@All, Welcome... Builders, Researchers and Theorists alike... :)
I was researching the Steven Mark 'Toroidal Power Unit' and trying to help in the replication effort, I have now decided to work on Marko Rodin's Theory with the ideal of building a working Rodin Toroidal Power Generation Unit (RTPU)... based on a Rodin Coil... (thanks to wattsup for suggesting this thread, and for c0mstar for putting me onto Rodin's work.)
Rodin's theory is steeped in new age thinking and his claims are extraordinary, but if you put in the time to see past that you will see the undeniable truth of his new mathematics, which does show patterns in the basic theory of maths that have been missed until now, and does encompass all of existence... It will blow your mind...
so check out his site with an open mind:
http://www.rodinmath.com/
and his videos on you tube, here:
http://youtube.com/user/MarkoRodin
I will primarily work on Rodin Theory as I am really an analytical person and not a builder, though I will build if I really need to...
There is one thing I must state very clearly at the beginning of this thread:
Please approach what is written here with an open mind and before you post, please take time to understand the ideas on Marko Rodin's website. If you don't like his ideas or theories then you are probably not in the right place...
This thread is intended to be positive! Help keep it so!
A couple of simple requests to posters...
If you have more to add to a point you have already made, I would ask you to amend your original post if it does not alter its context within the thread (and thus make a later poster look like an idiot!) It saves space and makes the information content of the thread higher per post.. I adopt this practice so you may find if I have posted an answer to you that it might grow in time... ;)
If you reference another posters ideas or information for the first time in this thread, please credit them by name and highlight their name in blue, credit where credit is due, also others can then research the original source posts.
Let the research and fun begin... :) and to give you a helping-hand/start please find below, the
suggested build parameters for a basic coil (to help keep some uniformity to our endeavors, though do experiment outside of them)
some useful links and a
thread index ;)
oh, and please PM me if you wish me to add/change anything below...
Suggested coil build parameters - updated 9 Nov 2007
work in progress...
(thanks to Motorcoach1 for suggesting this section)Absolutely no materials with high dialectric properties, to avoid magnetic saturation and field limitation
See JNaudin links for an idea, but don't use ferrite...
For practical Rodin coil winding advice, from a master, I recommend that you view Rosphere's posts from page 3 onwards! To see Rosphere's completed coil, a thing of beauty, look here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58530.html#msg58530
- circumference - suggestion only, a portable size 6 inch
- air core material - ideally ceramic or other low diaelectric material, to avoid magnetic saturation
- wire type - your choice, but must be (flat if pos.) single strand/solid copper (see note below*)
- winding turns - multiple of 9, vortex (oscillations) centre number...
- winding style - see Russel P. Blakes paper on Rodin's site, or examine JNaudin coil (see link below)
- wire length - determined by number of winds, not critical at this stage
- central energy collection rod - again not ferrite... copper?
- waveform - sine, pure as possible... natures way...
* The fields created within multiple strand wire will create an uneven 'dirty' field, due to the fields of the individual strands interacting, which will then make the whole coil field 'dirty'. It will rotate etc, but I suspect the more interesting effects will not be present, the exact field topology is critical. Sloppy loose windings are also a big no, again they will distort the shape of the field.
Links to Rodin coil/toroid work elsewhere... - updated 30 Oct 2007
- JNaudin's 1997 work - Basic coil tests (for his TEP device): http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/rcoil.htm
- JNaudin's 1999 work - B Field torsion, rotating vortex: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/magvtx.htm (thanks Gothic)
- Rodin Coil Design - Robert N Boyd: http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/rodin.htm
- Segals Conformal Physics and the Rodin Toroid: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/SegalConf2.html#spherekronegperm
- Some Thoughts on Reading of Rodins Coil Design: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/rodin.htm
Links to work that support Rodin's... - updated 29 Oct 2007
- Pyramid DNA Vortex from a coil! http://keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm
- DNA's strange properties: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=362&Itemid=30
- Geometric Structures in Reality: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=30
Index of Important Posts - updated 9 Nov 2007
This will be updated from time to time, showing the last update of each important post... (thanks to Motorcoach1 for the idea) Join the effort, get your work listed here... credit where credit is due :) but note if a post's importance is surpassed by another then it will be replaced! Yes and that includes my own... all equals here...
Post Theme Maintainer Last Update (probably... not real-time)
- Basic Rodin Coil Theory - Early Ideas Acerzw 28 Oct 2007 11:08
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.msg56561#msg56561
- Nutcrackers Coil Numerology Nutcracker 21 Nov 2007 09:58pm
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg60505.html#msg60505
- Basic Rodin Pattern Theory - PDF (on hold) Acerzw 30 Oct 2007 00:31
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.msg56628#msg56628
- Coil Winding Diagram Bocas 06 Nov 2007 01:24
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg57897.html#msg57897
- Coil Winding Quandry - Which way to wind? Rosphere 08 Nov 2007 12:59
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58184.html#msg58184
- Completed Rodin Coil - A Work of Art! Rosphere 10 Nov 2007 22:28
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58530.html#msg58530
@all
at wattsup's suggestion I intend to contact Marko Rodin to ask if he will participate in this thread and will add any response on this post.
Update: I have today at 28 October 2007 10:15 UK time sent the following message to Marko Rodin using the 'contact us' email link on his website:
Hello, this is an open invitation to Marko Rodin to work with like minds in an open forum dedicated to the betterment of humanities lot in the area of power generation, please pass it on to him...
Marko,
I have had the privilege of working on Overunity.com for some time with a very dedicated group of people who have been endeavoring to reverse engineer a free energy device... Steven Mark's toroidal power unit... this effort has been sustained for 10 years,,, it is not finished, but no working theory is available for the device... so the effort is a struggle... this group has an amazing breath of knowledge and expertise around toroid coils...
I have recently been made aware of your work and being an intuitive person and with the experience and education I have gained from the above group can see that the potential for a free energy device based on your coil design is unparalleled...
I am aware of the control you need over the development of your theories and work based on them, but also note your philanthropic desire to better humanities lot...
I believe I speak for all in the group when I say that it is as goal we all share with you...
I would therefore like to extend a humble invitation to you to work with us if you wish, I am sure many would be prepared to help and put their knowledge and expertise toward bringing your ideas to fruition...
The following link will point you to the groups work on the above mentioned replication effort, which I think will show our seriousness, dedication and credentials (given the number of posts alone):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=49.0
and the link below is to a new thread which I have created with discussing your theories in application to practical devices:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.0
Kind Regards
Robert ***** (overunity.com forum name Acerzw)
26 November 2007 - Marko Rodin makes contact...
I have always been intrested in the Rodin coil set up. this is the first time that I've really looked into this. let's pick out a good base matierial to wind it from so we can colaborate as we work. I'll be studying up and look at all his videos and take some notes. Instead of reposting I'll just be adding to this post. I'll begain each new reply with (update-and the date) so as not to add confusion. This would help if everyone did this on there post. please let me know if you think this would work. the only draw back if may not autosend to Email to let people know of new postings. Mike
JLN labs has done some work with these unusual type coils, here is the link:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/magvtx.htm
I wish you luck and good fortune with this.
@Gothic, thanks for the link, will add that to my first post index... :)
@Mike (Motorcoach1)
Nice to have you on board! :)
Yes, that is what I had in mind also, though when you have a completely new idea or reply to someone else's post, you probably should start a new post...
As an extension of your idea, I will add an index to my opening post to important posts that are made... these posts can then be updated as necessary and I will put the last time updated on the index next to each entry from time to time..
I personally will not miss the email post update notification, as I will check back here most days... (and get enough spam already.)
Acerzw, making this thread easy to access for newbies and all alike..
@ Acerzw- Agreed in post replys to new posts, index sounds great .
(Index entry - Basic Rodin Coil Theory - Early Ideas, Updated 28 Oct 2007 11:26)
@All, Motorcoach
I think we need to work out a way to make Rodin coils, JNaudins work may be flawed to an extent because his coils used a core... see the below quote from Russ Blake's paper Analysis of the Rodin Coil and it's Applications on Rodin's site, this should be a key starting point for us... I know it is about motors but the same principles must apply to a power generator, so a Rodin air coil may be the way to go or if we can find a decent core material as you suggest. So maybe as a builder you can figure a method of making a roding coil around air, eek!
Motors
The increase in magnetic field over a conventional coil that is found with a Rodin Coil has been observed to be limited if the hollow torus is replaced by the ferrite core used in conventional electric motors. The reason is that the ferrite core reaches magnetic saturation, beyond which no additional magnetic field can be produced. Assuming this difficulty can be overcome by judicious choice of core materials, or that hollow cores can produce enough current, a motor based on the Rodin Coil could be markedly more efficient at generating electrical energy than a conventionally constructed electric motor. (The possibility of a hollow core electric motor is exciting due to the light weight of such a design.) Under this assumption, Rodin Coil motors would be useful in any application where energy consumption must be limited, such as marine, caravan, and space environments where available power sources are restricted; high pollution zones where fossil fuel consumption must be conserved; isolated or unmanned stations with limited fuel capacity and refueling difficulties; and portable motor-driven equipment of every description where battery weight is an issue.
No work has yet been done to create a motor using a Rodin Coil as a building block.
All of the work on Rodin Coils to date has been with 2D coils wrapped on the surface of a torus. Starting with the fact that the numerical patterns of the Rodin Torus has resulted in more efficient 2D coils, one can easily surmise that a layered torus wrapped in 3D would achieve an even much higher efficiency. No work has yet been done on 3D toroidal coils.
In regard to core materials this may be relevant (also from his site):
Microscopic Underpinning Nested Vortices
Every continuous medium has the inherent capability to be superconductive based on harmonic cascadence. Examples of continuous mediums, in the form of a toroidal matrix, are tornados, hurricanes, water spouts, solar systems, galaxies, black holes/white holes and maelstroms. There are many other examples of localized space-time implosions which Rodin refers to as underpinning nested vortices. Whether energy is maintained and survives in the form of a toroid, or spiral helix, or goes through mitosis and duplicates itself, is determined by whether or not nested underpinning vortices are staggered or aligned in their World Boundary Condition. A World Boundary Condition is represented in Vortex-Based Mathematics by the harmonic shear which, in the Rodin Torus Coil, turns into an electrical shear and allows for two electrical conducting wires to be touching each other side by side without shorting out regardless of the total amount of energy output. In a Rodin Coil, no insulation is ever needed to protect it from short-circuiting.
Acerzw
A while back I was looking at Pewski site and read up on the Rodin coil and some of the problems with the ferrit cores and have been studying about coils and windings. I agree that the hollow core is best for magnetic flux at greater field. I have made hollow cores before out of nurmouis matierials , this one it seams that a nonmagnetic ceramic that has good static properties would be a good canadate. This would be for something like the TPU rather that a motor application. what I'm looking for is something that has a static vortex (magnetic resonate) that can be taped. I'm sure that the Goberment has been working on this, one of the acknowledgements was from nasa. The round toy donuts sold at toy stores would work as a starter, the set comes in differet sizes and there fairly uniform in shape and cheep. the matieialI belive is polypropeline and has good electron migration holding. now to figure out the freq's to operate and the wire size. have you ever watched Dave Srader vids on UFO's and his math fourmula \?. very intresting Vid
@Motorcoach1
That sounds a good base for a coil build, simple is the key here... however the ceramic might be good too but I think we need to be really careful to avoid the magnetic saturation issue as mentioned in the 'Motor' quote I posted earlier... I wonder if the material of a hollow ceramic toroid would become saturated and act as a barrier or affect the field within the hollow core... my physics knowledge is not good enough to answer that question :(
Could you post a link to the Peswiki stuff, I had a look... but could not find it, is it still there? Update: The site may have not been peswiki, however I will trawl the net on a regular basis adding useful links to the index for all... and will add any links that others post that are useful too...
Acerzw
nondielectric matierials have a higher saturation point unlike metals. I'll look around and find a canadate or make a few so we have the same materials. I like to recycle things so i'm sure I can come up with something to get started. set up a base of pramiters we want to work with and where we want to go with it and put this in the index.
@Motorcoach1...
The parameters, we will have to feel/intuit them at first, I will put the basic build parameters in the index as we develop them, since you have build experience, please comment on them, suggest others, I will probably just start with a suggestion as to a standard coil size... what do you suggest as a good size?
Note: The papers on Rodin's site show there are many potential theoretical coil configurations, so part of the challenge will be to use his theory, which will take a fair amount of research, in order to figure out what each possible configuration may do... I suspect that the numbers hold the key and that each may affect different physical properties of reality... so we might discover an anti-grav coil by accident ::)
Once I have boned up on his theory enough, I will try to see if I can work out which configuration will be best... may take some time... but well worth the effort...
I hope Marko Rodin makes contact, so much we could learn...
Acerzw
p.s. slightly off-topic but Rodin's ideas about DNA are supported by an image that wattsup keyed me onto, he posted a link on the TPU thread (http://keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm). It was done with a Tesla coil... but makes you wonder what a good Rodin coil would do if it was used in this way! Tom Bearden often mentions the multi-dimensional nature of parts of Tesla's designs... which is a clear link with the Maths of Rodin's... plus see the paper by Tom Bearden at the end of Rodin's site... supporting his ideas... wow...
Hello all,
I have over a year a Rodin coil TPU. It works good.
Inner diameter 4", outer diameter 6".
You already mentioned the JLN labs page where I found this Rodin coil. Dont complicate it. Just make a donat ring with cork in the dimensions you want and wind the Rodin coil.
If you built it properly you will have a giant magnetic field if you pulse this coil. It was the best and biggest magnetic field I ever saw.
