This stuff is all natural, devours all waste leaving clean drinking water behind...great for all waters resevoirs....I will also be approaching an aquaculture industry near me.
It can be fed into capped off coal mines producing an almost unlimited supply of natural gas.
There will be no more landfills...all waste will be fed into a vat and broken down into gas.
You won't have to hold your nose driving by a pig farm anymore...they will be selling off the gas instead.
None of this would have come my way if I passed up opportunity's to make people aware of our shrinking rights/planet/enclosure etc. in my never ending battle to save the planet.
While in the ear of a sales rep he told me of this guy with this amazing product...but no play from officialdom...other than a major oil company securing a sample through a crooked government source...no surprise there.
Well it seems the combination of over 50 ingredients and a specific process was to much to decipher in their lab, so things remain at a standstill.
I have been guaranteed a distributorship in my general area if I can establish a market...there may be an opportunity for others here if they can do the same...pm me if you are interested.
This guy has had it up to here with stuffed shirts and an honest guy...and he would be loyal to any distributors of his product.
A a matter of fact he is so honest he refuses to "cash in"...and is selling this stuff for only $ 30 dollars a pound...2 or 3 teaspoons will totally clean any septic tank to a spotless finish...and take care of a steady supply of waste for quite some time after.
In other words it goes a very long way...he says the stuff is cheaply made.
Apparently 100 lbs of it cleaned 15 miles of 4ft diameter sewer pipe spotlessly.
In the absence of a steady supply waste the material will consume itself in the end.
Regards...
Finally.......
I've always thought that farmers were giving up "free money" because we don't harvest and sell methane instead of it becoming a odoriferous nuisance.
We still need to find a way to compress it for sale, because that's what the sticking point is for it's broad use (it creates a crystal during compression that eats the pump impeller).
I'd be happy to be a distributor as I live in the "hog confinement heaven" of the world, and I'm sure that some people would be more than happy to buy it for their neighbors.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 03, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
This stuff is all natural, devours all waste leaving clean drinking water behind...great for all waters resevoirs....I will also be approaching an aquaculture industry near me.
It can be fed into capped off coal mines producing an almost unlimited supply of natural gas.
There will be no more landfills...all waste will be fed into a vat and broken down into gas.
You won't have to hold your nose driving by a pig farm anymore...they will be selling off the gas instead.
None of this would have come my way if I passed up opportunity's to make people aware of our shrinking rights/planet/enclosure etc. in my never ending battle to save the planet.
While in the ear of a sales rep he told me of this guy with this amazing product...but no play from officialdom...other than a major oil company securing a sample through a crooked government source...no surprise there.
Well it seems the combination of over 50 ingredients and a specific process was to much to decipher in their lab, so things remain at a standstill.
I have been guaranteed a distributorship in my general area if I can establish a market...there may be an opportunity for others here if they can do the same...pm me if you are interested.
This guy has had it up to here with stuffed shirts and an honest guy...and he would be loyal to any distributors of his product.
A a matter of fact he is so honest he refuses to "cash in"...and is selling this stuff for only $ 30 dollars a pound...2 or 3 teaspoons will totally clean any septic tank to a spotless finish...and take care of a steady supply of waste for quite some time after.
In other words it goes a very long way...he says the stuff is cheaply made.
Apparently 100 lbs of it cleaned 15 miles of 4ft diameter sewer pipe spotlessly.
In the absence of a steady supply waste the material will consume itself in the end.
Regards...
Capt Z
you havn't said anything about how it works
Is it biological ?
How can we be sure it is safe?
It seems to me that WE are organic l matter .
gary
Perfectly safe and eco friendly Gary.
Its been described to me as a super fast compost that only stops when there is no (dead) waste material being fed into it...or a waste treatment process, with the water left behind being pure, needing no treatment.
I see land fills and sewage facilities being converted into methane power generating plants.
Regards...
Cap z ro
Nothing posted on this for ages.
I cant PM you for some reason dunno why.
Is this still out there.
how can I get some to try.
I want to use it on farm waste and forestry waste.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 03, 2008, 06:34:13 PM
This stuff is all natural, devours all waste leaving clean drinking water behind...great for all waters resevoirs....I will also be approaching an aquaculture industry near me.
It can be fed into capped off coal mines producing an almost unlimited supply of natural gas.
There will be no more landfills...all waste will be fed into a vat and broken down into gas.
You won't have to hold your nose driving by a pig farm anymore...they will be selling off the gas instead.
None of this would have come my way if I passed up opportunity's to make people aware of our shrinking rights/planet/enclosure etc. in my never ending battle to save the planet.
