllable, usable and repeatable fashion, as I believe SM did with the open TPU.

I have been working a great deal on reverse engineering that one simply because it appears to use the simplest electronics and highest level of physical design. All the others seemed to require sophisticated timing and sequencing of pulses. The open TPU is a thing of beauty on the apparent methods used in layout and the simplicity of the controls I believe it used.

This is the direction I?m taking now. Most should stick with exacting controls as that will allow for adjustments to more unknowns. Also folks here have more total talent in the control side than I. I still keep a hammer on my work bench  ;)

 8)

Hi brnbrade:

What's that smile? Any messages for us?

Thanks
chrisC

I believe that SM's original TPU is a legit device, but you just can not trust any video source even if there are no wires.

You only have to go to youtube and watch some videos by David Blaine and Cris Angel to see what can be done with illusionist tricks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMHmnr4b60&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMHmnr4b60&mode=related&search=)

@Brnbrade

How are you? We are trying hard. But we also like to fool around.

@EMdevices

EM - Incredible!!!

I posted the following on July 09, 2007, 03:32:01 PM

and here it already is. Like I was rubbing a genie bottle or something.

And six days after, abracadabra, poof.  My wish is granted.

Just incredible!

Quote from: wattsup on July 09, 2007, 11:32:01 AM
Here is maybe a very dumb question but for me it will help in seeing the future.

OK, Otto and Ronotte are testing using three mosfet/driver combos. What I would like to know is where in SM's devices do you think he had such components, the heat sinks, the  power supply to the mosfets, the heat generated, the noise, etc. Or can the mosfets/driver combos be made much much smaller in the future. But then how was it possible in 1997. Or is this question taboo? Or we are all right to agree Otto's device is not a TPU but a new power generator called the ECD?

I am also thinking that to build a TPU, maybe it is best to start building a fake one, same look, same performance but with any type of internal power source exciting any form of coil system possible to achieve the end result, that is to light or half light one, two or more bulbs for the same time as on the demos, that could be officially determined. Once this is achieved, then work backwards to work out the autonomous features.  You can put a limit on the internal battery to output ratio or only have the limitation of weight and practical size/shape and see what type of ideas can be hatched. I am sure there are some others here that would be interested in taking up such a challenge and it would be helpful to the builders. Maybe start a new craze. Maybe even launch a new contest. Who can build the best working replica, regardless of power source? Maybe even outsource it to China. They are so good at copying things fast and cheap.

hello all if in fact this tpu does work as in the vidieos i will find out i am just collecting the rest of the tools to test this properly just got my scope today finally and a freq gen soon but it will be tubes and i will see what i can do with all of this and with some luck i think i can make it work so off i will go to play and stock up on materials

i truly beleave this works verry well and safe

steven marks if you read this  -------------we will get it all figured out yet and i plan on helping

the best to all

ist

@EM,

Good to see your bulb light up.  ;) . Looking forward for more. Any recipe that you could shared with me (if the others don't want it). Because mine still don't go to the Ampere as yet. Mine only mil Ampere. But let me say this, it is one worth of knowledge/technology to be shared off (if you permitted so).

@ALL,

A note to wonder - Just imagine, if a device (light,small and portable)  - even if we still uses battery (or any other type of power source) and could produce 100% or more of real workable output, that would mean something. The achievement is very big.

I think, before we could get the OU running (someday) , the above knowledge shouldn't be throw away just like that.

Regards,

This is a copy of a post I just added to my thread here  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2764.30.html

I am posting it here in support of EMdevices enthusiasm and work but also as a warning ? trust takes time to build but is easily broken. EMdevices said it himself ?what was I thinking? ? the point is that you should think before you act...




This is in response to a PM which reflects the feeling of a lot of people ? Is this all a fake and a waste of time?


Is there something really out there to be discovered ? yes. No question. We really don?t know everything yet!


A side note before I continue  --------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this area is full of people who desperately want to believe. Most of the time they are honest but delude themselves into believing far more than they should. A few become dishonest ? and they get noticed the most.

Unbounded optimism and belief are fine ? in fact they are great motivators!  However, in equal measure, they require honesty and respect, for others and yourself. You must be aware not to create unreasonably false hopes. Regrettably the whole history of ?Free energy? is littered with people who allowed their desires and passion to delude themselves and then others into false belief. Most of the time this leads to disappointment and a feeling of betrayal as time goes on and magical results do not happen. For some the temptation is too great and they slip into knowingly deceiving themselves and others into something that is not true. They then get cast in the same light as the rare con artist that deliberately preys on others.