All the time I have 2 TPUs: 1 with a Rodin coil collector and 1 with a Mobius coil collector so I can see whats better.
Now a little warning: your oscilloskopes are in dasnger!!
Otto
@otto
Thanks for the warning, nice to hear you had a good and interesting field, yes basic is the way to go...
otto, what did you pump your coil with, sine or square waves? can you post a picture of your coil here with some basic specs? how did you wind it?
Cork electrical properties: http://www.scientific.net/0-87849-402-2/940/
I think we must use sines for this project, if possible... given that nature uses sines...
Acerzw
Hello all,
@Acerzw
I pulsed always my coils with square waves until I bought last week tubes.
At Naudins page you can find everything. A picture of my Rodin coil TPU would show you nothing because the Rodin coil is totally isolated with isolation band.
1. make a drawing on paper with the wanted dimensions
2. every 10? make a mark because the windings are in such a manner
3. my Rodin coil has 11 wires for A and 11 wires for B
4. wire diameter is #24 = 0,5mm
5. core made with cork
I dont know how long the wires are because I made my coil a loooong time ago and didnt wright down the lenght.
From my dimension, 6" outer, 4" inner diameter, you see that you cant wind it like in the picture. Its easy: just imagine, your hole in the middle is much bigger then that one in the picture.
ALL wires from 1 turn to the NEXT are concentrated at the INNER diameter. In this way you have also concentrated the magnetic field inside the donut.
I didnt measure the resistance or anything.
This Rodin coil I use as a collector. As controls I use my ECD coils.
Sorry, my picture was a quick one.
Otto
@otto
Thanks for your coil details... If I am understanding your diagram correctly your coil winding indicates that it is not a true Rodin coil... perhaps an otto custom job?... I think that for our new efforts here must stick to the winding style or described in the Russ Blake's paper on Rodin's site... since his coil design is based on a form of pure topologically precise maths... still interesting post...
Acerzw
(Index entry - Basic Rodin Pattern Theory - PDF, Updated 30 Oct 2007 00:31)
Roding Theory PDF Status: Early days, not worth downloading yet...
The Rough Plan Is:
I will start where Rodin did with basic numerology... since his patterns all consist of a few key power numbers... I will begin with a basic analysis of them... in the hope that they will reveal key properties... I will then move onto number groups composed of them in the hope that the combinations of key numbers may give some clues as to their possible uses... I notice that there may be other possible toroids patterns that can be made from his set of symmetric number sequences... these may have important implications when applied to understanding and applying his theory... though some of this may have been covered in Russ Blake's paper... more work to do on that...
The Theory PDF is attached to this post. I will add others useful contributions on the theory to the PDF and credit them...
Acerzw... organised research will show us the path...
(apologies GK for nicking your sign-off style, is not emulation the sincerest form of flattery/ripping stuff off :-[)
Hello all,
@Acerzw
my Rodin coil is almost flat and has dimensions to meet the 6" TPU. Yes, its my "invention" but a good one.
As I had in the time when I wound my coil only the Naudins picture I did it in this way.
As Im now a little bit cleverer I would make my Rodin coil with a hollow tube as a core. This tube should be made of teflon or silicone....then the windings with copper wires. This is maybe better than I did it but Im not sure. Im not sure because I cant imagine that there could be a bigger magnetic field than I already have it.
Otto
@otto
I think the size of the field is not very important, because of the very specific winding method, it is the shape of the field and the interaction of the cross overs of the windings that is important.. you see all the documents state the no one has built a perfect Rodin coil yet, because only a near perfect one will demonstrate the more unusual effects... also there is work to do on the theory we need to work out how to tap the energy out of the coil on we have a good coil... We must wind it like JNaudin at the very least and better if we can get it...
Acerzw
well we need pictures and links of rodin coils already wound well hey i have a very larg spool of 22 ga copper solid ready to jump right into a new coil but we need specks and the most basic layout of his coil and yes sure i will whip 1 up dubble time why the hell not as i have almost 50 tpu now why not a rodin stack too lol!!!!
ist
come on guys lets get to work i will build and play and post but we must have a starting point
lets first try and get marko here to assist and advise also i aint playing any more crazy games 1 is enough for a wile ;D
and i didnt even finish that one yet but what the hell i will do both ;D some one round up the specks i will build it
@ls
See the JNaudin links in the index post on page 1... for an idea of what a basic coil might look like... the exact configuration is something we need to work and experiment on... I will attempt to formulate a full spec from Russ Blake's paper, at the end of Rodin's main page... but it will take some time... will see what I can do...
Acerzw
@all
Marko Rodin has been in contact with abovetopsecret.com, it appears they requested information from him, he suggested a live camera link, and then posted his youtube videos's in response...
They are a somewhat sceptical bunch on that site, and one suspects slightly paranoid... see for yourself... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread310026/pg
I am hopeful our approach might be taken seriously... since he is prepared to contact sites of a more skeptical nature...
Acerzw
@all
A large part of the key is obviously the numbers 3 & 6 which Rodin describes the as the numbers between which everything oscillates, they as the his documentation indicates represent the two coil windings, 9 then represents the toroid centre vortex, which is the power takeoff point, where the non-ferrite rod is placed...
I suggest that we stick with a number of windings that is a multiple of 9, since it is the toroid centre vortex that we are trying to excite, it is unclear if this will make any difference to the field, but it would seem logical to make all the numeric design parameters multiples of these. I have updated the suggested coil parameters on the index post with this info.
The JNaudin circuit or something like it should probably, be used... would anyone care to look at his circuit (link in the first post index) and comment, improve on it, etc...
Acerzw
@acerzw,
Thank you for starting this topic.
I have seen several of the videos so far. Sunshine?
I have played around with the "=MOD('cell_address', 9)" function in a spreadsheet. (It needs to be nested in an IF statement to test for a zero remainder and substitute a "9" if true.)
I have not yet seen enough of the content to discern how these whole number games fit in with the whole coil design analogy.
Nor am I sure what he means by, ?bifilar.? I know what bifilar means, but how is it applied in this coil configuration; does he wrap two wires at the same time filling up 2/3 of the surface area, or does he wrap one wire filling up 1/3 of the surface area and then wrap the second wire to fill the adjacent 1/3?
I may answer my own question upon further exploration. I just wanted to thank you for piquing my interest with this topic.
Rosphere ? lurking is less expensive
Looked to me like this (my interpretation) , The diagram shows a red and blue segment lets say the red is one turn and the blue 1 turn. If you think of his chart as being shown as magnified then in this case the coil appears to be bifilar. The red and blue are side by side, but if you were to build the coil to scale then you would have to slice up the blue and red into continues wraps. Thus the width and empty space are to scale. I watched all the vids and took some notes, I remember he does show his coil he wrapped, sorry can?t remember what chapter, but if you find it have a close look at it.
C
@c0mster,
One of the first few video sequences says, "...the red and the blue are two windings...," (referring to the diagram in the video.)
I also got a better look at the coil in the video. The two wires do not seem to have been wound together; side-by-side at the same time.
Rather, it appears that one wire was wound along side itself until a third of the surface area was taken. Then, the second wire was wound in a like fashion.
I am pondering the construction of two identical prototype coils, set apart several feet and facing each other; perhaps in a vertical orientation or towards a particular pole--might need to try them all. Then, pulse one coil with a low voltage sine wave at slowly increasing frequencies until a bunny pops out of the other coil. ;)
@Rosphere
Thanks for posting the pic. Those blue things remind me of those kids toys you can get that you stack the different plastic rings. I am trying to understand just how this coil is wrapped so I can begin one as well. I am knee deep in another project currently but may move on to this soon.
@robsphere & c0mster
great to see your enthusiasm... rodin's own site is a great source for the information you want, I recommend re-examining its contents now and then... but Russ Blake mentions the coil configuration:
The Rodin Coil
The Rodin Coil is a toroidal?or doughnut-shaped?form wound by wires in a pattern consistent with the number patterns discovered by Mr. Rodin. Toroidal shapes wound with wires are commonly used for inductors in electrical circuits, often for use in transformers. However the pattern of winding in a Rodin Coil is radically different from conventional toroidal coils. Experimenters have produced some samples of the Rodin Coil to measure the effects of this new approach to winding wires around a torus.
To understand these effects it is necessary to review just a little electrical theory. When a current is passing through a wire it creates a magnetic field around the wire. When a wire is coiled like a cylindrical spring, as though wrapped around a pencil, the magnetic fields from the turns of the coil reinforce each other to increase the strength of the magnetic field. When the coil is bent into a circle, so that the ends meet, the majority of the magnetic force is concentrated inside the coil. This is considered a benefit in electrical circuit design, since stray magnetic fields can upset the operation of other parts of the circuit.
In a conventional coil the windings lay one after another just like the windings of a cylindrical spring. In a Rodin Coil, the windings lie on the surface of the torus, but do not lie consecutively adjacent to each other. Instead they reach along the surface, through the central, doughnut hole area, and 30 degrees short of directly across the torus. This forms, in addition to the wires on the outer surface, a crisscrossing circle of wires in the center of the torus. (The central figure formed by the wires in the doughnut hole is really a polygon of 24 sides for each completed wrap of the coil: so many sides it is considered a circle.)
Due to the central circle of wires in a Rodin Torus, it naturally creates a greatly increased magnetic field in the center of the torus, when compared to a conventional coil wound with the same amount of wire. In addition the field generated is much more coherent, in the sense of being much more sensitive to a particular frequency of applied current. These properties are the basis for useful applications of the Rodin Coil, as well as for any limitations in its use.
All this having been said, it is worth noting that no one has as yet created a coil precisely conforming to Mr. Rodin's exacting recommendations, all of which derive from the numerical patterns he has discovered in the decimal number system. The effects of a really well constructed Rodin Coil remain untested.
The increase in magnetic field over a conventional coil that is found with a Rodin Coil has been observed to be limited if the hollow torus is replaced by the ferrite core used in conventional electric motors. The reason is that the ferrite core reaches magnetic saturation, beyond which no additional magnetic field can be produced. Assuming this difficulty can be overcome by judicious choice of core materials, or that hollow cores can produce enough current, a motor based on the Rodin Coil could be markedly more efficient at generating electrical energy than a conventionally constructed electric motor. (The possibility of a hollow core electric motor is exciting due to the light weight of such a design.
Evolutionary Applications
<snip>
Before enumerating these practical possibilities, we should mention that they all require using the Rodin Coil in a more or less conventional fashion. We do not intend here to describe in complete detail how a Rodin Coil is wrapped, as this is covered to some extent in supporting documentation. (Detailed engineering work on Rodin Coil design specification still needs attention.) Here we only wish to point out that in a "real" Rodin Coil, there are two wires used to form the wrap; these are not connected to each other, but rather each wire is connected to itself to complete a loop at the end of the wrap. Thus there is no way to extract current directly from these wires or to energize them directly with an external current. In this section on Evolutionary Applications we divert from the strict Rodin Coil design, and energize the coils in a more conventional fashion, by connecting the ends of the two loops to one or two current sources or sinks, so we can utilize and measure the coil's properties along the lines of conventional electrical engineering. In the next section, on Revolutionary Applications, we revert to the true coil design as envisioned by Mr. Rodin.
Hope this helps... also look at links in the index post in relation to JNaudin's replication.
In relation to the whole number game, it is more to do with the patterns than the numbers... I will post further on this topic.... it is very interesting and requires a new understanding of maths as Rodins maths is not the same as normal maths... it is based on a different philosophy...
Acerzw
In relation to Rodin's maths philosophy I am reposting here a slightly edited version of a post I made on the 'TPU General Discussion' thread:
Rodin's maths is a superset of normal base 10 maths that can be applied to the universe, he has shown how he derived his ideas... so we have ideas on how to build on his theory... if you look you will understand the implications... I do not have to look too hard because I just 'know', I am lucky in that, it is not blind faith I am expressing, I have always had good intuition in matters of logic... I am not trying to boast... just state what appears to me to be 'true'... tis in the bones... but I can give it meaning in a less mystical way...
If you apply the logic of Kurt Godel, his theories show that any paradox in a mathematical or well formed symbolic language can be resolved by expressing the paradox, in a superset of that language... or at least when the definition or use of it symbols are changed to make the context bigger... it is a beautiful thing to witness... read Rodin's page and see how he derived his number system... simple... natural... and easy... so you were taught that maths has to be hard, that you need to sit in a room for years looking at dusty books and grow a beard to be intelligent and achieve anything with it... nice image if you are a professor or the next Einstein... but why should it be so... does not your 'gut' tell you that maths should not be hard, that it should be easy... like singing...
I think we all 'feel' that we should be good at maths, in our hearts, right? Have you ever asked yourself why conventional maths and anything expressed or based on it such as physics and EM theories are littered with infinities, paradoxes and singularities...
This is the point at which conventional maths always fails... Why is there no theory of everything that unifies Einsteins Relativity Theories with Quantum Mechanics... why do we have to resort to the convolution of adding multiple dimensions to everything... why does it all appear so complicated...
The answer is easy:
<<< Commence Zen Maths Rant >>>
We forget that numbers are just symbols... conventional science makes the numbers things... it confuses what the number symbolises with the 'number'...
Numbers are not things, they are placeholders for elements that form patterns, yet we try to subdivide these placeholders, we lose sight of the 'pattern' the bigger picture... then we are lost, lost, lost...
Once you realise that a number is not a thing, it is part of a pattern and that the pattern is important and not the thing, then you really see... it is like the old Zen saying... 'A finger pointing at the moon is not the moon'... so the placeholder, the number is not the pattern that is reveals...
