Hi everyone in Great Britain
Late notice I know but please try and attend http://www.stopthewar.co.uk/ (http://www.stopthewar.co.uk/)
March Monday 8 October:
All Troops Out Now
Our Right to Protest
Assemble 1pm Trafalgar Square For Rally
Speakers include Tony Benn, Brian Eno, Mark Thomas, Walter Wolfgang, George Galloway MP and Ben Griffin (ex SAS trooper)
March to Parliament
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The Government has decided to ban a peaceful march called by the Stop the War Coalition on 8 October. The protest has been called to demand all the troops withdrawn from Iraq immediately. The police have said all protests within one mile of Parliament are now prohibited. This is an affront to democratic rights and contradicts the Prime Minister?s commitment to liberalising protest laws. We urge the authorities to review this decision.
"The authority for this march derives from our ancient right to free speech and assembly enshrined in our history. It is only fair to tell you that the march will go ahead, in any case, and I will be among those marching."
Tony Benn, in letter to the Home Secretary
All the while Gorgon Brown has praised the brave people of Burma for standing up to a tyrannical Govt. ?!?!?!
Peace :D
I think there using democractic in the wrong way. A march is libertarian, otherwise it would be known as a "lynch mob"
This is a fine example of how confused people are. If you want to be democratic go ahead, it's just not fun when your not the majority. Democratic is a relative of collectivism, and is therefor related to socialism. I think the word most people intend for is libertarian. Libertarian is a relative of indvidualism. Liberatrians can also be called classical republicans. Not neo-conservatives like we see today in the republican party. A simple description of democratic would be majoritarian belief, and a simple definition of libertarian would be individual belief.
Thanks to the media, all the original definitions are screwed up. You have to do some serious info hunting in order to find something real.
Democratic: Their right to protest.
Libertarian: Our right to protest.
Democracy: People ruling people.
Dictators Republic: A man telling people what rule is.
Constitutional Republic: A constitution protecting peoples freedom to rule one's self.
Democratic government can be just as tyrannical. If you want to look into this more, check out non-modern day definitions on the internet, not the modern one's. A definition gains validation with age.
Looks like I overeacted again, but hey, you cant help it when you see a major problem. :(
I understand what you mean but...
I'm still going !
Its not about definitions its about lies, deceit and murder of hundreds of thousands of people
Which I think is the major problem.
Peace ;)
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on October 06, 2007, 02:56:23 PMDemocratic is a relative of collectivism, and is therefor related to socialism. I think the word most people intend for is libertarian. Libertarian is a relative of indvidualism. Liberatrians can also be called classical republicans. Not neo-conservatives like we see today in the republican party.
You want to see what a REAL Conservative Republican looks like? ronpaul2008.com (http://ronpaul2008.com)
Ron Paul is the last classical republican alive. He switched from the libertarian party because he wanted to show he wasn't afraid. I to think RonPaul is amazing.
We have no rights anymore, in this wonderfull country (sic). :'( We just have one group of political masters who agree with one another, when it comes to what they want.
@bourne:
I hate to get political on this forum but, you leave me no choice when you post such ignorant "facts". "All the troops out of Iraq now"...yes..that will solve everything. Terrorists will just go away and leave everyone alone. It was EXACTLY this kind of thinking that allowed a failed house painter to destroy half of Europe. Remember Nevel Chaimberlin? That was his attitude and what did it bring? Or, do you not know your history? I am against war, I HATE all war, but, when you are up against people that live to destroy you and your way of life, you have no choice.
I don't want to argue this on here, you have your opinion and I have expressed mine. We both have the right to do so because a lot of very brave men died for things they too believed in. I am an American but my ancestry is from Europe in the 1800's. I wish there were not evil in the world, but there is. I will leave you with a quote..."Evil triumps when good men do nothing." Peace.
Bill
Yep!
I'm still going. ::)
What evil? Tell me what the evil is? What is evil about being a guerilla fighter? ???