Don?t think scientists are beyond this behavior ? even in peer reviewed journals overzealous enthusiasm leads to distortion, and sometimes outright fraud. A case in point is the charge of an electron. This was first determined in the famous Robert Millikan and Harvey Fletcher's oil-drop experiment in 1909. The exact electron charge has been refined ever since then with better and better experiments. If you plotted the published results you would expect to see a random distribution of figures that get closer to the true value with time? you don?t. What you see is the published values start with Millikan and Fletchers published figure and gradually get closer to the true value. What was happening was that scientists rejected values too far away from previously published results and biased their own data ? a very unscientific, by very human thing to do.
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It is my opinion that the evidence for various new energy technologies is overwhelming. If you are in doubt just take some time to read the technical papers on Randal Mills Blacklight Power www.blachlightpower.com Many of Randal?s papers are published in peer review journals. Although his theories may be hotly debated I believe his core finding is well proven -- that you can drop the electron in a hydrogen atom to below the previously accepted ?zero? level. Dropping the electron to this new ?below zero? level releases lots of energy ? orders of magnitude more than chemical reactions by orders of magnitude lower than atomic fusion. This result alone ads credibility (but doesn?t make them all true) to all of the water based energy technologies.

Things I have seen that add credibility to TPU class of device?

I visited a group in Mexico last year. They have some very advanced technology which is a result of over 20 years research and a lot of funding  ? I saw demonstrations that were very impressive. They have got to the stage of miniaturizing their devices such that 400w power can be delivered from a 3mm cube device ? small enough to mount in a 8 pin dip package.  I can?t tell you if it was real or fake as I didn?t get the opportunity to test it myself. It appears to have all of the characteristics, artifacts, failure modes and inspirations as SM TPU. They are the same but they appear to share many common characteristics.

Marcus Hollingshead appeared to have something also ? I also noticed a lot of consistency in everything Marcus reported.

And then there is all of the hydrogen work ? Stanley Meyers and Bob Boyce are amongst prominent ones here. Again I am impressed by not just their reported results but by lots of little things that suggest they have the right ingredients for novel effects to exhibit themselves.

I chose to mention the above devices because I think they all have a common mechanism at work. Put it all together and there is something worth investigating? and I think I have a conceptual framework that shows simply why all of the technologies may work. However a conceptual framework is a long way from engineering   -- eg. E=mc^2 is a brilliant concept but doesn?t not tell you how to engineer atomic energy devices!

Initially I dismissed SM TPU as a fake or at least a distortion of fact. However the hints from various people make me think there is something real here ? pulse signals at three different periods, 3 drive coils, DC bias, the 1x and 2x components (plus others)? all of these things make sense. I think I know why they would be *required* in a device that taps spin energy of electrons. What I don?t know is how much truth or fabrication there is to any of the reports of success from anyone at present?. With all due respect there isn?t any really rigorously credible evidence from anyone.

As I said previously ? I was also seduced several times into attempts to copy reported devices ? and failed. I am not interested in this. The way forward is to come up with reasonable theories that are testable and could explain the devices? and then to methodically explore them. At the very least this will result in new understanding and discoveries ? the hope is that it will lead to breakthrough new technologies in many areas.

Cheers

Mark Snoswell.

Hi Guys,

As some of you know I've been involved with the TPU close to a year.

I'm working as an electrical engineer in RF right now, and I was grabed by the videos shown on google and other places.Ã,  I gave the man the benefit of doubt.

So I labored and labored and theorized and experimented, and it's been fun.

Then I got fed up with it.Ã,  It's summer time, I live in Florida where its nice and warm and have I been to the beach yet?Ã,  have I enjoyed my weekends?Ã,  have I gone on a cruise?Ã, Ã,  NO and No and NO

So I said forget this obsession.Ã,  We need first of all to make sure it's not a fake.Ã,  Why don't I try to fake it I thought.Ã, Ã, 

So I said to myself, let me call SM's statement a bluffÃ,  ("..... there are no batteries that can supply the amout of power you see here....")Ã,  and see what happens.

