First off I am posting this in this forum becuase I truly believe in the TPU and kick idea, I have a lot of thoughts that I want to share but right now is not the time.
This topic will explain why the Gov's do not want Free Energy devices. I am sure most of you have heard of the dilemma Einstein had when he was developing atomic energy. That it's immense energy could be used to destroy people. Have all of you forgotten that yes OU would be a great thing for man kind but also it would be devastating. Haven't you thought about what a sophisticated enough TPU could do???
It could behave just like an atomic bomb, that is why the GOV'S don't want it out there.
Now the other side of the issue is the oil monopoly, it is obvious. Oil is big money and they don't want to lose that. And not only would it impact the oil giants but our own keepers too. Do you know how much of your 3.00 for gas is actually tax that goes straight to the governemt. I bet some of you don't.
Now I want to know if we can create free energy, how would the plan work? Who could it be sold to at first, how could we prevent a company from getting shutdown if the feds find out? It is needed for man kind but one thing I HAVE to say and INSIST on is that a TPU device can not be released to the public, maybe for us to experiment yes, but not to the public.
My idea on the TPU operation is that the kicks from the control are used to create a sort of particle accelerator inside of the collector. Can you imagine the energy that is allowed to flow from such a circuit E=mc^2!! Can anybody honestly tell me that this device is safe to give plans to the public. Remember that it is not only the good people that will get it but the bad people too. So I think a better idea would be to first build and fully understand the TPU, then build a complete deviation but a much safer deviation. This kind of particle accelerator is extremely dangerous and mankind just is not ready.
Have you watched these?:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461
Just because it might give an answer to that question. And its up to you if you believe it or not.
Greg
The inventor said he WATCHED a few devices get destroyed, get it? With an atomic explosion he wouldn't be around to tell his story. Where do you get this nonsense about atomic explosions?
Bringing a free energy device to the market RAPIDLY will create turmoil to say the least, so what.
Let those bustards watch their stock value go to ZERO!!!
Don't worry about governments, they know how to TAX LOL :)
EM
@EM Devices
You're so ignorant! Do engineers built nuclear reactors out of household material? Hell NO!
If a terrorist could in fact get their hands on this, which they could, don't you think that a coil could be constructed that would be able to store gigantic Joules of charge and then release it at once! If the coil is superconducting it could be done!
Why don't you get you're heads out of the clouds and realize that this isn't something you can just dismiss. I believe that a new device is needed based on the concept of kicks. If I could do this then it could be patented and maybe even allowed to grow into a business.
So if you want continue trying to build this, and if your smart enough you will succeed. Then try and patent it or market it and see how far you go before the feds come knocking telling ou to STFU. Sorry but thats the simplest way I can put it. Why do you think has this tech been suppressed since the 1980's. Almost for 30 years!
There is a need for an alternative energy in this world, this TPU is just the first stepping stone.
Good Luck to all, and Deny Ignorance!
I'm not sure who's ignorant here rhombus24, you seem to think we're making atomic bombs, and we're not.
I'm telling you the TPU's are not anymore dangerous then a wall socket, so we have to be careful.
Who said anything about patenting? We're working here in the open, you're welcome to join in and contribute. Just don't be a pessimist, instead be an optimist LOL :)
EM
You are still being ignorant!! I am not accusing anyone of making bombs! I am saying there IS the potential. It is defiantely not safer than a wall socket and if you think that you should NOT be working on this device.
I really don't think that you understand the impact of this device if tuned to resonant frequency and built large enough. If you continue to tell me its not POTENTIALLY dangerous then you should not be building this device. I encourage free research but when it gets down to it someone has to make money.
If you really think that everyone here is for the research and not the money you are wrong. If someone does not patent a device someone else will tell me I am wrong.
In fact I dare you to tell me that I am wrong on the fact of how dangerous the TPU can be in the hands of inexperienced and highly experienced people. Did you read how I think it was Otto, that blew his equipment! This is not safe so don't tell me that, you do have to be careful but the device is not safe for the public!!
If you can truly see my point now just agree and Im done with you. But if you want to keep arguing to the actual potential of this device continue and I will make you look like a complete noob to the electronics field.
rhombus24 :
If you don't want the TPU plan to be release just don't download it when it will be available.
You know the wall socket is more dangerous, try to put your finger in it and you will see. TPU is not as dangerous as the wall socket. Any person that know how to use a wall socket will able to use a TPU. Since what Otto have is not the real TPU stop telling its dangerous, no one have the plan yet, I personnaly think the TPU is nothing more the a MEG in a torus configuration.
Working with electricity is always dangerous when you don't know what you are doing. If its your case just don't do it and lets the other do it if they want, its not up to you to decide who can do it or not anyway.
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why? go to
http://surphzup.com/gpage1.html
That's my view
Hello all,
a nice discussion here.
I have to agree with EM. The TPU is really not so dangerous but the point is that we have to learn how to CONTROL the beast. Nothing else. I hope we dont have to work on this to long but.....
About nuclear energy: we have bombs and dont need them thats the point. But we also use such an energy for other purposes....good ones.
The TPU can be used in our houses or somehow else......for little people and will also be used by the bad guys. We all have to accept this or live with our rising costs for electricity - energy and destroying more and more our planet.
Everybody has the chance - use it or not. When its finished.
Otto
Quote from: The Eskimo Quinn on January 08, 2008, 02:07:08 AM
why? go to
http://surphzup.com/gpage1.html
That's my view
Very interesting
helmut
A lot said there. Lets not forget the banking system. That is what holds the noose around the gov. And CB Radio? Good greif, worst apple in the basket. Most of the activity now a days is 2 and 80 meters. ;D
thaelin
Quote from: The Eskimo Quinn on January 08, 2008, 02:07:08 AM
why? go to
http://surphzup.com/gpage1.html
That's my view
@ Gregi
I just started watching the video from you above post. Good stuff.