What is the evil? You have to be kidding me, right? When you have the majority of radical Islamic leaders stating that their mission is to convert the world to Islam or, if they can't convert, to kill the infidels. (That's us) Sounds evil to me. Are you planning on converting? I'm not. Please note that I am not speaking of all of Islam, only the radical extremists that are dedicating their lives to the death of us and our way of life. Anyway, that is what I meant by my quote in the above post.
Bill
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on October 07, 2007, 02:53:42 AM
What evil? Tell me what the evil is? What is evil about being a guerilla fighter? ???
A guerilla fighter by definition is someone who shoots people in the back from a well hidden position.
What is good about it?
Hans von Lieven
Thats right; it's neutral.............
No good, or bad....... ::)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 07, 2007, 06:29:26 PM
What is the evil? You have to be kidding me, right? When you have the majority of radical Islamic leaders stating that their mission is to convert the world to Islam or, if they can't convert, to kill the infidels. (That's us) Sounds evil to me. Are you planning on converting? I'm not. Please note that I am not speaking of all of Islam, only the radical extremists that are dedicating their lives to the death of us and our way of life. Anyway, that is what I meant by my quote in the above post.
Bill
Your in the dark if you think iraq wants to kill us because were infidels. Does gulf war ring a bell?
I thought we already destroyed their leader; what radical islamic leader are you talking about?
I am a very differen't type of person, I HATE intentional democrats. I HATE intentional
neo-conservatives. This is about Iraq, not the middle-east. I think you should go study up on Iraq and it's reasons for hate. I'm pretty sure it's about us being there and not infidels......
I respect your opinion but I have to say that you need to study history and obtain more information. Iraq was training terrorists, and seeking nuclear weapons and shooting at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone. The major source of the insurgency is soldiers from Iran...yes, army regulars in uniform and most others dressed as civilians. We don't really have a beef with the Iraqi people anymore, but that is not who is fighting us now. To anyone who knows the history of the gulf war, the Iraq war is nothing but an extension of that. They surrendered...remember that? They agreed to the surrender conditions...weapons inspectors, no fly zone, etc. They violated that many, many times...so to me, that means the peace is over...but you don't agree? If Japan surrendered unconditionally as they did in WWII, and suddenly started shooting at our boats at sea, do you think the surrender terms should still be in force? Oh, and in case you don't know this...we still have troops in Japan and Germany. Why can't we bring them home? It's been over 4 years now???? Study your history more and then you will see. This is a science forum and I don't want to clutter it up with political stuff. I have said my piece, and you have said yours and maybe, we can at least agree to disagree.
Bill
Pirate,
Its all a SCAM. And you, like many others, have fallen for it.
Watch "ILLUMINATI Bloodlines of power"
You can start from part 10 - which is modern times...
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Or start at the beginning, to see all of Histories REAL TRUTHS, starting
from Egyptian times, all the way to modern times.
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There are 31 parts.
Ron Paul supports removal of the Federal Reserve. The fed was put in place
by these evil people... and is a PRIVATE system - that the US Govt. Does NOT
have any control over. In fact, they have never Audited them.
The Fed can print as much money as it desires. It can change your Dollars
value on the fly... making you even more poor. It can crash stock markets.
As well as using the Inside information to gain advantage of the stock markets.
They almost have the entire world by the balls, thru world bank control.
As well as ownership of most major companies and infrastructures.
This is the REAL enemy of the people! As you will see from all
the things they have managed to do to the people of the
world all thru history. Its these people who we need to fight, before
its too late.
"The Bill grants just what wall street and the big banks for
25 yrs have been striving for - PRIVATE instead of PUBLIC control
of currency.
It (the Glass-Owen bill) does this as completely as the Aldrich bill.
Both measures Rob the GOVT and the people of all effective control
over the publics money, and vest in the banks exclusively and Dangerous
Power to make money along the people SCARCE or plenty.
Alfred Crozier, Ohio Attourney
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dec 22 1913 bill passed by sneakery when all but a few had left
for the holidays. Upon returning:
"This Act establishes the most Gigantic TRUST ON EARTH. When the
president signs this bill, the INVISIBLE govt the MONETARY POWER
will be Leagalized! The people may not know it immediately, but
the day of reckoning is only a few years removed... The WORST
legislative CRIME of the AGES is Perptrated by this BANKING BILL.