As I was in the store, I saw a saleÃ,  (no hurricanes yet so lots of batteries on saleÃ, Ã,  :)Ã,  )

So I bought lots and lots of batteries !!!!

I hope this has helped you in some way.Ã,  It has helped me a lot.Ã, Ã, 

There are no patents to be found (as claimed in the video), no action on anybody who owns the so called "rights" only gov conspiracy excuses.Ã,  I'm tired of it.Ã,  It's all bull.

Oh and you want me to fake the TV setup too, did you happen to see the INVERTER AND HOW BIG IT WAS?Ã,  If he outputs DC what's up with all that white box?Ã,  I can stick a batteri in there and run my TV for a whole DAY !!!!

EVERYTHING IN THE VIDEOS CAN BE FAKED, EVEN THE SOUNDS AND VIBRATIONS (does anybody have a cell phone)

Anyway,Ã,  I'M NOT SAYING SM IS BOGUS, I'm just saying THE VIDEOS CAN BE FAKED.

EMÃ, Ã, 

P.S.Ã,  Oh and all that other stuff , wires, toroids, etc.. were to make it look authentic, you loved it didn't you.Ã,  :)

Anyone can put 15 nine volt batteries into a toroidial shape and call it a TPU.  What most people can't do is use the earth's magnetic field to generate electricity, even if the videos were fake, is there any point to faking those videos?  I duno, I just have a really strong gut feeling that this thing is real!

I'm with you Super God,  SM strikes me as a genuine guy,  I work with a lot of folks like him.  But then you never know how twisted some people can get.  Money and the power .... power and the money     Ha Ha   :D :)

EM

EMdevices,

Before you attempt to fake a video like this, please take into account all the effects, magnets starting it up, doesn't work upside down. I understand you trying to show us it can be faked, but you only showed us the power can be faked. To me, an eduacational video of faking this device, must be faked entirely. No if's and's or but's. I think the title should be EMdevice's ring with batteries in it, it technicaly wasn't a TPU.

Technically it is a TPU because it's toroidial in shape and produces power. (albeit from batteries)

lol, that just cracks me up!

If you watch the videos, it's only the first device that suffers from the upside down problem.  In the UEC video towards the end he says the device works in any position relative to the horizon, or something like that.  But the upside down drop in voltage is easy to fake as well.  I was actualy contemplating how elaborate to fake it, but I say nah too much work, it would be rediculous to put more work into a fake then the real thing  :)

EM

Steven Mark invented the TPU, so capitalizing the acronym makes it in reference to exactly what Steven Mark made, thus including the effects....

Emdevice,

Then why did you attempt to fake an incomplete TPU? Seems like a waste of time all together...

Oh, one other thing, if the thought goes through your head to duplicate a fake with batteries in series, be carefull, 90 volts can be fatal for some.Ã, Ã,  I accidently touched the wires to my wrist while I was wraping the fake perimeter wire and it was very painfull, I think I even saw stars it was so intense :)

EM

P.S.   For fun HopeFH, for some fun and relaxation.  I took less then a day...  "very cheaply put together, no mass circuitry..."   Ha  Ha  :)

The only TPU that has me concerned is the little one, this is a processed image which I'm posting with Lindsay's permission.

Notice the bumps on top.Ã,  Of course this one can be fake as well.Ã,  The lightbulb is frosted.Ã,  Lots of fakes can concentrate the fake in the bulb, but look to the left of it, I see a regular pattern as if there are batteries one next to the other.  Do you see what I mean?

EM

Feverishly applauding :) and i thought you put to gether a cascade cirut to feed the primary and the secondary was wound fine wire one on top of the other wind 4 different leinghts on same coil- jacketed so the BEMF pulse would not be so sharp and take the top high part of the spike ( wich in this is not really a spike ) and feed that back to the cap( battery and filter) with a blocking diode thus feeding the fets as this will keep them protected from the high volatge and not burn them out thus feeding the cascade circut and things start all over mmmmmm . who a thought :) I wasn't disapointed ,, just a good laugth  :D ;D well back to the sunshine  KISS hehehehe

Hi Emdevices,

The problem with your video is that it is still not 4A as it states, even with two 60W lamps. And the major problem with your video, it is not running for half an hour, powering a TV set or a vacuum cleaner or a drill. You are not taking your tpu outside for 5 minutes and show it running again and again. Try to power you lamps as long as it works from those batteries (anyway you wasted them) and tell us the time it was working. Or, for example, try to connect it to a vacuum cleaner directly (it should work even with DC) or through a converter and tell us if it moves at all.
Anyway, well done, was expecting it.  :-X
But a torroid in the center wasn?t a joke at all.

