I got really stoned and went to bed thinking about how to make my own electric car.
I woke up with this idea...
I will use a lawnmower to explain my idea.
remove the cylinder head from your lawnmower and epoxy a really strong magnet to the top of the piston, we'll call this the static magnet. Then make an electromagnet about the size of a soda can. mount this electromagnet onto the cylinder head so there is a very small space between the magnet and the surface of the electromagnet at top dead center. the spark plug wire is connected to the electromagnet so it becomes an opposing force to the static magnet. i.e. with a north up magnet the electromagnet will produce a north down force. So now when the piston passes top dead center the electromagnet will pulse from the spark plug wire and push the piston down and around. With a lawnmower we have what is called a wasted spark, but with this system both spark pulses are used.
I am looking for an old lawnmower to test this idea on. If anyone has any input I would appreciate it.
Roland A. Duby
www.bigfatpothead.com
Yeah I see man. The magnet on the piston is repulsed when the spark plug pulse energizes the electromagnet where the cylinder head should be. I got and old Briggs and Straton 3.5 horsepower 1 banger we can use. I'm in Texas. Where are you? Actually I think it would help to use the flyback coil (magneto) which was used for the ignition to energize the electromagnet so that we hit the coil with like 10,000 volts. That way we get a really hard, fast pulse of energy out of the electromagnet. Really knock that piston down. If I am not mistaken we won't even need to change the timing of the ignition.
That idea is totally baked. Ding! It's done...
Cool,
The only thing I forgot to mention was speed control, and that could be done by a
POTentiometer in line with the electromagnet.
imagine having that briggs and stratton turning a 5KW generator, FOR FREE
I am in KY presently. Texas is very close, on the internet. Do you have a camera?
I am still looking in the alleys for a discarded lawnmower.
I figger if this works I will buy a generator and hook it up to my house.
TO HELL WITH THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
It could also be used to generate the electricity to power a conventional electric car motor.
Also I checked the output on a car ignition coil, it was over 40,000 volts, that should make a heck of a electromagnetic field, does anyone know any more detail on how to make electromagnets more powerful, is it more or less windings.
Well, seems like you have a nice pipe dream going on there. I don't want you to be disappointed with the results. Voltage alone is not going to solve your problem. Static electricity is 8 to 10 thousand volts, but almost no current. So it doesn't do much work. You should go reevaluate the concept of power.
I had often toyed with the idea of using one of those small gas engine generators with HHO, or browns gas to try an generate power with no fossil fuel. You have seen the big ad on the front page of the overunity web site. Unfortunately, just about all avenues to free energy are costly, ironic huh... It's not an established science yet. The cost of research is high. The cost of raw materials is high. I am working on a Soft Particle Reactor, it's not even close to running yet, and I have spent close to $100 on raw materials, plus invested weeks of time in research, drawing plans, designing circuits, taking notes, and documenting results.
So, for me it's the weekend, and I'm actually going to take a weekend this time.
Looks like I'm gonna be totally baked...
Blessed Be Brother...
I have already built and am using a hydrogen oxygen
electrolyzer.
see my website
www.bigfatpothead.com
my car runs on water
now I want a car that runs on nothing....
I know it is possible, with technology like the Perendev motor.
I know we don't NEED gasoline
I know our friends and family don't have to die in a war for oil.
I know this and I want to do something about it!
your car runs on water alone.. or is there a mix of fuel/gasoline as well ?.
I'm watching the video now. So you are generating a pulse train with a couple of timers. Amplifying it with a power transistor and then using the amplified pulse train to run the electrolyzer? I am curious about what the power generated by the engine is like on only HHO. Does it produce as much power as gasoline? Also what is the volumetric efficiency of the electrolyzer. Do you need a large volume of HHO, or is the engine taking mostly air and a small amount of HHO?
Dude, I have been preaching this for decades. The space shuttle goes 18,000 MPH on basically water. I know you can understand the stupefied looks I get when I try to explain this stuff to a "college boy" stuffed white shirt.
What you have done in your spare time, national laboratories couldn't do with billion dollar grants.
The magnet piston, electromagnet thing might not go like you want it to.
Why not use a big electric motor and FE/OU device like my Soft Particle
Reactor.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4255.0/topicseen.html
This is my baby. I crack electricity out of soft particles.
I LOVE your website. I may need to jump in my wife's 4X4 and come visit you.
