Hi All,
I had bought the Dr. Lindemann?s Electric Motor Secrets DVD and this is really
a great DVD with all the exact details how to build a no CounterEMF motor,
that is just a motor and has no generator effect built in.
So basically it is an Anti-Lentz law design, as the input current
does not rise, if you drag down the turning rotor .
Dr.Lindemann explains all the details and compares it versus
conventional DC motors, so this DVD is also really great for
motor beginners.
Have a look at it here:
http://www.free-energy.ws/products.html
Here are 2 youtube videos of it,
describing it a bit already,
but the DVD is still a lot better:
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNIXyUXXqg
Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkRYySGrPmM
If this could be scaled up and the COP could be scaled up too,
it would be possible to run a generator / alternator with it and selfpower
itsself.
I think his new S-Rotor design is the most important thing in recent
pulse motor designs, that can be scaled up to go over COP > 1.
Regards, Stefan.
The motor we see in the video, use 2 magnets in the rotor, what the video show is only the reed switch system?
So the motor can by an ordinary pulse motor "a la" bedini instead of using what he using?
Here is a homepage from a user named Eric,
who has replicated the effect:
http://home.comcast.net/~ecousins25/wsb/html/view.cgi-photos.html-.html
Also Dr. Lindemann wrote in another forum:
My DVD covers a lot of ground. First, I show how to build a Dynamometer, and then run a Dyno test on an induction motor. Then, I show exactly what Back EMF in the motor is, and why it is the main factor holding back the performance of the motor. Then I show the history of motor designs that have No Back EMF, and what the problems have been in allowing these motors to produce high torque. That brings us to Teal's Magnipulsion Engine and how he solved these problems. I also show an advanced motor I built in 1983 that solved most of these problems, as well. I end with some speculative designs that have not been fully tested yet, but are in the process of being tested now.
So, there is a lot to learn. The purpose of the DVD is to get people to think about Zero Back EMF designs as the way to produce motors with COP > 1.
With all of this in mind, you may want to wait for some more definitive testing data to come in. On the other hand, some people like to be shown basic principles so they can come up with their own design that works. There are dozens of "solutions" that will allow a working model to operate in the high torque "window" while returning most of the electrical input.
As for Bob Teal, I do not know if he is still alive. If he is, he is 85 years old and probably living in North or South Carolina. I have not tried to contact him.
The idea of efficiency is based on the First Law of Thermodynamics, often referred to as the Law of the Conservation of Energy. This idea is that energy can be converted from one form to another, but it is neither created nor destroyed by its passage through the mechanism. I do not believe in the idea of "Over Unity" because this Law is either correct and in-force at all times, or it is not. So, it is logical that the Law cannot be both correct and in-force, AND violated at the same time. It is well established that the energy conversion rate for the direct induction machine is 746 watts = 1 horse power = 550 foot-pounds per second of mechanical energy.
The magnetic attraction motors that my DVD discusses can be called indirect induction machines, as they use direct induction for the creation of a magnetic field, but it is the magnetic field that causes the mechanical energy production. So, the electricity input is only indirectly related to the production of mechanical energy in the machine. I have postulated that this process, which is NOT the same process as Faraday's induction, operates at a different conversion rate, somewhere around 200 watts = 1 horse power = 550 foot-pounds per second of mechanical energy.
Then, by configuring the machine to operate on short pulses of DC current, an inductor can be charged with electric current. This in turn, causes the creation of a magnetic field. As this magnetic field grows, it can be used to attract a piece of iron, producing mechanical energy. When the field is maximized, the current can be shut off, and the magnetic field will collapse. The collapse of the magnetic field will induce a new current of electricity that can be recaptured by the circuitry, and re-applied to the battery system, thus recovering up to 90% of the input electrical energy. If the machine can produce more than 10% mechanical energy production, then there is an anomaly here which needs a creative explanation.
So, the issue here is, how much mechanical energy can be produced by this process? The answer is, quite a lot, if you design the machine correctly. Way over 10%, in fact. So, when all of these processes are designed right, the machine apparently produces significant amounts of energy that are not explained by the Laws of Conservation.
So, three possibilities exist to explain this. The first is, that the Law of Conservation is just plain wrong, and nothing is being converted into anything else in any of these machines. Most people are not willing to entertain this idea. The second is, that the conversion rate for the indirect induction machine is different than for the direct induction machine, and therefore it can produce more mechanical energy from less electricity because that's what it does. Again, most people find this idea difficult to accept. The third is, that the machine is somehow tapping an unseen source of energy and converting it to the seen energy surplus. Many scientists are starting to consider this idea as the explanation for these phenomena.
Quote from: TheOne on December 05, 2007, 09:34:35 PM
The motor we see in the video, use 2 magnets in the rotor, what the video show is only the reed switch system?
So the motor can by an ordinary pulse motor "a la" bedini instead of using what he using?
No,
inside the motors of Dr.Lindemann are only iron pieces,
that is why, when the rotor moves there is No counterEMF induced
into the stator driving coils !