So Rodin's maths appears different, mystical even, because it is about pattern, the pattern of existence that underlies creation... the pattern we do not see because we are to busy looking at the finger, not seeing what it is pointing too...
Rodin's Maths is the moon (not the finger, normal maths is the finger, the distraction necessary to reveal the moon's presence), an expression of the pattern of creation, and therefore the key to free energy or anything else you care to apply it to...
<<< End of Zen Maths Rant >>>
Rodin's maths solves all these conventional problems, it is the very breath of god...
So throw away your conventional thinking, stop thinking of numbers as things... see that is the pattern, the tapestry that the numbers show, like the windings on a coil, the pattern they form is important, the shape of the field they make when powered, but the wire is not the field...
Acerzw
Soon as I finish up this project I'll be on the Robin Coil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3nPa7Y7EBs
C
@acerzw, can you show one example of a maths complexity that simplifies using Rodin maths?
I purchased one ten-inch decorative foam ring from a craft store yesterday: 250mm Torus O.D., 38mm Tube Dia., $(tree-fiddy.)
Now I need to mark the OD with 36 evenly spaced points, stick a pin into the foam at every third point, and use these pins as guides to start wrapping my first wire. Once I hit all twelve points with the first wrap I will remove the guide pins.
My big question now is, what size mag-wire should I use?
My previous TPU failures have left me with nearly a half pound each of 30, 28, 26, 24, & 22 AWG mag-wire. If I use the thickest 22 AWG wire then I will need less wraps to cover the 2/3 area. But if I use the thinnest 30 AWG wire then I will get more wraps per the same surface area. The adult in me wants to use the 30 AWG wire for more length, stronger magnetic fields, and a lower (I assume) resonant frequency, but the kid in me wants to use the 22 AWG wire to complete wrapping that much sooner. Recommendations?
No I'm not being silly. http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ma/mattel-fisher-price-brilliant-basics-rock-a-stack.jpg
Quote from: c0mster on November 02, 2007, 02:35:34 PM
No I'm not being silly. http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ma/mattel-fisher-price-brilliant-basics-rock-a-stack.jpg
I may have some of those toy rings buried somewhere in the garage. You can probably get some cheap from a resale shop.
The largest blue toy ring looks about the size and color of the one that Rodin
's engineer used. (The man in the videos said, "I did not make this coil... I am not the electrical engineer... I am the presenter...")
There were larger and smaller sizes available where I had purchased my foam ring. I selected the ten inch size because it looked like the inside hole would be just large enough to slip my standard half-pound spool-o-mag-wire through, without having first to transfer a measure of wire onto a bobbin of sorts, as would be required with a smaller ring.
I just got home from work. I am too tired now to trust my measuring and winding. I will do it tomorrow. Besides, it looks like I am on my own with the wire size selection. Because my ring is larger than what we have seen to date, I can probably use a larger gauge wire--say, 24 AWG perhaps?
You know, 2+4 = 6. So, using 24 AWG wire is like using 6 AWG wire, but only if you chase away enough cats. And trying to start your car using 24 AWG wire should chase them all away. :D :(
Ya I should have gave my 2 cents on the wire size sorry , 30g maybe, it kind of looks like 30g or maybe a bit thicker at 28g, I guess with 30g you would get a higher resistance and stronger field but 24 would allow some amps to be hammered in. Glad to see your starting on the coil, keep us posted. I wish I had 8 hands to do more :) but then I would have 3 times more chances to get into trouble.
C
@c0mster
Nice project... if everyone who builds posts pictures etc, I will link to each build post from the index...
@Rosphere
IMHO it is always best to go for what the little kid in you wants! It usually views the universe in a simplistic way without all of the artificial rules that adults create, it is your creative intuition, give the little fella a chance and go with the AWG 22... (remember I am not an engineer, so I tend to go for things for reasons like those above, rather than conventional reasons, because those working with conventional methodology limit themselves in this way... taking oneself too seriously is a sure way to stagnation of the soul and the death of creativity! Children are naturally creative, Scientists tend to strangle theirs...)
I will find an example of Rodin maths and a problem that it solves which conventional maths cannot... will take a while to find and will post on it at a later time...
@all
I am going to examine the basic power tap idea for the vortex, and get into research on the subject... I have a suspicion that JNaudins implementation of the vortex power tap may have been doubly flawed, first because it used a ferrite rod (and thus suffers from magnetic saturation), but also because that the basic design was based on an incorrect assumption about the vortex... just a suspicion, so will post more if I think it is valid...
It occurs to me while I am writing this that the central vortex power take off rod, might give off longitudinal waves that could be tapped into by winding a simple coil of wire around the bottom of the rod, just far enough down it to be outside of the field... perhaps even one on other end, or a continuous one along the entire length of the rod? What do you think?
In general, it is going to take some time to formulate and understand how the application of Rodin's patterns relate to each specific element of the coil... he has done a lot of the work for us but I am sure there is an awful lot more to be learnt which will guide the way.
I can see that a good start is being made on building and experimenting :)
Acerzw
Quote from: c0mster on November 03, 2007, 12:07:32 AM
Ya I should have gave my 2 cents on the wire size sorry , 30g maybe, it kind of looks like 30g or maybe a bit thicker at 28g, I guess with 30g you would get a higher resistance and stronger field but 24 would allow some amps to be hammered in. Glad to see your starting on the coil, keep us posted. I wish I had 8 hands to do more :) but then I would have 3 times more chances to get into trouble.
C
I think the coil has only the number of turns indicated in his drawing. He also recommended to wrap the toroid with a flat cable instead of a wire.
Ahchoooo
Well, I did some measuring and a little winding today. I tried to show my methods in the pictures here; "... worth a thousand words," they say.
My mid-store-isle decision to get the ten inch decorative foam ring, eyeballing the probable hole size based on both my memory of the ratio of the hole in the images and my memory of the size of my wire spool, was correct. The spool fits through the center, (albeit only axially,) with just enough clearance to drop the spool through the hole for each and every wind.
This is by far the hardest coil to wind; it is damn near a two man job. I am pleased with my resistor-spacers, but I am not pleased with my windings: they seem too loose. The wire tends to slide around on the foam a bit. I have stopped winding until I can acquire some bee's wax, (as recommended by Bob Boyce for coil wrapping in general.)
I have gone around a half a dozen or so cycles of twelve winds. The spool needs to be unwound a bit, dropped through the hole, twist out any loops to avoid a wire kink, and wound around the slippery foam, held against its neighbor, and repeat for every turn.
Half a dozen cycles of 28 AWG has only gotten me about 10%, at most, of the way through the first, of two, windings. Let's see:
12 wraps X 6 cycles so far X 10 ten-percents X 2 wires = me dropping that spool through the hole over 1,440 times. If it takes me about 8 seconds for each wrap it will take over 11,520 seconds, or about three and a half hours worth of fussy wire wrapping.
Since I am only about 20% into the total wind, at most, and I will be making better windings using bee's wax later on, I will unwrap what I have done so far. I will take the opportunity to get some length measurements per each 12-wrap cycle so that I will have some idea about the wire lengths used in a completed coil on this decorative foam ring. :P
Great job Rosphere. It looks like wrapping these coils is going to be a real challenge, and we thought the TPU was hard LOL.
@rosphere,
just a quick stupid question and then an observation, that you can probably comment on. why did you start with 36 points? it has been my observation that the whole rodin toroid should be about nine points. three of which are not actually physically connected to the other six. IMHO, should we not consider wraping on a nine point toroid, with the pattern actually going from points 1-2-4-8-7-5? and then use a second winding for the 3-6-9? i know that this a little asymetrical when trying to conceptualize how to wind the coil, however would this not give us a physical pathway to send a pulse of any kind of sine wave, through a heterodyne pattern. thus leading us to the unconnected perpendicular points that intersect on the 3-6-9? will this possibly give us the right vector to receive any transverse power?
just a stupid question, and an observation, or was that maybe more, sorry guys.
lol
sam
ps: i did like you, i am sure, count the number of coils on the coil that marko held up as an example of a rodin coil, in the videos. there were twelve. why? it doesn't seem to jive. i have also read that noone has built a true or perfect rodin coil.
Quote from: supersam on November 03, 2007, 05:07:31 PM
@rosphere,
why did you start with 36 points?
See image from video...
Besides, 36 = 3+6 = 9; no problem. ;)
@roshpere,
yea i do see a problem, possibly, maybe, kinda. if you start trying to chase that diagram following the 124875 there dosn't seem to be any symetry either. am i imagining this or, can you help me with understading this. no disrespect intended. i am just trying to find the right way also. just wondering. i know otto has said he has something similar to a rodin coil, so maybe, even if it was only inspired by rodins work and totally new, it has a magnetic field that he has never seen. i am just wondering if the examples that were in the video are actually rodin coils.
i am having alot of trouble getting my mind around, how the drawing you showed in your last slide works. i saw it on the vids, but, i still can't figure out how it fits the big picture. if you know what i mean. i'm sure marko, could explain it and make perfect sence of it real quick, but i am a little thick. any help you can give, other than 3+6=9, would be appreciated, i am sure by all.
lol
sam
Quote from: supersam on November 03, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
@roshpere,
yea i do see a problem, possibly, maybe, kinda...
...any help you can give, other than 3+6=9, would be appreciated, i am sure by all.
lol
sam
@supersam,
Sorry, man, I can not connect the dots myself. Play with a few spreadsheets. I found that this 'repeating inverse sequence relationship' happens with numbers other than nine as well. Were we to have been born with six digits per hand then I suppose that the number eleven would be all the rage.
The man in the video attempting to connect the number nine to answer the meaning of life, the universe, and everything is not the same man that made the coil; he says this one of the early video sequences.
When I wrote that, 36 = 3+6 = 9, I was only serious. So far, this is the only type of connection that I can see. (Keep in mind that I lack the intelligence to pick up what SM has put down.) This is why I asked acerzw if he could show one example of a maths complexity that simplifies using Rodin maths; he seems to have a better insight into this aspect than me.
My current interest lies in replicating this coil configuration and then, "massaging it," with sine waves of various frequencies to see if I can find this magnetic vortex thingy. If I can create it and detect it then I will be more interested in any connections existing between the coil and the new maths theory.
Coil Winding Update: I backed off the 28 AWG wire, (and my intention to measure one closed path of wire. I will find my yardstick if I get some results.)
I found, 'bol-wax,' instead of bee's wax and I picked-up some map pins while I was out, (to replace the resistors as dimensional placeholders.)
I used a fresh twenty-dollar, half-pound, spool of 24 AWG mag-wire. I looped it around two fingers a few times for lead wire, then once around a green pin to anchor it for winding.
The light coating of wax that I placed on the ring before winding seems to help align the adjacent wires, allows them to be pulled tight, and provides a small amount of tackiness that helps keep past winds from pulling loose and slipping out of place. Also, add a bit more wax when the winding is complete and any wires crossing over the foam form can be easily flattened out with a fingernail.
But, let me tell you, the feeling is like planting flowers; you just can not do it and stay clean. Wax gets all over your hands, your working surface, and your clothes if you are not careful. (I was not, but I had my old sweat pants on--the ones with the paint stains.) It feels slick and sticky at the same time. It gets all over your hands and it makes you feel like you need to shower right away.
I used the whole spool of wire and only covered slightly over a third of the surface. So, if I do not want to buy another spool, I could finish with 22 AWG wire and have a, "Frankincoil?"
I have to take the skinheads bowling now. More later.
Later that evening...
I count 38 wraps of 24 AWG mag-wire. That's 456 trips through the center of the ring for the spool.
I considered cutting it in half and using it as-is. I decided, instead, to sink another twenty bucks into another half-pound of 24 AWG mag-wire. I hope to acquire another spool tomorrow.
I am also considering picking up two, triple-series-AA-battery-holders, and six AA batteries to drive my function generator with more currant than I once did with a voltage-splitter-resistor-pair off a 9V.
But I am not powering up anything until I wind the second spool-o-wire. :P
@Rosphere
That coil is a work of art! Can't wait to hear how it works!
BTW what film is your avatar taken from?
Acerzw
I now have another half-pound spool of 24 AWG mag-wire.
I know what section I wish to fill. I know which direction I wish to fill that section. The only thing that stumps me now is which way to wind the wire: with the flow of the fist section, or against it.
Up until now I had assumed that I would wind in the same direction as the first coil, as if I had just kept winding without a break between the two coils. Now, I have the sudden urge to wind in the opposite direction.
Do not be confused by the geometry; I will continue the make the copper "spokes" grow fatter in the same fashion. The direction the wires are wound, as compared to the first section of winding, will be unnoticed by humans, not electrons. In other words, if I were to ground the two coils where they meet at one end, then the electrons moving in one coil will start off going up one side of the decorative foam ring while the electron moving in the other coil will start off going down.
It probably makes no difference which way I wind. I can always switch the wire leads on one coil,... right?
Maybe not. Maybe it does make a difference. ???
Rosphere--inclined to unwind
Quote from: c0mster on November 03, 2007, 03:45:50 PM
Great job Rosphere. It looks like wrapping these coils is going to be a real challenge, and we thought the TPU was hard LOL.
Quote from: acerzw on November 05, 2007, 07:54:56 PM
@Rosphere
That coil is a work of art! Can't wait to hear how it works!
BTW what film is your avatar taken from?
Acerzw
Thank you, gentlemen.
My current avatar is a scene from, "It's a Wonderful Life." Jimmy Stewart plays George Bailey who has just found himself in Pottersville, instead of Bedford Falls, to see what life would have been like if he had never,... shared his energy secrets. Everybody buys their energy from Mr. Potter.
