First I will try to explain why I posted this topic...
I know that radio stations give out their signal as waves. But it don't seem to matter how many of us switch on our radios, the station strength still remains the same.
Now... I have read a bit about Nikola Tesla, and correct me if I'm wrong... I think his power emitting coil was supposed to work on the same principal.
Now what I was wondering... Would the same apply to waves in water ?.
What I mean is... Have a ball in the center of a pool of water, and pulse it up and down with a battery powered solenoid, a bit like a transducer.
Then have some wave powered generators around the edge, with cables going back to the solenoid battery to charge it up.
Would the size of the wave, be the same for all eight of the generators as it would for just one generator ?. Or would the wave be proportional to the amount of generators in the system ?.
This is my attempt at describing it graphically...
I will take that as no comment ???
Quote from: Bulbz on May 12, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
First I will try to explain why I posted this topic...
I know that radio stations give out their signal as waves. But it don't seem to matter how many of us switch on our radios, the station strength still remains the same.
Now... I have read a bit about Nikola Tesla, and correct me if I'm wrong... I think his power emitting coil was supposed to work on the same priciple.
Now what I was wondering... Would the same apply to waves in water ?.
What I mean is... Have a ball in the center of a pool of water, and pulse it up and down with a battery powered solenoid, a bit like a transducer.
Then have some wave powered generators around the edge, with cables going back to the solenoid battery to charge it up.
would the size of the wave, be the same for all eight of the generators as it would for just one generator ?. Or would the wave be proportional to the amount of generators in the system ?.
This is my attempt at describing it graphically...
Bulbz
Interesting idea .......but expensive to test .
If I was going to try this I would go with a doughnut shaped float roughly the size of your outer darkened ring
the float and the center " ball " would have to be placed very accurately .
If you make one wave with the ball ........it will take a specific time to reach the edge of the pool ........then it will bounce back .......and because the pool is round the waves will converge in the center .
resonance would not be easy to achieve ..........but it is possable
some power could be generated without resonance but the energy of the waves bouncing off the outside of the pool would interfear with the waves created by the ball ..... they would add in some places and subtract in others .
If I was really rich I think I would try this just to see how high I could get the waves to peak in the middle ...... I would put the ball in the bottom of the pool
Come to think ab out it I wouldn't use a ball ........ I would have a pipe and a method to " flush " water though the pipe similar to how a toilet flushes
gary
Cool ;D...
So... In a nutshell... You're saying that it could be a valid concept ?. :D
Quote from: Bulbz on May 12, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
Cool ;D...
So... In a nutshell... You're saying that it could be a valid concept ?. :D
I think it has some possabilitys
I am not sure that it would be over unity ........ the doughnut shaped float would not reduce the resonance until you tried to take power out of the system ...... to take energy out of the system you would in effect be changing the relative speed of the float screwing up the resonance .
It would be a truly impressive way to explain resonance at a science center or someplace like that .
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on May 12, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
to take energy out of the system you would in effect be changing the relative speed of the float screwing up the resonance .
It would be a truly impressive way to explain resonance at a science center or someplace like that .
I just had a thought
if the float was right at the edge of the pool it would minimize the out of phase problems
The float would be thin and tall .......taller than the expected waves ......and float about half way under water
Sloshing over the top or up behind the float would reduce the resonance .
gary
Should work but conservation of energy will play here...
Think the heavier the wave generator the more power it will make but the bigger the wave it will need, and the bigger the wave pool for the wave to grow you need space, also the larger the plunger to create the wave so as you try to generate more and more power you will need to use more and more power...
Shouldnt be too expensive to test maybe a couple hundred bux and you could have your answer purchase a kids pool and make some home made wave generators heck maybe even cheaper if you do it right....
The trick I think to energy generation is not to generate from one single source though ;)
For instance they have tons of off shore wind turbines now if they were smart they would strap some wave generators to these and use a few underwater turbines mounted to it and use a slip ringe and make the blades and tower covered in solar paneling ;)
This is the trick this is where they go wrong you can occupy nearly the same space allotment and still generate excess power cause a boat aint going to go within so many feet of this turbine to begin with .
I hope you test this out though it may prove more fruitful then anyone could imagine try small scale... see wht happens it may be OU while many would say its not possible you do not truely know till you try the fruits come from labor after the thought.
Do not give up your idea cause someone else says something if you operate the plunger off of solar or mabe make the pluger out of a sterling engine then you have nothing to worry about as far as power all power made is free ;)
Think in dual application of generation and you will not go wrong.
but in your case I would definately test your theory!
-infringer-
Quote from: infringer on May 12, 2008, 09:41:57 PM
Should work but conservation of energy will play here...
Think the heavier the wave generator the more power it will make but the bigger the wave it will need, and the bigger the wave pool for the wave to grow you need space, also the larger the plunger to create the wave so as you try to generate more and more power you will need to use more and more power...
Shouldnt be too expensive to test maybe a couple hundred bux and you could have your answer purchase a kids pool and make some home made wave generators heck maybe even cheaper if you do it right....
The trick I think to energy generation is not to generate from one single source though ;)
For instance they have tons of off shore wind turbines now if they were smart they would strap some wave generators to these and use a few underwater turbines mounted to it and use a slip ringe and make the blades and tower covered in solar paneling ;)
This is the trick this is where they go wrong you can occupy nearly the same space allotment and still generate excess power cause a boat aint going to go within so many feet of this turbine to begin with .
I hope you test this out though it may prove more fruitful then anyone could imagine try small scale... see wht happens it may be OU while many would say its not possible you do not truely know till you try the fruits come from labor after the thought.
Do not give up your idea cause someone else says something if you operate the plunger off of solar or mabe make the pluger out of a sterling engine then you have nothing to worry about as far as power all power made is free ;)
Think in dual application of generation and you will not go wrong.
but in your case I would definately test your theory!
-infringer-
Hmmm, yeah... I see...
I will definately explore the dual application technique some day ;).
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alot of places I think now are starting to research 'wave power' . good idea Bulbz. :)
Bulbz
I have been thinking that a small model a few ft across could be made of fiberglass
The bottom should be shaped like the bottom half of a bagel .
If you had square corners you would get alot of eddy currents .
ALL the water should slosh as one unit .
Here is something to think about
Imagine 2 floats in the slosh tank .
the 2 floats corispond roughly to the 2 outer light blue rings in your drawing .
Imagine 2 cylinders above the slosh tank
there would be rods extending up from each of the floats to the cylinders .
As you slosh the water in the tank ,........ the 2 rings are always about 90 degrees apart .
The rings move the cylinders .
You have a sterling engine with water as the crankshaft .
If you put magnets in the outer ring and wind wire around the slosh tank at the right place you have a simple generator to tap the power .
You should be able to power the sterling with any temperature difference that you can pipe to it
gary