Thanks,

Kames.

@EM

Stars??? Naaaa.... That was the VORTEX forming!

Hey EM,

It appears to me that SM painted it with a type of resin.  This would help to secure the wirings and prevent noise from any incidental movement of the wires.  It would also assist in hardening the TPU, making it easier to handle. 

It does indeed, for sure have batteries.  If you have an opportunity, please read through all of the engineering reports.  These toroids were tested for hours on end, with full loads.  They only had to be turned off because of heat issues.  Then they would be fired up again, for more hours.  It was not faked.

Then engineers are real and reputable.  And people were purposely hired to look for fraud.  All were convinced.  Ours will have batteries, and charger one day as well.  batteries are a type of control and should always remain, according to B.B. 


Cheers,
Bruce

you crack me up BEP :)

kames, see my previous posting about the inverter.  Try to do a calculation of energy density.

Also, SM walks outside in the UEC video and lights up the bulb for the same amount of time I did.   4 amps was actualy low, it draws about 5 or so amps.  The batteries drain fast, and that's why I didn't want the video to run too long, I want to use them again. 

Bruce, so you think that's resin under there?  Possible.

EM

@Emdevices

Why to make things with that picture of the torroid too complicated. It is a blue tape, it was overheated and now it partially melted and exposed sections of the coil.

Kames.

Interesting theory Kames,  it's possible he had a previous accident , a meltdown and the bumps remained after he covered them up again.

For a long time I was thinking what's in that little TPU?   It does make the buzzing sound if you've seen the tape.  I was thinking it was a ferrite toroid, it has to be, magnetostriction at work making those sounds.  It's one hell of a revolutionary design if its real.


EM

If we figure this out, I'm going to make an itty bitty little tpu and have it power something random, like a set of dancing magnets. :)

Hi EM:
One heck of a con-man you are!
Good job man and great reasoning. I just hope when you cry "wolf" the next time it will be for real!
Sending this on my iPhone in the middle of a rollerblade trail out in the countryside! Got to love this little wonder!

Cheers
chris

@Emdevices

Yes, I did see that video. I don?t want to speculate if he had a ferrite core inside, let?s say it is possible. If I were an audio vacuum tube amplifier engineer (I actually was doing it, however was not my primary job), what would I do with 3 channels, two for stereo, one for special effects, to make it compact as much as possible? For two stereo channels, I have two output torroidal transformers. For the third channel, lower in power, I have a smaller torroidal transformer. To save the space I would put all three transformers on top of each other and the smaller one on top of two others. What did SM notice strange in this design I don?t know. SM decided to simulate it with using some computer boards (at that time probably extremely expensive). He found the logic behind the effect but probably never understood the nature of the effect. Eventually he built a much simpler device because he didn?t need all that stuff when he initially discovered it. What I want to say is that there is a huge gap between first videos and a picture you just posted. The picture you posted was shown in the SM?s videos as one of the latest designs. By looking at that picture I doubt anyone can figure out anything. As you said, watch the videos, especially the two first, the most revealing and the most open architecture of the device.

Kames.

Quote from: EMdevices on July 17, 2007, 10:05:20 PM
....
Oh and you want me to fake the TV setup too, did you happen to see the INVERTER AND HOW BIG IT WAS? 
...

Quote
kames, see my previous posting about the inverter.  Try to do a calculation of energy density.

Just a note, nothing special.

How big is an inverter (transformer) in any computer switching power supply giving out up to 500W output?
The output power (energy density) (ideally) relative to the size of the transformer is proportional to the power two of the frequency, which is between 15?30KHz in the computer switching power supply.

Kames.

Hello all,

@EM

you speak about a fake. OK.

But what would be if you:

1. build a TPU with the right dimensions
2. use a little toroid like in your video
3. wind coils like in a magnetic amplifier
4. use this mag. amp. to drive such a TPU.....

@To all,

is EMs TPU now a fake???

if nothing else, I have new ideas. Thanks EM.

Otto

Everybody listen up!

Those batteries in the picture ..look very carefully.
They are not batteries at all..they have hidden inside them ..minature TPU's..