I may be off on a few details.
Please, someone back me up on which way to wind. I want to wind my second coil opposed to the first coil.
I had to wait all day Sunday because the store was closed. I busted-up a good lunch-hour today racing out to buy the spool-o-wire. The clock dragged-ass all afternoon because I could not wait to get home with my copper prize to finish my coil.
I finally get home, help my daughter with her math(s), help my son clean out his fish-tank-filter, and now here I sit here on my hands because I am not sure which way to wind the next wire. >:(
QuoteIt probably makes no difference which way I wind. I can always switch the wire leads on one coil
I agree here. I think I remember in the video Robin mentioned the flow was opposite but the coils are wrapped the same way. I know it?s a lot of work wrapping those coils and hats off to you for the great work. If once you connect it up and play with the sines and there is no affects then perhaps as a last attempt someone could try wrapping a different coil a different way. But that is up to your own discretion Rosphere, use what your intuition dictates.
Cam
Hi Rosphere:
The work you have done is very impressive. I know how hard it is to wind a toroid by hand.
I'll second c0mster's motion for the opposite winding. But as c0mster said; use your intuition.
The reason I would like to see what happens with the windings going the other direction are at the bottom of this page:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3538.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3538.0.html)
In spite of the fact that I am still recovering from being throughly embarrassed about loosing my virginity in the thread. You'll lnow what I mean if you go there. Although there were a couple of interesting posts here and I think the topic is a worthy one.
Take care.
nap
In Marko's Videos he talks about XYZ vectors. 1 and 8 are the x axis, 4 and 5 are the y axis, 2 and 7 are the z axis. Now if you look at how the coil is wound you can see 1 7 4 and 2 8 5 vectors. The 174 vector is plus and the 285 vector is minus.
@Rosphere,
WELL DONE, please go on with your implementation, in the mean time I'm preparing to do the same, just trying to find the correct annular plastic support. I'm courious to see the difference with the Caduceus I tested some time ag?. In those tests I were able to take out about 60W on a 230V lamp (no OU but near). I still have the test pictures that I will compare.
I'm not sure about what you want to do with the second opposing winding that you are going to wind, would you be so kind to detail? With Caduceus coil I used it as a single coil but with an inner 90 degrees collector connected directly to lamp load.
Roberto
Quote from: ronotte on November 06, 2007, 09:11:45 AM
I'm not sure about what you want to do with the second opposing winding that you are going to wind, would you be so kind to detail?
Hello, Roberto. I hope that you are well.
Yes, It is difficult to describe with words alone what my question is regarding the winding of the second wire. Since I am at work now, I have no time to make and post a drawing for clarity. Referring to the figure that bocas posted above, I already have the red wire wound as shown (1 7 4, 1 7 4, 1 7 4,...) and my question is about winding the green wire. There are two ways to wind the wire along the green path; to start-off winding over the top of the form (2 8 5, 2 8 5, 2 8 5,...) or to start off winding under the bottom of the form, (2 5 8, 2 5 8, 2 5 8,...).
Some have advised to wind the green wire in the same direction as the red wire and I can reverse the current if need be. But this little voice inside keeps telling me to wind in the opposite direction. I can not discern if this little voice is the voice of success or the voice of failure. If I do wind in reverse and it turns out to be wrong, will swapping the current flow also work in this case?
I think the winding difference has to do with the direction of current flow from one wind to the next along the perimeter. Perhaps I will make some detailed drawings showing what I mean after work today. My issue is really quite simple, yet difficult to describe. If you were in the same room with me and I had my coil in hand then I could show you what I mean in less than thirty seconds. Perhaps I should make a short video clip.
Rosphere--more later
rosophere,
first let me say great work on the coil! i think i am beginning to catchup a little bit with your work and that post by boccus.
i also agree with comster, that somewhere in the rodin videos, marko, said that the coil can be wound in the same direction because the math takes care of the problems. i will continue to search, however a did find this quote in video five. marko said, "linearity is what makes 3-d." to me this says the same thing. continue on in the same direction. just my two cents worth. at least if you keep going in the same direction you won't have to tear the whole coil back to foam.
lol
sam
wow Rosphere. that looks like a chore to build. Sure is preedy tho. Nice to see you around again. :)
Rosphere,
if I remember well the 'second winding' purpose is to allow something like a bifilar approach: so possibility to cancel at a second level (?) the magnetic field or for signal extraction. None reported the use of second winding as tests run by JLN and Helwett & Packard have used only the Rodin as a single coil even if they have placed the second winding. Again NONE used the Rodin to provide power (in my knowledge) but only for behavior study.
To summarize it could be useful wind both windings in the same direction, anyway this is what I'll do. Second I'll wind, as I've done with Caduceus coil, not not only one wire but rather 2 or 4 thin copper enamelled wire in parallel as I've already checked that this is far superior than the single wire run (this in terms of output on lamp).
Again may be interesting to sneak a tick collector wire inside the annular form and try to collect power....
Now I'm still finding necessary components.....but I'll join you soon.
have fun
Roberto
Hello all,
@Roberto
use at least 10 wires in paralel and wind the 2 coils in same direction. Make then 1 ECD control and pulse this little TPU.
A warning: your scope probe should be NEAR the output, not connected.
Otto
Quote from: Moab on November 06, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
wow Rosphere. that looks like a chore to build. Sure is preedy tho. Nice to see you around again. :)
Thanks, man. It looks harder than it "turns-out" to be. It is a hard start, what with all the measuring and winding to the correct points in the correct order and all. But once you have laid the first wire to all of its twelve points, (one complete path,) and you practice wrapping alongside this path with a few more turns, you will start to pick-up a rhythm.
I put together this image last night. I did not get as far as I wanted; I wanted to show a 2 x 2 matrix of the two winding methods with the two current flow directions. I think the difference is subtle, but it may also be sublime.
Rosphere--off to work again, more later
EDIT: Better graphic on the way... :-*
Here it is. More later. Off to work again. :P
[EDIT: Image moved to next page to join another.]
wow the work in here lol
@rosphere
have we growen yet? lol
nice to see your hard work looks great
so why not understand the tpu first it will make this job easy lol
1 more idea go get rodin
i can and will build this lol
then we will make it better 8)
yes i can do it that too as i think
but why? we can do the same thing easyer lol
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on November 08, 2007, 11:22:42 PM
1 more idea go get rodin
I emailed him through his youtube account to come here, but I doubt he has time. ;) We'll see.
i spoke to some one that knows him perosnlay l will add more l8r
i add this
Rodins math if given half a chance will make all of you people dance and maybe you just might understand for a wile ........
if you have reasons to dislike the man do not overlook his work and the genuiss involved he did not do it alone but then who the hell does lol
as i understand he has lived a tough life as most of have he has not found his way to the answer yet as we all have not eather ;)
we all put on our pants the same way ..... one leg at a time
ist
If funding were no problem for me then I would simply purchase three more foam rings and six more spools of wire, (~$135), and make two rings with wires wound in the same direction and two rings with wires wound opposed. Then I could test the old transmitter-coil/receiver-coil configuration using both winding methods. Where do you suppose Uncle Billy lost our deposit money? >:(
@all posting on this thread
Guys, apologies I have neglected this thread for a while and was astounded to see all the amazing work you have done! You are probably aware by there has been some heavy stuff going down on the TPU End Game thread and also GKs Hetrodyning thread... However I as I have posted on those thread I have found a great book 'Pyramid Energy: The Philosophy of God, The Science of Man' written by Dean & Mary Hardy and Marjorie & Kenneth Killick, published by Delta-K Products ISBN 0-932298-58-7. I highly recommend spending a bit of your hard earned coil building funds on this.
I suspect that a rodin coil configured along the line of Edward Leedskalnins device documented in the TPU Theory PDF, with some magnets could be used to create a more advanced power generator than the TPU. I wonder what Tesla would have made of Rodin's coil?
Anyway I will spend some time in the next couple of days updating the index posts with references to your outstanding work! I am really impressed with what you have achieved! I will be looking for clues in the above book while I am studying it, that links into Rodin's work... I will post any such findings on this thread!
Acerzw
The first image below was moved from the previous page.
The image below that is a better showing of this electron movement sense along the outer part of the ring.
The top four ring sections show the two wires wound in the SAME direction. The electrons move from one corner of the parallel wires to the other, in a sense, from the negative end to the positive. I have attempted to show all four possible electrical connections.
The bottom four ring sections show the two wires wound in the OPPOSITE direction. The electrons move from one corner of the parallel wires to the other, in a sense, from the negative end to the positive. I have attempted to show all four possible electrical connections.
Again, the angles are shown a bit more dramatic than what might expect, only for illustration.
Rosphere--yeah, I know, "just flip a coin and wind the dang wire already, would ya?"
Lucky for you guys; my vacillating has ended. I have decided which way to wind my second wire. A good friend of mine has decided to back me up if I make the wrong choice. She thinks my ring is sexy. She will spring for the copper if I wind the first one the wrong way and I wish to have another go at it. I feel like the richest guy in Bedford Falls. :D
Quote from: Rosphere on November 09, 2007, 10:53:15 PM
Lucky for you guys; my vacillating has ended. I have decided which way to wind my second wire. A good friend of mine has decided to back me up if I make the wrong choice. She thinks my ring is sexy. She will spring for the copper if I wind the first one the wrong way and I wish to have another go at it. I feel like the richest guy in Bedford Falls. :D
why build this at all
lol!!!
make you think rosphere !?!?!?!?!?!?! have we growen?
ist
Here it is.
Rosphere, Pure artwork man!
Quote from: innovation_station on November 10, 2007, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on November 09, 2007, 10:53:15 PM
Lucky for you guys; my vacillating has ended. I have decided which way to wind my second wire. A good friend of mine has decided to back me up if I make the wrong choice. She thinks my ring is sexy. She will spring for the copper if I wind the first one the wrong way and I wish to have another go at it. I feel like the richest guy in Bedford Falls. :D
why build this at all
lol!!!
make you think rosphere !?!?!?!?!?!?! have we growen?
ist
Thank you for your interest in the Rodin coil, and my work especially. I am happy that this topic has garnered the interests of a hero member. Your contributions to this topic will be appreciated. :)
Quote from: Gothic on November 10, 2007, 05:47:49 PM
Rosphere, Pure artwork man!
Thank you. :)
It took about two hours to wind the second wire, and several days to decide which way to do it.
@Rosphere,
G R E A T
I'm literally without words!!!!!!If it does operate like it is beatiful....MY GOD.
I can't wait you test it.
Roberto
@Rosphere
Just picked my Jaw up off the floor... That has to be the sexiest coil on the planet! Something that beautiful has got to be capable of something interesting... I would be interested to see if you place it over a sheet of aluminum and pulse it with AC what happens... basic coils tend to levitate to a degree, just wondering if yours might do something better! :o
I have added it to the index post, in several different places... I think maybe you might also want to post a picture on the TPU End Game thread just to show people... as they don't all visit here... ;)
Acerzw
Very cool Rosphere! I'm very curious what this can do as well.
It seems kind of strange how Rodin's work seem to be so under the radar. If there is validity in his approach the implications are enormous.
Quote from: acerzw on November 03, 2007, 09:48:11 AM
I will find an example of Rodin maths and a problem that it solves which conventional maths cannot... will take a while to find and will post on it at a later time...
Have you found an example?
I have looked at Mr Rodin's 'maths' . Its just a simple series of numbers based on a shape, in this case a circle. Mathematics is used to prove a theory and predict behaviour of some system. The only thing Rodin's 'maths' does is predict the next number in a selected sequence. So what I ask!
I could do the same thing using a triangle as a starting point for a number sequence. The end result would be meaningless.
Here is a really simple question. How would you express the standard mathematical formula distance=velocity*time in Rodin maths?
ERS
hears the gold with rodins math
the map
the coil = the door
ist
soooo hummm now we have a door and and the map where are you gonna go ?
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I would like to give an update on my activities since finishing my Rodin Coil.
I found my signal generator. The first night I tried to use it, it stopped working. I thought I had broken it and went to bed discouraged. The next day I found that the casing was loose and the cap range selector knob had come apart inside. I had trouble with this thing months ago; I forgot how temperamental it is.
My oscilloscope is still packed away but, as I always do when testing coils, I set my AM radio on the lowest frequency and placed it next to the ring during testing. Even with fresh batteries, the sine wave is weak from my SG. So, I tried the square waves and then I was able to hear "clicks" on the radio at lower frequencies which turned into tones of increasing pitch as I increased the frequency.
When I got to the 530 kHz range, my digital AM radio showed that it had locked into a signal at that range. So, I moved the radio up a few notches until I found a station, I think it was 560AM or thereabout. Then I slowly increased the frequency of my SG until it effectively blocked the radio station. At this point I moved the radio away from the coil a few feet and then I could start to hear the radio station again, despite the blocking. I have seen these effects with other coils that I have tested. No big deal here.
I then found a coil, about the size and weight of a full penny-roll, that was once a part of my grandfather?s old 120V tester, placed it in the middle of the ring and connected it to a Fluke multi-meter. At one particular frequency, somewhere in the 100 kHz range, I found a 20V AC reading on the Fluke-12.
I had a small compass in and around my coil during all of these frequency sweeps?nothing, no spinning.
Now, I am thinking about how to drive more power into my ring, and in the form of sine-waves, as the Rodin videos suggest. I need to locate a patch cord to connect my computer headphone jack to my old ghetto-blaster. Then I will hook-up my coils to the left and right speaker jacks, find a good free program to generate sine-waves that I can control the left and right speakers independently, and crank up the volume. I am thinking that if I get any dangerous feedback my old boom-box will take the hit and spare my PC any damage.