Ever go drag racing? I have been to the Memphis motor speedway for the
Nostalgia drag races. In fact that would be a great place to test the potential of
HHO, especially if we can generate more power than gas. I have often thought
about making an electric dragster also, like the Tesla Roadster, except less
European.
Blessed Be Brother
Godspeed!
Quote from: bigfatpothead on March 15, 2008, 04:19:53 AM
Cool,
The only thing I forgot to mention was speed control, and that could be done by a
POTentiometer in line with the electromagnet.
imagine having that briggs and stratton turning a 5KW generator, FOR FREE
I am in KY presently. Texas is very close, on the internet. Do you have a camera?
I am still looking in the alleys for a discarded lawnmower.
I figger if this works I will buy a generator and hook it up to my house.
TO HELL WITH THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
It could also be used to generate the electricity to power a conventional electric car motor.
Also I checked the output on a car ignition coil, it was over 40,000 volts, that should make a heck of a electromagnetic field, does anyone know any more detail on how to make electromagnets more powerful, is it more or less windings.
The 2 main problems I see are timing and power
The current ignition system has high voltage ........but VERY little power
In a internal combustion engine the spark ignites the fuel air mix just after top dead center.
At this time the ignition system is done. Untill the next cycle.
The burning fuel expands as it burns pushing the piston down .
The piston is relativly heavy........it takes time to get it moving.
Moving a piston with an ignition spark is kind of like trying to move a car by hitting it with a baseball bat .
I am not saying that your idea will not work .........it is just not quite as easy as it sounds .
I would try something like building a BIG coil .......and hitting the coil with the ignition pulse ...........then trying to drive the motor with flyback and resonance
In theory a properly timed pulse from the ignition coil each cycle might be enough to kick a large coil into resonance
gary
Yeah,
Gasoline has an incredible power density. Trying to do that with an electromagnet is going to be difficult, but not impossible. Were going after nirtomethane next...
:D Godspeed
Quote from: z.monkey on March 15, 2008, 10:12:52 AM
Yeah,
Gasoline has an incredible power density. Trying to do that with an electromagnet is going to be difficult, but not impossible. Were going after nirtomethane next...
:D Godspeed
Zmonkey
I like your attitude :)
I have thought about it a little
It may seem kind of strange to use the current ignition system to drive large coil .
I think that this is the key to making it work .
As far as I know Tesla first observed radient energy when he was watching large DC powerlines being switched on.
There were blue sparks around the wires for a fraction of a second .
In my opinion radient energy requires BOTH short time periods AND high voltage.
In my opinion most people here forget the high voltage and just go for frequency .
It is my opinion that on the TPU thread SM recomended tubes because they run at higher voltages .
By driving a large coil with a high voltage pulse you would be creating a dipole of thousands of volts WITHIN the coil
All that you would be asking of resonance is to fill in the current
gary
Maybe I could use an AC inverter and convert that to DC and charge a large capacitor then use the cars spark plug wire to trigger the huge capacitor to fire the electromagnet? it would require a seperate large capacitor for each cylinder.
I am fairly certain this will work I just need to find out more about winding magnets...
anyone got any good links for winding magnets and determining the size of the magnetic field in an electromagnet?
Is there software for this? Electromagnet software,,, I guess I should search google for that.
Hi BigFatPotHead,
About your "totally baked idea": sounds creative, IMHO.
A bit off topic: about Dave Lawton's circuit
Thanks for your vids (on http://www.bigfatpothead.com/ (http://www.bigfatpothead.com/)) and also for sharing. Obviously, your (Meyer)/Lawton's circuit is doing very well.
My own Lawton's circuit is more nice-looking than the one on the video, unfortunately it does not work as expected! I just got very little bubbles...: :-\ So, I (temporarily) gave up.
Now, thanks to (the sound of) your vids and an AM radio, I will be able to test it again more seriously and precisely.
Few questions please:
How many amps your circuit is drawing from the bat?
Are you using the first d14.pdf file (10th June 2006) or the updated one (2nd June 2007, with 2 additional coils (100 turns 22 swg on 3/8"" ferrite rod.))?
Best
PS:
The 2 .pdf files can be downloaded at:
http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf)
http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf)
anyone got any good links for winding magnets and determining the size of the magnetic field in an electromagnet?