He was talking about supper fast massive computers and it reminded me of a book written in the late 1970. In the book they were taking about a team that was in the process of perfecting a technique for writing circuits directly on silicon substrates with a laser beam in an appropriate atmosphere containing the dopant. The benefit was that they could test and correct the circuit while in the process of manufacturing. That would mean no waste as in todays lithograph techniques. In fact you could use an entire wafer as your chip. That is one MASSIVE chip. Then I watched the size of the wafers increase. What are we up to now, 12 - 15 inches? WOW.
An older friend of mine owned a company that grew, sliced and polished silicon wafers. I thought that was impressive but they were only about 5 inches and that was 25-30 years ago. Can you imagine a processor that fits on a 5 inch wafer?
Back to the main topic of this thread.
I agree with rhombus24, in part.
Yes, the government does not want everybody to have this kind of technology. Yes, I agree that it would be a disaster for a very simple reason. There are way to many god damned people. The population of a species will increase if it easy for them to do so.
The problem is it's way to easy for humans now and we have reached the point where we are beyond reasonable population density of a natural (ie. non technology based) society. I'm sorry that it is so... but, it is so.
There is another problem also. It has to do with how we reached this point. I see two major governing systems that control the thoughts and behaviors of humans. Obviously the governments of nations is a huge driving force but it is the governing system of religion that drives all of it.
I read the bible. You might not want to hear it but most of it was written by murders. It is a recipe for genocide. The people at the top stay there at the expense of those they control. Think about it.
I've got work to do. Be back latter. And remember; god damned humans... and he does to.
Look most of you are looking at this one sided and for no good reason. Yes it is obvious that in our hands it is a safe device but what if its not in ours!!
Open your eyes, do you not see what is going on in the world, how many people are dying to have atomic bombs so they can kill us. With a big enough TPU designed right, not the way Otto is doing it (no offense Otto), it could be very dangerous. Look at everything from a different perspective.
Tell me if I am wrong when I say the definition of ignorance is looking at something one way and not bothering about any other!
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 08, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
Look most of you are looking at this one sided and for no good reason. Yes it is obvious that in our hands it is a safe device but what if its not in ours!!
Open your eyes, do you not see what is going on in the world, how many people are dying to have atomic bombs so they can kill us. With a big enough TPU designed right, not the way Otto is doing it (no offense Otto), it could be very dangerous. Look at everything from a different perspective.
Tell me if I am wrong when I say the definition of ignorance is looking at something one way and not bothering about any other!
Do you have a tpu? Do you know exactly how it works? Do you know SM in person? Well, if you don't fit the profile, then NO ONE KNOWS THIS CAN BE A BOMB. Your so arrogant. You need to open your eye's, as you don't know crap about the tpu. Open source is a hell of a lot safer than patenting. Without open source, some amazing things wouldn't be here today. Like linux, or all the other software out there. Millions of people know how to program, but has the internet been shut down by a super virus? NO!
Anybody could make a bomb, anybody could break into your house and kill you right now. Wars, killing millions. The tpu would be a ant device in the midst of terrorist. Assuming that it actualy could be turned into a bomb...
I think somebody here missed a key step. Has anyone ever powered anything off a TPU for any extended period of time (say a week)? Until then, nobody cares that you have one, not even the government.
Yea nice call me arrogant.
So you obviously don't believe in the power of the tpu. If the energy really is from the vacuum it could easily be used as an EMP. Then what you arrogant %^K.
I completely agree with the idea of opensource I never said anything bad about it. All I did say is that if someone does not patent what information naturally stems from this site someone else will. If you think it won't happen then fine with me, I will patent MY device and then I can come back here and say I told you so.
I am not discouraging work on this subject, READ MY FREAKIN POST, it is about how the GOVERNMENT will never let this happen!!!!!
They believe it has potential for a bomb, and it does. Stop saying it doesn't. Prove to me that it can't.
SM said it was dangerous, Otto and others have said the same thing. SM or one of his freinds was told by the Feds to stop doing research. Are you so blind? Why do you think this device is not powering my home thirty years after it was invented.
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Now as for what I would make as my device..
I really think after reading all of these posts on all the different SM topics it seems that you are all missing the MAIN IDEA SM wanted to convey. I cannot say it becuase damn there goes all the possible inventions, but there is a main idea that is either missing or those that see it have decided not to post it.
The only way that it can be seem, the hidden point, is to look at SM research. I am not saying others here haven't done good work, but every experiment I have seen is missing the MAIN idea. And can the guy who told me this wouldn't be patented please tell me why it wouldn't. As far as I can tell the ideas I have thought of for a new device have not been discussed here.
Think Outside of the Box.
Better Yet,
Think Outside of the TPU!
Quote from: mramos on January 08, 2008, 09:17:40 PM
My thoughts. When I say "some people here" do not think I am talking about you unless you believe what I said... If it makes you upset, then that is probably what you think. I just happen to disagree.
I do not think the TPU will kill you. But then again, I do not have a working one or seen specs on the working one "some people here" reference, so I might be wrong. :) And I did read all those pages (from years ago), built a few as many did. We are still back at the fuzzy videos. It has been many years now chasing the old videos. Manix talked to Steve. Still nothing.. So look likes someone again having fun with a video camera. Anyway.
I will stick a finger in a wall outlet, one at a time with rubber sandals on anytime, I think I will be safe. As there is no path for the power to go through my body to harm me. Both fingers would provide a path and be dumb. Not sure how we went from Unicorn (TPU) to a wall outlet we have had for many many years?
I will go look at this guys video for fun. See what his deal is. As I read a couple post and thought here we go again...
I agree with EM. Also there is NO TPU that is OU yet to even talk about it being dangerous.
Say a TPU shows up tomorrow (internal laugh).
I think the Governments will be fine, they will still tax all that I make and spend (except my power now now). They will loose a little special interest money, but it will not break a Country at all. I do not think the oil companies pay the bills. They donate, yea (someone has to allow all that poison exhaust in the air; bet ole Al Gore had a part of that somewhere in his Nobel career). But nothing more would change if a TPU did exists. We do all know, there is no such thing right?