So the iron rotor ss only attracted to the coil?s fields but does not
induce any counterEMF voltage into thecoils !
Very clever.
Also you can retrieve most of the Back EMF voltage energy
out of the coils, when the rotor has passed the coil
and the mechanical attraction cycle has ended.
Then when the magnet field collapses, the BackEMF
energy is got out of the motor and can be reused or
a battery can be charged up with it for instance.
Here is an update page of Dr.Lindemann
which shows, how his motor works:
http://www.free-energy.ws/electric-motor-secrets/attraction-motor.html
Thanks now I understand how the motor work!
it apears as though the electricity just passes through the motor and comes out the other side.. sort of like wind passing over a turbine, mechanical energy is produced but the wind/air remains mostly in tact.
Yes,it seems like it is a DC to DC converter,
where we get the mechanical output from the motor for free.
Here is another forum, where the motor is already discussed a lot:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/271-electric-motor-secrets.html
Here are a few videos of a replicator on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Jetijs
Quote from: Chad on December 06, 2007, 05:04:23 AM
it apears as though the electricity just passes through the motor and comes out the other side.. sort of like wind passing over a turbine, mechanical energy is produced but the wind/air remains mostly in tact.
It may appear that way, but there are always losses in the coil. What he has depicted there with all the energy being captured in the inductive kickback is misleading. In my tests, I've only seen about 65% recovery.
Quote from: mramos on December 07, 2007, 09:15:33 AM
Has anyone tried to removing the charge battery, replace the power supply with a battery (run battery), and hook the cathode of the diode to the + on the run battery. Then monitor the battery voltage and see if it really charges?
It would be an easy mod for someone that has one with the two batteries, open a wire and move a wire and would tell the whole story.
Are you saying to try connecting it all up so that the thing charges its own run battery?
If so, that's not practical, and not really possible.
Not practical I should imagine because a battery can either be charging or discharging, not doing both at once (not effectively anyway)? Surely it would be better to run from one while charging another and then have an automated circuit with relays to swap them around?
D.
Quote from: mramos on December 08, 2007, 10:16:53 AM
Why would it not be possible? The circuit (reed relay) is open when the BEMF fires, the transistor will not conduct, the diode would direct the pulse to the + terminal (and it is all grounded)? I will look at the drawing I did and check the current paths, but at a glance it looked good yesterday. I have no motor, so I can not play with it anyway.
Far as practical. An electric motor that run forever (until a part failure) would be slick.
Examine Lindemann's diagram and you'll see that the charge battery is in reverse polarity to the run battery. Why? Because the inductive kickback is of reverse polarity to the run battery. That's why it is not possible, unless you quickly reverse the leads of the run battery during the inductive kickback, and this makes it impractical.
Bedini himself realized later on that it is far more viable to use a separate charge battery. Prior to this, he was using full wave rectifier bridges in an attempt to charge the run battery (i.e charge itself), but if one does an analysis on this, they'll see there is a problem with this approach. Follow the current paths.
if its not possible to charge the run battery, as stefan mentioned in the first post..do you thing it could be hooked up to a generator to power itself?, if this is a possibility i may have a go at building one.
chad.
Why couldn't there be several coils used so that one kick back powers the next and so on making it self powered. Once it was made self powered couldn't the out put shafts be used to generate power?
I can't wait to see when the motor is running a generator that is providing energy to the motor - via rectifier and capacitors. Should be easy as h..., as the inventor claims the battery to be charged.
Vidar
tesla did it first (canned response)! again why not go straight to the horses mouth?
Hi All !
Thanks to Peter Lindemann whose experiments showned that such a simple
motor setup hides tremendous and miraculous potential.
My contribution to further development (has anyone proposed this ? Hildebrand ?)
Adding magnets motor would run faster, and would give much stronger BEMF with again lower input.
Energy invested in Input coil should only suffice for mag flux to overcome 2 gaps (between rotor stator) and slightly longer path
(than it is straight through core of coil).
Kind of MEGolike (changing strong flux paths easily) behaviour wo counter lenz - just free mechanic output.
Perihelion Labs
Hi all !
Can someone please foreward above proposal (adding magnets) to someone who
allready made a motor and test it with magnets ?
like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e45gsISSqt4&feature=related
guy nick is jetijs
I'm not equiped with tools to cut
siliconiron laminates. I have banned many ideas just for that resason (eddy currents I can't rid off)
cause can not make custom shaped siliconiron laminates.
I'm so sure this can work obviously far beyond cop of 1. But laminates are must.
wiz
If you post it here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/
he will get it
VegasScorpion
Did anyone compare this motor with the Thane Heinz one? They seem to work on a similar principal...?
Quote from: z_p_e on December 07, 2007, 12:13:35 PM
Are you saying to try connecting it all up so that the thing charges its own run battery?
If so, that's not practical, and not really possible.