Is there software for this? Electromagnet software,,, I guess I should search google for that.
Hi,
There some useful discussion on electromagnets here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3799.0.html
Hi Gyulasun,
May I suggest you this very book:
"Solenoids Electro-Magnets and Electro-Magnetic Windings" by Charles Underhill . 1914... Reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
http://www.amazon.com/Solenoids-Electro-Magnets-Electro-Magnetic-Windings-Underhill/dp/155918096X (http://www.amazon.com/Solenoids-Electro-Magnets-Electro-Magnetic-Windings-Underhill/dp/155918096X) (for example). About $16.
I ordered (and received) this book a couple of month ago. It is full of nice formulas, abacus, diagrams, pictures, tables etc.. As I'm not a scientist, I must confess that I have not fully read this book.
Best
My lawton circuit is drawing less than 5 amps.
I used the original dave circuit ,
I was able to boost my car from 28 mpg to 45 mpg.
I was able to listen to the circuit and hear the pulses getting faster, the bubbles take a few seconds to catch up to the sound so go slow.
Quote from: NerzhDishual on March 15, 2008, 05:28:28 PM
Hi BigFatPotHead,
About your "totally baked idea": sounds creative, IMHO.
A bit off topic: about Dave Lawton's circuit
Thanks for your vids (on http://www.bigfatpothead.com/ (http://www.bigfatpothead.com/)) and also for sharing. Obviously, your (Meyer)/Lawton's circuit is doing very well.
My own Lawton's circuit is more nice-looking than the one on the video, unfortunately it does not work as expected! I just got very little bubbles...: :-\ So, I (temporarily) gave up.
Now, thanks to (the sound of) your vids and an AM radio, I will be able to test it again more seriously and precisely.
Few questions please:
How many amps your circuit is drawing from the bat?
Are you using the first d14.pdf file (10th June 2006) or the updated one (2nd June 2007, with 2 additional coils (100 turns 22 swg on 3/8"" ferrite rod.))?
Best
PS:
The 2 .pdf files can be downloaded at:
http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf)
http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_Dave_Lawton_Circuit.pdf)
Hi BigFatPotHead,
Thanks for your reply.
28 * 1.61 =/=45. Sounds very good!
And, BTW, not too good to be true, IMHO, as a relative of mine is claiming more but with a much more elaborated (and expensive) device.
http://freenrg.info/UTOPIATECH/PROCES_VERBAL_2.pdf
(Process-server's affidavit in French).
Best
I am trying to find the stainless steel to build an electrolyzer big enough to run a 4 cylinder car, if not comepletely, then enough to where I am getting 80 MPG or better.
Howdy All,
About the electromagnetic reciprocating engine had you thought about a rail gun driver?
http://www.amazing1.com/electric-guns.htm
With a rail gun driver you wouldn't need to glue an electromagnet to the top of the cylinder. The rail gun will push any kind of ferrous metal. You would have to generate a high voltage and store it it high voltage caps. Then when the piston reaches the break over point you trigger a pulse. Bam! that hits the piston, and your high voltage generator recharges the high voltage caps in anticipation of the next break over point. You probably would not get very get many RPM's out of the motor to start, but further experimenting could evolve a system which actually begins to compete with gas motors. He he he,,,,
Blessed Be Brothers...
I would like to keep this thread about my magnetic motor idea, and save the hho talk for it's related forum
thanks
....
OK on the HHO stuff. did you see the part about the rail gun driver?
FatBird, fastening a magnet to a piston is not a hard thing to do nor is balancing it. As far as clearance, it depends on the motor and the placement of the magnet and it can still be done regardless if it is a zero clearance design or not.
Thanks for the observations, but you have missed some important points.
1. there is no compression, the cylinder head is gone.
2. The magnet can be epoxyed to the piston.
3. we do away with thing like : Oil pump, water pump, and fuel.
4. the electromagnetic will always be pushing the static magnet away.
5 as far as magnet strength, that is my only setback, with the info on the magnetic rail gun, I have a renewed vigor on the fact that it will work.
I need to find out how to wind a magnet that will have the largest field when energized.
Quote from: FatBird on March 16, 2008, 04:54:08 PM
Sorry, but I see 5 problems.
1. How are you going to fasten the magnet to the aluminum piston? If you say a bolt, then how can you drill a hole in the magnet? Magnets are extremely hard material. If you try to glue it on, it will fall off because of the stresses occuring during piston reversals.