While in the ear of a sales rep he told me of this guy with this amazing product...but no play from officialdom...other than a major oil company securing a sample through a crooked government source...no surprise there.
Well it seems the combination of over 50 ingredients and a specific process was to much to decipher in their lab, so things remain at a standstill.
I have been guaranteed a distributorship in my general area if I can establish a market...there may be an opportunity for others here if they can do the same...pm me if you are interested.
This guy has had it up to here with stuffed shirts and an honest guy...and he would be loyal to any distributors of his product.
A a matter of fact he is so honest he refuses to "cash in"...and is selling this stuff for only $ 30 dollars a pound...2 or 3 teaspoons will totally clean any septic tank to a spotless finish...and take care of a steady supply of waste for quite some time after.
In other words it goes a very long way...he says the stuff is cheaply made.
Apparently 100 lbs of it cleaned 15 miles of 4ft diameter sewer pipe spotlessly.
In the absence of a steady supply waste the material will consume itself in the end.
Regards...
People,
I came across this substance about 15 years ago in the genetically engineered microorganisms development projects in the early 1990’s. At that time, they were called genetically engineered enzymes and they were being used to clean sewer systems as well as waste water canals. There were even some enzymes that had been engineered to destroy grease in sewer pipes.
So this technology is NOT new and is NOT exclusive as I was able to purchase these agents (enzymes) 15 years ago. It sounds like a great sales pitch though to say that it was being suppressed. IT IS NOT BEING SUPPRESSED!!!
Goto http://www.envirozyme.com/ and you will see for yourself that it is still readily available to the public as an alternative cleaning solution.
Goto http://www.geo-pie.cornell.edu/crops/enzymes.html and you can confirm what I said about the fact that the technology has been around sine the 1990’s.
Disappointed,
Chess Knight
I'm not sure if this is the same product chess is referring to...although they both seem to do similar things.
This stuff leaves potable water behind...and the guy was very wary of my intentions, and never sent me a sample.
Oddly, I have been thinking of contacting him again.
Regards...
One time I was in Springfield,Mo at a feed store.I saw a bottle of crystals for the septic tank ,cost about 10 or 15 dollars.Early 90's I think.Could that have been it?Triffid
At the time,I thought it was just bacteria or clumps of bacteria.Triffid
Methane becomes a liquid at about 1000 psi whereas propane does so at about 29psi.Triffid
You can make methane by heating soda lime and sodium acetate mixed together and get a yield of about 75% pure methane.---"Organic Chemistry" second edition,arthur B.J.Stokes,Published London 1967. Triffid
If you use an ordinary methane digestor it takes about a month to get rid of all the oxygen in the system.Since its the anaerobic bacteria that make the methane and oxygen kills them.A little detail left out of a lot of digestor plans I've seen.Triffid
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on May 19, 2009, 06:02:37 AM
I'm not sure if this is the same product chess is referring to...although they both seem to do similar things.
This stuff leaves potable water behind...and the guy was very wary of my intentions, and never sent me a sample.
Oddly, I have been thinking of contacting him again.
Regards...
Yes please contact him again and I would like to buy a sample and try it.
If it works I will have no problem selling it over here.
The only way I got to him was through another contact.
He is very suspicious of people and their true intentions...due to a corporate espionage incident.
I will give it another try though...after I dig up my old journal,
I will tell him of your interest also.
Regards...
Get him to take a look at this site and maybee see where we are all coming from.
He's strictly a phone/fax person.
Regards...
Quote from: triffid on May 19, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
At the time,I thought it was just bacteria or clumps of bacteria.Triffid
There is a product called EM stands for effective microorganisms. It does all that you are talking about.
I use 1 cup of activated solution in my toilet once a week. It completely empties the tank eventually. Pretty cool stuff.
You get it in a 32 oz bottle that makes up into an enormous amount (like 2 oz becomes a gallon...) and all you need to do is activate it. I don't remember the details. I made some then dried it so I even have it in a permanent dry form and if I ever need to, I can add water and molasses and activate it. It cleans all toxins tested. The list is crazy.
I don't know about the methane part but all the rest seems to match.
Just use it and you will see.
I just put some down in my back yard to enhance my EB, because evidently the microorganisms help the EB, and My EB needs help!
jeanna
where do you buy EM.
If you want to know if it makes mwthane then get a bottle and put some warm water in it and maybe grass clippings or table scraps etc. Then set the bottle in a warm place. take a party balloonand stretch the neck of the baloon over the top of the bottle. leave the bottle for a few days and hopefully the balloon will inflate.
Tie the neck of the baloon off above the bottle then remove from the bottle.
If the baloon floats up to the cieling then it is almost definately methane.
If the baloon sinks to the floor then it may have a mixture of methane and CO2 which is quite common.