"Some people here" think oil people take all there BILLIONS and have a crew that goes to simple peoples houses that claim to have free energy (guess they read this forum to find them) and scare them, kill them, take their project. That just make no sense.
They (oil folks) have so much money, the TPU would mean they would have to just live off the BILLIONS they have and deal with the fact that is all they get. I would take that job.
I have billions, a little cheap box comes out and gives free energy to the world. Guess I need to spend my BILLIONS..
Look dude I really feel bad for you, wake up to what this world truly is.
The oil giants definitely would not be content with living off their billions, it is like a high making money. They are the most powerful men on the face of this planet. Oil companies and banks are what drives this government, NOT THE PEOPLE, NOT THE PRESIDENT, AND NOT HIS CABINET.
Do you not think that if a little guy was claiming they could shut YOUR multibillion dollar business down with a couple thousand bucks, that you would just shutup. DUDE they KNOW free energy is possible, it has been suppressed for many years now, read the horror stories.
one of the big bottom lines here is......, untill the gov stops controlling us all we are ALL screwed.
....and if you think there not controlling us, ya really need to wake up, but hey lets say we are all awake and know this right ?.....so what there still controlling us and haveing THERE way with us, while we all do NOTHING, so i put the question to you all, WHAT do we do,how do we stop them , i mean really stop them , is there a way?, i mean the USA have a so called consistution right to use as a guide to out line things so that the ppl have the controll, yet they dont they have killers in power,and they always have, hhhhhhmmmmmmm nothing is done about it ever.
....the human race seem to be a sad bunch really and just like to be dicked over.( personally this f****s me off to no end). >:(
Quote from: b0rg13 on January 08, 2008, 10:37:59 PM
one of the big bottom lines here is......, untill the gov stops controlling us all we are ALL screwed.
....and if you think there not controlling us, ya really need to wake up, but hey lets say we are all awake and know this right ?.....so what there still controlling us and haveing THERE way with us, while we all do NOTHING, so i put the question to you all, WHAT do we do,how do we stop them , i mean really stop them , is there a way?, i mean the USA have a so called consistution right to use as a guide to out line things so that the ppl have the controll, yet they dont they have killers in power,and they always have, hhhhhhmmmmmmm nothing is done about it ever.
....the human race seem to be a sad bunch really and just like to be dicked over.( personally this f****s me off to no end). >:(
I am so sorry to hear you are being CONTROLLED. I suggest TINFOIL on the HEAD.
why dont you stop posing as a chick and get real ?, and thanks but i dont need tinfoil.
Quote from: b0rg13 on January 08, 2008, 10:51:23 PM
why dont you stop posing as a chick and get real ?, and thanks but i dont need tinfoil.
I think you do.
ok so for some reason you like my attention , go play on a highway or something k ?. ::)
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 08, 2008, 09:42:28 PM
Yea nice call me arrogant.
So you obviously don't believe in the power of the tpu. If the energy really is from the vacuum it could easily be used as an EMP. Then what you arrogant %^K.
I completely agree with the idea of opensource I never said anything bad about it. All I did say is that if someone does not patent what information naturally stems from this site someone else will. If you think it won't happen then fine with me, I will patent MY device and then I can come back here and say I told you so.
I am not discouraging work on this subject, READ MY FREAKIN POST, it is about how the GOVERNMENT will never let this happen!!!!!
They believe it has potential for a bomb, and it does. Stop saying it doesn't. Prove to me that it can't.
SM said it was dangerous, Otto and others have said the same thing. SM or one of his freinds was told by the Feds to stop doing research. Are you so blind? Why do you think this device is not powering my home thirty years after it was invented.
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Now as for what I would make as my device..
I really think after reading all of these posts on all the different SM topics it seems that you are all missing the MAIN IDEA SM wanted to convey. I cannot say it becuase damn there goes all the possible inventions, but there is a main idea that is either missing or those that see it have decided not to post it.
The only way that it can be seem, the hidden point, is to look at SM research. I am not saying others here haven't done good work, but every experiment I have seen is missing the MAIN idea. And can the guy who told me this wouldn't be patented please tell me why it wouldn't. As far as I can tell the ideas I have thought of for a new device have not been discussed here.
Think Outside of the Box.
Better Yet,
Think Outside of the TPU!
Your acting that way. Plenty of people here have put effort into creating new experiments, and you sit there, in your warm little chair, and claim that there missing the main idea. Stop trying to spread your hypothesis like it's a fact... NOBODY HAS PROVEN THAT THE TPU WILL EXPLODE! WHY? BECAUSE NO ONE HAS EVER BUILT A FULL WORKING TPU ON THIS FORUM! Like I said, if you got the goods to build it, post us some instructions...
There is no such thing as energy from a vacuum. The idea is idiotic.
Logic dictates that if you can pull ANYTHING out of a vacuum, it was not a vacuum to begin with.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 09, 2008, 03:41:05 AM
There is no such thing as energy from a vacuum. The idea is idiotic.
Logic dictates that if you can pull ANYTHING out of a vacuum, it was not a vacuum to begin with.
Hans von Lieven
Not according to Lee-Tseung. While a vacuum is not a fuel, it is an energy carrier. :)
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* Enlightenment is man?s leaving his self-caused immaturity. Immaturity is the incapacity to use one's intelligence without the guidance of another. Such immaturity is self-caused if it is not caused by lack of intelligence, but by lack of determination and courage to use one's intelligence without being guided by another. Sapere Aude! [Dare to know!] Have the courage to use your own intelligence! is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.
* Through laziness and cowardice a large part of mankind, even after nature has freed them from alien guidance, gladly remain immature. It is because of laziness and cowardice that it is so easy for others to usurp the role of guardians. It is so comfortable to be a minor!
