Former gov Jessie Ventura spoke strongly in support of revolution on the Colbert Report promoting his book, 'Don't Start The Revolution Without Me'...at one point referring to heroic revolutionary figure Che Guevera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXODvuDJgGo
While I am in total agreement with the need for radical change (I'm not blind)...I would have to ask Jessie where was his voice after the 9/11 staged attacks ?
Ventura is not a stupid man...he had to know it was an inside job from day one...just by watching the TV many of us knew it was an inside job on hour one - when restricted air space in Washington was left unguarded while "something" hit the Pentagon. No special mental abilities were required to process that information.
Any doubts were removed after seeing Bush killing 15 minutes of time in a Texas classroom, after receiving word that "america was under attack"...and looking like the last guy to be searched in a drug bust while he was doing it.
Until he offers an explanation for his silence on 9/11, he will appear to some as self motivated.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 10, 2008, 04:29:17 PM
No special mental abilities were required to process that information.
Aside from the ability to suspend all common sense and turn into a gibbering moron.
utilitarian, check this out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1263677258215075609&hl=en-GB
Quote from: utilitarian on April 10, 2008, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 10, 2008, 04:29:17 PM
No special mental abilities were required to process that information.
Aside from the ability to suspend all common sense and turn into a gibbering moron.
Sorry, English is not my first language. :P
Are you suggesting that 911 was actually
not an inside job and that considering this possibility could deserve being called a poppycocking / balderdashing dimwit without any ordinary perception ???
Ben mon cochon!
I really must get around to doing more extensive self analysis...although I personally don't like engaging in it, for some odd reason I always get quite a chuckle when it gets down to desperate baiting and outlandish rants.
Plus there are always a few who come up with some imaginative ways of pointing all that out to the drooler.
Regards...
Quote from: NerzhDishual on April 10, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: utilitarian on April 10, 2008, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 10, 2008, 04:29:17 PM
No special mental abilities were required to process that information.
Aside from the ability to suspend all common sense and turn into a gibbering moron.
Sorry, English is not my first language. :P
Are you suggesting that 911 was actually not an inside job and that considering this possibility could deserve being called a poppycocking / balderdashing dimwit without any ordinary perception ???
Ben mon cochon!
No need to apologize. Your English is better than my French. No, I do not believe the U.S. Government intentionally murdered its own people. While your view may be the majority opinion on this board, it is not the majority opinion where it counts, you know, the country where this actually happened.
Before you guys lay into me for this, the first thing I will say is that if you are not from the U.S., I frankly do not care what you think about this subject. If you want to believe that Bush hired space aliens to discombobulate the twin towers with vulcan death rays, you may happily take this theory to your grave with no objection from me. You can post it all over the internets and aside from a potshot, I will not try to debate the matter, because simply, you do not have standing to argue this with an American, to whom the tragedy actually happened.
But please do not get me wrong. I respect most other ideas, whether they come from Americans or not, but with matters that primarily pertain to our nation, I really do not care what foreigners think. It is easy for you guys to call our government a bunch of murderers, and it is no insult to you, because it is not your government. As an analogy, if I were to criticize the French president for trading in his wife for a supermodel (which, to be clear, I do not!), and argue how that cheapens the French presidency, you would be well within your right to tell me to get bent. (This assumes you are French and not a French Canadian.)
Furthermore, at this point, I am convinced that a good majority of the "truthers" who are non-americans are simply predisposed to believe the inside job theory because it is just one more way to slam Bush, whom they hate with a passion. So they abandon some critical thinking in the process, and end up arguing the side they want to believe in, regardless of how the evidence actually falls.
Anyway, the inside job theory has been publicly argued and dismissed here in the States more times than I know. The bottom line is the evidence does not add up. I know it is hard to believe, when you surround yourself with "alternative theory to everything" people, but trust me, there is quite a bit of evidence on the other side of this argument. That is the thing about the Internet, is that you can surround yourself with like a tiny portion of the population, and that tiny portion believes the same crazy shit that you do, and you fall into groupthink.
But anyway, I am rambling, and I am going to convince no one here. I suppose for illustration I should just take an absurd position like the entire WTC complex was a holograph from the beginning and never really existed to begin with, and everyone who "supposedly" ever worked there was a fictitious person, and just see if anyone salutes that flag.
OK, I have to get back to work now. Hope I did not offend.
We all love and hate pollitcal figures...
Conspiricy theorists love political figures... Espicially the ones displayed on there greenbacks when they come up with a money making theory!
Who Rah!
