Howdy Y'all,
This thread is going to document the construction of the Infinity Coil. This device is based on the Hubbard Coil, a free energy device which was build by Alfred M. Hubbard in the early part of the 20th century (1919). There is a legend of this device which powered a boat around Portage Bay, Washington for several hours, with an annotation that the device would periodically levitate. In the Hubbard Coil thread EMDevices is attempting to replicate the Hubbard Coil using Cook coils. GiantKiller has has some initial success with his four air coil setup. My take on this design is eight solenoids connected in series in a loop. The operational theory is that when an initializing, temporary DC pulse is applied to this device can operate for an extended period of time, perhaps even perpetually. Additionally, I am speculating that additional energy can be extracted from the device without altering the initial charge and operation of the device. Theoretically the device can supply a great amount of power, far beyond its initial charge.
The operational theory is that there is a charge that is cycled between the inductors in a loop. Current leads the voltage in an inductor by 90 degrees. This phase delay is the method in which this device works. An inductor is charged, developing a magnetic flux field. As the charging current is stopped, the inductors magnetic field will collapse, generating a current flow out of the coil. The current flows around the loop into the adjacent inductors and develop magnetic flux fields within them. This continues around the loop infinitely. Theoretically there should be a loss of charge as the current encounters the resistance of the wire in the inductors. However the unique nature of a set of coils in this configuration seems to be drawing extra energy from an unknown source. I can speculate that this energy is coming from subspace, the Etheric Plane, or another dimension in spacetime. Truth is I don't know firmly where it is coming from. This is what we are going to figure out here in this thread. I do not know for sure if "free" energy is a physical matter phenomena, or if it something from a alternate plane or dimension.
Initial construction plans call for the construction of eight primary coils which have one inch diameter iron rod cores. The secondary is a single two inch diameter iron rod core. Both the primary and secondary cores will be wound with 22 gauge stranded wire with heavy insulation. The charge initiator will be a 12 Volt SLAB (Sealed Lead Acid Battery) and a momentary switch. The central output coil will have terminals to connect various loads. I am going to keep this project as simple as possible. Eventually there will be a feedback circuit to recharge the SLAB.
Based on GiantKiller's preliminary success the Infinity Coil is looking very promising.
Here's to our success...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Z SO ITS A BUILD do you need /want replicaters ? Chet
Howdy Ramset,
Absolutely! I will post all construction details on this thread.
Here is the preliminary schematic...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Z SWEET thanks will follow and replicate as you post info Chet PS I like how this coil came to the world!!
Howdy Y'all,
The coffee is kicking in and I noticed that there are a few details I left out of the initial post.
The name of the coil is representative of the way it works. Look at the diagram in the first post. The annotations on the coils are the voltage phase in degrees. On the top side the phases represent a sine wave. On the bottom side the phases represent an arcsine wave. If you represent both a sine wave and an arcsine wave in the same space you get an infinity symbol. This is more than a name and a symbol, it represents the way the device works. By having eight primary cores electrically you create an infinity wave structure in the device. This is the operational philosophy where the initial charge initiates the wave structure, and the nature of the device allows the wave to continue traveling within the device. The secondary output coil is inductively coupled and is usurping power from the oscillating primaries. The eight primary cores surround the secondary, aligned longitudinally, and spaced at 45 degree increments around the diameter of the secondary. The secondary is inductively coupled so the primary cores need to be in close proximity to the secondary.
I have noticed that there is a lot of bad information out there concerning the Hubbard Coil Whether this is lack of understanding on the writers part, disinformation, or misinformation I don't know. I have been researching the Hubbard coil for close to 20 years. I have built many of the interpretations that I have read about. While this is extremely frustrating it did teach me what not to do. And what I have learned I am putting into the Infinity Coil. I have seen many way overcomplicated interpretations. I have seen on analysis recently which beat the coil to death with math. Bottom line is keep it simple. Real power in nature is NEVER complicated. It may be complex in understanding, but the fundamental mechanism is simple in nature. Same with the Infinity Coil. We are only using one kind of wire on all the windings. The cores are all uniform and fabricated out of the same materials. The circuit surrounding the coil with as simple as possible and not use semiconductors if possible. If we do use semiconductor they will be the most simple, and rugged available. Perhaps the most important thing is the cost. I plan to ferret out the most cost effective, and commonly available materials to fabricate the device.
Remember, keep it simple, and cost effective.
Lightning in a bottle.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Looks interesting invention, I found a new patent (2006) that looks quite similar to that they even talk about hubbard in it
http://www.google.ca/patents?id=vI2XAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=48
Quote from: TheOne on July 12, 2008, 09:24:37 AM
Looks interesting invention, I found a new patent (2006) that looks quite similar to that they even talk about hubbard in it
http://www.google.ca/patents?id=vI2XAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=48
Jes this is similar , BUT this was done and working by HUBBARD
you ca fine some informations here: www.nuenergy.org/pdf/hubbard.pdf
O have lot of pictures an shematas also. If interested i send them.
I is (nearly)the same tat is described in Patents
Gustav Pese
I read that on some site its quite interesting, Do you believe he really used radioactive material? More I think about it more I think he probably used some kind of crystal like in the Testatika machines, something that he found himself outside before experimenting with radium with the company that buy his invention.
Quote from: TheOne on July 12, 2008, 10:14:39 AM
I read that on some site its quite interesting, Do you believe he really used radioactive material? More I think about it more I think he probably used some kind of crystal like in the Testatika machines, something that he found himself outside before experimenting with radium with the company that buy his invention.
