PRESS RELEASE
OVERUNITY ELECTROLYSER - ON DEMAND FUEL FROM WATER
Please allow us to take the opportunity and inform you of the development of a new type electrolyser cell. As you can find on the web link www.hopecell.com it is a new concept of highest energy efficient fuel from water generation system, intended for multiple purposes. The Cell was developed having in mind future low emitting greenhouse gas technologies, as well as improvement of existing applications at low cost. The Cell is developed in basic utilisation of research and many potential applications needs further standardisation. After completing International PCT application which is in process, technology will be immediately available to the developing comunity and independent review. Intelectual property will be made available concurently to all interested parties as patenting rights or in other negotiated form. At the moment expressions of interest can be lodged by folowing contact details on web page www.hopecell.com
For hopecell
Robert Vancina
is this just theory or do you have working models, how bout some vids or something?
oops found the pictures,
This is nothing but spam looking for suckers, this is the second thread that has been started here on the same rubbish
Hans von Lieven
EDIT: see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3636.0/topicseen.html
Thanks Hans, Certainly looks to be mostly smoke, some else said it best, this place is all about opensource, not about hoarding away secrets till money can be made...
Have you all seen the videos ?
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/5/1048596/video1.wmv
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/5/1048596/video2.wmv
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/5/1048596/video3.wmv
Seems that they somehow produce from a plasma via cold
fusion process hydrogen and oxygen,
which is then burned.
Looks not too bad.
Question is, how much energy they need to keep
the fusion process going to produce this much HHO gas ...??
The pictures of the device certainly look of impressive quality and workmanship.
NssB
Robert,
why do you post such junk? I downloaded the 3 videos and after watching them, I promptly deleted this garbage from my hard disk.
In all due respect, any imbecile can electrolyze water. People have been doing it for more than a hundred years.
By not first publishing volts, amps, seconds, liters, you are in my opinion insulting the intelligence of the forum participants. You are screaming at the top of your lungs: "I am a scam, not a scientist".
Don't you realize that by making claims without publishing data (that any child can measure) you connect your name with scam ?
How about putting the horse before the cart and first making simple scientific measurements? It is time to clean up your act or shut up, instead of opening up new threads and spamming the forum with advertising for a product with no measured data.
I agree with Han's judgment: total rubbish.
If you don't have a voltmeter, an ammeter, a timer, and a calibrated light-weight plastic soda bottle, no one will consider you serious. You are making a public fool of yourself.
Respectfully, Earl
Perhaps Robert has something and doesn't know quite how to share the information. There are many companis that would love to have a bitchin' plasma HHO cell - even if they didn't merket it.
By the way, Robert, you mispelled: electrolyser, utilisation, standardisation, comunity, Intelectual, concurently, and folowing - also needs shoulkd be "need". "Electrolyser" is probably correct and just not recognized by spell checking dictionary.
Patents only provide protection if you have the means to inforce them. Few individuals do and even then the cost is exorbitant. Then there is the international aspect of it - 70k or more by the time you get a patent good in a handful of countries. Investors help pay this cost and they want a cut. Before you know it, you don't own it anymore.
Just for comparison, what is the amount of gas produced compared to conventional hydrolysis? 500% ? 800% ? 2000% ? Surely this does not disclosed anything harmful.
Sorry Grumpy,
electrolyser, utilisation, standardisation, are correctly spelled in "proper English" To spell these words with a z is an Americanism. Here in Australia both spellings are considered acceptable though most publications here use the s. We also use a different spellchecker.
Hans von Lieven
I have found myself in Electroliars. I'm not referring to the poor little researcher you guys are slandering. It's more a description of the people talking about them.
So this guy has build what he calls a hopecell and he describes how we borrowed the planet from our grandchildren. He describes how he is making effort of developing this technology.
Now if any of the electroliars in this topic would kindly explain how this scam works. Then we can all agree it is a scam. For now it looks more like this website is not going to earn a dime. I have all the expertise to know this. So you would have to match that in order to show me I'm wrong. I've always wanted to do something useful on the Internet. This is the way to scam people you say? Well I'm supper exited now, you the electroliars are the supreme con artists! Explain to us how this mind of a con artist works. I'm eager to learn.
