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Hi all,
could this run my house if it was made bigger and use better materials?
did anyone buy a kit yet? if so any feed back?
thanks
peace
Well, it is working with Osmosis,
but it could be definately scaled up.
Dieter is already working on a bigger modell.
Stay tuned.
The paper version kit is a really nice scientific toy
and I can only recommend it.
Regards,Stefan.
Dieter / or anyone else who knows,
I went to check it out this morning. The website did not say the form it will appear if I download. Will I be buying a pdf?
I wanted to know first. ;)
thank you
Jeanna
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 19, 2008, 08:25:01 PM
Well, it is working with Osmosis,
but it could be definately scaled up.
...and it has been:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterwheel
Quote from: jeanna on May 19, 2008, 08:34:33 PM
Dieter / or anyone else who knows,
I went to check it out this morning. The website did not say the form it will appear if I download. Will I be buying a pdf?
I wanted to know first. ;)
thank you
Jeanna
I think it is in JPEG format.
So it is universally printable with all programs.
I will order myself one today and have a look.
It is really cheap,
only 10 US$ or 7 Euros.
It is a nice toy for your desktop
to make other people say:
WOW,what is this? !
;)
Quote from: Paul-R on May 20, 2008, 09:56:23 AM
...and it has been:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterwheel
No, this is not a normal waterwheel !
It works on Osmosis basis.
You do not need a river or running water.
It works more on theprinciple of the drinking bird:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird
but in a constant rotating mode,
which has some opportunity to rotate a load.
it is also gravity assited as the flappers move in and out, so the weight
is shifted, which makes this wheel unblanced and it moves on..
More or less like a Bessler wheel,
but the cause it water evaporation.
It only needs very low quantities of water.
Typically 1 Liter ( a qarter gallon) of water
for a few weeks of contineous operation.
Go for it and build yourself one out of this
paper model.
Regards, Stefan.
Does anyone know if this is similar to what Burt Rutan(the famous aircraft/spacecraft designer) has in his house? it apparently has been running since he built it, but he says not perpetual, cause you have to add water periodicaly as it evaporates. in the pics I have seen it looks to be made of plexi glass.
Quote from: dirt diggler on May 20, 2008, 10:23:30 AM
Does anyone know if this is similar to what Burt Rutan(the famous aircraft/spacecraft designer) has in his house? it apparently has been running since he built it, but he says not perpetual, cause you have to add water periodicaly as it evaporates. in the pics I have seen it looks to be made of plexi glass.
Do you have some pics of this, so I can have a look ?
I just also bought the above water motor plans
and it is easy to pay via PayPal for instance
or other Payment options
and you will immediately get a 6 Mbytes
ZIP file for download.
It contains a HTML
index.html file
with tons of pictures
as the description
and some
high resolution JPEG pictures
to be printed out.
You can for instance use the
the free very nice IrfanView
program to print this to your needs
and size:
www.irfanview.com
or just use the installed
Windows Paint program,
which is under
Start/Programs/Accessories/Paint
so you do not need to install anything.
Or just drag and drop the JPEG files
into your IE or Firefox browser and print it out from
there..
Then you only need a scissoir and cut the paper out and
glue it together.
Makes a nice toy and you can build it together with your kids,
so they can learn it too...
Better than to watch TV all the time.... ;D
Hope this helps.
BTW, there are nice colored Egyptian and Celtic style
color maping styles available also, so if ou have a color printer,
it will look nicely from the start...
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 20, 2008, 10:49:48 AM
Do you have some pics of this, so I can have a look ?
I just also bought the above water motor plans
and it is easy to pay via PayPal for instance
or other Payment options
and you will immediately get a 6 Mbytes
ZIP file for download.
It contains a HTML
index.html file
with tons of pictures
as the description
and some
high resolution JPEG pictures
to be printed out.
You can for instance use the
the free very nice IrfanView
program to print this to your needs
and size:
www.irfanview.com
or just use the installed
Windows Paint program,
which is under
Start/Programs/Accessories/Paint
so you do not need to install anything.
