well i was playing with water soda stainless steel and a 9v batt and maybe just 1 more ingreadent 8)
it was verry kool i disconnected the power 12 hours later it is still produceing ..... ;D
neat!!!
ist
UPDATE!!!
STILL GOING NO ELECTRICTY HHO YEA BABY!!
IST
shooting vid now ....
a wile ago i found a video on youtube that caught my intrest it was a verry impressive looking hho unit with out any aparrent engery input so.....well me being me i had to see what it was all about .... and infact i beleave i have discovered a big secret in hydgron production if not no biggie it is new to ME!! ;D :D
altho it seams it needs to be "CHARGED" to activate it and set it into a self producing state of operation 8)
when i find the youtube video i will post it here
Quote from: innovation_station on June 04, 2008, 02:36:36 PM
a wile ago i found a video on youtube
Hey ist,
you want to show us this video?
Or tell us what that extra ingredient was?
How much did you put in and how much gas did you get out?
sorry guys my video did not turn out well and it is a verry small scale test
i dont want to tell what it is that i put in the mix
the reason being it can be dangerous!!! the material can hurt you so .... probally posting this public is not a good choise
but
it is STILL RUNNING production has not stoped ;D
the test was 2 peices of small stainless steel in a coffee cup
take the steel out it will stop!!! put it back in away you go ;D
ist
Quote from: alan on June 05, 2008, 05:18:25 AM
Hey ist,
you want to show us this video?
sorry i have been looking for that vid the entire day
how ever i found many more that co inside with this style fuel cell i will post them as i collect the links
YES THIS WILL BE PUBLIC BUT ONLY AFTER I FIND THE PROPER WARNINGS AND PERCAUTIONS
THIS IS A NON TOXIC FUEL CELL BUT IT CAN BITE YOU
STAY TUNNED
ist
YES!! i found the vids ;D ;D ;D
answer this question how does this unit work ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2DY1gSiEmM&feature=related
i will be adding more links :) 8)
i want to hear all of your best guesses how this works ...
yes i do know how this works ;D
ist
another vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SU9ax0_30
why is what we beleave to be water stored in a blue fuel can??????
and notice how he does not touch the liquid with his hands!!!!! why???
ill tell you why cuz it will eat your skin!!! and it aint the nicest thing
enjoy
ist
But where can we find the video you found yourself that inspired you?
secret ingredient, h2o2?
To me the reactor in the video seems to use aluminum scrap and most likely sodium hydroxide (the liquid in blue canister). Those two produce sodium aluminates and hydrogen gas (no oxygen). Comments of the vid reflect that as well. There's also another similar method of making hydrogen using aluminum-gallium alloys which consumes oxygen in water in similar manner, releasing hydrogen. I believe this one would be slightly easier to recycle than sodium based system.
So he's got water, soda, stainless steel, and x.
Soda can be sodium carbonate (Na2CO3), sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3),
or caustic soda (NaOH).
Only the latter is really nasty and something one does not want to touch.
Stainless steel and Aluminium in a sodium carbonate solution can be
used as hV diode.
Aluminium reacts quite heavily with caustic soda.
My guess:
- using aluminium and caustic soda, the aluminium will react and hydrogen gas
is formed.
- when placed in an electrolyte solution, Al should become negatively charged
in respect to Iron
So at the moment I am guessing he's just made a sort of galvanic battery
with one Iron (Fe) electrode and one Aluminium (Al) electrode,
and caustic soda solution as the active electrolyte.
If the electrodes are connected through a wire or otherwise discharged,
gas should form at the electrodes, with the chemical reaction between the
Al and the solution forming H2 and AlO, and the electrical charge on
the steel aids and causes O2 bubble to form...
Am I warm? :)
i think you are cold it is hydgron peroxcide that he uses in the vid and ground stainless
go try it i used 35 % peroxcide
and it is still PRODUCEING after 3 days.... ;D ;D
ever seen the hydgron peroxcide rocket pack thrustor that runs on 90 + % hydgron peroxcide it was flowen at expo 67 i beleave
yep same thing diffrent applcation :P
ist
JUST TRY IT!!
a side note what do you think will happen if 90% was used ??
here is your answer instant pressureized hydgron gas in a tank ;D 8) ;) now what can be done with this??
Thanks 1st I will any grade stainless? Chet
ok so he uses H2O2?
Which is 2 OH- + 2e
Which is 2 H2O + O2...
Where do you see it forming H2?
In any case, assuming it does,
that could not even theoretically
produce more output energy than the
energy that was used to make the H2O2....
Could it?
So instead of using H2O2 to produce gas
to burn to produce energy,
would it not be more efficient to skip that step
and use the energy you were going to use to
make the H2O2 directly as power?
Sounds to me like something similar to the
entire hydrogen as fuel thing: it takes more
energy to produce the fuel and use it to produce
energy again than it does to use the energy directly...
Yes, a source of hydrogen.
No, not a grand overunity nor "free energy" development...
Or am I overlooking something?