I am an American, I have grown up around politics, and 9/11 was obviously an intelligence operation carried out as a pretext, an excuse to establish an ubiquitous national security apparatus. I say this upon careful evaluation of the evidence. I do not care about Bush either way, he is simply a pawn.
As I've said before, look around you . . . there is a financial crisis, world food shortage, and growing police state. You must always ask yourself, 'que bono'? ('who benefits?')
Quote from: Feynman on April 10, 2008, 11:34:29 PM
I am an American, I have grown up around politics, and 9/11 was obviously an intelligence operation carried out as a pretext, an excuse to establish an ubiquitous national security apparatus. I say this upon careful evaluation of the evidence. I do not care about Bush either way, he is simply a pawn.
As I've said before, look around you . . . there is a financial crisis, world food shortage, and growing police state. You must always ask yourself, 'que bono'? ('who benefits?')
Asking "who benefits" is putting the cart before the horse. Richard Feynman would be very disappointed with your logic. Have you read his account of the Challenger disaster investigation? He was a man of methodical thought, not jumping to conclusions. (As an aside, Feynman was also an outspoken critic of all perpetual motion/free energy devices. Perhaps you have read his account where he was witness to an exploding "perpetual motion" engine.)
With every major event, someone benefits. Even an act of nature, like hurricane Katrina, benefited some people, such as the construction contractors.
hmmmmmmm, there is an event , then there is a reaction, keep this in mind and youll see how it relates to EVERYthing that goes on, for EG: , some bad chit goes down(the event) , then! the gov gets more powers and takes away more of your freedom and rights(wether you like it or not) and this is the REACTION!!,the gov gets bigger and more restrictive , enjoy ( hopefully this will help you see who gets something out of this crap they feed us).
oh and then not long after the event you get slimeballs who come out of the wood work and are worryed about how they looked at the time and what they should have done and still dont even adress the questions there being asked! becasue there so damn vain ther trying to make sure thy look pretty during all this. ;D
edit . i added a full stop at then and fixed just one spelling mistake, i hope you feel better now :).
I've seen "original document copies" supposed stating exactly what you've said and I will not deny it as possible as far back as 2003... The goal is to outsource our farming to china.
I know where are tax money goes and where the rich people of the world live on the island and really control stuff....
Rothschild, Rocafeller, ... To name two one currently in the news about the led lawsuits.
The Illuminati, the free masons the whole nine yards I've read into a lot of it myself.
Does the code 1040 mean anything I too am american...
There is a lot that we dont know and I also believe in the possibility of ET and lots of other things.
I am a firm believer in tons of government coverups how else do you control an angry mob of people?
White lies, betrayl, and so on is a must it seems...
Lots of conspiricies are legitamate arguments but not 100% proof instead it is 100% speculation based on certian facts!
Whos right whos wrong will we ever know the truth one way or another its a vicious circle...
I wouldn't doubt if the government is behind identity theft to regain some of the losses it expirences from the war.
There have been so many victims of ID theft, so many that I know personally and in each case the perpatrators were
never caught never persacuted and the cops always say the same thing we will never catch them cause they are
smart. Then they give you a story that this stuff is orginating from canada and they will not be caught ...
Redicoulous I do not understand how the US can persacute people for piracy against multibillionares cause someone
downloaded a song, movie, or whatever electronically usually an item under 20.00 then turns around and says guess
what the bank robbery was done electronically and most likely overseas so we cannot do a damn thing for you so you
are out the 8000.00 dollars. (avg amount for an identity theft victim) Electronic bank robbery is the way to go you get
a fine less then stealing music and about the same amount of prison time!!! And if you are out of country you are even
better yet.
Yes I know this is a crazy conspiracy but the US however is in debt mainly to financial backers...
Who loses money if someones credit card is used? The same financial backers that back the US most likely guess.
Banks do not secure your money if your identity is assumed stolen they assume you willingly gave out information.
And if you shop on the internet you did it to yourself they tell you!
Forget this crazy conspiracy I'm just blurting but man it is possible... Identity is stolen every 4 seconds in the US!!!
That means that data breaches are more common then the public is allowed knowladge to! In fact I believe many
companies cover up data breaches so investors do not worry... Another conspiricy but I believe that can be easily
proved.
All that I will tell you is the Politicians Politic
And Conspirators Conspire
Call me a fence post rider but unless I see concrete proof either way I will remain neutral in my beliefs.
And again my conspiricay theory I do not even believe I am only saying it is a possible.
But without a doubt I do believe a lot is being done purposely to take away our constitutional rights! Espicially privacy in any way shape or form.
Privacy is no longer a right it is a privaladge!