In the meantime, EM Devices has caught my attention with his Tiny TPU. If he posts enough data to replicate it then I will want to make the attempt.
Rosphere--more later
Quote from: Rosphere on November 14, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
... find a good free program to generate sine-waves that I can control the left and right speakers independently,...
I was up late last night fishing around for a good program. I downloaded a few and played around with them. Most do not go above 100~200 kHz; I suppose that this is because higher frequencies are inaudible to humans and outside the reach of a PC sound card. Even with this lower frequency limit, I am still interested in testing my Rodin Coil with more power.
To access the higher frequencies, with more power, I may be able to patch my signal generator through my boom-box. However, this limits me to one signal, not two as with the software generators.
I hope that I discover something interesting to report this weekend.
@all
As a matter of interest I was reading Rodin's site and came across the document by Tom Bearden towards the end which appears to explain how to generate OU from a coil like Rodin's... I have posted an annotated copy with my explanations on the TPU End Game thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2702.msg59428.html#msg59428
Acerzw 8)
Quote from: Rosphere on November 14, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
...I need to locate a patch cord to connect my computer headphone jack to my old ghetto-blaster....
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I just found a nice one. "Victory is mine!"
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EDIT: My first test, induction from one coil to the other. (~3.9V sinusoidal wave input on first coil.)
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To access the higher frequencies, with more power, I may be able to patch my signal generator through my boom-box. However, this limits me to one signal, not two as with the software generators.
Hi Rosphere :)
You might try the parallel port and a step drive circ for delivering pulses http://electronics-diy.com/electronics/stepper_motors.php
Oh.,, Rosphere,, you can be a twisted unit bro,,lmao
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Here are a couple videos that I just made.
I cut-off the bottom half of a water bottle and placed it in the center of the ring, (a good fit,) with several ounces of water. I then taped a 3/8"^3 neo' magnet inside of a bottle cap, with its poles facing the O.D., (perpendicular to the axis of the cap,) sealed in the air with more tape, and placed some black tape on half of the circumference and half of one face for visibility.
The ring is being fed a sinusoidal wave ~5.4V at a frequency of 7.83Hz. (The spinning effect occurs around the range of 6 to 11Hz.)
Enjoy. :-*
EDIT: I first placed the neo' mag' in the center without the cup. It had a tendency to flip around the center for a short time before being sucked under the coils.
Then I put the mag' in the cup, (no water.) It flitted about the cup randomly, favoring ~42Hz. Sometimes it would stop moving if it landed dead-center in the cup.
Finally, I tried the cap and water to give it some stability. Rotation does not happen at ~42Hz, only around 6 to 11Hz.
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In this video I have removed all of the water from the cup and placed four 3/8"^3 neo'-mag's inside. (I secured them together at a 45-degree difference between each other with tape for more "roll-ability." They are all connected in attracting direction, just spun a bit on the axis. The tape is there keep this orientation from slipping out of place during operation. This step is not really necessary. The assembly tumbles quite nicely just stuck together in a normal squarish fashion--I was just trying to see if I could get a bit more movement without those four flat sides to overcome.)
I am using a ten second loop of a sinusoidal frequency sweep from 440 to 1Hz.
@rosphere
try powering your coil with AC over an aluminum plate, a normal coil will float on and off as demonstrated by Ben Rich, ex-head of Lockheed Skunkworks. Worth seeing what your rodin coil does, 12v may be enough!
also please find below a picture of stonehenge posted by innovation station on the GK Heterodyning thread... as noted by armagdn03 some interesting geometry is evident...
Acerzw
Quote from: acerzw on November 19, 2007, 03:12:41 PM
try powering your coil with AC over an aluminum plate, a normal coil will float on and off as demonstrated by Ben Rich, ex-head of Lockheed Skunkworks. Worth seeing what your rodin coil does, 12v may be enough!
I tried that--no levitation,... no bunnies. :( :D
The thickest aluminum plate that I have was peeled off of a roll from the kitchen, if you know what I mean. What is the minimum thickness required for this levitation effect?
Also, I am not equipped to push 12V AC into my coil. The maximum that I can deliver is nearly half that; almost 6V. I suppose that I could use my 12V battery charger, but that would limit me 60Hz with an inverted negative polarity.
Because I routed the signal through my boom-box, I was able to use the volume control to lower the power to my previous maximum. At this lower level I was unable to see some of the posted results that occurred at the highest volume, (voltage.) I imagine that other thresholds of performance may exist at higher power levels.
If you would like to send me thicker aluminum and stronger equipment then I will more than happy to try it again. ;)
Or, I may even sell my coil on eBay. (I purchased my wire and foam ring from retail stores, instead of buying on-line, so my cost in parts alone was nearly $45 dollars. Plus, I have several hours tied-up in construction. So, I might start the bidding at $60?)
If anyone here has better equipment than me, and would like to purchase my coil for tests, then send me a PM and make me an offer. I think that I have done all that I can do with what I have available to me. The most that I have seen with this has already been posted in my videos and... I am starting to lose interest. :-\
;D
rosphere
dont lose intrest im just round the cornner
and will join the fun verry soon too but i have a few things to take care of first
after that lets start moveing things around the planet and hey who knows maybe across the universe ;)
what do you say ?
william
@Rosphere
Ã, Ã, Very nicely done coil....Ã, beautiful.
@All
Ã, I have put together a pdf of my understanding (very basic) of the coil and the Numerology involved in why it is wrapped the way it is.
Ã, Pg 1 is the coil setup that Rosphere did.
Ã, Pg 2 is a coil setup using a different parameter (x = 4).Ã, This causes the 2nd winding to be done in reverse. (not sure what would affect)
Ã, Pg 3 is the same as Pg 1 except there are 72 points around instead of 36.... This should give a larger center and have a more circular toroid shape to it instead of the wedge going to the center.
Ã, Pg 4 is the same as Pg 3 except using the (x = 4) parameter.
Ã, Pg 5 is a diagram and examples I gleaned from the Roden coil and related information.
Ã, Again, this is just my understanding... It could be right or wrong.Ã, Ã, :-\
Nut
Quote from: innovation_station on November 21, 2007, 09:43:14 AM
what do you say ?
I'm speechless. ;D
Quote from: Nutcracker on November 21, 2007, 04:58:24 PM
Very nicely done coil.... beautiful.
Thanks, man. :)
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...This should give a larger center and have a more circular toroid shape to it instead of the wedge going to the center.
Or, the wedge, (profile,) may be important. One never knows... :'(
No offers yet for the coil. I may hang-on to it. If William makes one just like mine then we may finally be on the same wavelength. :D
After all, I may eventually obtain better equipment. I would like to get me one of those jdo300-MC-HV-SG units with phase control and automatic ice maker, ;), when it comes out.
In the meantime, I have been having a bit of fun charging up a cap with my MOT, to a couple hundred volts, and pulsing the coil with one spark-gap burst. It throws that four-neo-mag assembly, from my 'dry' video, clean out of the ring. It reminds me of one of our cats when I suddenly move one of my unnoticed feet across the carpet. Good times. :D
Rosphere--
heavy on the emote-icons lately :P
Rosphere
Before you rid yourself of the coil perhaps you could run a test. Some where on this site there is a link to video of two guys from cal. who separated out inductive energy from resistive with a test rig made of air inductors and resisters run in series and then in parallel to prove some form of standing wave theory. Im new to this site so where it was is not so easy for me to find.
Any way perhaps when pure inductance is fed into the coil at or from the beginning or end of one these test rigs it will suck in the corresponding opposite and missing other component which can be drawn through a load be it resistive or inductive depending on how the test rig is set up.
The one repeating theme seams to be that what is perceived to be energy is actually a collection of different opposing individual energies which combine into useful power by modern day terms of power. If you can draw one of the components by setting up a situation where it is missing in a device that lends itself to being dependent on a balance of both maybe it will pull it in from who knows where.
I have to go hunt that video link down and try to make some notes to try this out on my cooks coils since I spent the time to make them. I have never tried to make the one you have. I have a couple conical tesla coils I can run the test on also after the thanks giving day none sense is over.
Have a happy Turkey Day guys
@Nutcracker
Nice PDF...
@Rosphere
The aluminum used is typically 4-5mm thick and 12 volts may not be essential....
The magnet vids show a rotating vortex which is a good effect, I would hang on to that coil if I were you... few are patient enough to make a good job of one...
Acerzw
I just got back from the post office. My coil is on it's way to Europe.
I have shipped it to a gentleman with more capable test equipment than what I currently have available. He is a good man. He promised to post his test results here in this forum and I trust that he will.
It should arrive in 5-6 days, (according to the post office.) I had to fill out a customs form with a description. I simply wrote, "RODIN COIL." I wonder if it will go through an x-ray machine. I wonder if the post office will release the test results. :D
rosphere,
can you wrap one more on a ferite core?
i wonder what one will do on dr. stifflers, thomas, circuit, or how it would perform on emdevices circuit? just the stupid thought of the day.
lol
sam
Quote from: supersam on November 23, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
can you wrap one more on a ferite core?
As long as the core is big enough to slip the spool through the center hole. What are the dimensions of your core, if you don't mind me asking?
roshere,
i'm just a stupid ironworker as i have said many times. probably the best question for me wold be, how big are your spools of wire? i am just thinking off the top.
i'm watching alot of positive results, with emdevices, "torodial coils", that have, nowhere near the symetry that the rodin coil, as you built it , has. i was just,"wondering", what kind of results would one of your rodin coils wound on a ferrite coil might have?
i know this is probably the stupid question of the day, but, what if?
lol
sam
ps: dr stifflers cirquit, seems to have a few questions left unanswered, also, i wonder what a rodin coil on ferrite would do for that cirquit? times 10, if you have to, that is to make the spool fit through the hole.. not trying to make you think i have done it or can, with my limited knowledge and abilities.
Dumb iron worker? You sell yourself short my friend. Remember,
Mediocracy is self inflicted and Genious is self bestowed.
Walter Russel
@armegedon,
don't forget what iron is!!!!
lol
sam
ps:i just can't wait to see it wraped, right.
first of ask your self what is the rodin coil
then ask was it designed to pull power from?
i dont think so i think it is a transmitter and a reciever both ways and requires 2 coils the exact same to operate properly also may need a source of engery with in the ring ;)
but im just guessing
ist
Quote from: supersam on November 23, 2007, 10:44:34 PM
i'm just a stupid ironworker as i have said many times. probably the best question for me wold be, how big are your spools of wire?
...times 10, if you have to, that is to make the spool fit through the hole.. not trying to make you think i have done it or can, with my limited knowledge and abilities.
That gray squishy thing between my ears is making my fingers push buttons with letters on them for no raisin. :D
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A 1/2-lb spool of 24-AWG Philmore mag-wire measures 2,3/16" O.D. x 2,5/16" Long. Smaller spools can be found, I suppose, or one could transfer some wire to a smaller spool before winding.
The 10" foam ring that I wrapped,... you can see how it fits for yourself in a picture that I posted on page 3 of the topic. (I could jam the spool in sideways but it makes contact with the previously wrapped wire. Dropping the spool through the center axially is less disturbing to the assembled wire work... I guess this makes me a 'wireworker.')
Do you have a ten inch iron ring?
You Mean it would need 3 josephson interferometer's on 3 axis that would differentiate at each junction then anaylize the changes at each junction vs the non curl state..... and demodulate those three into well hmmmm..
Joe
@all
Marko Rodin has just made contact with me in reply to my opening post email, as he is as you can imagine very busy, he is willing to share information with us and has requested me to act as an intermediary between him and the Forum. I will be taking him up on his kind offer and will of course keep you updated on the progress in due course.
Acerzw ;)
@all
I am in receipt of much information from Marko Rodin, I will begin indexing, organising and tidying it up and will then start a series of posts giving his information in an easily digestible format...
I would just like to say a big thank you to Marko for making this information available... and to all who have put in effort on this thread...
Acerzw
Rodin Update 1 - Background Information (last updated 27 Nov 2007)
This post is some introductory background information which is already in the public domain regarding Marko and his work:
Marko's YouTube Video's download link:
http://www.markorodin.com/markorodinvideo43/
Rense Radio Interview - part 1 & 2:
http://rodinproject.com/images/stories/audio/rense-rodinmath-hr1-041206JR060412.mp3
http://rodinproject.com/images/stories/audio/rense-rodinmath-hr2-041206JR060412.mp3
Second Radio Interview
http://rodinproject.com/images/stories/audio/radiorbit-rodinmath-050806.mp3
Acerzw
Thank you for posting this information - I have spent all my free time over the last number of days listening to audios and watching Rodin on utube over and over.
You may be surprised at what you can pick up and absorb into your thought process by using this method.
Regards...
@all
Marko is somewhat slow in communications, being so busy, I do have information to release, which I have tidied up, but am seeking approval from Marko that it is correct before posting, so I think this is going to be drip by drip rather than a blitz.
Acerzw
acer,
thanks for the effort. i really am intrigued by all i hear and see. i guess patience is not my strong suit. i want it all right now so i can sort through at my own speed. have you ever known anyone like that. oh well i have been looking aand studying everything i can find about rodin since i first came across his concepts several years ago. i guess a little longer is better than never.
lol
sam
ps: hurry!