Not so fast look at topic Lenz Thane a hand - his motor charges its own batery by regenerative acceleration - mounted in a duen buggy
Hi guys,
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I also purchased, a couple of months ago, the Peter Lindemann?s Electric
Motor Secrets DVD. IMHO, it is worth it. Very pedagogical.
Best
Lentz law works within one inertial frame. As Einstein proved all physics are the same within an inertial frame. Lentz law does not apply when we take into account that the ambient electromagnetic field is a distinct inertial frame than that of the motor or generator frame. The motor or generator works relative to the ambient magnetic field. Therefore we can say that backemf and magnetic field collapse is the exchange of potential energy from the ambient em field to the generator em field.
We know that potential energy is carried in an em wave. If a scalar wave is produced at point a and received at point b then the counter emf and magnetic field collapse around the receiver coil results at a different time then the scalar wave propogation with little or no effect on the wave producer. We have allowed the Earth to move the coil across the magnetic field of the scalar wave. Now of course this may slow the Earth down a bit but she's pretty big and going pretty fast.
Quote from: CTG Labs on December 08, 2007, 12:09:19 PM
Not practical I should imagine because a battery can either be charging or discharging, not doing both at once (not effectively anyway)? Surely it would be better to run from one while charging another and then have an automated circuit with relays to swap them around?
D.
Actually T bearden figured out how to charge the battery and run the load at the same time. it works on the principle that the ions in the battery have more inertia than the electrons so you can pulse the ions backwards to keep them in position. he said they rosonate up in the megacycle or higher range. the way I see it one could devise a switching method and use a super capacitor. battery fills capacitor. battery is momentarily disconnected and reverse pulsed, then reconnected to the capacitor. the load only sees the current flowing steady from the capacitor. it only takes real short bursts of the high frequency to keep the ions in place so the battery stays charged while at the same time you are running a load with the system.
I think T Bearden talks a lot of bull, and has successfully conned a lot of money out of people over the years without being closed down by the establishment. Hmm - I wonder how he gets away with it? Seems to me that he is serving a particular purpose for those with a particular agenda ...
The best lies are the ones closest to the truth.
I am fascinated with the idea that electrical devices might tap power from the speed of the earth (whether rotational or orbital, or whatever else path we might be on - it's all relative).
Quote from: vzon17 on June 22, 2008, 10:35:32 PM
Actually T bearden figured out how to charge the battery and run the load at the same time. it works on the principle that the ions in the battery have more inertia than the electrons so you can pulse the ions backwards to keep them in position. he said they rosonate up in the megacycle or higher range. the way I see it one could devise a switching method and use a super capacitor. battery fills capacitor. battery is momentarily disconnected and reverse pulsed, then reconnected to the capacitor. the load only sees the current flowing steady from the capacitor. it only takes real short bursts of the high frequency to keep the ions in place so the battery stays charged while at the same time you are running a load with the system.
Hi, we have all read Beardens babblings. I used to be a big follower and read all his papers and books. But then, where are the working devices?
D.
Quote from: CTG Labs on September 14, 2008, 09:30:28 AM
Hi, we have all read Beardens babblings. I used to be a big follower and read all his papers and books. But then, where are the working devices?
D.
You tell me smarty pants.Where are your working devices and babblings so they can be examined?
Quote from: vzon17 on September 14, 2008, 12:00:15 PM
You tell me smarty pants.Where are your working devices and babblings so they can be examined?
Hi,
Well after many years and lots of money I have found nothing strange and have no devices that work outside of accepted principles. The difference is I don't go round quoting theories as fact with nothing to demonstrate them.
D.
Well I guess you are finished then, you have no devices and nothing to demonstrate them. ;) Only thing you have left then is to make sure nobody else finds anything outside accepted principles either. And become part of the vast army of thought police that dictate and judge what others have done. I think there are enough of those kind of people out there already. they are the main obstacle to any progress. So you might go find something else to do with your life, since your apparently not doing anything productive in this department anymore. There is no shortage of naysayers in the world at all and they all seem to quote theory as fact also. In fact they tend to quote theory and laws of physics as if they were gospel and often have the same mind set as born again followers. ::) So the "WE" that you are referring to in your reply is who? :D
1. I too conclude that Bearden has nothing, or is not telling anyone if he has - I bought one of his books that supposedly had plans and details only to be sorely disappointed. I could have got the same info free online here, in more detail.
2. The quote at the start of this thread looks fine to me - and even if you only got 65% of the energy back after circuitry losses into a different battery that's still way past "break even", with no "laws of physics" being broken. If you really get the idea of what is going on in electromagnets, you know that no energy is used up by the electromagnet when a bit of iron is attracted to it, it's the field and not the electricity doing the work, thus when the power in is cut off and a path for it's recovery is provided, you should get most of it back. The alternative is to say that a magnet loses or gains energy when you play around with it, putting bits of metal on it and pulling them away and you know that's not so.
Quote from: greendoor on June 24, 2008, 02:11:55 AM
I think T Bearden talks a lot of bull...
In particular, which of his statements do you regard as "a lot of bull" ?