Quote from: b0rg13 on April 10, 2008, 11:52:40 PM
oh and then not long after the event you get slimeballs who come out of the wood work and are worryed about how they looked at the time and what they should have done and still dont even adress the questions there being asked! becasue to so damn vain ther trying to make sure thy look pretty during all this ;D
Take a breath, take your time, ok?
your completly right i just blurt it all out and hit send , ok ? feel better now ?.
To continually rehash what most now agree was a staged attack on 9/11 is pointless.
The focus of this thread is to call attention to a reality...that being that a former US State Governor, who is also a former Marine, is actually calling for a revolution to overthrow the government of his own country.
To most this would be considered a big wake up call...but the sheer magnitude of this call to arms seems to be lost on some.
Never mind what politicians say...instead just watch what they do...and let your common sense will tell you what is the truth and what is not..
I think more than box cutters will be needed to pull off this coup though.
Regards...
I don't normally like to post links, because they often do not convince, but the following should put a rest to all this:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/9_11_conspiracy_theories (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/9_11_conspiracy_theories)
key quote:
"Why would they kill 3000 of their own infidels."
Once again...the focus of this thread is on the concept/need for an overthrow of not just the US government, but all world leaders who became accessories to mass murder, from 9/11 to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
I'm afraid if we wait much longer it will be too late to turn things around.
I believe any plan would have to be done through an 'underground' means.
Things have gotten this way in secret, and likely will have to be undone in secret also.
Regards...
Einstein said: "You cannot solve a problem with the same thinking that caused the problem?
What do you think he meant?
1. To give an advice about thinking flexibly.
2. To apologize for the misleading opportunities he created with his theories (sort of "I created this, you fix it").
3. All of the above.
How strong do you feel about the righteousness of your thinking?
And again, Einstein said:
?The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvellous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of the mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.?
Quote from: utilitarian on April 11, 2008, 11:15:06 AM
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key quote:
"Why would they kill 3000 of their own infidels."
key quote: ?The important thing is not to stop questioning."
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 11, 2008, 03:01:46 PM
Once again...the focus of this thread is on the concept/need for an overthrow of not just the US government, but all world leaders who became accessories to mass murder, from 9/11 to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
I'm afraid if we wait much longer it will be too late to turn things around.
I believe any plan would have to be done through an 'underground' means.
Things have gotten this way in secret, and likely will have to be undone in secret also.
Regards...
CaptZ
I really question if it is possable to do anything in secret .
Have you heard about a computer program named carnivor ?
It is designed to be able to capture ANY information on the net in real time ..............and no one will ever know .
Bush got clearence to turn it on just after 911
Bush also got authroisation to tap into any communication in order to build a database of how terrorists communicate ............or so they said .
I understand that the time authorized for carnivor has passed .
In theory .........it is turned off . ...............but where is it ? Who is capable of making sure it is off?
It seems to me that if you were a member of a group that thought it was above the law ..... you would not shut carivor off ........ you would simply move it to a more secure server .
The information carnivor could provide could be priceless ..........is there any reason to believe that some groups are not profiting from it?
gary
Quote from: barbosi on April 11, 2008, 03:27:32 PM
Einstein said: "You cannot solve a problem with the same thinking that caused the problem?
What do you think he meant?
1. To give an advice about thinking flexibly.
2. To apologize for the misleading opportunities he created with his theories (sort of "I created this, you fix it").
3. All of the above.
How strong do you feel about the righteousness of your thinking?
And again, Einstein said:
?The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvellous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of the mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.?
Quote from: utilitarian on April 11, 2008, 11:15:06 AM
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key quote:
"Why would they kill 3000 of their own infidels."
key quote: ?The important thing is not to stop questioning."
You realize I quoted the Onion, right?
Gary, I have not heard of 'Carnivore'...it sounds similar to 'Eschelon'...which extracts and records information on all communications containing key words.
They've been using that system for years.
Wasn't Nathan Stubblefield carrying on wireless private person to person phone calls through the ground with his system ?
I think if we're going to be starting up any revolutions, we'll have to fire up Nate's old phone units first. :)
Wouldn't it be a great Hollywood ending if a north american revolution broke out (Canada needs 1 2)...and an army of Muslims came over to save the day ? :)
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 11, 2008, 05:05:13 PM
Gary, I have not heard of 'Carnivore'...it sounds similar to 'Eschelon'...which extracts and records information on all communications containing key words.
They've been using that system for years.
Wasn't Nathan Stubblefield carrying on wireless private person to person phone calls through the ground with his system ?
I think if we're going to be starting up any revolutions, we'll have to fire up Nate's old phone units first. :)
Wouldn't it be a great Hollywood ending if a north american revolution broke out (Canada needs 1 2)...and an army of Muslims came over to save the day ? :)
Regards...