@ acerzw,
what have you got , man? i mean a week is a week. if you have something marko gave you post it. if ther is a problem with it from a personal religious standpoint or something, that you want him to back off of i would say forget it. he believes what he believes, and i havn't seen anything that he believes that could hurt anybody. so what is the dealeo?
if you think that all that is going on around you is happening without a higher power then i can see why you would be hesitant to post something that might have a "smacking" of GOD in it, but to be honest with you i can't see how it just happened!! the big bang theory? right!!! all this, ---------, got togeather, and because it had so much ------- it , like imploded, and then booom!!!! right.
just show us what you have man.
lol
sam
Quote from: acerzw on November 30, 2007, 05:31:35 PM
@all
Marko is somewhat slow in communications, being so busy, I do have information to release, which I have tidied up, but am seeking approval from Marko that it is correct before posting, so I think this is going to be drip by drip rather than a blitz.
Acerzw
A quick update will be appreciated. :)
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so sad aint it
just never enough people intrested ......
ist
@all
The update is there is no update, I have given Marko the opportunity to use this forum and my services, however if he doesn't make the most of it those seats will remain empty and his work will be forgotten... A waste.... It seems a common theme that he gets opportunities but does not follow through... IMHO
If I get approval to post what I have I will post it thought, it is info I reformatted and tidied that he sent me, it is not much, there is supposed to be more to follow... but I am not holding my breath... :(
I am as frustrated as you are... I have communicated this to him in an email, I have told him that if things continue this way then I will sign off this project and request for this thread to be locked... the ball is in his court...
A
Hello fellow OU.com visitors. I used to be quite active on this forum as I learned more and more about magnetism and magnet motors. I drifted away slightly while studying Steorn's work and with a busy life schedule, I haven't had too much time to post any new ideas or experiments. The reason I am posting here briefly is to back up Acer a little bit.
Although ultimatums and demands never seem to work well for me with any person, Marko is a particularly busy person. He is human like all of us as well as putting together a very sound GUT theory which can very easily take away from normally simple tasks. I am not an electrical engineer nor to I work on TPU type units so my best guess is that Rodin's coil is a sort of generator that's incorporating a 720 degree electron flip phenomenon. My interest is in magnetic interactions and I have been working with Rodin's work for at least 6 months, not only to understand the coil, but to understand the entire significance of his findings. (Document what you do along the way. It's worth it.)
How does it relate? How does it apply to normal mathematics? How does it apply to engineering? How does it apply to nature? (Why is there a 24 digit mirored/repeating pattern in the Fibonnacci sequence?) There is plenty of material available on youtube.dom/markorodin for months of personal study, without even speaking to Marko in person. There's at least 3 hours of video there. Questions will often only lead to even more questions. We need to develop answers before we develop more questions. Who here is able to use Marko's unique approach to mathematics to understand what that coil will do under what circumstances? I hear it makes a good antenna as well as a good transmitter? I'd like to know what two of them under high dc power / opposite polarities would do together.
And don't forget it's Christmas in the US. Everybody is busy. I haven't answered my phone in at least 5 days since I'm on "vacation". You guys should show a little more respect to each other as well as the rest of the scientific community when "demanding" information on topics that "technically" shouldn't even be possible, right around the holidays. wtf? That's when someone might as well laugh at your "request" because "you're mad it's not at your convenience". Learn how to treat people. Process what they have to offer before you try and squeeze the answers to the universe out of them. And feel free to do a little thinking or work on your own.
Konduct
Quote from: konduct on December 26, 2007, 10:32:41 AM
Hello fellow OU.com visitors. I used to be quite active on this forum as I learned more and more about magnetism and magnet motors. I drifted away slightly while studying Steorn's work and with a busy life schedule, I haven't had too much time to post any new ideas or experiments. The reason I am posting here briefly is to back up Acer a little bit.
Although ultimatums and demands never seem to work well for me with any person, Marko is a particularly busy person. He is human like all of us as well as putting together a very sound GUT theory which can very easily take away from normally simple tasks. I am not an electrical engineer nor to I work on TPU type units so my best guess is that Rodin's coil is a sort of generator that's incorporating a 720 degree electron flip phenomenon. My interest is in magnetic interactions and I have been working with Rodin's work for at least 6 months, not only to understand the coil, but to understand the entire significance of his findings. (Document what you do along the way. It's worth it.)
How does it relate? How does it apply to normal mathematics? How does it apply to engineering? How does it apply to nature? (Why is there a 24 digit mirored/repeating pattern in the Fibonnacci sequence?) There is plenty of material available on youtube.dom/markorodin for months of personal study, without even speaking to Marko in person. There's at least 3 hours of video there. Questions will often only lead to even more questions. We need to develop answers before we develop more questions. Who here is able to use Marko's unique approach to mathematics to understand what that coil will do under what circumstances? I hear it makes a good antenna as well as a good transmitter? I'd like to know what two of them under high dc power / opposite polarities would do together.
And don't forget it's Christmas in the US. Everybody is busy. I haven't answered my phone in at least 5 days since I'm on "vacation". You guys should show a little more respect to each other as well as the rest of the scientific community when "demanding" information on topics that "technically" shouldn't even be possible, right around the holidays. wtf? That's when someone might as well laugh at your "request" because "you're mad it's not at your convenience". Learn how to treat people. Process what they have to offer before you try and squeeze the answers to the universe out of them. And feel free to do a little thinking or work on your own.
Konduct
Monkeys throw their poo when they get excited. Are we any different?
Sure, but we use words instead of poo. You saw some excrement flying around and decided to join in the fun by throwing your words of distaste around as well. Can't we all just get along? ;)
I have much more poo in my hand... On second thought, I will drop, flush, and wash.
Thank you for attempting to bring some civility to this band of cheeky monkeys. :D
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While everyone is eager (or desperate) for updates from acerzw, perhaps you can dedicate three hours of your time and watch the following video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5643559434275921302
This is Callum Coats' expose "Sacred Living Geometry - Enlightened Environmental Theories of Viktor Schauberger" and it will nicely tie up to the "Rodin" theory.
Now before someone jumps and says that forestry and water flows have nothing to do with coils, put your arguments aside and watch the video because you will learn some very interesting things about the nature, the water and the trees that I bet you did not know.
And, you will be treated with a prize because in the last hour of the video, the mathematics behind Viktor Schauberger's discoveries, done by his son Walter Schauberger, describes the non-Euclidean, hyperbolic mathematics of the nature - basically a preceding work to Rodin's theories, because they both discuss natural vortex motions and fluid dynamics.
As it would happen I watched the Rodin videos and Callum Coats one in a sequence, over the course of two days. Though I would say it was not a coincidence but I blessing because the information just clicked in. But don't take my word for it, if you can, just watch the video and then decide. ;)
@Rosphere, all,
Hello guys it's time to do something!! , thanks to Rosphere I do have now his wonderful crafted Rodin Coil and I'm ready to put it in use.
I'd like to firstly discuss with all of you that are interested and eventually hear yours ideas ...so come on...let us make it work!
Of course I do have some ideas about how-to-put-it-in-work but just to not bias you in advance I'm at your disposition to discuss the many possible implementations that obviously should be pointed to obtain OU.
All the best to all
Roberto
So basically How i felt before .. and my excitement now.
Well guys, don't get too despondent...
Marko is still in contact... yes he is busy and I can say there is a reason for his distraction from providing information to us... and it is not all his fault... no need for me to go into details as they are not really important in the scheme of things, nor right for me to discuss here... but I have had encouraging indications which I know are sincere... however fast it probably will not be...
...but judging from the last post few posts, we can deal with that for the moment, at least. Apologies for the lack of updates... but I only update when I have something useful to say...
@ronotto
I might have know, well Rosphere's lovingly wound coil found a good home... well well... it is good that you want to open it up for suggestions, thank you... very much in the spirit of this threads intention.
@amigo
I will watch that video... I think Walter Russell's later works like Atomic Suicide are also very relevant, several peoples work point in this same direction... Worth checking out David Willcock's 'Divine Cosmos' site which has some great free E-books on Sacred Geometry and other cool stuff and also this site which is not so well know but has a another great free E-Book on the subject: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/
@Localjoe
That monkey has better teeth than me! Very envious :o
@all
Can't wait to see your suggestions for that coil... :)
And as much as I don't wish to distract you from this thread, a plug for GK's thread, if you don't read it currently, you should (every day, as long as you have breath in your body ;D), and particularly this post by Erfinder... which probably ranks as one of the best posts on the whole site IMHO:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg67864.html#msg67864
Best Wishes to All
A
P.S The monkey pictures and Poo references are great (really very funny, and Poo throwing is great fun, much under-rated! If people threw more Poo at conventional scientists, at least, the world would be a better place, but a bit more disease ridden I suspect), but now we have a new direction...
@ all
If you understand how a modem works... this should make you run around your room in excitement.. after reading these patents .. maybe folks will get my joke about comm badges and www.microrodin.com. Merely a joke but serious in application :)
4,429,280 : 31 Jan 84, Appatus and Method for Demodulation of Modulated Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential.
4,429,288 : 31 Jan 1984, Apparatus and Method for modulation of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field.
4,432,098 : 14 Feb 1984, Apparatus and Method for transfer of Information by means of a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field.
4,447,779 : 8 May 1984, Apparatus and Method for Determination of a Receiving device utilizing a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field.
4,605,897, 12 Aug 1986, Apparatus and method for distance determination between receiving device and transmitting device utilizing a Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential Field.
4,491,795, 1 Jan 1985, Josephson Junction Interferometer Device for detection of Curl-Free Magnetic Vector Potential field.
@ LOCALJOE,
WHOOP, THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS ER WHEN YOU NEED HIM?
lol
sam
@Localjoe,
Could you please elaborate on this connection to the provided patents above, I sort of fail to see it because they refer to a Josephson Junction among other things, which requires two superconducting leads...and for the life of me I couldn't find the superconducting environment in my households last time I looked in my cupboards. :D
You just have to look hard.. what can i tell ya ;D potential is there tho
@amigo
I suspect Localjoe is referring to the possibility of using the rodin coil as a transmitter and receiver for superluminal scalar wave communications. I suspect that it could be used in such a way and it would probably be more efficient than a device based on a normal coil.
Some go as far to say it can be used for teleportation and that it has been done! I will believe that when I see it, I currently have not been able to find a theoretical mechanism which supports the idea to a decent degree. While I do believe in multiple dimensions and know of a number of ideas that support that, none of then fit the bill.
A
@acer
agreed , At least IS didnt try to tell you it was for time travel... i told him to msg me last year :o... Any the patents are from naudins page and he gives a short descripiton on how the transmitter shootes through foil and other metals that normal rf does not. so its worthy of some investigation. Teleportation ... was a stretch as well but energy is energy as light is energy as electricity is energy which says we just need to find different ways to transmit energy of different phases of it along the spectrum.
It would be interesting to test that idea of superluminal scalar communication using the Rodin coil but question is how close they need to be (not distance wise but look-a-like) or is that a factor at all?
Winding one of these coils would be an exercise in patience to begin with, and making two, boy... :)
Also, do we really need the Rodin coil for superluminal communication test via scalar band at all, we could probably just use something less complicated (as if) based on Tesla's works?
Hi, A big hello to everyone!
Interesting work!
I'm interested in the free-energy aspect of the Rodin coil as opposed to the communication side.
I've spent some time viewing, reading, and trying to comprehend Rodin's work. He mentions specifically that with the coil, temporal (time) and spacial(wire placement) considerations are paramount. Frequency, and size of toroid, affect the relationship between the two. The following summarises my notes and my build plans with reasons for choosing the parameters.
a. We know there are two wires wrapped around the coil; lets call these wire A and wire B.
b. He says wires are pulsed as a triplet. e.g. Pulse wire A for duration X, wire B is off. Immediately followed by Pulse wire B for duration X, wire A is off. Immediately followed by both A and B being off for duration X. In other words the repetition time is 3X.
c. When both are off this is the time that you get free flowing energy in the SPACE next to wires. He specifically states that in the space 'S' there is no restriction, no friction, to the flow of energy.
e.g. If S represent the space then on the toroid the wires go ABSABSABSABSABS.
d. My take is that if a third wire is wrapped in the space 'S' this is where energy in the form of overunity electricity will appear ?
So far so good. So rather than wrap bifilar, wrap trifilar fashion. But what degree spacing should be used when weaving around the coil ?
Rodin does not say in the videos what degree to use between each successive turn on the toroid but on one of his webpages, a botanist? has observed that Rodin's number patterns work with plant growth. He has measured the angle to be 137.5 degrees. So I'm going to use this degree measurement.
The 137.5 I believe is also based on phi. 360/137.5 is 2.6181818 recurring.
My approach is going to be to keep marking 137.5 degrees one after the other going around the toroid marking the toroid 1,2,3,4 etc.
There must be a way of getting a CAD program to do this on a paper template ?
It'll take 144 trifilar windings, 137.5 degrees apart, to get back exactly where I started on the toroid. This equates to 55 times around the toroid.
The math is 144 * 137.5 = 19800 degrees
19800 / 360 = 55.
I think precision placement of the windings is essential which means I'm going to start fairly large.
In order to fit on 144 turns, I'm going to start with a toroid with inside diameter (diameter of the hole) of 11.46 inches diameter which has circumference of 36 inches.
In other words an average of 4 turns per inch (144/36) once the toroid has been completed. I'm thinking 1inch for the diameter of the toroid tube, if that makes sense.
Connecting the wires.
We got 3 pairs of wires each pair being the start and end of one of the trifilar wires.
I thinking enamelled wire at the moment.
One pair is connected across a 110V household bulb. I think it's probably important to have a load rather than just measuring volts on an open circuit so that a current is manifested should a voltage be generated across the output pair. A flow of current is obviously required to generate a magnetic field which can further react with the repetitive pulse on wire pair A and wire pair B.