Or just drag and drop the JPEG files
into your IE or Firefox browser and print it out from
there..
Then you only need a scissoir and cut the paper out and
glue it together.
Makes a nice toy and you can build it together with your kids,
so they can learn it too...
Better than to watch TV all the time.... ;D
Hope this helps.
BTW, there are nice colored Egyptian and Celtic style
color maping styles available also, so if ou have a color printer,
it will look nicely from the start...
Regards, Stefan.
these are the pics of Burt Rutans wheel, it looks more like some kind of overbalance wheel, but uses water.
I'm not sure, as the photo is not really clear, but do you think that this is just using controlled leaks into the next chamber, or is there some other method? I don't see anything other than plexi. no "wicking" material?
Is there anywhere a video of this Burt Rutans wheel ?
The Dieter Marfurt Water motor works differently.
It displaces the weights at the rim so the different levers due to gravity can
propell it.
The main effect is osmosis.
Here is a simular youtube movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQjZwkia00
There you can see the principle.
But when you buy the Kit from:
http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm
you get a ready to print unit which is
very easy to build due to the good instructions
and the easy templates that come with it.
Surely this principle could be scaled up for higher output !
Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.
Here is another movie,
that shows the basic effect:
http://heatengine.uw.hu/film3.wmv
Sorry, no video that I have ever seen. only this one photo, and witness acounts that it turns continuosly. Burt has to add water as it evaporates, however he claims if it was sealed in a box, it would take care of that by it's self, by condensation. it sits in his front entry of his house.
It was impossible for me to order the water motor plans with PayPal (even my PayPal works perfect with any other order). Do anybody have a contact of the seller (or maybe he has a username here, on overunity.com?), as I want to pay directly if it's possible? Please help.
Sorry to have jumped to conclusions about the waterwheel. (See my post above).
But can't anyone simply explain how it works without resorting to videos?
Paul.
Sorry to have jumped to conclusions about waterwheels. (See my post above).
Osmosis is a process using a semi permeable membrane. Where is it?
can't anyone simply explain how it works without resorting to massively
bulky videos?
Paul.
Just my attempt at an osmosis wheel concept.
The level of the water is important so only one of the osmosis chambers are active. The water ascends and fills each chamber, thus unbalancing the wheel. Once it begins ascent the water drains out into the bottom chamber and into the water reservoir.
Look at it a bit and you can see. This is two dimensional so the hole would be in the middle of a thicker piece of plastic.
I think you get the idea.
Updated concept (roughly)
water fuel - motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX4SSzJpllk
Interesting
Gustav Pese
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 21, 2008, 11:24:34 PM
The main effect is osmosis.
Regards, Stefan.
I'm having trouble with this.
Osmosis?
Is this invention about water being drawn up a wick by capillary action and then evaporating,
this process happening more on one side of the wheel than the other (causing imbalance)?
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on May 25, 2008, 09:53:54 AM
I'm having trouble with this.
Osmosis?
Is this invention about water being drawn up a wick by capillary action and then evaporating,
this process happening more on one side of the wheel than the other (causing imbalance)?
Paul.
Yes, the water is drawn upward through capillary action, it then is deposited off the other end of the wicking material. Some will naturally evaporate but the great majority of it is deposited on the other side. Water naturally able to run upwards, against the flow of gravity. Kerosene lamps use it to draw fuel into the wick for burning.
Quote from: ResinRat2 on May 25, 2008, 12:09:37 PM
Yes, the water is drawn upward through capillary action, it then is deposited off the other end of the wicking material. Some will naturally evaporate but the great majority of it is deposited on the other side. Water naturally able to run upwards, against the flow of gravity. Kerosene lamps use it to draw fuel into the wick for burning.
Capillary motors are not working concepts dating 19th century, question of tension surface.