Capt Z
I don't know how private stubblefields phones were ..........so far I havn't seen anything that looks like it could provide privacy.
I just hope that when we get it figured out and fire it up we don't get a busy signal
:)
gary
One thing I know...if somebody did figure out how NS did it, the powers that be would never figure it out...so they would be at a distinct disadvantage.
If they had any smarts they would have had us all in concentration camps by now...aren't greed and intelligence usually found at different ends of the gene pool ?
Regards...
oh ! is there going to be a pool at the camp ?!! /claps hands!. :o
Utilitarian, go take your bullshit some where else. I'm tired of hearing your tax loving ass posting idiotic, I love socialist America crap.
Warrantless wire tapping is still going on...
Carnivore is still running ... Through the NSA or whatever the group with the american flag elephant...
This is proven if you take the time to do some research though there are rules but the rules to amount to nothing!
We could be considered terrorists simply because we seek a form of free easily produceable energy!!!
Its life know that everything you say will be monitored and everything you do can be recorded if there is no reason for the monitoring one will simply be made up...
The latest and greatest attempt to persue illegal file sharing was a big headline which was quickly retracted...
"Piracy is the new thing being used to fund terrorists."
Oh boy did they hit a brown note with that headline if you didnt hear that you musta been in a cave.
Maybe the political figures dont understand people aint interested in piracy but another simple word exactly like it....
Piracy switch the "i" and the "r" around and add a "v" after the "i" and what do you have?
Privacy a constitutional right! Not just something for privaladged people...
Privacy so they can share what they see fit as art they would like to show there friends so they can understand why they like it or what is so interesting about it without having to pay 20.00 to say hey listen to this this is a good song great lyrics makes since.
Privacy so they can do these things in an open fashion without having to worry about there life being ruined from a lifetime debt due to a lawsuit for a single sharing of information!
The benifits from these sharings even filter through to the companies word of mouth we all know is the best advertisment ever.
Its not done to intentionally rip off big business or artists of there work it is exactly the opposite admiration of there work by creating a mockery which can be shown easily to others.
These people are not terroists they pay uber big dollars to connect to this huge social network every month!
99% of these people sharing files make nothing at all as it is not there motive to raise money. They make there money by grinding it out for 1/3 of there lifetime (thats including hours spent sleeping) making other people rich while they scrape by and make the best of life and support a family trying all the while to raise there children with the same morals that were instilled in them as children. If this is terrorisim the everyone I know is a terrorist!
Anyhow I know a little off the beaten path but... Everyone grows tired of feeling ashamed more and more each day a more rules are instilled the more shame and burden is placed on an individual and it is contagious effecting the lifes of individuals as well as the others around them.
Don't start an effort or movement to overthrow government we need it it just needs to be kept in check as well....
Join places like EFF.org and donate to them I have... It was my way of contributing in action form to some of the issues with the govt...
a random rant by me, not directed at any one in particular.
..bring on the plastic prison, no need to hide bullshit, lets put it in public view like it should be, are there double standards ?, a black man drives drunk for say the 2nd time and gets what ? 2 years prison no questions asked?, yet a celeb gets caught for the 10th time or more and gets a month but is out 2 days later, hmmmmmm, whats up with that? if you have money or fame the rules change ?, in our country a law was past that if you smack/strike a child boom your in court and taken to jail, then less then a week later one politition punches another one to the ground and nothing is done, hmmmmmmm( it takes a member of the public to go to the police and press charges), weird crap huh ?, seems to be a lot of this rule is for you but not me going on latly, not long ago our treason law was also changed, hmmmmm, all of a sudden our public assests are being sold off to other countrys around the world, i didnt get a cheq for any of it ? hmmmmmmmmm, long ago our power stations used to be public, but the gov decided it would be better if we sold them and then power prices would come down and blah blah ,... we used to get a bill of about $50 max every 2 months( and this was in winter), NOW we get a monthly bill, and the price is around $250average to $500 in some cases(during winter), it seems to me that if the gov or big biz can find a way to screw you they will,.
re: this call for a revolution, how many years late is it to do this ?, how many billions of $$$$ have been spent on better ways to kill people/war etc, do they the gov/military think a lil revolution is going to stop them?, more than likly just give them yet another excuse to play with there killing machines, im all for the people standing up and revolting but with all the new specail laws being past your now going to be considered a terroist and shot down like one, its a sham thats its going to be to late and probaly all ready is to late to do any thing about the real freaks, why are no mesures put in place to stop this crap right from the word go ?,becasue crooks are in control and the public is not.