Rodin tells us in the video that the current must run in 1 direciton in say wire pair A and must run in the opposite direction in wire pair B. So this tells us how to connect the wires to a pulsing circuit. The pulsing circuit has to do A followed by B followed by both OFF and repeated.
The frequency is anyones guess. Some multiple of 144 ? Or perhaps a multiple of the schumann resonance ?
Other thoughts I had was that the wire pair A is driven open ended, as is wire pair B. In other words just applying a voltage onto the wire would be sufficient for an effect. But who knows ?
The only other thing left is to determine a working voltage. I'm thinking 12V to 24V as my electronics skills on pulsing can deal with this. My intuition says with a precisely laid out coil, along with precise,stable and fine frequency adjustment, low voltage will be fine. With rougher placed windings and unstable frequency I think a much higher voltage will be required.
My only problem is how to create a toroid, at the size I want, for the windings ?
Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this or a company that can provide toroid cores ?
Well looks like Marko is about to make a new series of google videos, thought it is unclear how long they will take to appear, the original ones are 15 years old and he has developed his work a lot since then. It is all in an interview at the excellent Red Ice Creations Website, here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/01jan/RICR-080120-mrodin.mp3
There is also a good interview with David Willcock of the Divine Cosmos, here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/12dec/RICR-071206-dwilcock.mp3
I have been looking at Marko's work again and knocked up a pdf which basically combines his number patterns/geometry from his web page as a reference for myself. There is a bit of artistic license as it is my interpretation.
I am attempting to work out how this ties in with Standing Columnar Waves which I have posted on GK's Heterodyning thread about before, as they are common in nature and are generated by Pyramid's etc...
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OL
hello all nice to see some new faces
i have had little time to play lately as i am getting my life in order but after i accomplish that this coil is still on my list of things to do
yes i would expect this coil to have many uses .......
i think 19.45 deg fits this coil and may just be important
some would say 19.5 deg i tend to think our measurement system has been alerted to lead AWAY FROM THE TRUTH as many things have been in the past to keep us dumb as we approach a critical astrological event which takes place every 25000 + years and it seams to be kind of odd that the planets align at 19.5 deg in in the near future .............
and it makes me wonder ........
ist
Quote from: innovation_station on February 15, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
i tend to think our measurement system has been alerted to lead AWAY FROM THE TRUTH as many things have been in the past to keep us dumb as we approach a critical astrological event which takes place every 25000 + years and it seams to be kind of odd that the planets align at 19.5 deg in in the near future .............
@IS
Spot on with that comment, it is clear that in many scientific reference books incompatible units are used in order to obscure anomalous energy produced by chemical reactions, this is particularly true of hydrogen and other gases which produce even more energy when they are molecularly disassociated. There is indeed a great book (if you can forgive its rants) 'Occult Ether Physics' by William Lyne which gives a great example of this, I would recommend you read it if you are interested in energy production from chemical fuel systems... it knocks E=MC2 for six since nothing is destroyed in the reaction and the molecules can be recombined after the excess heat is released and reused in a closed system, which a basic design is given for in the book... fantastic... and a clear indication that ether/quantum vacuum energy is involved and tapped by chemical (and by extension) biological actions (something that Tom Bearden/John Bediini have stated for ages).
In regard to the solar alignment I would recommend as well as David Willcocks Divine Cosmos website, the free massive ebook on the Galactic Cross from the Souls of Distortion Website: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/
Also if you are heavily into 2012 there is a great MP3 on Divine Cosmos going into more detail about the good things that might happen. I have also posted a summary of what David Burisch (Illuminati/MJ12 associate) said on the project Camelot sight videos (all 5 hours) about 2012, which is very very heavy but interesting: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg76987.html#msg76987
I am now looking for links in the about diagram of Marcos Numerology which I posted with other numerical knowledge from the old world as well as newer sources, however I am very busy in my life at the moment and would encourage others to look and post any finding in this thread.
Marco is under immense pressure and has little resource available to him hence his radio appeal for help. He really wants to get his information out there, however it is complex and it needs to be presented in a proper manner hence his insistence that he requires professionals to do it. I do hope Marco manages to make his new videos and post them on Google, his health has not been good and his family not too well. I was surprised to learn Marco is not charging the attendees for the course which his is giving and which will be covered by the videos. It just goes to show how committed he is about to completing his work. I hope he does, I think he is ahead of his time and that if his work is lost it will be similar to what happened to Tesla's work, another 100 year delay... so I wish him well and if anyone can help him or knows someone who can then please do so... He needs a web designer most of all but they would need to work with him in Hawaii... and for free (though I believe he may be able to provide accommodation, he says on his web radio interview).
A
I have some knowledge in the area of health care research and have some information which may be beneficial to Marco and his family - have him contact me...we all know how difficult it is to function optimally when in ill health.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on February 15, 2008, 04:18:38 PM
I have some knowledge in the area of health care research and have some information which may be beneficial to Marco and his family - have him contact me...we all know how difficult it is to function optimally when in ill health.
Regards...
What kind of knowledge (gadgets, substances, alternative theories...)?
I've been investigating ways of alternative health means for some time now so your post naturally sparks my curiousity.
Please PM me instead of posting here so we don't pollute this thread... :)
@Cap-Z-Ro & amigo
You are welcome to 'pollute' this thread as such info will benefit all. Cap, I am not in frequent contact with Marco, he is very busy and difficult to contact sometimes, we communicate by email on occasion. Marco has published all his contact details on his site and google video account if you wish to contact him.
A
Hey Acerzw,
I have a quick question for you. In the audio interview you posted with Marko he mentioned that he could create a generator with no moving parts. In any of the correspondence that you have had with him did he ever go into details on how he would do this? Thanks
VegasScorpion
Hey ace.
Here is an edited copy of the info referred to above...I will send it to Marco also.
This info I referred to is useful to anyone suffering from bodily breakdown and disease.
The web address is edkuniversity.com, and contains information relating to a simple but highly effective health-care device which should be made available to everyone.
If you have trouble gaining access, google 'Lee Crock' or 'universal energy'.
I have seen this device do some amazing things on myself, family, and friends.
I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of an obviously honest older gentleman in Ohio who invented this device - which according to him will reverse the effects of strokes, ALS, cancer, and arthritis, as well as many trauma related conditions, if used as prescribed.
Although he does sell these devices for profit - he treats people for free in his little Ohio clinic - putting you up for free also, as long as your treatment takes.
The device is basically a series of flashlight batteries connected to the body one pole at a time. Directions on how to make a similar one can be found by googling 'bob's box of batteries'.
This endorsement comes from a health care professional in New Brunswick Canada, with no connection whatsoever to the guy.
Check out Lee Crock's web site for yourself - click on the 'audio files' tab and listen to some radio interviews and call in testimonials.
Please do not share this information with any lawyers or politicians - they hang around long enough as it is.
I have great confidence this info will help you and your family.
Also...check out Joe Hart's site @ coljoe.com
Regards...
@vscorpion
No, Marko has not shared the details with me, I am hoping that he will go into more detail in his new videos. I suspect that it would involve a perfected version of his coil... his videos go into little detail about his coils construction... and no-one has built his coil as he envisages it... I do know for instance that you could not use normal wire for a perfect version of his coil... I believe it would need to be specially extruded because its diameter needs to gradually increase and decrease at different points on the coil... I imagine that a full spec for his coil would be very specific and probably a perfect coil would be quite a feat of engineering... I suspect it will take humanity a long time to catch-up to him unless he is able to make the new videos... fingers crossed. :)
@Cap
Thanks for the info sounds very interesting I will take a look , thanks...
A
@Cap
I am going to build one of those devices and try it out... Thanks again,,, There is a simpler version of his device (compared to his patent) here: with on Keelynet here: http://www.satori-5.co.uk/word_articles/misc/lee-crock.html
However Lees Original Patent is fantastic and gives tons of good information some of which may be useful in free energy research so I have attached a copy to this post. Everyone should build one, from the info in the link above.
I am going to post this Info on Giantkiller's Heterodyning thread as that is my other home on this forum and I know many there will be interested too. ;)
A
EDIT: The post on GK's thread is here, its a great thread, well worth a visit: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg77608.html#msg77608
@ Ace,
The old guy certainly has something going on with his device - it powers a polarity relay yet never drains the batteries...not only that, their voltage has increased from the time I inserted them ??
Perhaps there may be a way to tap into our discharged dc electricity like his machine seems to be doing.
Regards...
@ acerzw
i will take your advice as always
and for everyone else i will offer this..... theses words came directly form my grand father for those of you who don't know who he is he was the original founder of organics in Canada he is currently 83 years old his name is Alvin Filsinger and he was just recognized this passed weekend at the u of t and was given an award but the important info i was given directly from him was this
he said he has never felt better in his entire life as he does now and the reason for that is this ..... and i hope this makes its way to Marco Rodin for his health problems
every morn he drinks ocean water in a glass of water this ocean water is sun condensed 1000 to 1 and most of the salt removed what is left in the concentrated water is 92 trace minerals that the body requires for a healthy blood stream so.... take it from the man who has lived it
now there is more to this but i offer this info as i got it also in his glass of water he adds 1 part hydrogen peroxide to 34 parts water and the hydrogen peroxide kills disease from with in and it also oxygenates the body
just some organic food for thought
i will proudly say this i know why i have excelled at this research and invent game and the real reason is i was raised on my grand fathers organic food i would like to think he has sowen the seeds of god with his food as i am damn good proof his food did not make me dumb
lol
enjoy the truth
isteam!!
@ In_sta
I've seen your grandfathers name mentioned before, but can't remember the reference.
I too am lucky to have had an outside the box grandfather...he tried treating his arthritis by holding on to the charged fencing on the farm.
I'm really interested in the ocean water treatment...what method is used on the water to get it "sun condensed 1000 to 1 and most of the salt removed" ?
I read of this old guy who cured his prostate cancer by using a nasal sprayer to apply h2o2 to the back of his throat.
He later started drinking it in diluted form...using it as a cleansing agent...as a disinfectant...and in his garden - he claimed only the insects that beneficial to the plants would venture into the garden. He also doused the earth with a diluted solution before dropping the seed, and reported accelerated and healthy growth.
Speaking of organic crops...you pretty much have to confine your plants to a greenhouse nowadays, in order to avoid cross pollination with Monsanto's GM crops.
Regards...
test,Just wanted a link back to this thread.
To treat arthritis I had great success with Lakhovsky coils.www.copperhealth.com tells you how to make them at low cost.I used the closest copper wire I could find and still had good results.I wore a coil around my waist and one around my ankle for about 5 weeks.Triffid
Hi all, intresting topic :) Any updates respective Rodin coil?
I just finished 4 hours of the Rodin lecture - huh hard thing.... :P
Jinis
Hi everyone,
I just completed my Rodin Coil using a plastic ring off a baby toy set (fisher price/mattel) and copper wire that was salvaged from a TV.
I have put a video on youtube showing a few basic things along with it acting like a strong solenoid.
I will put more up as I go.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJ45P0iybE
It takes a little patience to make sure all the windings are done correctly and tightly but is an amazing shape to look at and should be researched more, I would encourage more people to build one as needless to say, it creates some very interesting effects. I did several experiments using DC and have done a few with AC.
It can get quite warm very quickly with DC ( I was putting in 2.04 Amps) but interestingly enough, it will run much more coolly and handle a more current if you use AC (was putting in 3 amps).
I will put more videos up as I go, for now though I can say that it definitely creates a rotating magnetic field or magnetic vortex. If you place a very smal magnet in the centre, it will go round and round and will try to exit the coil, even if it is flying out its trajectory will conform to the direction of the strands.
You should very easily be able to make a motor by simply placing an axis with magnets in the centre, I will do this when I have time to prove it.
As you can see from a diagram of this coil, it is actually made up of two coils on one torus, if you connect only one coil (to DC), a magnet placed inside will just stick to one of the bands of that coil. It will not rotate.
If you connect one coil and give the other coil a quick jolt, a small magnet will rotate (it can stop rotating if it moves to a wrong spot). This rotating field may occur due to the temporary AC spike from when the coil is switched on.
If you connect both coils to DC, the small magnet will rotate continuously.
There must be something happening here with the initial AC spike continuing somehow through the coil.
You can see in the video that when I use a large magnet the coil acts like a strong solenoid if only one coil is connected, however when both are live they function differently and interact and make a rotating magnetic field.
If you connect AC to only one coil you will still get a rotating field and there is no difference if you connect the second coil.
I am going to do more experiments with DC, but from my observations this coil seems to favour AC.
Another interesting observation about the rodin coil when you run DC through it is that it does not behave like a normal solenoid though if you have one coil hooked up it does behave like a normal solenoid and repulses or attracts a magnet (it was several large magnet in this case, the ones in the video). However if you connect both coils the magnet will always want to be in the centre of the coil (even if you flip the poles around) and will vibrate or shake, obviously rotating slowly.
This coil exerts a lot of force and concentrates its magnetic vortex at the centre, I would love to see what it does if given a large discharge from a cap (sadly I don't have many caps so can't test this).
I am going to make more coils and will see what happens if the are stacked (amplified effects maybe?), I need more copper wire and will have to find some more dead TV's to scrounge it from as it costs a lot here.
I am also going to run some experiments, placing Mercury inside the torus (will also do this with a normal toroidal coil) if I can get hold of some.
I live in western Canada and I can not find a way to get mercury ANYWHERE, it is impossible to get hold of :'(. I haven't been able to get Bismuth here either, I tried Ebay but couldn't get it shipped here and the non-lead fishing weights available here do not contain Bismuth.