Dont be fooled by this again...right in front of you are multiple tpu's.

HE would have put timer circuits in them as well so that they behave like batteries.. just to trick the mib who are at this moment, filling out a fuel request for the black chopper.

Its no wonder nobody can see what is right in their face.
Now come on EM ,nobody really believes you......lets see inside those batteries!
I bet he wont open them for us...the real scientists.

HA!



Lindsay

I can't tell if you're serious or jus tbeing sarcastic, I never was the sharpest tool in the shed.  Hey Lindsay, do you think SM reads this forum alot, or does he keep busy most of the time?

@Mannix

SEE!

I told you it was the Vortex forming! Better check your watch. I'll bet it is slow now too!

HI TO ALL   
everibody like to make  tpu  in this forum  , but  i dont see reason to fake this video ok
and  to provet  that can be  a fake   ok  ,,,  is posible to make  fake whit batery ok but  way  this  gay  E.M  SO HARD  work to make  a TPU   ho can be  a fake    ,
. i thing  e.m.  is good man   but  his life  is  important   then  he  make picture  to provet  that is posible  and  that thing  can be fake  beakose  <<<<  everybody  ho  make  original  tpu  he  now  that  the his life is  in danger >>>>   that  is all  for 
  make a posible  a fake  .. 
                              AND NOW  EXEPLANE  AND  PROVE  THAT  CAN BE  REAL THING

  IF YOU SEE THE VIDEO  1----  you can see  in the center  in his tpu  is  a litle  neon starter   ho is  litel  of light can see 
  2----  in this tpu  in the center  you can se  a  feryte  colis  ho is  separated 
3-----  when a remeber  last year  i have found  a PDF circuits  in this  forum   ho  is like this      <<<  you have 3 volt batery ,, then 2 separated  neon coils  ho is is cut in  like  X  THEN   +  voltage  from batery going  in wrst in the coil   then -  going  in the anther coil    ,, then in serial is put  a litle  neon starter  then  hi going  to a amplifaer  of voltage ho increase  to H.V << HIGH VOLTAGE   I MEAN INGNITION  COIL  FOR CAR>> THEN WHAT A SAY  WHAT  SO HIGH  VOLTAGE  i say is importan  to have  a big voltage  ,,  in this out of ignation coil  you put  the  primari  coil  of tpu  then you get a moving  elektron  in the  colectors coil   ..
YOU  ask about a litle neon starter  what is a mean of that   
i say this  in this starter of neon is putin back  emf force  ho is presali cut and the frekfenci  << i mean only  1 frekfenci  no harmonics frekfences   this thing <<starter >> is  perfect  transistor  ho cut the sorce   <<< YOU WHIL SEE  IN HIS VIDEO IN THIS CENTAR  OF HIS TPU  ITS  SEE LITLE SMALL LIGHT  HO ONLY  IS MAKENG  A STARTER   see the video in periode i s makeing  a litle lighh of  neon starter ...
anther  in the center is a toroid  ferite core  ho is  2 separated coils 
when you  come  1 and 1  you have   oscilation ho is a
<< 1 starter  2 neon coil  and you have oscilation whiout  tranzistor  ,then only you need to increase  the pulse perfekt  frekfency << frek. whitout harmonics  >>
way whitout harmonics  ____ is importent to created real  moving of elektrones in the wire  .. if you had  a harmoniks  you get a 1000  of stepening moving elektrones  ho get a nothing ,, wrong is harmoniks  like this 
YOU IN THE  second   created  1 frek.  then 2 frek. and  anther ... 
and  you get nothin of moving  the  elektrones in wires  then whil hapend haotics movment of elekttrones  ho  1 elek. goin g  in 1 direction  then another ele. going in the roung direction 
i say you get perfect frek. i mean only 1 frek  whil bi able  to move  elektrones  in the  same directions   you can thing about this   
a say is  not  a fake  this  of E.M   a fake  whil be to security of his lfe 
the E.M  most say and  prove  to all is fake  to securety his life  i now is  not a fake  but  for  apoblic  most be prove is fake   
THIS  E.M  I whil congratuation  for him  this  is the best  tpu  ho even see  in this forum i mean is 90%  is real   BY

A neon starter to generate high voltage to the primary or 'control' coils...hmmm.  Sounds like a plan to me.