If the baloon sinks then take it to a safe place and dip the string in alchohol or something and let it burn up until it pops the baloon and if there is significant methane it should make a small fireball. ( I do the stink and balloon thing with hydrogen it is good fun but dont do it inside)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on May 19, 2009, 06:36:47 PM
He's strictly a phone/fax person.
Regards...
Cap-z-ro check your email box.
I have sent you an email as I cant get the PM page to load
Email sent.
This stuff also reportedly grows plants at a super fast rate...good news for home growers.
Regards...
Sorry,methane is not lighter than air.Hydrogen and helium are lighter than air.Air is a mixture mostly of oxygen and nitrogen and the other one percent being other gases.But "hot air" is lighter than "cold air" and therefore will float a balloon under the right conditions.Triffid
@ Cap
Still an interesting idea and I might be able to drum up business for such a product, but the storage of methane still remains an issue.
I think triffid said something about 1000 PSI compression necessary for liquification, and the amount of energy necessary for that might be prohibitive to practical use for heating/cooking.
Maybe there is a way like using metal hydrides for storing hydrogen that would be mo' bettah?
Something like:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070220132230.htm
(I just like the corn cob angle in this story. There are other methodologies it seems).
I'd have to do more research into what ever happened to the tech (story is from 2007), that I'm not yet at liberty to persue that.
Get something going as well in the area of storage of the resulting gas and this guy will have a hard time keeping up production of the stuff.
I would still like to register my interest in the distributorship possibilities without that (storage) being addressed yet.
There's some crafty farmers out there. ;)
That seems to be the ideal storage method for methane excomm.
Appears to be a perfect marriage of technologies.
More info on the process is definitely needed.
Regards...
i think that methane can be stored in ice and it doesn't have to be all that cold but needs to be under pressure and as the ice is warmed it releases the methane it would be pretty safe as it would have limited burn that you sould control.
Quote from: triffid on May 24, 2009, 01:13:55 AM
Sorry,methane is not lighter than air.Hydrogen and helium are lighter than air.Air is a mixture mostly of oxygen and nitrogen and the other one percent being other gases.But "hot air" is lighter than "cold air" and therefore will float a balloon under the right conditions.Triffid
Actually I am pretty sure that mwthane does float in air as it is CH4 which is 4 hydrogen to each carbon.
Also we used to own a methane digester which we used to produce fuel for all our vehicles and tractors and when we were kids we could go to the filling station and get our balloons filled and they would rise out of site in the air.
I think methane is about the same as air. If you have a leak in your kitchen the stink smell they put in it just sits in the room.
I could be wrong.
I think you can find EM on the web.
There was a guy in Mendocino county cal. that taught a class on how to make your own methane. He had a garbage can overturned onto one standing upright. He just used grass clippings. He made the point that methane is easy to make.
He took the smell out by running the gas through some steel wool. Maybe it does rise a little. hmm.
I will try to remember his name. He wrote books and his books are peddled by realgoods , now gaiam. It all seemed very easy and backyard simple.
jeanna
I am all for methane being used as a fuel for cars.I know there is methane in ice form buried in the oceans.They talk about how its methane leftover from when the earth was formed.I'm real sure about methane being heavier than air(i guess solar heat could make it warm enough to rise if it's already in balloons).I am thrilled they found something to store the methane in besides just a tank.Carbon from charred corncobs.You can make charcoal from a stack of wood .You light on fire then cover the stack with soil.The fire continues but at a much slower rate and some hours later you have some charcoal that will burn. Burn corncobs instead of wood .Same method .Triffid
Hows things going on the contact cap-z-ro this sounds like what I have been after and I am just itching to start trying it
Quote from: gsmsslsb on May 25, 2009, 11:11:02 PM
Hows things going on the contact cap-z-ro this sounds like what I have been after and I am just itching to start trying it
Hi gsmsslsb,
Here is the link to EM
http://www.emamerica.com/ (http://www.emamerica.com/)
this is the same company, and it is where you can buy it, I guess??
http://www.emrousa.com/ (http://www.emrousa.com/)
jeanna
Is this the same stuff that cap has got a hold of.
I have read the site and they say it breaks down waste but no mention of methane
Just located the phone number from among my once not so messy file system and will be making a call tomorrow.
Regards...
Hey Cap
What did he say
did you get him
Whats happening
Dont want to hassle you but I am quite excited about this as I think I could make this happen for vehicle fuel for me now
Sorry for the delay gs...life takes you where you need to go sometimes.
Anyway, I spoke with the product owner and he would be happy to hear from anyone.
Apparently he sells most of his product in Europe...likely due to monopolies.