* There will always be some people who think for themselves, even among the self-appointed guardians of the great mass who, after having thrown off the yoke of immaturity themselves, will spread about them the spirit of a reasonable estimate of their own value and of the need for every man to think for himself.
* A public can only arrive at enlightenment slowly. Through revolution, the abandonment of personal despotism may be engendered and the end of profit-seeking and domineering oppression may occur, but never a true reform of the state of mind. Instead, new prejudices, just like the old ones, will serve as the guiding reins of the great, unthinking mass.
All that is required for this enlightenment is freedom; and particularly the least harmful of all that may be called freedom, namely, the freedom for man to make public use of his reason in all matters. But I hear people clamor on all sides: Don't argue! The officer says: Don't argue, drill! The tax collector: Don't argue, pay! The pastor: Don't argue, believe!
* The public use of a man's reason must be free at all times, and this alone can bring enlightenment among men...
Immanuel Kant (22 April 1724 - 12 February 1804)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant)
It was true before and it is true now.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 09, 2008, 03:41:05 AM
There is no such thing as energy from a vacuum. The idea is idiotic.
Logic dictates that if you can pull ANYTHING out of a vacuum, it was not a vacuum to begin with.
Hans von Lieven
Once upon a time there was a vacuum. There was nothing in it. Totally empty.
Then along came Niel Bohrs and others and lo and behold the vacuum turned out not to be empty any more. In fact, it never was empty. Pre-QM scientists thought it was empty, but they did not understand the extremely bizarre world of QM. You have a vacuum with nothing in it and suddenly virtual particles appear from nowhere. And they they just as suddenly disappear again, only to be replaced by other virtual particles appearing from nowhere. One big batch of frothing aether, everywhere in the entire Universe, in between atoms, in between electrons, in between protons and neutrons. In the hardest vacuum, with not a single atom, the frothing aether is still there.
Since the notion of a pre-QM vacuum has no connection to a post-QM vacuum, I don't believe in using the expression "energy from the vacuum". That is a bit old fashioned and confuses people. One should instead say energy from the zero-point, or energy from aether, quantum energy, or energy from the space-time-continuum, etc. Please try to ban the word vacuum from your vocabulary when talking about "?nergie quantique". To be blunt, old Farts might still use the term vacuum in connection with FE, but younger people born after Niels Bohr do not.
Niels Bohr said that if QM did not disturb you to your core, than it went over your head and you did not understand QM.
It is that revolutionary and non logical.
Experiments have even shown a real sub-atomic particle hitting another non-existent sub-atomic particle and bouncing off at an angle. It can not be excluded that our Universe is oscillating with its copy and that at certain instants of time and space as they slip by each other, they merge. Maybe the quantum foam is caused by two Universes, closely-spaced in quantum-time and quantum-space, but with quantum-phase-noise in time domain and space domain?
I have seen a scope trace from a colleague doing a HF-electrolysis experiment, where a loop indicated that time had gone backwards.
I'll repeat it:
"The entire knowledge of mankind is zero plus delta, where delta approaches zero."
Earl
By the way, governments, banks, oil companies, and the MIB only control inventors that want to make money from their invention. Those that give it away for free and later hit the jackpot by preventing global nuclear war over dwindling energy resources are uncontrollable.
QuoteOnce upon a time there was a vacuum. There was nothing in it. Totally empty.
Then along came Niel Bohrs and others and lo and behold the vacuum turned out not to be empty any more.
Wrong!
Parmenides 510 - 450 BC said clearly that there is no such thing a a vacuum, in fact a vacuum could not exist in the universe. Quantum mechanics just took up the idea. Johnny come lately's by 2500 years! LOL
Hans von Lieven
ok stepping away from the vacuum BS , let look at the question being asked here.......
>>>>Why Governments suppress Free Energy! <<<<
...k here is the answer, some of you may be shocked, and even get upset ::),but here it is.
>>>>>>>>>> BECAUSE THEY CAN AND WE LET THEM!(thats right you heard WE let them F**** with us and we love it, if we didnt LOVE IT,they would be jailed untill the bastards did the right thing.) , theres your answer,now all you have to do is keep sucking it up like you have been and stop ask stupid questions.<<<<<<<<(shessh) ::)
mramos,
check out the details of Stanley Meyer's untimely death just recently, and tell us your opinion of what happened to him.
LC
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Quote from: Freedomfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
I am sure that most of you have read SM's account of his interview with the FBI in his letter published in the compiled pdf of SM postings. It should be clear from this account of the interview that the TPU is classified technology belonging to the US government. The fact that there is no patent also suggests that this is classified technology. He may have been awarded a patent after presenting information about just a crucial part of the device in order to thwart 'suppression' if the authorities issue a secrecy order. Once they understood what the patent was really for they would have withdrawn it in the interst of national security. If this is so then SM does not have the right to claim ownership of the TPU and neither does he have the right to sell the rights to the device to others. The investers who paid him $10 million have effectively lost their money because it is not possible to manufacture classsified technology for sale to the public. In 2003 SM again tried to sell the rights to something that does not belong to him by contacting the Seaspower group. If I am right then SM is as much a scoundrel as Abdul Qadeer Khan who sells nuclear secrets to rogue states.
People on this forum regard SM as some kind of expert on the technology, but this is not so. SM is a self taught man who discovered the technique by tinkering. His naivity is revealed by his statement that the TPU pulls electricity out of the sky. Once you understand where the energy comes from you would understand why this technology is so dangerous. No responsible person who really understands this technology would dream of sending messages to a science forum encouraging the public to reproduce it because there is a chance that a forum member would have a fatal accident or turn it into a bomb. I don't want to go into details about things the public are not supposed to know except to say that the TPU taps the same source of energy that caused Tunguska and this event was caused by high altitude lightning on a vast scale.