Those who believe governments in their current form are going to make any noticeable change in response to any small groups are doomed to extinction...much like the endangered red white and blue voter - who's usual habitat and nesting grounds can be found in the dry areas of thought, usually located in close proximity to the common television set.
They habitually congregate once every 4 years...persistently trying to re-hatch the same fruit basket full of red and blue hard boiled eggs. :)
Regards...
the people have all power and have noidea and dont know it , by the time they do and stand up they will be targeted as the terroists and shot down just as fast as they stand up.
....how to get past the power cartels ?....teach each other how to generate our own power in our back yards( lol yeah right to many jackass want money,that ends that idea). you the people can take the wind out of the power cartels your selves, yup you.
....how to get away from debt and intrest ?, take what money you have out of the gov backed banks and put them in a new pubic bank system that has no interst, if you get a loan or somthing charge a 30min paper trail fee, not this intrest thing that drags out for ever.( can this happen ? yes it can!, will it?, prolly not , people in general are to damn lazy and expect the gov will SAVE them, heres a news flash folks the gov will NEVER save you they will just tax you more and kill you slowly and laff in your face while they do it, enjoy., if you wanna get out of this situation you HAVE TO DO IT YOUR SELF!. ;D ). you the people can take the wind out of debt and banking your selves, it comes down to YOU.
if any of this upsets any one maybe its because its to close to the truth and now your finding out your a lazy so and so and expect to gov to save your stupid ass, yup i know the truth is hard to handle( its hard for me too,thats why im writing this crap and offering some answers). your all to used to it all being sugar coated and made into some kind of soap oprah so you can sit back with your pop corn and be entertained, the gov is about to take your pop corn too :P.
"they will just tax you more and kill you slowly and laff in your face while they do it, enjoy., if you wanna get out of this situation you HAVE TO DO IT YOUR SELF!. "
Its all due to conditioned institutionalized complacency borg...and that won't change quickly or easily.
The introduction of free energy would go a long way toward removing the power base of the ruling elite.
I just hope its a very simple device, easy for anyone to replicate...
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 11, 2008, 09:48:42 PM
"they will just tax you more and kill you slowly and laff in your face while they do it, enjoy., if you wanna get out of this situation you HAVE TO DO IT YOUR SELF!. "
Its all due to conditioned institutionalized complacency borg...and that won't change quickly or easily.
The introduction of free energy would go a long way toward removing the power base of the ruling elite.
I just hope its a very simple device, easy for anyone to replicate...
Regards...
hi Cap , while i know this is OU dot com and people are looking for FREE energy , i hate to say it but i think there are so many *close* or good devices that some or most people are missing the point and coule be self reliant right now and disconect from the grid, tho of course im only guessing im not sure yet, i have yet to some some testing on what ive been seeing that WORKS but then it seems to be dismissed simply because it not OU.
in its most simple and basic form i saw a video of a guy called john arrons hook up a pulse engine to a car gen/alt with a rubber band of all freakin things and ( its been a while since i saw this so im not %100 sure) he said this wont work but lets see then what i saw was the pusle engine spun into life and ran the car gen/alt with NO PROBLEM what so ever and then he promtly shut it off and changed the subject, but lets say, this is spectulation i really dont know, but lets say you have a pulse engine and it runs a car gen/alt and charges up say a bank of 6 to 12 or even 24 batteries, then you hook up your led lights and use te circut here posted in OU dot com to save power and use the water thrasher pump that heats water instantly so you have hot water on demand and not useing power 24/7 to have hot water when you might use it once or twice a day, then you plug in your(notsure if this is right i dont know the names of this stuff yet) inverters?/converters? /shrug for things like your tv, washing machine, computers, and so on, sure if you need extra power turn the mains pack on and paye the crooks, but your just better of to learn how to live on the power you produce and stick it to them and take the wind(being your cash) out of there sails, yes of course people are going to scream that this is not OU, well no chit,but ITS A WORKING SYSTEM that will save YOU money, here in new zealand there are many people who live inthe country who are off the mains just by useing solar alone, and even others who are running there cars on water alone,hmmmmm, basicly if we could teach each other to be self seficiant and take back control a lot of people might wake up and realise its not up to the gov to save us, its simple up to us as a person to learn and then do, and then share.
I believe there are many different ways to get to OU street borg...its not always as the crow flies...do you have any links or other info on John Arrons ?
I have many different ideas myself regarding energy production...the way my mind works, I just read up on as many other people's ideas as I can and let things roll around in my head until something surfaces.
The process is still ongoing...this place is a gold mine of concepts...I'm sure something will happen before too long on here.
Regards...
hes all over you tube.