 AND  ANTHER  IF  A REAL FAKE IS  AND  IS  DC OUT  OF  90 VOLTC  WAY  IS THE CAPACITATOR  IN THE OUT   FOR WHAT  IF ARE IS FAKE what   IS PORPSE  OF PUTIN A  CAP  . IN THE OUT  IF  ARE  IS A  HAVE  10 BATERY OF 9 VOLTS    ::)
THING  THAT WAY  WHAT  WHIL YOU  NEED A CAP OF 4,7nf  and is paralel whit  resistor    ha   ha  ha

see  this  if you put control coil   

Guys & Gals,

I downloaded the video and watched it.

Seemed like the video could use a bit of clean up, so that is what I did.

I ran some color correction on it, and then I froze the ending frame and zoomed in a little so that it was easier to see what was in the middle of the coil. 

However, because the original resolution was so low, it really didn't help to much with the zoom.

But the color correction seemed to help...

Enjoy!

FB

Hi FB,
thanks for doing a cleaner version of the video,
but as EMdevices has shown, he faked it just with 10 x 9 Volts batteries,
so it not much need to clean anything up with this video.

Regards, Stefan.

ok good zoom
you see  that  is in the center is neon starter  <<imean starter bulb  whit cap.>>
if you  put10 of 9 volts batery  you dont needthis stuff
you see  had a litle  light in the center  of tpu  <<<i mean spark of light  in the  neon starter bulb  ho in periode is  light no continue >>. ok   8) 8) 8) 8) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Quote from: hartiberlin on July 22, 2007, 03:11:00 PM
Hi FB,
thanks for doing a cleaner version of the video,
but as EMdevices has shown, he faked it just with 10 x 9 Volts batteries,
so it not much need to clean anything up with this video.

Regards, Stefan.

Yeah, I read that AFTER I had cleaned up the video and posted it.

It was disappointing to say the least.

However, the good thing to come from this is the following:

If you are going to post ANY claim of a TPU working, you had better show the INSIDE of the unit along with a video that is working long enough to prove that there are no batteries inside.

We really need to raise the bar here as far as research that is being done here...  It seems as though we have a group of people who are not taking any of this seriously.  (not that we are SUPPOSED to do that)

However, it would be nice if there were STEP by STEP instructions clearly showing and demonstrating how to make one work.

I understand that Otto and someone else has made one... but I cannot find clear evidence that this is true.

I would be glad to assist with any video/audio work necessary to make things clear for the public... but my knowledge of making electronic things like this is a tad limited.

Until next time.

FB

my friend there are batteryies inside of a tpu!!!!



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 :o

ok  but a see only 3 volts batery << sony>>whit 1 tranzistor ho oscilations iuse  for increasy the voltagy in to 90 volts  i dont see 10 batery here
is loke like simple oscilator whit feryth core whit primary and secundary  coil secundary coli goes to anther primari coil whitout core  and there hi generated high frekfency ho is generated in anther colector coil ho is out whit high puls oscilations whit speed  diode ho created dc out voltage  ok

andersten   i simple  my teory is 
 
   you make oscilator whit <mosfet  trasistor i mean push pull circuits  >>  then oscilation whit created  and increase the voltage whit high frek.  then the out  high fre. whit high voltge  going  in anther  primary  << or control coil  ho is not in the core  then in the auround this primary or comtrol coil is made anther colector coil  ho is out is put  speed diode  whit cap  to created the dc out 90 volts     
i dont see 10  nine volts here ??????????????????????????????????????????????????   ok  to move elektrones in the wire  you need high  voltge  whit  high  speed  then you get moving elektrones  in the colector coil  that   i anderstend  i dont andrsten 10 batery   of nine volts
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MCD:
   Tell you what, forget all the parts, all the wire, the coils, the caps everything. Now all you have in front of you is 8 12v batteries. Hook them up in series and put a light bulb to it. Bingo,,,, it lites up.

thaelin

;D

The important things shown here are the single frequency oscillator inside the ring and the bridge diode & capacitor outside.

--giantkiller.

Hi Mannix, hi All,

I put on my x-ray glasses and saw the image below.
Not a ferrite-cored torroid, but a battery-cored torroid covered by cardboard.

In fact, you can not even trust your eyes concerning a 9V block battery.

Even these have been hacked.

The only thing that can be trusted:  multiple replications.

Regards, Earl