You make claims having nothing to back it up? huh? It seems to me like this is jet another bingo fuel reactor. It's awfully obvious to me at least. Please explain to me how I'm wrong about this.
How is your 20 second rejection of his hard work justified? Only in the mind of an Electroliar right? You think anyone is interested in reading 20 second armchair rejections? Your 20 seconds destructive effort would be interesting compared to his months of work? Not on the planet I live on. Where I live it is considered useless behaviour, rude, dumb and insulting. Really! If I want to give this guy all of my money that would be non of your business. You have other people look after your finances or something? Mum perhaps? ROFL
The criticism here is that Robert's company does not release any data on the device. All he does is ask for money. All requests for additional data have been evaded.
There is nothing new about this technology. If you don"r believe me look at this:
http://membres.lycos.fr/quanthomme/jlnlabs/cfr/index.htm
It's all here and it's not Robert's. Now if he has been able to improve on this let him tell us what it is HE has done.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
I have found myself in Electroliars. I'm not referring to the poor little researcher you guys are slandering. It's more a description of the people talking about them.
etc...
I didn't bash his work. I pointed out some spelling errors in his press release and asked what his output was compared to conventional electrolysis. If less than 800 times, I'm not that interested. Hell, anyone can take the posts from this forum on HHO, using plasma and various other means - open source information - and make several cells that can produce enough gas to run an automobile.
Well, whatever...
Quote from: hopecell on November 22, 2007, 05:57:17 AM
PRESS RELEASE
OVERUNITY ELECTROLYSER - ON DEMAND FUEL FROM WATER
Please allow us to take the opportunity and inform you of the development of a new type electrolyser cell. As you can find on the web link www.hopecell.com it is a new concept of highest energy efficient fuel from water generation system, intended for multiple purposes. The Cell was developed having in mind future low emitting greenhouse gas technologies, as well as improvement of existing applications at low cost. The Cell is developed in basic utilisation of research and many potential applications needs further standardisation. After completing International PCT application which is in process, technology will be immediately available to the developing comunity and independent review. Intelectual property will be made available concurently to all interested parties as patenting rights or in other negotiated form. At the moment expressions of interest can be lodged by folowing contact details on web page www.hopecell.com
For hopecell
Robert Vancina
Thank you for presenting this fabulous investment opportunity.
Quote from: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
How is your 20 second rejection of his hard work justified?
Which hard work are you talking about? I see no hard work, only ignorant laziness.
If your definition of hard work is bla-bla generation, then you have a strange and bizarre viewpoint, in my opinion.
My definition of hard work is a report listing
gas volume, volts, amps, time. Anything less can only be described as either a scam - or - stupidity and/or laziness. These are the possibilities that I see, if some one else sees others?
Any and all claims made on this forum are done under auspice of peer review. This is how cryptography and free energy peer review works. I claim to have a new unbreakable cipher and my peers will try to break it or prove it defective. They will show no mercy. If my algorithm is weak or has weaknesses, they will be found. The attacks may go on for years until a weakness is found (or not). Aaaahhhhh, now I understand why science and mathematics is so logical and cold and why free energy is so emotional: FE is based on faith-based religion. One must never attack the self-appointed Guru by asking if the Moon is perfect, then why do I see craters on it? After all, a lot of hard work went into claiming it was perfectly round with no blemishes or defects.
If you make remarkable claims in the field of cryptography or free energy, be prepared to defend your claims and to be viciously attacked. An intellectual remains cool and answers with measured facts, an imbecile resorts to emotion. If you can not remain cool and present measured facts at the beginning of your claim, then free energy or cryptography is the wrong field for you to be in. You should switch to another endeavor.
So let us note three things:
1) this forum should not be an old ladies gossip club
2) let us stick to measured, emotionless facts and present
VOLTS, AMPS, TIME, GAS VOLUME3) If anyone is incapable, for whatever reasons, of presenting
VOLTS, AMPS, TIME, GAS VOLUMEthen they will keep their mouths shut and become a used-car
salesman/woman.