No doubt this product can change the world by eating all liquid and solid pollutants, leaving potable water and methane behind.
His name is Allan McInnis from British Columbia Canada.
His phone and fax numbers are as follows.
P 1 250 390-3113 F 1 250 390-2312
Maybe someone here can figure out how they are safely storing methane in corncobs.
Good luck with your project...please post your progress here for the benefit of all.
Regards...
So My guess is that an electric charge could be used(like in cold fusion).Otherwise maybe just gas pressure(forcing methane into the charcoal).Then maybe use heat(?) to pull it back out?So I'm just guessing here.Triffid
Might be handy for some background information:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biogas.nl&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biogas.nl&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en)
I found this on building your own methane generator...
http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-2.shtml
Regards...
Hi all,
Something that gives a little more insight into the corn cob carbon briquet is here in pdf form:
http://all-craft.missouri.edu/Presentations/PosterBanksc.pdf
But it still doesn't seem that difficult if you knew the acid wash times.
Another site that discusses this, and other storage methods is here:
http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2008/09/09/reality-check-where-to-put-all-that-methane/
The "dry water" method looks like it would be the lowest cost and most easily realizable besides the corn cob method because of the silica base.
I need to do more digging to see if IF either ever was tested fruitfully with enough information for replication.
It also addresses the energy density of methane vs. gasoline as to economic viability.
Thanks for the info on the methane storage with corncob carbon.I think its definately part of the solution.To think that 120 times the volume can be absorbed easily with corncob charcoal.But with a metal cage molecule up to 230 times the volume ,while the DOE goal was 180 times the volume.Looks like we are on our way with methane burning cars.Triffid
This stuff can change the world trif...take a trip cross the country on a 6 pack of beer and a can of beans.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on June 02, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
I found this on building your own methane generator...
http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-2.shtml
Regards...
Hi Cap,
This looks a lot like the things you needed to do with the grass clippings methane producer.
I looked for the book at realgoods. I don't see it online. But you just had to collect the grass clippings in a big container and they (the clippings) did the rest. You just had to collect it.
This looks like the same idea with pellets... same grass... different form, but, I guess the nitrogen in there is the same.
Somebody with a lawn mower ought to try this. cut the grass... make methane... mod the lawnmower to run on the methane from the grass-gas.
ok I will be still, for a while. ;)
jeanna
Hey Jeanna,
I believe with a little ingenuity this stuff will get you off the grid = freedom.
And I encourage all positive input in all my threads, even if its may be considered 'off topic'...so do not hesitate to post.
Its my belief that the natural flow of things provides a fertile ground for serendipitous discovery.
Regards...
Hey Cap and all,
How apropos that you'd use the word "fertile". The other side of a methane collector (IF the stuff you've posted about leaves it and it's NOT converted to methane or water) is that it's a super fertilizer generator.
A standard septic system is like a compost pile (IF you don't use chlorine based toilet cleansers or tank "drop ins"). New stuff keeps being added to the top and what is on the bottom (that should already be converted by this time) is "super fertilizer" that is organic.
Use of this type of methane generator might mean a change in building to have the septic tank be built above ground and gas tight with a spigot on the bottom to draw off the fertilizer or with a stand pipe to draw off the converted water. I would assume, but do not absolutely know, that solid matter would filter to the bottom which might need a filter floor so "converted" water can be collected there.
I often argued with an energy efficiency expert I worked with about "cropping" methane and how much sense it would make to do so. He set me straight on a few things about methane generation.
1.) It's an anaerobic bacteria that produces it, meaning that it doesn't like oxygen.
2.) It (methane) will be produced if the bacteria is kept within a pretty slim margin of pH.
3.) It needs to be agitated every so often to expose unconverted sepsis to the bacteria so they can eat it.
4.) It helps to have a blend of carnivore AND herbivore waste for good fertilizer "balance".
If you'd have a moment and have already started dialog w/ the inventor of this enzyme, you might want to ask about the fertilizer potential, agitation need, anaerobic need, and what pH range it can stand and still be productive.
If you have not talked to him yet, I suppose I can do it if you'd prefer.
The material need no maintenence other than feeding it waste...and I believe the compound itself performs as a fertilizer, or he has modified it to act in that way.
I won't know for sure until I receive the literature on it.
Regards...
Maybe a stupid question... But..
What happens when that bactaria "escapes" , does my pond become lifeless? Does it eat all organics? ???
Only dead organic material is consumed.
So, I'd say that unless you are a leper or have gangrene you are fairly safe.
Regards...
I wonder if burnt(turned into charcoal that is) popcorn can be used to store methane?It's easy to get bags of popcorn.Maybe some experimenter here could be inspired?Triffid