I have found my sources now:
> ------------------------------- hubbard
> http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt
http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://pese.150m.com/fe/FE-hubb.html
http://pese.150m.com/hubb/ here you find ALL
http://pese.150m.com/hubb/sparkplug.html
http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206
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hubbard KNOW the radiating metals (as moray.
perhaps only not dangerously ?ow powering sources have done an function as an catalyt (to bring the device in oszillation.
I belive aswell that TESLA CAR have workes with his tubes 70L7 also that way,
that the "active" wmission from the tube "cathodes" have pushed the device.
Remeber that he used an tube that need 70volts heating voltage )instead
12 volt tubes. In that car was installed only one 12 volt accu. So Tesla have "underheated the tube.
The tube have not amplifier or rectified as an "normal working" tube !
So he have used aotherway (and source in that tube.
Even it is know that other inventors have used "little ?harles probes" of radiant sources
to reveive powerfull electrical oscillations.
This devices must not be "suspect" BUT UNEANTED for the energa suppliers...
Not all that "radiate" must be "radio-active rasiating . But anyway , some of this sources are
used from some (most or all) this "inventors"
I dont know the secrets,
http://beam.to/zpe
(if somone have an answer)
Gustav Pese
Possibly you find above the bst collection over Hubbard .
If sombody have other "powerful" links over him.
Pls use (also anonymously possibel) Answerback here
http.//beam.to/zpe
Z whats your opinion on this? I know there are two trails of thought on Hubbard and radiation or not? Chet
Howdy Y'all,
Ramset, the these type transformers use inductive self resonance to oscillate. They generate a strange magnetic flux pattern that forms a vortex in the center coil. This vortex accelerates the the flow of magnetic flux through the device which generates the power gain. I suspect that Soft Particles are the source of energy that we are seeing here. The magnetic flux vortex is drawing Soft Particles in to the device where they disintegrate and manifest as the extra energy. These type devices do not need radiating elements to generate energy. Using a radioactive substance in them would poison everything around the device.
Pese, Thanks for that plethora of information. That is by far the biggest Hubbard collection I have ever seen. What do you think of the Infinity Wave Theory?
More on Soft Particles here...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4255.0.html
More schematics coming. Going to the hardware store today to pick up the core materials. Then I'll have to spend a few days machining the materials. In the spirit of conservation of effort I am going to use the same core design as on the Soft Particle Reactor. The primary cores will be a 1/2 inch inside diameter by 8 inch long iron plumbing pipe. A 1/2 inch by 10 inch long machine screw fills the space inside the pipe and provides more core material, as well as hold the coil together. The secondary will be constructed from a 1 inch inside diameter iron plumbing pipe and filled with 1/8 inch diameter iron rods. I'll build 2 end plates out of some sort of hardwood, I used poplar before. The end plates hold the ends of the bolts, so we can drill an array of 1/2" holes to hold the primary coils in the proper orientation. The secondary coil will be held in place by the primary coils. I am working on the mechanical drawings. I downloaded FastCAD 7.1 to make good electronic copies.
Blessed Be Brothers...
z couple questions can grade 2 1/2 inch threaded rod be used or plain rod ? they make 1/2 inch flat head internally threaded posts for the ends also 1/8 bald rod for the inside? I want to use identical components Iron psi and metals/properties also is ABS or Plexi OK just some ideas to standardize the build This is your show will go with whatever you decide Chet
Howdy Ramset,
The reason I am using machine screws is to hold the coils together. You can use rods if you like. You will have to find another way to keep the coils together. The hardware grade should be as low as possible. The softer the material is the better it will work in this application. This is why I chose iron plumbing pipes for the main part of the core. They are not designed to be structure, rather they are designed to seal well, hence soft iron. The 1/2 inch bolts are the most common you would find at the hardware store. Low grade, cheap price, good for flux conduction. The primary core internal rods are also from the hardware store, in the iron stock section. Most hardware stores have a variety of rod and tube stock. If you can get iron rods that would be best, but low grade carbon steel will work too. Plastic or Plexiglas are acceptable for the end plates. I like using hardwood because I do carpentry and I generally have some nice wood scraps hanging around. You'll notice in my other posts every project I do has wood in it. This coil should scale well. I have been thinking of doing a miniature one for portable stuff, and a giant one to run my air conditioning compressor...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Z Thanks for the info most hardware[cheap stuff] is to grade 2 specs no problem wood only gives me concern in its ability to retain moisture maybe some conductivity? I can research softer rod if you feel it could help [im VERY well connected with these manufacturers] Chet PS nice attic job
Quote from: z.monkey on July 11, 2008, 08:12:41 PM
Howdy Y'all,
This thread is going to document the construction of the Infinity Coil. This device is based on the Hubbard Coil, a free energy device which was build by Alfred M. Hubbard in the early part of the 20th century (1919). There is a legend of this device which powered a boat around Portage Bay, Washington for several hours, with an annotation that the device would periodically levitate. In the Hubbard Coil thread EMDevices is attempting to replicate the Hubbard Coil using Cook coils. GiantKiller has has some initial success with his four air coil setup. My take on this design is eight solenoids connected in series in a loop. The operational theory is that when an initializing, temporary DC pulse is applied to this device can operate for an extended period of time, perhaps even perpetually. Additionally, I am speculating that additional energy can be extracted from the device without altering the initial charge and operation of the device. Theoretically the device can supply a great amount of power, far beyond its initial charge.