There are people on this forum who are so conceited that they believe that having an engineering degree makes them qualified to work with classified technolgy. I can assure you that however well educated you are nothing you have been taught has prepared you for this. No more dangerous than a wall socket? Actually, free-energy is a lot more dangerous than a wall socket. In his disclosure book Steven Greer clearly states several times that the classified devices that he proposes that the public should be allowed to buy for use as generators can also be used as weapons. Why would Greer or anyone else consider giving such dangerous technology to the public if there was a harmless alternative in the form of the TPU? It is possible that one of the classified devices on offer is in fact the US government's own version of the TPU.
About a year ago I began to susupect that there is a serious safety issue with magnet motors and that there are possible military applications for them. Since the TPU appears to be the same thing except with virtual magnets then the same issues would apply to it as well. I have since done more research that has convinced me that it is not possible to separate military and civillian applications of this technolgy and that presenting information about it on the internet will put the safety of the public in jeapardy. That is why I deleted my post and why I will not share my research on free energy here.
Should we go back to banging rocks together then?
Build more nuclear ractors? Drill for oil in Alaska? or your backyard?
We can build bombs from fertilizer but no cheap energy.
There is no evidience that he received anything for the technology much less 10M. If he did discover it, he has the damn right to do whatever he pleases with it. Look at all the inventors and discoverers before him. What about Tesla's technology? Should Tesla's patents be deleted from patent offices because they can be dangerous?
Perhaps there are no patents because thee simply weren't any given.
Taking a breath of air is dangerous. Walking down the damn street is dangerous. Driving a car is dangerous. Working on a machine is dangerous. Taking a crap on a toilet is dangerous - a damn snake might swim up the pipe and bight you on the arse - ROFLMFAO!!!!!
Hear about that kid that was enriching uranium in a shed next to his house? Whole damn neighborhood was hot. He's in the Navy now. Hmm - guess that was a little dangerous...
Magnet motors are uinsafe too - shite what's left? Plasma?
Good Lord no Grumpy not plasma. Rumor has it it can get hot. Heat can cause burn injury. and even death. Besides the surgeon general has determined that living can be hazardous to your health!
Don't you realise that the inventors and thinkers need people who have convinced themselves that they are smarter than than everyone else to protect us. Its all in the name of safety for goodness sake. Thats just what we need. more safety police running around. Its getting out of hand. don't you know that real progress is being made. Now we cant have that now can we. its unsafe i tell you!
Labels should read "Spinning magnets inside an armature can cause electricity, Electricity can cause death or serious injury" lol!
If Governments don't want "free energy" or "cheap energy" in the hands of the people - it is becuase of one thing - control.
Look at the revenue collected from all the sources of energy that we use.
Look at the infrastructure required to deliver it to you and the support required to maintain it.
It's all about power and control - no pun intended. The less the people rely on others - the less control you have.
What if we had replicators like on Star Trek - no worries for food, clothing, nothing to buy - just push a button and there it is.
Don't you think that governments would take away everyone's arms (guns and such) if they could? Is it for safety from ourselves?
Are we supposed to be like the "Copper-Tops" in the Matrix - contributing energy to the system in exchange for life and protection - as long as we keep contributing.
Then there is the aspect of the Matrix that is based on what many intelligent people have told us is the truth. Things like "light speed can not be exceeded by matter", "perpetual motion machines and anything looking like one can not exist", etc.
Maxwell, after he wrote his fine works, stated that he did not know if he was correct.
Thoughts similar to this occured to Einstein as well. Neither were gods - just mortal men.
Unless you look beyond what others before us have seen - we can see nothing more. Same goes for the responsibility of mankind.
Change has to come - it is enevitable - and no one can stop it forever.
Mankind will mature as a species or destroy himself - like many before him (and a few times before too).
It's a sad world. Think about the happiness of people if we were totaly free. Civilzation created crimes we fear today.
@ Grumpy, And Hope. Yep! agree 100%. Until the acquisition of wealth and so called power becomes a distant goal of the species as a whole. there is much to do. we have a long way to go to break that cycle.
What do "They" really controll anyway?,, NOTHING! "They" are as helpless and mortal as everyone else. Sick and twisted maybe, But still mortal.
Hi!
Einstein?
Who is this guy?
The one who dismissed Aether?
The f' one that forbidden more than light speed?
I have a free CD about that. Just email me.
Fed up with the 'relativity' police.
Come on! Einstein is over.
Best
Nerz Duhal..
The post wasn't on einsteins ideas but his fears! E=mc^2 no matter how wrong he was it still implied vast energy potential.
To the guy who runs keelytech, I thought you were an intelligent person but arguing on the third page about how some guy in 400AD said that the vacuum was not possible or was empty, you sound like your retarded. How would you think a man that lived in an age without the technology we have today could understand a concept. You sound almost like this guy who barely knew what we know today could be such an immortal physics god or something. I say go back to your site and don't post there is no such thing as quantuum energy. Can you disprove it? HELL NO, becuase you haven't the mathematical equations to disprove it. In fact this energy violates no laws of quantuum physics!
sorry dudes you just abounch of cry babies ilke most poeple ...TESLA GAVE YOU THE TOOLS so QUIT CRYEN GO MAKE THEM WORK :o or your just in learning and can get it , thatsok most can't get it ..... your lost you'll never get it and just bitch all the time ...educate yourself and be educated and be a builder this is what this fourm is about not lerkers and sit on there ass as ask questions
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
I am sure that most of you have read SM's account of his interview with the FBI in his letter published in the compiled pdf of SM postings. It should be clear from this account of the interview that the TPU is classified technology belonging to the US government.
I think you are inventing conclusions, since I find that it is not clear at all from this interview that this technology belongs to the US government. If it was, SM would have been arrested by the FBI for attempting to release government-owned, classified technology. The fact that he was not arrested is absolute proof that this technology is privately-owned.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
The fact that there is no patent also suggests that this is classified technology.
You have a very active imagination, unfortunately totally non logical and very biased. The above statement is so weird, I can not help but have the feeling that you are a disinformation agent.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
He may have been awarded a patent [snip]
If this is so then SM does not have [snip]
Maybe this, if so that
..........What a waste of time.