For ex. see this clever design :
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/capillar.htm
Hi exnihiloest,
Capillary action I think is different than osmosis. One is caused by the surface tension through very tiny tubes, the other is movement of fluid through membranes. So my previous term was probably wrong. The osmosis works because I have used it to water plants while I was on vacation. It moves the water upward and drips off the other end, like in my drawing above.
Personally, I don't believe water-wheels will give perpetual motion, my osmosis wheel was just a concept. I have not tried it and I probably won't. I just don't think it would work. I can't think of a reason why not, it is just a gut feeling. You are probably right.
lol , you wanna power what with that?
dos this work?
can it recharge my cell phone?
Quote from: yoyo on May 27, 2008, 04:05:49 AM
dos this work?
can it recharge my cell phone?
Yes,if you build it bigger and maybe combine it with the
http://www.freelights.co.uk/how.html
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then it should work.
For all,
who have already bought the ZIP file and have assembled it,
please post a few pictures of your build over here.
I did not have yet the time to build it and will
probably not in the next 2 weels, cause I have so much other work
to do right now.
http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm
Regards, Stefan.
Hi
I bought the plans and have it all built, just need to balance the wheel and get Blotting paper soon I hope. Will post video once working in the next week. Plans are very good and pictures. Took little more time than I thought
wayne
Hi Wayne,
looking forward to it.
Here is a video of the Dieter Marfurt setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ht0EhHDCs
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 03, 2008, 09:04:18 PM
Hi Wayne,
looking forward to it.
Here is a video of the Dieter Marfurt setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ht0EhHDCs
Update: will post some pics this weekend before I leave for short holiday. But still haven't found the right Blotting paper. Think a trip to art store or might try ebay. I did build a little 2 vane HAWT that spun few times. The problem is wear I live its rained so much its very damp so paper does not bend good. More later
wayne
Hey guys, I just purchased plans for the motor a few days ago. I am not very happy because none of the image files would open and all of the html links where the assembly instructions could supposeably be found are dead!! So now i'm out 20 bucks and have nothing in return. Total crap. I'm not very happy about this. Must be another free energy scam, imagine that. I hope i'm wrong about this but right now I don't know what I can do if the links are dead and the template image files can't be viewed.
Quote from: Mad Scientist on July 15, 2008, 10:24:15 PM
Hey guys, I just purchased plans for the motor a few days ago. I am not very happy because none of the image files would open and all of the html links where the assembly instructions could supposeably be found are dead!! So now i'm out 20 bucks and have nothing in return. Total crap. I'm not very happy about this. Must be another free energy scam, imagine that. I hope i'm wrong about this but right now I don't know what I can do if the links are dead and the template image files can't be viewed.
You musthave made something wrong.
Didn?t you download the complete ZIP archive file ?
Inside the ZIP archive there are also the template files.
Just try to unpack it all again with the latest WINZIP
or WinRAR version.
Maybe your download did break and you have not downloaded
the whole ZIP file ?
Please try again the download.
Regards, Stefan.
ok, I got the image files to open but in order to open them, I had to copy them to another folder, not sure why that helped. But the html links that contain the assembly instructions are all still dead. And why is this thread dead anyways? Isn't anybody building this thing?? Isn't this the free energy we have all been looking for? Why has everybody just moved on??
Quote from: Mad Scientist on July 16, 2008, 09:51:58 AM
ok, I got the image files to open but in order to open them, I had to copy them to another folder, not sure why that helped. But the html links that contain the assembly instructions are all still dead. And why is this thread dead anyways? Isn't anybody building this thing?? Isn't this the free energy we have all been looking for? Why has everybody just moved on??
Please send the email-receipt of your sale
to:
hanshuber008@yahoo.com
and request a new file.
He will send you the ZIP file again.
Please post in the forum in the same thread,
when the problem has been solved.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I will, thanks Stefan
Hey guys, just wanted to let everybody know that due to the assistance that I recieved from the seller of the file that everything works fine now and construction will begin within the next two weeks!!