I have a gram or two of mercury from a thermostat switch but need much more, if you happen to have a cheap source of mercury or are able to get me discarded switches containing Mercury I would very much appreciate hearing from you :)
I haven't watched the lectures yet but will soon, I forgot to mention that each of the two coils on my Rodin coil contains 18 winds. I did 18 because I remembered something about Rodin's numerical model working around number 9 and multiples of 9 ans and I also needed that many winds to fill the gaps as best as possible.
I might build a coil using 15 degree spacing instead of 10 degree spacing, this could allow for a coil with no gaps.
Link to this thread
new rodin clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYU2m5cGaI
Thanks for posting the link and providing a heads up on this Spider. Good to see new info coming out from Rodin and his group.
Something I have been meaning to post for a while on here.
My version of a simple template for the Fisher Price Rock-a-stack rings.
In Short:
1.) Print out the template (8.5 X 11 - sorry A4 guys - I am sure it could be scaled with little effort)
2.) Cut out the template for the desired ring color
3.) Cut appart all three pieces of the template
4.) Start with strip #1. Align the centerline of the template with the seem in the plastic on the circumference of the ring
5.) Secure template in place with tape strips
6.) Align the verticle lines of strip #2 with the last one of strip #1
7.) Tape in place, and repeat step 6 with strip #3
8.) Insert pins into holes printed on template
Basic and simple, but works well for me. Hopefully no scaling goes on with your printers. It is very helpful to ensure tha the width of each strip gets progressivly narrower. It helps to aling the strips properly - as can be seen in the pictures
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/3535676871_23db5cbb2b_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2242/3535676871_23db5cbb2b_o.jpg)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3535618499_c1ac3c0bcd_o.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3378/3535618499_c1ac3c0bcd_o.jpg)
Attached as a PDf to try to eliminate any scaling issues
EDIT: seems you can no longer atach images, or I am doing something very wrong - so anyway, the images are just links now.
@magpie,
Saw a video of Rodin claiming the coil would magnetize a drill bit into a monopole magnet. Can you give it a try and let us know your results.
Quote from: spoondini on September 24, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
@magpie,
Saw a video of Rodin claiming the coil would magnetize a drill bit into a monopole magnet. Can you give it a try and let us know your results.
Please link that video? I only saw vids where the observed phenomenon was demonstrated, and to some degree thereotisized. Rodin makes huge claims that dwarf the monopole thing, and I don't believe he claimed the latter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnjW1zROJPc
Remember, this is not happening, it does not exist...
Quote from: HeairBear on September 25, 2009, 03:24:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnjW1zROJPc
Remember, this is not happening, it does not exist...
Oh, I remember that one, I saw it. Sure the experiment seems to show this effect, while I've read that others DO get a South, albeit weaker. I can totally imagine this strong north and weak south being the result of a magnetic imbalance or to some extent wormhole action. Just didn't take his preliminary experimental results as "claims", compared to words as "the methematical fingerprint of god" (doubling circuit), "mathemetical perfection", "math of everything", "reactionless drive", etc. I saw the monopole as one of the off things he found and didn't really offer a good explanation for. Perhaps I should list it as a claim :-)
I would like to see if someone can verify creating a monopole with the coil.
If this is really possible, it would seem that a magnetic overunity motor should be 'relatively' easy to build. With monopoles and dipoles being using together we should be able to create a unidirectional force with continuous acceleration.
However I question whether this coil can really create a monopole - youtube videos surrounding free energy are notoriously faked. Have no reason to believe Rodin's are any different - especially considering his websites have come down. The most recent pitch I've seen is that he's soliciting money to build a spaceship and an alternator to power a city. If you're interested in donating to his cause I have 12 miles of ocean front property in Nepal I can sell you for $100.
Quote from: spoondini on September 25, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
I would like to see if someone can verify creating a monopole with the coil.
If this is really possible, it would seem that a magnetic overunity motor should be 'relatively' easy to build. With monopoles and dipoles being using together we should be able to create a unidirectional force with continuous acceleration.
However I question whether this coil can really create a monopole - youtube videos surrounding free energy are notoriously faked. Have no reason to believe Rodin's are any different - especially considering his websites have come down. The most recent pitch I've seen is that he's soliciting money to build a spaceship and an alternator to power a city. If you're interested in donating to his cause I have 12 miles of ocean front property in Nepal I can sell you for $100.
Rodin has stated in his latest set of videos that he is not sure if it really creating a monopole, due to the fact the pole detector could produce false readings, and realizing it's a cheap $40 tool. I don't think Rodin needs to fake anything. Monopole or not, if his coil is built properly, with the proper driving circuit, you won't need motors anymore, but I fear he will never get the proper funding he needs to move this forward.
Btw his website is not down.
http://rodin.freelancepartnership.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Apologize for the misleading statement regarding his website.
Thank you for the link.
I do find the concepts fascinating but question the claims with healthy sceptism.
Quote from: spoondini on September 25, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
I would like to see if someone can verify creating a monopole with the coil.
If this is really possible, it would seem that a magnetic overunity motor should be 'relatively' easy to build. With monopoles and dipoles being using together we should be able to create a unidirectional force with continuous acceleration.
However I question whether this coil can really create a monopole - youtube videos surrounding free energy are notoriously faked. Have no reason to believe Rodin's are any different - especially considering his websites have come down. The most recent pitch I've seen is that he's soliciting money to build a spaceship and an alternator to power a city. If you're interested in donating to his cause I have 12 miles of ocean front property in Nepal I can sell you for $100.
While I agree that most is faked, I have no reasons to suspect faking with the rodin coils. Expectations are great, but claims of accomplishments are modest, or easily replicated as far as I can tell.
I initially also though that a monopole would totally make every failed PM motor a sure runner. Until I started to imagine how the flux lines would actually run, and I was pretty much back to square one. I couldn't imagine a monopole to be a one-dimensional flux cannon. I do wish it were, of course.
You are probably smarter, so I look forward to your proposed monopole engine. How is a monopople different anyway, from a rod with the poles veeeeery far apart? Know that I'm a rookie at this, so be gentle please.
Even if the Rodin Coil can do no better than an offset/asymmetry pole on a rod, perhaps that CAN help create some OU.
Science from the armchair... Why not confirm your thoughts with a coil of your own? Commenting from the sidelines is not the same as playing the game. So many seem to have the answers without even doing anything other than watching youtube videos. Why does asking for funding make a person or persons a quack? Asking for one of us to confirm your ponderings is no less than asking for funding.
Not sure asking someone to confirm a claim is the same as asking for funding to build a spaceship? Apologize for my misunderstanding of the purpose of the message forum (exchanging information both via experiment, ideas, and research).
As for how a monpole would make possible a unidirectional flow, the more I think about it I'm not sure how different it would be from having dipoles very far apart. Since I have no monopolar magnets to experiment with I can only conduct the experiment in my mind.
The most simple construct to test would be a monopolar manget (north) on the perimeter of a wheel surrounded by dipolar magnets with all north's facing in the same circular direction, clockwise. If rotating clockwise, the monopolar north magnet on the wheel would be attracted (accelerated) to the south pole of the next dipolar magnet while simultaneously repelled by the north pole of the previous dipolar magnet. Each magnet surrounding the wheel would utilize both poles to perform attraction and repulsion. It would seem that it should accelerate until magnetic forces = friction, or in a vaccuum indefinately.
Quote from: HeairBear on September 25, 2009, 11:59:23 AM
Science from the armchair... Why not confirm your thoughts with a coil of your own? Commenting from the sidelines is not the same as playing the game. So many seem to have the answers without even doing anything other than watching youtube videos.
I resemble such remarks, so fair enough. Truth can be said.
I have 2 left hands and don't know a + from a -. Not sure I even own a screwdriver right now, not even a magnet on my fridge door.
Most complicated electrics I've done is hook up a temporary lamp socket from the ceiling, with fear of getting zapped. I am however a co-patent holder for some advanced mechanical constructions with great advantages in a specific application, I help others around me make their great concept perfect. Some small revolutions in progressive thinking I am proud to have been a part of. A helper/promoter more than a doer. Problem is that I set high goals for myself (and get close sometimes), and can only reach them in my fields of birthed talent. Also, I did not enjoy education in any comparison with my IQ/EQ. Actually, I hated education, and books. And outdated knowledge bugs me. I also prefer to co-operate than to solo-operate. I'll wind you a Rodin coil of my simple vision, if you'll keep me awake as I'm struggling along, or hold the other end of the wire :-)
@spoondini:
Very nice way to theoretisize that monopole, I had not considered it as such. I'd pay if iy could help make it true! I'll take the non-vacume experiment to witness, as high CF will make a less inside a vacume chamber inside a lab. Wouldn't want to be there when the rotor fails at 6-digit rpm...
No apologies needed. Your points are well taken, but, thought experiments can only go so far, especially when basing them upon youtube videos and popular consensus. As some one said. "If your going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk". Talking the talk, although, may be task at hand once the walk has been mastered. Why the word "monopole" is being used to describe the properties of a Rodin Coil is beyond me. I would rather describe it as a vortex. What exactly are the properties of a monopole? Or is it that the coil creates monopoles seemingly in certain objects placed inside the coil? Maybe his math can explain more if we take a closer look.
Why is building a spaceship such a far fetched idea? I have witnessed several of many different sizes and shapes go into space and some actually making it back safely. Not all spaceships are designed as cargo carrying vehicles as we are so used to seeing from major space agencies today. Many ordinary people like us are doing it with better understood technology as hobbies using model rockets and such. Aren't those considered spaceships if they make it to orbit and beyond?
Why hasn't anybody considered experimenting with a Rodin Coil submerged in water? Water molecules are polar and should be affected by the coils EMF possibly creating a small whirlpool. What do you think?
A video of a Rodin Coil floating in water. I never really thought about the expected effects completely submerged - a future experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1L19YEkeU
The coil certainly appears to be creating a vortex like magnetic field. Really quite amazing and I'm tempted to build one. One of Marko's video's showed him using the coil to magnetize a carbon steel bit creating a monopole. I've really gotten into Marko's math, watched 20 of the 44 videos. It's starting to stretch the implications a bit, but I will continue watching with an open yet critical mind. Take from it what is useful and unique and integrate into the rest of my thoughts.
I agree that spaceship's have now been built for substantially less than the megabillions our governments spend to replace toilets, much less run a space agency - it's just from my perspective some small successes implemented well (like a rodin coil driven ceiling fan) should be a precursor to the grand goal of intergalactic space travel. Had he asked for money to perfect something more practical and believable, I would have probably sent him $100.
The Six Solfeggio Frequencies include:
UT â€" 396 Hz
RE â€" 417 Hz
MI â€" 528 Hz
FA â€" 639 Hz
SOL â€" 741 Hz
LA â€" 852 Hz
Quote from: HeairBear on September 26, 2009, 10:41:22 PM
The Six Solfeggio Frequencies include:
UT â€" 396 Hz
RE â€" 417 Hz
MI â€" 528 Hz
FA â€" 639 Hz
SOL â€" 741 Hz
LA â€" 852 Hz
...these were administered as part of the school wide hearing tests i took when in grade school. i smell a conspiracy.
Quote from: HeairBear on September 25, 2009, 10:10:20 PM
Why hasn't anybody considered experimenting with a Rodin Coil submerged in water? Water molecules are polar and should be affected by the coils EMF possibly creating a small whirlpool. What do you think?
Apart from the odd armchair experimenter, and the above linked vid, you mean? It was condisered, but perhaps people don't try their electrics first in water :-) To my disappointment, water seems to only be scooped up by the neo sphere due to friction, no thrusted water itself. A jetless jet, that would be something...
Would you be as disappointed if you had done the experiment yourself?
Latest Rodin coil put out today by Jamie buturff. Neo sphere stays suspended in air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sahi7zDf8Mw
Hello all, new to the forums. I'm getting ready to make a Rodin coil to do some testing and from what I've seen here there seem to be issues with the inner/outer diameter of the coil and the use of a fixed diameter wire when winding to coil. I believe that the geometry is crucial to get the correct effects so I figured I would use the Rodin geometry to determine the correct inner diameter of the toroid and use a copper strap/ribbon to make the coils. I whipped this up in sketchup, looking for input. The design is for a 20" diameter coil (scalable) based on a Rodin 36 winding, each strap/ribbon is 9 degrees wide and they start in 10 degree increments. See attached images.
Great graphics, thanks for sharing!
On this page: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4587-marko-rodin-9.html a fascinating alterative to the donut is proposed. Basically a skelleton of 3 ring of different diameters. The whole matches the Rodin enneagram to the dot. And, the visuals offer interesting associations...especially now that Jamie has show that even a collapsed Rodin coil works. So, the proposed tri-ring designs (just how I call it for myself) might be made quite flat. Like a small diner plat?
what is the least amount of voltage and amps needed to make a normal size rodin coil or starship coil do anything?
do they magnatize metal objects?
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Not to completely resurrect a topic from the dead, but I thought some here may be interested in the following articles:
• The Universe: A Play In Four Acts (https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/scispirit/VBM/universe.html)
Description: A condensed introduction to some fundamental patterns within Vortex-Based Mathematics
• It's Vortices! Vortices All The Way Down! (https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/scispirit/VBM/vortices.html)
Description: Developing the fundamental patterns with an eye for their application within science
• The Flux Thruster (https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/scispirit/VBM/fluxthruster.html)
Description: Exploring the "proof of concept" for creating technologies based on Vortex-Based Mathematics
• The Machine Becomes A Ghost (https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/scispirit/VBM/machineghost.html)
Description: Laying a foundation for "artificial intelligence" by mimicking Nature within the basics of computer hardware and software
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