Maybe if the sky falls, if so we will all die.
You are blowing smoke rings out your ass.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
In 2003 SM again tried to sell the rights to something that does not belong to him by contacting the Seaspower group.
Again a lie, since if he attempted to sell classified, government property he would have been arrested again. He would long ago have been placed under permanent FBI and NSA monitoring and his communications with SEA would have been intercepted. Once again, this proves without any doubt whatsoever that the TPU is corporate property, which if not followed up, becomes public domain.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
If I am right then SM is as much a scoundrel as Abdul Qadeer Khan who sells nuclear secrets to rogue states.
"if I am right" translated into English means "I do not know what I am talking about".
whose nuclear secrets? Are Pakistani nuclear secrets now automagically property of the US Government?
What about Mrs. Plame's anti-proliferation investigations concerning Dick Cheney ?
Which rogue state sent weaponized anthrax spores to Senator Daschle and others, killing five people and infecting 17 others.? Hint: this anthrax was manufactured by and under the control of the US government.
Which rouge state wanted Senator Daschle to stop his investigation of 911? Which rouge state brought down building 7 in a controlled demolition, as confirmed by Larry Silverstein in a TV interview?
Which rouge state sent 6 fully-armed nuclear warheads on advanced cruise missiles flying over the USA in violation of a multitude of Air Force regulations and strict, draconian controls? Which rouge state disabled the alarm system for the nuclear weapons bunker? The entire operation was completely outside the normal chain of command with its double and triple checks at every step along the way. Which rouge state wrote the name of an American city on each of the 6 nuclear weapons? Which rouge state murdered half a dozen airmen involved in this incident?
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
Once you understand where the energy comes from you would understand why this technology is so dangerous.
The horseless carriage is more dangerous than the TPU. Not only does this diabolical contraption cause millions of direct deaths per year, the insidious effects are worse. Putting lead in gasoline has lead to the dropping of IQ in the general American populace to around 50. This is proven by the fact that a third of the American public believe that the Sadaam bogeyman was behind 911.
With no fallout, it is a proven fact that the TPU can cause no lasting damage. It can not cause a nuclear winter, nor damage the human genome.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
No responsible person who really understands this technology would dream of sending messages to a science forum encouraging the public to reproduce it because there is a chance that a forum member would have a fatal accident or turn it into a bomb.
Anyone capable of building a TPU that functions is a priori an educated and experienced experimenter with appropriate and sophisticated equipment. Computer heros spend their time posting instead of building. Everyone on this forum knows that even a power supply with 50 Volts can kill. The 110 or 220 Volts in every household socket can kill. A lamp cord can kill, a hairdryer in the bathroom, and on and on. You can slip getting up in the morning and have a fatal accident.
Every responsible person would insist that all forum members stay in bed, since it is common knowledge that getting out of bed carries the risk of a fatal accident. This is a fact that can not be denied.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
I don't want to go into details about things the public are not supposed to know except to say that the TPU taps the same source of energy that caused Tunguska and this event was caused by high altitude lightning on a vast scale.
You are inventing things again and blowing smoke rings out your ass. Expeditions sent to the area in the 1950s and 1960s found microscopic glass spheres in siftings of the soil. Chemical analysis showed that the spheres contained high proportions of nickel and iridium, which are found in high concentrations in meteorites, hinting that they were of extraterrestrial origin. In scientific circles, the leading explanation for the explosion is the air burst of a meteoroid 6?10 kilometers above Earth's surface. Since the second half of the 20th century, close monitoring of Earth's atmosphere has led to the discovery that such meteoroid air bursts occur rather frequently. A stony meteoroid of about 10 meters (30 ft) in diameter can produce an explosion of around 20 kilotons, and data released by the U.S. Air Force's Defense Support Program indicate that such explosions occur high in the upper atmosphere more than once a year. Soviet experiments performed in the mid-1960s, with model forests (made of matches) and small explosive charges slid downward on wires, produced butterfly-shaped blast patterns strikingly similar to the pattern found at the Tunguska site. The experiments suggested that the object had approached at an angle of roughly 30 degrees from the ground and 115 degrees from north and had exploded in mid-air.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
There are people on this forum who are so conceited that they believe that having an engineering degree makes them qualified to work with classified technology.
Here you are taking the position that "if I lie enough times, people may believe my lies".
This technology is not classified, especially in Canada, Mexico, and all other countries in the world. Forum members in countries all over the globe are inherently qualified for TPU research and need NO permission from anyone or any government. American sovereignty ends at its borders.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
It is possible that one of the classified devices on offer is in fact the US government's own version of the TPU.
You keep repeating your lie that SM offered classified devices, when in fact doing so would have resulted in his immediate arrest.
It is possible that the Sun will stop shinning tomorrow.
It is possible that you are retarded.
Quote from: Fascistfuel on January 10, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
I have since done more research that has convinced me that it is not possible to separate military and civilian applications of this technology and that presenting information about it on the internet will put the safety of the public in jeopardy. That is why I deleted my post and why I will not share my research on free energy here.
You did not use due diligence in your research or you would have discovered that we have long since been over Hubbert's peak and that all oil pumps will be stopped in the time frame 2020 - 2025 as it will cost more energy to pump and distribute hydrocarbon products than obtained by burning them. Assuming that famines, riots, anarchy, and the big die will start a decade or more before the pumps are turned off, we do not have much time left. This is also the point when all governments and nation states will collapse.
The imbeciles with the horse blinders of "national security" and "military supremacy" who kept this knowledge locked up in special compartmentalized projects, instead of releasing it in the 1960s and 70s will be responsible for the upcoming, total destruction of America. Even if released tomorrow, it is most likely too late to save 200 million Americans from starvation. Another 50 million will die from cannibalism. This is called retarded national security.
