Are you like me? Are you sick to death of the 'Roll on June 20th' thread?
Are you like me? Do you love stories about Free Energy devices and the guys who build them?
Are you like me? Will you never get off your sorry ass and actually build a device but you are willing to contribute so somebody else will keep building?
Look, I'm going to be straight here. I don't believe in Free Energy. I don't believe Archer Quinn will ever successfully build an over-unity device. My main reason for believing that none of these these things will ever work actually doesn't have much to do with the idea that they 'violate the laws of physics'. My main reason for not believing in FE devices is because, over the course of centuries, some extremely brilliant men have invested untold amounts of time and energy building these devices and not one of them, I repeat not a single one, has ever, ever, ever worked.
With those odds I'm quite happy to bet that this losing streak will continue. But, when you think about it, it's a great bet. Because, if you are wrong YOU WIN! If someone really does create an OU device, we are all winners. It's truly a win win situation.
Are you like me? Have you found the entire soap opera and saga of Archer Quinn over the past 60 days highly entertaining?
I mean, I pay $25 a month to subscribe to HBO and Showtime and I'm pretty sure I had more fun with Archer Quinn's saga than any entertainment value I got from DirectTV.
Watching Archer Quinn reminds me of watching the reality TV program 'Big Brother'. What makes Archer more fun than the TV show is that in this instance I get to poke him and rattle his hamster cage from time to time.
Now, Archer does have to deal with the realities of life, as we all do, and he is now willing to consider accepting some donations to keep the show going.
Realize now that I am an arch skeptic, non-free-energy believer, and generally negative Nancy but I still want to watch the Archer Quinn show continue. It reminds me of that line in the 'The Truman Show'.... "How will it end?"
Well, Archer has threatened to end it any number of times, but still I want to watch him keep building for a while.
I plan to donate $25 US this evening to his paypal account and, depending on whether or not I get my entertainment value out of it, I might renew my subscription as time goes on.
To anyone who, like myself, has derived enormous entertainment value out of this build process I encourage you to subscribe to the Archer Quinn reality show too. I also ask that only subscribers add to this thread. Let those cheapskates who are unwilling to pay for the programming keep ranting and raving in the 'Roll on' thread.
This thread is for the paid subscribers to the Archer Quinn reality show only.
Let's each donate a few bucks to the cause and get Archer back to building!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm afraid you are wrong.
Google Orffyreus and start reading. Come back here in a few weeks and let me know how you went!
Cheers,
Quote from: DrWhat on June 25, 2008, 07:31:40 AM
I'm afraid you are wrong.
Google Orffyreus and start reading. Come back here in a few weeks and let me know how you went!
Cheers,
Come on, DrWhat.... How can you say for 100% certainty that he is wrong.... I truly want to believe that OU or some type of ZeroPoint energy exist, and I keep an open mind, but I also know that if Orffyreus actually accomplished this, he took the secret to his grave, leaving no CONCLUSIVE evidence behind (has anyone ever fully replicated a working Bessler wheel, or ever found one of his old working wheels?)
Truly keeping an open mind is not a one sided deal... If your an open minded thinker, the possibility of OU or ZeroPoint energy is just as plausible as the possibility that it doesn't exist.
"Proof" is the ultimate decider... Let Archer keep following his dream, and if he unlocks the secret, lets hope he discovers the communication skills necessary to pass the information along...
As for me, I'll keep an open mind (but I'm not investing in Archer's reality show... lol)...
Keep dreaming... That's where the great ideas come from.
PwrDream
Quote from: jratcliff on June 25, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
My main reason for not believing in FE devices is because, over the course of centuries, some extremely brilliant men have invested untold amounts of time and energy building these devices and not one of them, I repeat not a single one, has ever, ever, ever worked.
You really need to inform you more. For example, and this is one of the examples that really motivate me in hard times, we had here, in my country, at the biggest Technical Museum, a small battery, which is continuously delivered 1 volt for over 58 years now. It was built by a great local scientist. It was built in 1950 and at the beginning it has attached a small electrical motor to display it works. Anybody who was visiting that museum was able to see it. Unfortunately, in last about 10 years, the museum was unable to install the required security to display it so it is now in a vault in the director's office. I personally did not see it, as I was too little and located in a distant city, but I know people that saw it and there are some newspaper articles regarding this small motor (it was shown to some journalist in February 2006 and he measured the constant voltage unchanged). The inventor claimed that his battery will deliver voltage for ever and until now it does not contradicted him.
Regarding the construction, it consists of a gold electrode and a second platinum one and uses high purity sulfuric acid as electrolyte. The inventor said that this was just a proof of concept prototype, which he donated to this museum. He said that using the same principle, it can be scaled as big as it needs, even to power spaceships.
You can see the journalist examining it in the attached photo.
So good luck with your faith ;)
Quote from: DrWhat on June 25, 2008, 07:31:40 AM
I'm afraid you are wrong.