Haha, seems like all of you were too lazy to complete the model then !?! Well, it takes a couple of hours.
The truth is: Yes, it works, and No, it will not power your car or house, simply because the energy we
gather is tiny, just enough to turn the wheel slowly, but continously.
Although the efficiency is low, in the end of the day the energy balance is positive, we truey obtained
mechanical energy from evaporating water. And water is evaporating every day, on all seas and so on.
So this sort of energy is free.
In this device water evaporates, is then picked up by wood fibres (causing mechanical action!), and then evaporates again, all
within seconds.So the reactive parts are some kind of humidity buffers.
As mentioned in the Documentation, this method has serious potential, but a hightech synthetic material should be designed,
that allows to pick up and release humidity much quicker than natural wood fibres.
The force of the machine is taken from the tendency of some fibres to expand and contract when exposed to various levels of humidity.
This very force is then used to move the reactors between zones of various humidity levels, thus set it in "eternal" motion.
The ancient egyptians may have used the same energy to split rocks when they put sheets of wood into holes in the rocks and then
put water onto the sheets, so they expanded and finally split the rocks.
By now the evaporation part (uses capilares) becomes partially dry after a few days and the user has to re-wet it, so this part may be
optimized. But this part is old tech anyway. The Rotor at the other hand, that is the heart of this design, may run for weeks without problems.
If this model is built correctly (and I offer my assistance in case of problems), then it's an amazing little thing on your desk or in your
classroom. A bit like the drinking bird, but IMHO much more spectacular, since its motion is HIGHLY obvious.
When I finished this design and I saw it actually worked, I felt like totally euphorised for several days, only from watching it.
Needsless to say I've spent 100s of hours to build many prototypes and to test lots of materials etc. until I came up with this design.
Hopefully I will soon make a new video of it, including a bit more information. Thanks to all those who have purchased. You just help me to
continue my research, since I don't get any other support or financial backup.
Quote from: dieter on August 20, 2008, 09:00:42 PM
Haha, seems like all of you were too lazy to complete the model then !?! Well, it takes a couple of hours.
The truth is: Yes, it works, and No, it will not power your car or house, simply because the energy we
gather is tiny, just enough to turn the wheel slowly, but continously.
Although the efficiency is low, in the end of the day the energy balance is positive, we truey obtained
mechanical energy from evaporating water. And water is evaporating every day, on all seas and so on.
So this sort of energy is free.
In this device water evaporates, is then picked up by wood fibres (causing mechanical action!), and then evaporates again, all
within seconds.So the reactive parts are some kind of humidity buffers.
As mentioned in the Documentation, this method has serious potential, but a hightech synthetic material should be designed,
that allows to pick up and release humidity much quicker than natural wood fibres.
The force of the machine is taken from the tendency of some fibres to expand and contract when exposed to various levels of humidity.
This very force is then used to move the reactors between zones of various humidity levels, thus set it in "eternal" motion.
The ancient egyptians may have used the same energy to split rocks when they put sheets of wood into holes in the rocks and then
put water onto the sheets, so they expanded and finally split the rocks.
By now the evaporation part (uses capilares) becomes partially dry after a few days and the user has to re-wet it, so this part may be
optimized. But this part is old tech anyway. The Rotor at the other hand, that is the heart of this design, may run for weeks without problems.
If this model is built correctly (and I offer my assistance in case of problems), then it's an amazing little thing on your desk or in your
classroom. A bit like the drinking bird, but IMHO much more spectacular, since its motion is HIGHLY obvious.
When I finished this design and I saw it actually worked, I felt like totally euphorised for several days, only from watching it.
Needsless to say I've spent 100s of hours to build many prototypes and to test lots of materials etc. until I came up with this design.
Hopefully I will soon make a new video of it, including a bit more information. Thanks to all those who have purchased. You just help me to
continue my research, since I don't get any other support or financial backup.
welcome to overunity.com
Quote from: dieter on August 20, 2008, 09:00:42 PM
Haha, seems like all of you were too lazy to complete the model then !?! Well, it takes a couple of hours.