I see no reason why stupidity or laziness should be respected in this forum.
Megabytes and megabytes of forum bandwidth are used because some one
bursts out some fantastic claim with nothing but absolutely nothing to back it up.
Just hot air,
no VOLTS, no AMPS, no TIME, no GAS VOLUME.
And then what happens? The old ladies start gossiping about it, because that
is more interesting to do than watch television. Month after month after month after month the old ladies continue to gossip and megabytes flow by. Nothing ever happens because no one ever asks, "by the way what about the
VOLTS, AMPS, TIME, GAS VOLUME? But everyone has a good time wasting time, saying "oh the machine work looks so pretty" or "oh isn't this so marvelous!" or "you have just saved the world" or "anyone attacking this idea is killing my grandchildren".
If someone on the level of Bedini's school girl is capable of measuring
VOLTS, AMPS, TIME, GAS VOLUME? why can't Robert do it?
And state these facts in his first sentence? It is extremely simple, easy to do, and costs little.
I have stated the cold, hard facts, now I am gone from this thread. No sense wasting any more of my time. Bye.
Respectfully, Earl
My sentiments exactly Earl.
Hans von Lieven
I'm sure the inventor of such a device has skills far beyond the skills of us "backyard inventors" and that the requested data will be forthcoming shortly.
Hell, to even bother with a patent, he had to have seen something of interest. (ok maybe not, but giving the benefit of the doubt)
So, Robert, can you release some "general", non-harmful to the protection of your rights, information?
G'day Grumpy,
Just as a matter of interest, how many non-working patented devices do you know of?
I have a huge collection of them that I have looked at over the years. A granted patent means little, an application even less. Only independent verification and replication of devices is truly meaningful.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 26, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
G'day Grumpy,
Just as a matter of interest, how many non-working patented devices do you know of?
I have a huge collection of them that I have looked at over the years. A granted patent means little, an application even less. Only independent verification and replication of devices is truly meaningful.
Hans von Lieven
There are numerous non-working patented devices. Recently the inventor of the Molina-Martinez device explained on this forum that the device does not work (i.e. no real power). Edison was known to be more concerned with protection of patent rights than with actual functionality - specifically his detection of ether waves or whatever he called it and his subsequent press release describing possible uses before he had a handle on the effect itself.
Yes, an application does not mean much without supporting data. Like I mentioned before there are over 3500 patent with the same classification as the one listed on the IP. Patent aside, it will prove a difficult road to bring something like this to market, as there is a great deal of competition, anything resembling free-energy is suspicious, and there are open-source plasma electrolysers detailed on various forums. ("Prior art" is a real nasty pain in the arse.)
I am well aware that any patent attorney would tell Robert to say absolutely nothing, but some general approximations of the output of the Hope Cell system would be encouraging. For example, "for XXX power input, you get enough gas to run a 5 HP combustion engine continously for at least 10 hours without a load" - or something similar.
There is a Russian man that has a really interesting plasma electrolyser - I'll try to find that again as he gave the specs for it.
EDIT: Here it is:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Kanarev_Electrolysis
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/index.html
Quotegrumpy:
I didn't bash his work.
oh but the electroliars are self identifying. ;)
@walls
You know who you are guys - right? hehehe
Quote from: Earl on November 26, 2007, 07:03:27 AM
now I am gone from this thread. No sense wasting any more of my time. Bye.
Ah, so you know.
good.
A granted patent means what it means, not any more not any less either. You cant label it as impossible until you know all the ins and outs of the application.
Stan Meyer had one under 101 for example that means there was something real there where it was granted.
It doesn't mean anything else. It's even been classified I understand?
That should also mean what it means.
Jules verne heats his balloon with a thermolysis chain reaction.
A self propagating thermo/hydro/electrolyser
When Jules writes stuff it's merely a matter of time before we wear off enough of the stupid to be able to grasp it.
It's not even impressive in his resume :P