Google Orffyreus and start reading. Come back here in a few weeks and let me know how you went!
Cheers,
DrWhat,
I'm not talking about stories. There are lots and lots of stories. This is just another story and unless you can replicate these devices and sell one at Walmart for $19.95 I think it is rather obvious it doesn't exist.
Stories alone do not comprise proof of anything, they are just so much entertaining mythology.
John
Great story! Where can I buy one? Have you built one? Stories are all well and good but they are , in and of themselves, just that. Stories. It doesn't matter who it is, how recent or how old, it is just a story until it has been replicated and distributed to the world.
If you like your statements qualified, then let me qualify it for you:
"Even though numerous people have 'claimed' to produce OU devices in history, to date not a single one has ever been widely replicated as proof. Some devices claiming OU were actually a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of natural laws of physics and were not, actually, OU at all. See the museum of unworkable devices and/or myth busters for more detailed information."
If free-energy devices are so easy, why has not a single person ever built and distributed an OU toy? Especially if all it takes to make an OU device is a gravity wheel and/or a bit of kit in a magnetic field.
The fact of the matter is that no such device exists. I would be quite happy to purchase an OU toy if such a thing ever existed. If I am misinformed, please correct me.
John
I have to agree with you jratcliff.
Until you can buy a toy replication of one of these devices online, (or purchase simple to follow plans that actually work), any OU or ZeroPoint claims are totally FAITH based.
I'm a religious person, and have faith in God, but I also know exactly what faith is. "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
Now, many out their claim to have "seen" these devices in action. Well, all I can say is I've seen a man pull a rabbit out of a hat before, but that doesn't PROVE that teleportation is possible.
When the mass public has access to purchasing a "toy" version of the device, or can EASILY replicate it themselves at home, then belief in the device will no longer be based on faith....
PwrDream
@jratcliff
Kudos for donating to Archer's quest.
I hope you become more open to the possiblity of free energy.
Archer Quinn is just the "genius" the free energy community deserves.
Quote from: Yucca on June 25, 2008, 11:11:57 AM
@jratcliff
Kudos for donating to Archer's quest.
I hope you become more open to the possiblity of free energy.
I am extremely open to the possibility of free energy. In fact, I intend to buy not one, but two, three, maybe even four OU devices the minute someone replicates one and makes it available. And, now that I am contributing to Archer's quest I hope the first OU toy I buy is based on his work.
John
At the risk of being labeled "stupid" (although that's never stopped me before) I gave up $75USD to the fund to make good on a promise I made in another forum.
While I still think that jratcliffs reasoning on the possibility of "new" (let's get away from this "free" energy concept as it's just.....misleading) energy discovery is completely whacked (no offense, this is my OPINION), I do heartily agree with his reasoning for donation (and that's what it is. Even more so it's like gambling (buying a large lottery ticket when the prize gets big).
You win, you win BIG.
You lose, and even though you lost, you got the entertainment of "hope".
I believe my expenditure, at the very least, covers the entertainment (even though I created a bit of it myself) and EDUCATIONAL aspect of the thread, and even if it turns out that it doesn't work, it was worth it for that reason only.
So, if you can't/don't want to get off your ass and verify or disprove the ideas, the least you can do is pay for the entertainment and EDUCATION (I think that last part is the most important).
If you wanna call me a fool and point and laugh (which some seem to be here expressly for that reason), go ahead. It won't bother me.
Until you step up with physical action vs. keyboard exercise, you're just dancing pixels on a screen and it seems just too silly to worry about the opinion of pixels.
So far, I know of very few thread contributors that have left their "comfort zone" and experimented (and even video'd and posted to the Tube), or had the "balls" to put their real name and reputation into the foray.
But it has not been just supporters doing the above, but debunkers as well, so I cannot say 1 group is any better than the other. I'll just congratulate anyone from either side who tries.
Now, I'd like to debate jratcliffs stance on the "free energy" discovery.
Bud, it's opinions like yours that should have killed the water wheel, windmill, steam engine, airplane, nuclear reactor, etc.
I agree 100% with your right to HAVE your opinion, I just don't agree 100% with it for the reasoning above.
Now to SUPPORT your stance, I believe that the quest for energy efficiency in what we do have/are using should be just as important as seeking new energy sources.
Internal combustion engines are still woefully inefficient, as just about any fueled motor/turbine. We wouldn't have the catalytic converter or jet trails if fossil fuel combustion worked 100%.
If you see Archers quest as "windmill tilting" go right ahead, but please also use your intellect to think of how your use of the energy we know about today can be more efficient, cool?
I will keep an open mind (fly ;) ) about new energy being able to be discovered, even though some had failed in the past.
You kind of have to fail, to succeed sometimes.
Well spoken exx! And thanks for contributing to the show, I hope this new season will be as entertaining as the first one was.
John