2. How are you going to seal the bolt hole in the piston so high pressure gasses don't slip through the bolt hole?
3. If you do fasten a magnet to the piston, now you have a balance problem, as the magnet has changed the piston weight. The motor will bounce up & down because it is out of balance.
4. By making room for the magnet height between the magnet & the cylinder head, you are changing the compression ratio from the factory 9:1 to a low of, about, 4:1. This will GREATLY reduce the power so much the engine will probably barely run.
5. Even though the magneto has high voltage output, the current is extremely low. It is so low, that it will not energize an electromagnet, especially one strong enough to pull up - push down the magnet on the piston.
Please excuse me for my negative reply, but I want to save you a lot of time & trouble. It is a novel idea, but I am sorry that it won't work. Please keep sharing your ideas though.
.
Howdy,
In a previous issue of Popular Science there was an article which said that the Navy has plans to propel artillery shells with rail guns. They said the rail guns could propel an artillery shell like 10 miles. Is that enough power?
;D
10 miles, that's good
Your still going to need a oil pump to lubricate the crankshaft, and the connecting rods to the pistons. The Navy rail guns will probably have to charge for a considerable amount of time to achieve that distance. But to propel a piston will take less power, so you can fire it more often. You also have to take into account the work that you want to do with the motor. The piston driver will have to provide that power also. Theoretically you can fire the cylinder every time the piston comes up to the break over position, so this motor will act like a 2 cycle internal combustion engine and fires every time the piston comes up, instead of every other time like a 4 cycle engine.
The high voltage power supply will probably require a lot of current because it will be firing the piston driver very frequently, depending on the RPMs you want to achieve. An automotive deep cycle battery can provide a lot of current , but you will need a way to recharge it quickly. You could use regenerative braking to charge the batteries when you are slowing down. It would be helpful to incorporate some sort of FE/OU device to provide the heavy currents that you'll need to keep the battery charged. This way you could draw energy from the environment or subspace (ether), and spare the motor the load of an alternator. That way you can apply the power to the pavement. Vrrrrrmmmmm.....
Burn rubber, baby!
I was planning on recharging the batteries with the CEMF
like in a bedini circuit.
I just heard someone pitch MY totally baked idea on the coast to coast am radio show.
probably should have kept it to myself
Drawbacks of a public forum. Can he get it to work? I dunno...
That's a pretty big concept, I think it will take more than one guy to get it to work.
This months issue of Nuts and Volts magazine has a electromagnetic coil launcher as a project. This is basically a mini rail gun. They provide the basics, complete with schematic and theory. The coil they make is not exotic, basically just a coil. This is a good starting point. After you play with the toy rail gun for while it will help you to develop the real thing...
Thanks monkey, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Z_monkey, would you be able to scan the article for me, I cannot find the magazine and they don't have the article online?
Thanks in Advance
Roland A. Duby
http://www.marijuanaman.com
lol I like your nom de plume there ;D
Howdy,
Yeah I can scan the article and send it to you, but I can't post it on the forum. Stefan has imposed a 50K limit on individual attachments to the forum. A scanned magazine page will not fit in that space. I'll see if I can find some good information on line and post the linx.
OK, Mo Later...
awesome
I can get huge emails at
me@marijuanaman.com
dude you rock
Well, here are a few linx that I have found on ye ole extranet.
http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/science/017/index.html
http://www.amazing1.com/electric-guns.htm
http://www.amazing1.com/high-energy-pulser-chargers.htm
http://www.powerlabs.org/railgun2.htm
http://tesladownunder.com/Rail_gun.htm
http://www.rollette.com/railgun/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244593,00.html
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004armaments/DayII/SessionI/01_Cilli_EM_Gun.pdf
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2001summit/fair.pdf
I can imagine that there are quite a few graduate level programs at our nations
most prestigious universities that have spent billions developing these devices.
I think that we can bring this down to a more reasonable level. I think that
this technology has more practicable uses than shooting bullets. Maybe this
will inspire some people also...
Blessed Be Brothers...
I'm sending the whole march issue to you.
this project is gona be sweet ;D
the extranet,
I always wondered what the "other " internet was called???
haha
thanks
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Dude,
Is that you or some idea thief?
I guess my reactor is going to wind up on Ebay before I finish it...
Totally...