The operational theory is that there is a charge that is cycled between the inductors in a loop. Current leads the voltage in an inductor by 90 degrees. This phase delay is the method in which this device works. An inductor is charged, developing a magnetic flux field. As the charging current is stopped, the inductors magnetic field will collapse, generating a current flow out of the coil. The current flows around the loop into the adjacent inductors and develop magnetic flux fields within them. This continues around the loop infinitely. Theoretically there should be a loss of charge as the current encounters the resistance of the wire in the inductors. However the unique nature of a set of coils in this configuration seems to be drawing extra energy from an unknown source. I can speculate that this energy is coming from subspace, the Etheric Plane, or another dimension in spacetime. Truth is I don't know firmly where it is coming from. This is what we are going to figure out here in this thread. I do not know for sure if "free" energy is a physical matter phenomena, or if it something from a alternate plane or dimension.
Initial construction plans call for the construction of eight primary coils which have one inch diameter iron rod cores. The secondary is a single two inch diameter iron rod core. Both the primary and secondary cores will be wound with 22 gauge stranded wire with heavy insulation. The charge initiator will be a 12 Volt SLAB (Sealed Lead Acid Battery) and a momentary switch. The central output coil will have terminals to connect various loads. I am going to keep this project as simple as possible. Eventually there will be a feedback circuit to recharge the SLAB.
Based on GiantKiller's preliminary success the Infinity Coil is looking very promising.
Here's to our success...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Im writing this to save you alot of time that could be better spent.
In your diagram, you will notice that there is one coil between input leads, and many more circling around, the charge will be distributed between all coils simultaneously with an AC signal, with most (80 percent or so) going through the path of least resistance, this being the coil centering the AC input. Upon collapse the charge will have nowhere to go, so if the freq is fast enough, it will be absorbed into the parasitic capacitance of the coil, and recycled for oscillation with the inductance, as all circuits with capacitance and inductance do under the correct conditions, (an effect which could be taken advantage of, but not in line with the workings of this device according to your description) or it will collapse, and the momentum of it will cary on into the negative cycle of the AC current being fed into it. With this setup, 80 percent of the energetic effects will be taking place in one coil alone, and it will not work in a circular pattern. All coils will charge, and all will discharge at the same time. Along with this flaw, you have not taken into account resonance between any of the components.
not that you cant build this device and get it to work, just rethink your game plan.
Good luck!
Howdy armagdn03,
Uh, yeah, that's a preliminary drawing. I had been thinking that the charge needed to be applied at a 180 degree interval to achieve the proper resonance. I'm still working on it. I am just going to give the thing a jolt of DC to start it. From what I have seen so far the charge will self stabilize into an infinity wave. The coils work out their own resonance. Like a self organizing system. Speaking of time, well, I have already put way too much time into this thing. Whats a few more years?
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
I am claiming that this is an Alternating Current device. I have had some people tell me NO, its a pulsed DC device. Clearly, we have seen when the coils break into oscillation the evidence on the scope is a sine wave. Now to me this is alternating current but I guess it really depends on your frame of reference. If your reference is at the bottom of the waveform then yeah, its a pulsed DC sine wave. But if your reference is in the middle of the waveform the you have an AC sine wave. The power in the circuit is doing the same thing, you are only changing your perspective.
I plan on center tapping the output coil to earth ground. This puts the frame of reference "squarely" in the middle of the peak voltages. Hopefully this will end the "Its AC", "No its DC" quibbling...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Got Building Materials?
OK, went to the hardware store and got the pieces and parts for the core. The total bill came to $66.66, wow that's ominous. I managed to get 1/2 inch iron pipe that had enough clearance to get the machine screws in them with out having to bore the pipes out. Yeah! That was a major pain. I got a 1 foot long piece of 1 inch iron pipe with threads on the ends. I'll cut off the threads and what is left is my center core. This only cost $4, compared to the last custom 4 inch diameter core was $30. The 1/2 inch pipe was $17.68 for 120 inches, so $1.77 per foot, not bad. The 1/2 inch by 10 inch machine screws were $1.81 each. The 1/8 inch iron rods are about $0.66 per foot. I also had some garden stuff on my bill so really the total for the core materials as around $60.
So I'll be in the machine shop for the next few days...
Core construction might be the thing that I like best...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
There has been some contention over in the Hubbard Coil thread about how to wind a Hubbard Coil. While I am going to wind some cores in alternate configurations, the Infinity Coil build is going to continue on its original plan.
In the meantime I am machining the core materials into the proper sizes for the build. The iron core elements are getting cut to 8 3/16 inches to fit the machine screws. You have to leave some space in there for the end plates. I don't have a pipe cutter, so I am cutting the core pipes with a hack saw. If you are doing this make sure to mark the pipe all the way around its periphery. This helps to make a more square cut. If the ends aren't square you will have a funny twisted core. I usually cut the pipe somewhere between 1/32nd and 1/16th too long and finish the cut with a file. This helps ensure a clean square cut. The plan on leaving the rods in the center coil loose, on purpose. This will give them a little wiggle room. The reason for this is experimental. I want to know how the magnetic forces are affecting the rod cores, so by leaving them loose the magnetic forces on the core should cause them to jingle when the core is operating. This will give the experimental version of the coils a unique and distinct sound. If we ever produce production copies I would secure the center rods.