The danger from TPUs is negligible compared to the number of people that Nature will kill as a result of mankind's stupidity. A global population dropping from say 8 to 10 billion down to 100 million in the space of a few years due to starvation is a lot more damage than any TPUs could ever do.
Your preaching of TPU danger is so biased, so contorted, so full of lies, you must be a dis-information agent, there is hardly another explanation.
Earl
There is nothing wrong with trying to further mankind and progress on the TPU.
My main point is that the government will suppress the hell out of it becuase it can be used as a weapon. If you don't belive it can be used as a weapon, please stop experimenting becuase you WILL hurt yourself.
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2. But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron! That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
Guns do not kill people.
People kill people.
Man's worst enemy is himself.
That aside, back to the search....
@Earl,
bitchin' post - dude - must of drank a 6p of "whoop-ass" writing that.
Enough of this "bury the TPU" crap!
Let's figure it out and set us all free!
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2. But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron! That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?
It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.
Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.
Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.
Cheers from the Toad who Hops
Quote from: hoptoad on January 14, 2008, 02:30:18 AM
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2. But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron! That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?
It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.
Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.
Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.
Cheers from the Toad who Hops
I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth. Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision. Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 14, 2008, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: hoptoad on January 14, 2008, 02:30:18 AM
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 11:19:22 PM
The maximum amount of energy possible from this system is described by e=mc^2. But not for the entire machine, in fact it is for each electron! That is a ridiculous amount of energy.
@rhombus
Never was there a greater misunderstanding of Einsteins formula than it's representation here in this thread. Yes E=mc^2. But what does that actually mean?
It is not a formula for predicting the kinetic energy of an electron (or any piece of matter), as it hurtles around at sub-luminal speed. It is a formula which shows the amount of energy released when matter (of any kind) is completely annihilated and is no longer considered a piece of matter, but instead is converted to the pure energy equivalent of a given particle of matter.
Simply accelerating an electron to high speeds does not give it the awesome energy output of E=mc^2. It's still matter, and merely possesses a kinetic energy with an impact force dictated by Newtons Law of Force = mass x acceleration.
Huge amounts of energy would only be released if the impact between a high speed electron and any other piece of matter was a direct hit, and complete anihilation of the electron (or other matter particle) occurred. If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.
Cheers from the Toad who Hops
I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth. Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision. Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.
Yep, you know it all. I guess we should drop all the work this wondeful part of the forum has produced and listen to your super atomic e=mc^2 TPU you talk about. Amazing; continue to damage your crediblility.... ::)
Governments don't supress free energy they are too busy busting scientist's balls to produce weapons so they can rule a fucked up world for a few years.
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 14, 2008, 08:49:57 PM
I agree with the complete annihilation and I understand that, however you are wrong saying that the first lightning bolt would have destroyed the earth. Please explain to me how a nuclear bomb works, and I mean the physics behind the atomic collision. Then I will compare that to what an advanced TPU could do.
@rhombus
I agree 100 per cent, that the first lightning bolt
would not have destroyed the earth. I stated that :
If moving electrons at high speed alone was capable of producing such an effect, then the world would already have ended when the first lightning bolt was produced in the atmosphere.
But high speed electrons, on their own, are incapable of yielding energy in the magnitude of E = MC ^ 2, so we need not fear for the world splitting in two from a lightning bolt!
As for how an atom bomb works, I will simply point you to these sites, rather than re-write an extensive and time consuming explanation myself.
1. http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm
2. http://www.tech-faq.com/nuclear-bomb.shtml
3. http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-an-atomic-bomb-work.htm
4. http://connections.smsd.org/veterans/atomic_bomb2.htm
5. http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/nuclear/bomb.html
6. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html
And last but certainly not the least : 7. http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm
Cheers from the Toad who Hops
I believe E=MC2 wasn't Einstein's formula to begin with. The above formula quantitively describes what Energy is. Energy is a change. Mass is a state of Equilibrium. Energy is a change in this state of equilibrium. Speed of light determines the rate of change. It is squared because mass exists at equilibrium when it is at the speed of light. What Einstein did was expand upon this theory by stating Energy is only relavent to an observer. This is quite obvious but he did the Math to prove it. There can be no change in matter, Energy, unless it is observed.
In other words there can be no change unless something stays the same.
The above formula holds true from everything from throwing a ball to neuclear fusion and fission. The atomic neucleus is a very stable form of matter. Therefore it takes alot of force to tip the scales of equilibrium in the neucleus of an atom. Once this equilibrium is upset there is a conversion of potential for energy into kinetic energy. This kinetic energy is small but enough to cause conversion of potential to kinetic in the next atom and a chain reaction takes place. Just like tipping domino's over. ;D
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Freedomfuel, why are you on that side? What do you want?
Please stop the nonsense and the negative attitude towards this effort.
Like I said before the TPU's mechanism of distruction is the same as a ligthbulb, a toaster, and electronic circuit, etc.., it gets hot and can melt the wires, components etc.. and causes an open circuit and the function stops.
There are no possibilities for nuclear explosions, tuguskas events, or any of the things you mentioned.
Do you have any solid research to show us otherwise?
I do agree with you that the technology could be CLASSIFIED. It's probably for the same reason that UFO technology is classified, or other free energy devices.
We are realy dealing with technologies that can liberate the human race and the people in control don't want to loose it. People don't want abrupt changes either.
That's my view at least. Let's end with these discussions.
EM
FreedomFuel,
Bad day at the office hay?
What? There was a power fail whist you were using your electrocution kit?
you will see they want to devellop huge buildings with inside giant tpu's.
they will convert the energy for free ,couple it to the existing networks, and send out bills to the consumers.
Just like they do with nuclear reactors,windmills,solar panels,steam generators,water plants you name it.
They will always try to charge someone.
It will be here before you know it.
just like radio, motors ,electric lights, television ,mobile phones, internet ,sattelite navigation/communication technology, it will be here and it will be normal as all the other stuff has become normal.
It is just a matter of time.