Yes, I'm not quite understanding how you are getting H2 by mixing H2O2 with steel scrap, either. In the video he clearly says he uses aluminum, and it's fairly common knowledge that aluminum, mixed with lye, releases hydrogen...Or are we not talking about that video anymore, I'm confused :).
Hydrogen peroxide decomposes into water and oxygen quite easily with metal catalysts, but I'm not sure where you get the hydrogen from.
Quote from: retroworm on June 06, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
Yes, I'm not quite understanding how you are getting H2 by mixing H2O2 with steel scrap, either. In the video he clearly says he uses aluminum, and it's fairly common knowledge that aluminum, mixed with lye, releases hydrogen...Or are we not talking about that video anymore, I'm confused :).
Hydrogen peroxide decomposes into water and oxygen quite easily with metal catalysts, but I'm not sure where you get the hydrogen from.
the scraps ARE NOT ALUM THEY ARE STAINLESS look at them!!!
this is makeing hydgron and he looks to be useing compressed air to move the fluid.. .. when the fluid is moved around it it will interact with the stainless makeing hydgron and the oxy is already there ......
i have not burnt the gas.... altho it looks identical to hho and acts the same when electrofied
ist
Heh, you can't really deduce what the metal scrap is just by looking at it, but to me it really looks more like aluminum (just like he says).
But even if we assume it is steel, I'm still not following you here.
Could you give us some working principle how you are getting hydrogen out of it the way you have described? (e.g. chemical equations)
Quote from: alan on June 06, 2008, 07:09:28 AM
But where can we find the video you found yourself that inspired you?
secret ingredient, h2o2?
Sorry, didn't see the post containing the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJssOkBTGM
another link how does this work??
ist ;D
finally this morning it stoped produceing ......
im guessing it is all used up the hydgron peroxcide ....
but i will give it another zap from a 9v battery and see what the results are
ist
what is the activator ingredient in the last vid i posted ??
so i re engerized it with the 9 v and it was back in production .... until i disconnected the 9v then it stoped so .... it must be the peroxcide so i added more hydgron peroxcide 35% and yep back to work.... all by its self with out electricty .....
hummmm.....
ist
You sure it is hydrogen what's released and not oxygen?
nope not sure of anything anymore ;D
finally i have come up with a great cell design
and i noticed that when you use hydgeron peroxide 35 % and tap water and bakeing soda the cell is CLEAN also the STAINLESS STEEL DOES NOT BUILD UP WITH CRAP
and of course production is much much more and with out power ....
APPLCATIONS
home heating the piolet light .....
the plan was to keep the a small supply of gas production all the time and when the theromastat kicks in it turns on the power to the tubes ...
no mantinance as to cleaning and such inside the cell
just tooo kool 8)
ist
i will post a few pics of my home heating supply cell and my new simple design cell
See if you can get your hands on some silver plates or even fine silver mesh. You won't even need baking soda with that.
Quote from: innovation_station on June 05, 2008, 12:28:30 PM
YES!! i found the vids ;D ;D ;D
answer this question how does this unit work ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2DY1gSiEmM&feature=related
i will be adding more links :) 8)
i want to hear all of your best guesses how this works ...
yes i do know how this works ;D
ist
another vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SU9ax0_30
That first video, where he fills up the plastic bag with H2 written on it in big letters.
That does answer my thought on what weight H2 is in regard to air. As I didnt know till I looked it up a while back that Carbon (6) is lighter than Oxygen (8). I would have thought it the other way round.
I just wonder how legal that H2 bag release would be? Being very inflamible, it just made me chuckle a bit. Then the greenie in me thought, hey wait a dogman minute, that's putting plastic in the environment, the stuff that kills critters. (saw an albatross with half a plastic thingy stuck down it's throat, and caught on it's mouth stopping it from feeding, but the documentary scientists removed it - just had to mentioned awareness on that. Chances are it might make it to some remote location out at sea if it took of that high.)
I did hear something about Aluminium and water getting H2 out. That did look metalic what he was feeding in initially.
Thanks for the info.
I do wonder about chemicals. As H is given off from a regular Lead Acid battery on charge, and that has sulphuric acid in it. I don't know what chlorine would give off, but I do know mixing chorline as a 13yo blew up gave me third degree burns to my hand, and had me hospital for a week or so, with many visits for redressings. Leaving molten residue on the burns which needed to be removed with soapy water and a nail brush by the doctors. Won't do that again, well not exactly the same way, uno what boys are like ;)
Below is my idea for a fuel cell. I would like it if any one could tell me what is wrong with the idea. Basicly water/electrolyte is held in a resivoir runs down a hose that is split and delivered to both ends of the cell. Each place is seperated by a Grainger.com 2JAV8 in a Positive/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Negative/Negative/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Neutral/Positive with a 4"OD 1" long seperates th two negatives in the middle which has a hose connector attached to allow gas to escape. Sorry for the run on sentance but wanted to describe as much as possible.
Feel free to pick it a part so I can try to improve apon it.
Ah :) .... this was in the videos :
Al2O3 + H2O + NaOH = Looooooot of HHO , very dangerous combination be careful with this toy :D