Back to the machine shop.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Here are some shots of the build...
Got Core?
Blessed Be Brothers...
Cores after machining...
Central core rods, I didn't buy enough, so back to the hardware store I go...
Lots of cores, lots of work...
Infinity Coil Core!
Got Core?
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Here is an updated schematic of the initial build of the Infinity Coil.
I made some changes yesterday I forgot to mention. I changed the size of the center core. I had specified a 1 inch inside diameter iron pipe. Well, its outside diameter was a little small, 1.325 inches. We want the center core to be twice the diameter of the primary cores. So I increased the center core to be a 1.25 inch inside diameter iron pipe whose outside diameter is 1.67 inches. The primary cores are 0.850 inches, so that is closer to double the diameter. This changes the Bill of Materials a little because I will need more 0.125 inch iron rods to fill the center core.
Changes in the schematic are I took out the steering diode and the cap that was in parallel with the coil. I also removed the feedback circuit, we can mess with that later after the circuit is working. I also changed the way the battery is applied to the primary coils, it is now hooked up 180 degrees out of phase. I think this is the best way to initialize the device. The schematic now only shows what is absolutely necessary for operation in the very most simple form. I figure we want to start from the bottom, it can get more complex later as we need features. I plan on winding secondary winding under the primary drive coils but not using them at this time. Theoretically we can draw energy off any of the cores. The schematic only shows the primary coils. The Infinity wave travels in the primary coils on the primary cores. The output coil on the center core is the power coming out of the very most simple version. However with secondary coils under the primary coils, we can draw power off any of the cores, in two sets of all four phases, and the central output core. So altogether we could potentially have 10 output coils on the device as it is.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Here are some more build details. These are the primary core windings. The primary core secondary winding is #26 magnet wire 480 turns. The primary core primary winding is #20 stranded wire with thick insulation 100 turns. Notice I added terminals on the end plates to attach the small secondary winding wires. I am using electrical tape to hold down the ends of the windings.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Two Primaries...
Three Primaries...
Four Primaries...
Five Primaries...
Sweet project you got there mate. Keep it going ;).
Starting the center core. This core is twice the diameter of the primary cores. It takes a lot longer to wind this one, even thought it is the same length. There are around 480 windings on the center core secondary winding and 100 windings on the center core primary winding. Both the coils on the center core are center tapped and connected together at the center tap. The plan is to use the center tap here to connect the center of the output coil to ground. It is not necessary, I think this device will work OK when floating, but for a permanent installation it would be best to have the device grounded to provide a frame of reference voltage. The ground on the center tap can also provide a supply of electrons for the output coils...
Here is the secondary coil for the center core with center tap...
Very nive build , z.monkey !
Have set you up as Elite member.
Keep on going !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks Broli and Stefan, I appreciate it!
Here are some more pictures. The center core is finally fabricated and in its new home...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Wound Center Core!
Iron rods in the Center Core...
Center Core in its new home. I hope its happy there, I went to a lot of trouble to make it this new home!
Blessed Be Brothers...
Wow, now that is one beautiful build - please, please, please let it work! :D
The secondary seems to fit rather snugly in its new home as well - will it be 'trapped' securely when the remaining primaries are in place, or is there some 'wiggle' room in there? From the pic. it seems millimeter perfect anyway!
I love the elegancy of the simple 'Infinity' design as well, with very few variables, and leaves you thinking, "man, this should work!" - and another past FE design I wasn't aware of :( I eagerly await your 'testing' phase...
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks for the praise Sprocket. I hope it runs beautiful too!
Also the center core is thoroughly wedged in there. The primary cores are tight on the center core but they are separated from the other primaries by about 0.250 inches. This is a function of the core diameters. The primary cores are spaced in 45 degree increments around the circumference of the center core.
Here are some more build pics...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Seven Cores!
Eight Cores! Don't need no mo...
I am glad this thing is wound. That was tedious.
Moving on the connecting the wires...
Blessed Be Brothers...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5144.0;attach=24735;image
Hi Z.monkey
when i look to your original desing in your first post in this topic, i notice that all coils are in circle, when i look to your replication i see your coils not really in the same circle
if you attempt to create an etheric vortex or a string wave it must be in circle from my point of view
from my point of view the energy will come from the central sun, as any atoms of matter, all is power by the central sun
so if you fail do not panic just try in circle then
Howdy Drannom,
The device does work in a loop. It is a magnetic loop and not an electrical loop. The original schematic I posted was an electrical schematic. The forces that we are manipulating are magnetic. Magnetism works at a right angle to electron force. So, the cores are aligned to cause the magnetic force to work in a loop, and spin. And spin it does. That is the reason this device works. There is an electromagnetic spinning effect happening within the core. This EM spinning creates a vortex on either end of the center core. This vortex pumps energy from the environment through the device. The Infinity Transformer is fueled by a source that is universally available and totally intangible. This source is Soft Particles, a quantum form of fuel. I am not claiming that the Infinity Transformer is an OverUnity Device. It is a device which utilizes a naturally occurring energy, which is supplied by the sun, which is universally available, yet totally intangible.
Blessed Be Brother...
so each core inducing in the next one, ok, i stay on my mind for the perfect circle , then the interaction will be other than inducing ? it was my feeling
That is what i was talking about concerning Central Sun (black hole and super light)!
there is other link on that
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html
Quote......