Technology cannot be stopped nor suppressed forever.
M.
Man EMDevices you really just don't care about anything that we are saying. Can you prove that it is not possible for a massive ly destructive weapon to be able to be built out of this?
Of course not becuase if this device can create an unlimited source of energy it can be used for a lot. So please just stop saying that this device is the same as my toaster becuase if it was I would be using my toaster to power the united states.
Quote from: rhombus24 on February 05, 2008, 10:20:36 PM
Man EMDevices you really just don't care about anything that we are saying. Can you prove that it is not possible for a massive ly destructive weapon to be able to be built out of this?
Of course not becuase if this device can create an unlimited source of energy it can be used for a lot. So please just stop saying that this device is the same as my toaster becuase if it was I would be using my toaster to power the united states.
You are assuming that the TPU is dangerous because SM said the effect could be similar to an event where a TV exploded .... Is there any proof that they are actually related in ANY way ?
It is not the job of anyone here to prove that any particular device has no possible danger .
If you are right and this technology is being hidden by the government ..... I would guess that the men in black will have to do their jobs.
Personally all I know is that if we keep doing things they way we have been doing them ........ humanity will be in very bad shape in a decade or 2
gary
.. To all the freakin pussies in life... THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
Get out there, live it , and don't be scared..
Life is dangerous in general .. think about the irony of your arguments..
There are people dying in civil wars all over the middle east and other war torn nations , there are Americans that worked there whole lives to find out now they wont be able to retire. They want to put walls and cameras up in nyc.. The shit has already hit the fan the time for squabbling and deciding is over.. IF your not with the effort to find a new energy technology and help release it to the public then leave this forum. And if something confuses you dont let it scare you.. people here leave warnings like dont stick your hand in the ring for one reason and one reason only. To help the effort not to scare people.. If one less person gets an rf burn in testing thats one more inventor we have here still working diligently, no one would want harm to come to anyone here working on a device or the general public.. but risks must be taken to advance this effort. The normal guy thinks hey thanks for the tip so i dont make the same mistake.. the puke of this earth says.. ahhhhhhh im scared ahhhhhhhhh . Is my tv going to blow up.. shit i better keep watching it. ::)
Quote from: rhombus24 on January 12, 2008, 12:12:08 AM
Nerz Duhal..
The post wasn't on einsteins ideas but his fears! E=mc^2 no matter how wrong he was it still implied vast energy potential.
To the guy who runs keelytech, I thought you were an intelligent person but arguing on the third page about how some guy in 400AD said that the vacuum was not possible or was empty, you sound like your retarded. How would you think a man that lived in an age without the technology we have today could understand a concept. You sound almost like this guy who barely knew what we know today could be such an immortal physics god or something. I say go back to your site and don't post there is no such thing as quantum energy. Can you disprove it? HELL NO, becuase you haven't the mathematical equations to disprove it. In fact this energy violates no laws of quantum physics!
Im sorry to see such hurtful things being said! there is no vacuum, there is only neutral (zero, not nothing, neutral) from which spring the entire universe. Believe it or not, your position in time on this planet does not have an effect on your knowlege of it, 400ad, 3000bc it doesnt matter, knowlege of the fundamental movement of energy is there for those who will find it. Tesla understood, 100 years ago, does that make him wrong? Russell understood 70 years ago, does that make him more right than Tesla?
You can have a teeter totter, and have a fulcrum. You will never find a place in the center that doesnt move no matter how small you get. Yet we keep smashing atoms smaller and smaller.
Last sentence didn't make sense? hmmmm.
From a self imposed victim:
I didn't like the warm microwave feeling that runs over my forearm when the ring is on,
I didn't like the clicking that shoots out the back of my elbow when the ring is on,
I didn't like the excruciating headache on my right side as I grab the ring with my right hand when it is on.
That was a year ago. I don't have any more self-inflicted adventures like these. Is it dangerous? Why yes! But I for one do not stop. Fear is not in the equation.
And anybody worth their salt shouldn't either. Truck on. Get smart not stupid. I am truly amazed at the techincal detail and breadth of science I have come upon in this adventure. If we keep following the attitudes of the past we won't make any discoveries for the future. 8)
Keep your eyes and your minds open to change. Now quickly, back to the bench I go.
--giantkiller. OMG if a person goes faster than 20 miles per hour they will die!
There is no dilema, but only our ignorance to conquer.
Press on...
not signed.
A little tale of the inquesitive boy. At a young age I had a thirst to see, feel, witness, and do all that I could. I was nicked the inventer of the family. Especially things electric/electronic in nature. I remember when I got hands on the operations manuals for the Eniac, OH SHIT just dated myself. Totally facinated by it. Was also facinated by that small round thing in my neighbors shed that had two wires (green and yellow I think) out of one end. Put a couple of them in my back pocket and then forgot they were there. My dad got home that day and couldn't forget them. Our neighbor was a well driller. The were electric blasting caps. I was given a demo on what they can do by him. Scared the hell out of me. Didn't sway me one bit tho, still went on to persue things a lot worse.
Morel of the story, this thing may well be really dangerous. Thats why laws are in effect to set safety standards for things manufactured so as not to pose a risk to its user. Prototypes are always very dangerous as its in the testing phase and guards are not in place most of the time. Why I have magnet inside my wall. It was lost at around 3000rpm and could have been really bad if it hit me in the head.
The point here is the system hates change but it will come reguardless. Just like the mp3 boom. Had the record companies of got on board by being broad minded, they would be reaping the profits instead of the upstarts. It was an unstoppable Tsumani in nature and now is main stream.
This TPU or a all magnetic motor or a bedini or a yada yada yada will be the next thing. And yup, they will fight it digging and clawing all the way. When they get left in the wake, they have no other thing to do than get on board and ride it.
A friend of mine by the name of Mike Korpi years ago made an e-bike to ride around at the race track. He is still in a web page on line.
The change is in the air and on the way.
thaelin
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