The truth is: Yes, it works, and No, it will not power your car or house, simply because the energy we
gather is tiny, just enough to turn the wheel slowly, but continously.
Although the efficiency is low, in the end of the day the energy balance is positive, we truey obtained
mechanical energy from evaporating water. And water is evaporating every day, on all seas and so on.
So this sort of energy is free.
In this device water evaporates, is then picked up by wood fibres (causing mechanical action!), and then evaporates again, all
within seconds.So the reactive parts are some kind of humidity buffers.
As mentioned in the Documentation, this method has serious potential, but a hightech synthetic material should be designed,
that allows to pick up and release humidity much quicker than natural wood fibres.
The force of the machine is taken from the tendency of some fibres to expand and contract when exposed to various levels of humidity.
This very force is then used to move the reactors between zones of various humidity levels, thus set it in "eternal" motion.
The ancient egyptians may have used the same energy to split rocks when they put sheets of wood into holes in the rocks and then
put water onto the sheets, so they expanded and finally split the rocks.
By now the evaporation part (uses capilares) becomes partially dry after a few days and the user has to re-wet it, so this part may be
optimized. But this part is old tech anyway. The Rotor at the other hand, that is the heart of this design, may run for weeks without problems.
If this model is built correctly (and I offer my assistance in case of problems), then it's an amazing little thing on your desk or in your
classroom. A bit like the drinking bird, but IMHO much more spectacular, since its motion is HIGHLY obvious.
When I finished this design and I saw it actually worked, I felt like totally euphorised for several days, only from watching it.
Needsless to say I've spent 100s of hours to build many prototypes and to test lots of materials etc. until I came up with this design.
Hopefully I will soon make a new video of it, including a bit more information. Thanks to all those who have purchased. You just help me to
continue my research, since I don't get any other support or financial backup.
No, I'm not too lazy, I still intend to build it, soon, very soon.
QuoteWell, it is working with Osmosis,
Well, I personally think to call this an osmosis motor is just not correct. For IMHO this motor concept has nothing to do with osmosis.
Osmosis is what happens if you have two different water compartments with different salt concentrations, which are connected with each other through a semipermeable membrane, which only lets through water, but not the salts.
The salty compartment will draw water from the less salty compartment, until the salt concentration in both compartments is equal.
Here we have an effect which is IMHO more due to capillary effects. Due to adhesion capillary effects develop which draw water inside, and upside, even against gravity. If you now have a material which is mechanically flexible, the little capillary bubbles in the material are able to expand, and therefore the whole material expands, and this now develops mechanical action. This mechanical action is used to deflect some mass of the wheel in the direction of the center, and like that, the wheel becomes unbalanced and will turn. E.g. like a sponge: A dry sponge is smaller than a wet sponge. As was said before it would be very interesting to find out which materials exhibit the strongest mechanical effects due to contact with water. This could increase it's efficiency.
I had a similar idea, but not based on the mechanical deformation due to dampness, but due to the weight difference. And from this point of view, this water wheel is constructed the wrong way around: The forces developed due to weight change, work against the forces due to the mechanical action of the flappers.
As the flappers get wet in the lower part of the wheel they start to bent. But at the same time, because they get wet, they also get heavier! And this force is working against the rotation of the wheel.
If you would like to get rid of this, one would have to make the wetting part of the wheel on the opposite, which means not on the lower part, where the wheel is going up, but on the upper part, where the wheel is going down.
Now the flappers additional weight work in the same direction.
But now, one would have to change the flappers so, that they do not bent inside the wheel on getting wet, but to the outside. This surely gets you into problems with the wetting part which is also located outside. Therefore you the have to mount the wetting part on the inside of the wheel. This makes the construction surely a bit more complex, but also more efficient.
BTW: The current $20 for the plans are IMHO a rip off. $10 would be OK, but $20 is just too much...