SuperLight is described as the opposite and complementary phase to ordinary light. While electromagnetic radiation - visible light is part of its spectrum - has a strong electric and a weaker magnetic component, in magneto-electric radiation the magnetic component outweighs its electric counterpart.
Milewski proposes a model which sees magneto-electric radiation as the source of gravity, emitted by black holes and traveling at the square of the speed of light. SuperLight has a correspondingly shorter wavelength and higher energy content than ordinary light and is the source of the energy of life, which makes for its connection to the area of healing through increased coherence in organisms.
While physics has tended to exclude life and consciousness from its equations we now have - with Milewski's model - a very real possibility to reach unification with meta-physics, generally considered the purview of faith and religion.
.....
Now, I believe a similar event occurs in the extremely dense and hot matter found in black holes. It is theorized that black holes contain magnetic monopoles and when these extremely dense, extremely small, extremely energetic magnetic monopoles release energy by lowering their orbit they radiate magneto?electric radiation, our SuperLight. So black holes really are not so black. They are radiant beings of SuperLight. Of course SuperLight escapes the strong gravitation forces of the black holes because its velocity is the square of the velocity of light and it therefore, can easily escape.
The current scientific thinking is that in the center of every galaxy in the universe is a black hole. There are billions and billions of galaxies all around us, and they all are producing SuperLight. We are literally bathed in a three-dimensional dynamic energy field, or an "Ether" of SuperLight ? a Dynamic Ether.
.....
and much more at the link
there is electrinium.pdf (find at freeenergy.com) a very simple and complete information on the Central Sun
To others building one of these for the core material take a magnet with you.
The core material shouldn't stay magnetized after stroking it with the magnet in one direction.
Also was told on an electronics forum that when using multiple strands for the core,
each strand should be insulated to prevent excess eddy currents.
A thin layer of Lacquer should do the trick.
One can buy a roll of soft steel wire and cut stands from it to fill the core.
Of coarse the best core would be made from ferrite powder.
But that can get costly.
Howdy Y'all,
In my last post I said the device created a magnetic loop and not an electrical loop, this is incorrect the device is a magnetic loop and an electrical loop. It was late after a long day of winding coils.
Drannom, yes the charge of energy is passed from coil to coil in one direction ad infinitum. I'll look into the Central Sun information.
Abbarue, Yes the rods should be laminated for optimum magnetization. Same holds true for modern AC transformers which have laminated sheets of iron. The reason I chose the materials that I did was availability. I wanted to build this core with the cheapest most commonly available materials to bring the cost down. Making a custom core out of exotic materials would be very costly. This coil weighs 17 pounds and has about $100 of low grade steel in it. Instead of ferrite power build a slug with iron filing scraps from a machine shop. This is a good way to turn those nasty engine blocks into free energy generators.
Loner, Thanks for the praise. I too have tried winding heavy wire on soft cores, it doesn't work very well. I call this a durable core, steel tubes. Look at the history in the Hubbard Coil thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5052.80/topicseen.html
On page three you will find that I was planning on building a EMD version and a Ring Oscillator version of the Hubbard Coil. The EMD version is for EMDevices winding method which is like what you are talking about. The secondary coil of each primary core drives the primary coil of the next primary core down the line, around the loop ad infinitum. The Ring Oscillator version of the Hubbard Coil is what I have built first, the Infinity Coil. Were going to test these side by side to see which one works better. Theoretically, both coils support an inductive loop, one is directly coupled, the other transformer coupled. My theory is the the device needs to be direct coupled because it is a current generator and needs a low impedance to achive high current flow.
I had an idea about the iron rods. At tractor supply you can buy rolls of bailing wire, which is soft iron. When it rusts it turns red, true iron. Of course its in a roll, so you would have to cut it to pieces, and straighten each piece before using them in a solenoid.
Here it the latest picture. I have the coil wired. Now I need to provide some deck space to add the output terminal block and the control switches. The battery is going to ride on the back tab of the mounting bracket for now. I am going to connect the battery to the device using alligator clips so it can be easily disconnected during testing.
Blessed Be Brothers...
@Z
Nice build indeed. Reminds me of the Cook Coil days. lol
So, how are your hands feeling after so many winds.
One thing though. Those washers under the bolt heads and nuts should be removed so there is no chance for the magnetism to jump or spread from one of the eight coils to another of the eight coils. Seems like they are pretty close to each other, almost touching.
Questions:
1) What gives you the idea that the center coil is wound in the manner you have made it with two half primaries. Are you thinking that the outer coils will produce two half fields per 45 degree or is it just to have a center tap?
2) When you made the first outer coil, did you try energizing it to see the magnetic field effect with and without the center rod and measure anything on the secondary?
Good work.
Howdy Wattsup,
My hands are cool. Back in the refrigerated air. I am still working on the magnetodynamics. I was hoping to avoid custom fabricated materials.
The center tap is potentially going to earth ground so we can have +/- voltages on the output coil. This provides, well, uh, a ground, the general reference point for a connected equipment. I think the device will operate OK when floating also. This is in flux right now. Still in design...
No didn't magnetize these cores, but there are plenty of others that I have. I was going to post the specs for all the coils in DC resistance, inductance, gauge, and number of turns. Also working on mechanical drawings...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
After thinking about this for a couple of days I decided to change the schematic once again. The idea is to get all the current and flux flowing in the same direction. I was having some problems trying to initiate the primary coils so that all the coils were charged in the same polarity. I looked at it by applying the charge at 90, 180, and 360 degrees, but in all of these cases there was current in the opposite direction in some of the coils. This would tend to cancel out the current in some or all of the coils. I looked at adding some steering diodes to force the current to go in the direction I wanted, but that is adding unnecessary components and overcomplicating things. Then I came up with this...