- Rep. Charles Lindbergh (R-mn)
"It can cause the pendulim of a rising and falling market to swing
gentlty back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause
VIOLENT fluctuations by a greater rate variation. IN EITHER CASE it
will Possess INSIDE INFORMATION as to the financial conditions and
advanced knowledge of the coming change, either up or down.
This is the STRANGEST, most DANGEROUS ADVANTAGE EVER PLACED
in the hands of a special privilege class by any GOVT that EVER EXISTED
They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage. They
also known when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well
for them when they control Finance..."
--Rep Charles Linberg (R-MN)
"A Super-State CONTROLLED by international bankers and international
industrialist acting TOGETHER to ENSLAVE the WORLD for their OWN
PLEASURE."
--REp Louis McFadden (D-PA)
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--PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON:
"We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most
COMPLETELY CONTROLLED GOVTs in the Civilized world - No longer
a Govt of free opinion, No longer a Govt. by... a VOTE of the majority,
but a Govt by the OPINION and DURESS of a SMALL GROUP OF
DOMINANT MEN.
Some of the Biggest men in the United states, in the field of
commerce and Manufacture are afraid of something.
They KNOW that there IS a power somewhere so organized, so
subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so COMPLETE, so Pervasive,
that they had better not speak above their breath when they
speak in Condemnation of it"
--PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON
Before his Death: " I have unwittingly ruined my govt."
These international bankers and Rockefeller-standard
OIL interests Control the majority of Newspapers and
the colums of these papers to club into SUBMISSION
or drive out of Public Office Officials who Refuse
to the the bidding of the powerful CORRUPT cliques
which compose the INVISIBLE GOVT."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"The warning of Roosevelt has much timeliness today,
for the real menace of our repubic is this
INVISIBLE GOVT which like a GIANT OCTOPUS Sprawls
its slimy length over city, state, and nation... It
seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our
executive bodies, our schools, our courts, our
newspapers, and every agency created for the
Public PROTECTION...
To depart from mere Generalizations, let me say
that at the head of this octopus are the
Rockefeller-Standard Oil interestand a small group
of POWERFUL banking houses generally referred to as
the International Bankers. The little coterie of
POWERFUL international bankers virtually run the
United Stated Govt for their own SELFISH
Purposes."
They practically control both parties, write
political platforms, make catpaws or party leaders,
use the leading men of private organizations, and
resort to every device to place in nomination for
high public office only such candidates as will be
amenable to the dictates of corrupt big buisness...
These intenational bankers and Rockefeller-Standard
Oil interests control the majority of newspapers
and magazines in this country."
--John Hylam, Mayor of New York
New York Times, March 26, 1922
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"The Federal Reserve definitely caused the
Great Depression by contracting the amount of
currency in circulation from 1929 to 1933"
--Milton Freidman, Nobel Prize winning economist
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"After WW1, Germany fell into the hands of the
German international bankers. Those bankers
brough her and they now owned her, lock, stock
and barrel. They have purchased her industries,
they have their mortages on her soil, they control
her production, they control all her public
utilities.
The International bankers have subsidized the
present Govt of Germany and they have also
supplied every dollar of the money Adolph Hitler has
used in his lavish campain to build up a threat
to the Govt of Bruening
When Bruining fails to obey the orders of the
German I.bankers, Hitler is brought forth to scare
the Germans into submission...
Throught the F.Reserve Board... over $30 billions
of AMERICAN MONEY... has been Pumped into Germany...
You have all heard of the spending that has taken
place in Germany...
Moderinistic dwellings, her great planetariums, her
gymnasiums, her swimming pools, her fine public
highways, her perfect factories. ALL this was
done on OUR money. All this was given to Germany
through the Federal Reserve Board.
The F.Resv Board has pumped so many BILLIONS of
dollars into Germany that they dare not name the
total."
--Rep, Louis McFadden (D-PA)