Were going to apply the DC charge with a DPDT switch between two of the primary coils. This way the charge is going into the coils in only one direction. Then as we switch out the battery the two wires from the coils are shorted together completing the infinity circuit. The kill switch is also in series with the charge switch so it also simplifies the wiring.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Drannom,
I reviewed the theory of Superlight. It is very similar to a couple of other bodies of work that I have come across. One is Einstein's Unified Field Theory, the other is Cater's Soft Particle Physics. The idea that one underlying source of energy is manifesting itself as all other forms of energy is not new to me. The theory of Superlight is all encompassing. From what I understand light, gravity, magnetism, life energy all have their source in Superlight. Or put another way, Superlight affecting different materials creates these seemingly different phenomena, but in reality it is all Superlight being refracted off different materials, causing different side effects. Some of these materials integrate the Superlight, such as life forms, and the Superlight becomes an integral part of their being. This is a very interesting theory. I am surprised that I have not come across it before.
Perhaps the Infinity Coil is like a macro sized crystal capable of stepping down the Superlight energies to electricity. Or maybe the Infinity Coil is like a synthetic crystal due to its construction. The idea being that we want to slow down the super high frequency energies and redirect their path into the coils of the device. Using a very heavy, high permeability core would generate large friction for the superlight photons. As they slow down they combine into a flow of hard electrons, hence the electric output of the device.
The crux of the matter is that we do not know why the Hubbard Coil works. There are legends and stories, but no data sheets, no physics, no teachers to ask. This thread is a crucible in which we are going to burn away bad theories, erroneous stories, and inaccurate legends until we are left with the truth of why the Hubbard Coil works for all time. The Superlight theory is very close to the Soft Particle Physics theory which I am holding accountable for the reason why the Hubbard Coil works. The Infinity Coil is my recreation of the Hubbard Coil in every conceivable historical detail. If I find there is a better build, I will rip apart the coil that I have made and build another one. I have already done this once. The Soft Particle Reactor was my last attempt at the Hubbard Coil. I had found through further study that my design was wrong. So I ripped apart the Soft Particle Reactor and rebuilt it as the Infinity Coil.
BTW, the build is nearly compete. I have the coil wired. I have added the control switches and the output terminal block on a little deck under the coil. I am adding a lid and a handle tonight, then we start testing. I did hookup my scope last night and connect the infinity loop. Just sitting there on my bench, unstarted, it was generating a 2 Volt sinewave at 400 Hertz. So without adding any energy to the system it is generating a 2 Volt sinewave at 400 Hertz, hmmmm....
Superlight travels at Warp 2 (SoL2)
Blessed Be Brothers...
Hi Z monkey all that much work for just 2v it's not worthed to build.
Anyway thanks for trying and showing to others.
Howdy Guruji,
That is 2 Volts out on NOTHING in. I believe that equates to Overunity...
Blessed Be Brothers...
He's gotta kick start yet.
Quote from: guruji on July 23, 2008, 03:03:55 PM
Hi Z monkey all that much work for just 2v it's not worthed to build.
Anyway thanks for trying and showing to others.
Hi guruji all that much English classes for just skipping text it's not worthed to learn.
Anyway thanks for trying and showing others how foolish you are.
Hello Z.Monkey !
i am happy that you red Superlight theory !
so every black hole is a Super Sun, all black hole get power from the same Source
it means that every atoms and molecules get each second a part of superlight
and there is a lot of ways to catch super light
electrinium.pdf is the best explanation i have got up to now in this forum, i strongly recommand to read chap 1 to 6 or 7 , the rest explain the electrinium device, a way to reflect superlight by compressing molecules
it explain how all energy circulate in the universe, how a candle emit electricity tuning into flame across a resistance and much much more
all is eather, all is from the Central Sun
look to the string wave theory too, there is no smallest particules, only etheric string, they are in circle, and they make full energy directly from superlight, we get energy and they come back as long as they resonnate well
i will put the direct link
from
http://pesn.com/2007/12/06/9500462_ElectriniumBattery/
look for Arthur P. Summera
Solar Radiant Energy
http://chomskyswar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/electrinium.pdf (heu it does not work from here)
or here ! http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf
8)
HI broli or broccoli that's because my mother language is not english.Ok Einstein now show us how much power you can attain from this coil.Maybe if we put wires to your brain we could light the whole universe hahahahhahha.
I don't want to begin useless bickering on this thread but you leave me no choice.
Guess what fuckface my mother tongue ain't English either. I dislike your type the most. Telling other people they wasted their time is one of the biggest insult around here.
Who the fuck are you to tell someone he has wasted his time on doing important research and doing what he loves most. The only people that have wasted their time is yourself and people like me trying to put your likes into their place.
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks for trashing my thread!
Now kiss and make up!
Blessed Be Brothers...
@Z
Did you try to hit just one of the outer coil primary with some DC pulse, manual or otherwise and see with a compass if the magnetic field is entering the center core from both the end (coil placed horizontal) or the center (coil placed vertical). Doing this with varying voltages will give you a voltage range to push the magnetic field outwards and over the center coil. Also you can put a meter on the secondary to see if the coupling between both coils is working and at what voltages applied to the primary. All this will give you some understanding of the dynamics of each outer coil, sort of like a medical exam to see how the components interact with each other under traditional conditions.
Also, did you measure the resistance of all the coils.
One last thought for your primary hook up scheme with eight primaries, Many Tesla patents have shown his standard four primary coil wiring scheme. Well this can be done but in double meaning you can connect primary 1, 3, 5 and 7 in one scheme and then primary 2, 4, 6 and 8 in the same manner then parallel both, or keep them separate and pulse the two four coil sets in alternating method.
Anyways once you have started your testing, these things will become more and more self evident of the multiple driving methods.
Howdy Wattsup,
I measured the resistance of a 8 primaries in series, which was 2.5 ohms. Keep in mind that the primaries are 20 gauge stranded wire. So that is around 0.4 ohms each. I need to measure each coil individually so that I can document the tolerance, resistance, inductance and Q. I have a crude Gauss meter which I use to feel the magnetic field. The Gauss meter is me holding a magnet. I send a low frequency wave into the coil and feel around the cores, holding the magnet in my hand, to determine the limits of the magnetic field. As the voltage goes up the field definitely gets larger. I have several compasses also.
I am not seeing favorable results with the eight primary coils hooked up in series. So, the next test that I had planned on performing is EMDevices Cook Transformer setup. See the Hubbard Coil thread for details. Then we are going to look at alternate arrangements. Looking at Tesla's work is not a bad idea. Hubbard lived in the time when both Tesla and Moray did. I have grown great respect for all three. There are many factors to this device, so testing every possible configuration could be a time intensive and costly endeavor. I had hoped to limit the time and expense by building a durable core that is reconfigurable. This way when one theory doesn't pan out we can relatively painlessly reconfigure the device to try another arrangement.
A note on driving the coils. I have built a fixed frequency generator to stimulate the coil. What I lack is the flexibility for testing. I have to replace caps on a board, and readjust two potentiometers. I plan on adding a multiposition switch for switching in different caps for the band adjustment. Then I want to get a 20 turn stereo potentiometer to do the fine frequency adjustment. So, in essence, I am building an adjustable frequency generator for testing this coil. Oh, sure, I could just go buy one, but where is the fun in that?
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
I have been looking at this schematic for quite a while. At first I had discounted it, thinking there was no designer name and date. Anyone could have made this drawing and it doesn't jive with my conception of the device. But, then there was that nagging feeling that there is something that I am overlooking here. Just one of them things, ya know... So while I have the coil in a series configuration I am going to try this before I proceed with the EMDevices version of the wiring plan for the Hubbard Coil. I have a DC to AC driver board already setup to run at 400 Hertz. I also have a power rectifier board setup for AC to DC conversion. So I should be able to replicate the schematic on the test bench, albeit with out the step up and step down transformers. So I will be directly driving the center coil. Then rectifying the output of the eight peripheral coils to recharge the driver circuit battery and a load.
So were off on a tangent...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Definitely worth trying since you already have it setup!
Jason
Broli you misunderstod what I had sad.I did not tell him that he wasted the time.
I meant that it was a pity for all that time with little results.
Yes even me I don't want to get in to much ping pong conversation for bullsh..t.
Ok ok have a nice day
Bye.
it seems you have your transformers backwards.
Quote from: kinesisfilms on July 26, 2008, 05:29:02 PM
it seems you have your transformers backwards.
Your right.. the ones in the schematic are backwards. Labeled correctly but symbol is wrong.
Jason
Howdy Y'all,
I am not going to use the transformers. I am going to directly drive the center coil with the Analog Driver Board, and then use the power directly as AC. I'll take RMS AC (volt and amp) readings on the drive side, and RMS AC (volt and amp) readings on the output side and compare them. I think I posted a schematic of the Analog Driver Board at the beginning of this thread. It is a biamped audio driver board which has a sinewave generator as its input. I am planning on drawing AC off the output coils to power a load (resistive light bulb) and as rectified DC to recharge the battery.
I'm getting there. I just have to assemble the components. Had to take some time off, been bustin' ass too much and I am really, really tired...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Hi z.monkey,
How is this project coming?
Jason
Howdy 4Tesla,
Got the Infinity Transformer wired up Sunday morning. Then had to do obligatory family stuff and take a nap. Sunday night got the Analog Driver Board setup to do 400 Hertz. Spent a while troubleshooting. Finally got the sine wave input into the device. Right now I am driving the center coil with a 6.5 Volt sine wave, and you can see in the picture there is a 2.89 VAC on the secondary. That waveform is very odd. So its not working correctly yet.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
So I am thinking that there should only be one wind of #26 magnet wire on each core. The cores need to be even closer together than they already are. I am quickly coming to the conclusion that the Hubbard Coil IS an Alternating Current Transformer with some special properties, like extra power gain. It is not self sustaining by itself. It needs to be driven by Alternating Current, and its output is Alternating Current. In the Hubbard Coil Schematic above (or on the last page) there is a note that there is 3X power gain through the transformer. Well, that is a pretty respectable power gain (300%) so that is my new goal for the moment. Hubbard must have had some form of power inverter, and then a rectifier/filter board so that the drive and recharge circuitry could use a normal rechargeable battery.
I definitely need a better inverter circuit. The Analog Driver Board is using TDA2003 Audio Power Amp ICs and is limited to 12 watts RMS Power. I really need something on the order of a couple hundred watts up to a kilowatt. So we are looking at a redesign of the inverter circuit. Also want to get some meatier batteries, like 25 Amp Hours SLABs, (Sealed Lead Acid Batteries). Here is a screen shot of my synthesized sine wave...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, I found a new inverter circuit on the internet.
http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/inverter.asp
This one is beefy, up to a kilowatt, Whoo Hoo! It is a relatively simple circuit with meaty parts that self oscillates at 60 Hertz. It is tunable also by altering the C1and C2 tantalum caps. The guy that designed it intended to use it to step up 12 Volt vehicle power to run small AC appliances. Well, now its going into OverUnity Land. I have the parts, managed to pick them all up last night at the local surplus electronics store. So I still have to assemble the inverter board. I'll have to do some experimenting to determine how I want to hook up the Infinity Coil.
I still have the second core to play with. I haven't wound it yet. The theory of the Infinity Coil is still in flux and I may wind the second core in a very different way. I'll post all the details when I get my thinking straight on the subject. We need to use big wire on the cores to achieve high current flow, But I am thinking that stranded wire with thick insulation might not be the way to go. It is something that I am going to have to experiment with to find the best combination. Cater says you want heavy wire with thick insulation, while my brain is telling me I want heavy wire with thin insulation. Its a flux flow thing between the wire and the core, we'll figure it out...
Blessed Be Brothers...
For 1000W Q1 and Q2 will need to add up to at least 100 Amps each.
What are the values of the rest of the parts?
Could you please post a parts list for us?
Howdy AbbaRue,
Yeah, I'll have to get some hardcore transistors for Q1 and Q2 like the IRFZ44.
Right now using 2N3055.
Here is the Bill of Material...
C1 and C2 are 68uF 25 Volt tantalum capacitors
R1 and R2 are 10 ohm, 5 watt power resistors
R3 and R4 are 180 ohm, 1 watt power resistors
D1 and D2 are 1N4007 silicon diodes
Q1 and Q2 are 2N3055 power transistors TO3 package with heatsinks.
T1 is the center coil of the Infinity Transformer.
I have the board already built. I'll post a picture tonight when I get home. Plan on doing the first test with the new inverter tonight. This must be a tease for you all watching. I have a lot of configurations to try and they do not happen quickly. If I find a configuration that I like and don't want to take apart I have to build a new transformer, not quick or easy. Otherwise I have to take apart the current configuration and rebuild it as another configuration. But the plus side is I am relatively quickly eliminating the configurations that do not work and making progress toward the configuration that does work. Hopefully within a couple of weeks I will have ferreted out the magic combination and we will have an OverUnity Infinity Transformer. I am ready for that prize money, I have certainly spent more than the prize money trying to win. But its all good, and in the end everybody wins with a new OverUnity generator we can use to power all our stuff.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: z.monkey on July 31, 2008, 06:59:45 AM
Howdy Y'all,
OK, I found a new inverter circuit on the internet.
http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/inverter.asp
This one is beefy, up to a kilowatt, Whoo Hoo! It is a relatively simple circuit with meaty parts that self oscillates at 60 Hertz. It is tunable also by altering the C1and C2 tantalum caps. The guy that designed it intended to use it to step up 12 Volt vehicle power to run small AC appliances. Well, now its going into OverUnity Land. I have the parts, managed to pick them all up last night at the local surplus electronics store. So I still have to assemble the inverter board. I'll have to do some experimenting to determine how I want to hook up the Infinity Coil.
I still have the second core to play with. I haven't wound it yet. The theory of the Infinity Coil is still in flux and I may wind the second core in a very different way. I'll post all the details when I get my thinking straight on the subject. We need to use big wire on the cores to achieve high current flow, But I am thinking that stranded wire with thick insulation might not be the way to go. It is something that I am going to have to experiment with to find the best combination. Cater says you want heavy wire with thick insulation, while my brain is telling me I want heavy wire with thin insulation. Its a flux flow thing between the wire and the core, we'll figure it out...
Blessed Be Brothers...
I was looking a the site where you got the schematic and it seems a lot of people have had problems with it.. I would test it first with the 24V, center tapped transformer first and then use your transformer.
Jason
Howdy Y'all,
4Tesla, Yes I had considered that. I powered it up the first time with a bank of D Cell batteries (12Volts). I want to run it on 12 Volts to be compatible with modern systems. It worked good with slightly used D Cell batteries. I could hear the transistors singing. There was around 11.5 Volts AC on the output coils and I was happy. OK, time to kick it up a notch. I took the bank of D Cells off the board, removed the wiring for them, and hooked up a 7 Amp 12 Volt SLAB. I was thinking that I had really simplified the system. I'll be able to run the system feedback on 2 wires instead of 3. I'll be able to make a simpler circuit that is easier to replicate. The whole system was crystallizing in my mind, I could SEE it. Free energy is just a millimeter away. I got everything hooked up. Put my meter probes on the input terminals for the inverter board to watch the voltage drop on the battery, and switched it on. It sang beautifully, and loudly. There was only half the voltage drop as the was with the bank of D Cells. Then everything went dead. CRAP! The Back EMF from the Infinity Transformer blew every piece of silicon on the board. DEAD, TOTALLY DEAD! No more voltage drop, there was no more current flowing. I was afraid of this, using 35 year old parts to drive a super inductive load. I feel like such a sucker...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, another test bites the dust. Using inferior surplus parts apparently isn't going to get the job done. The Infinity Coil is producing some serious Back EMF. How much I don't know yet. It is clearly over 1000 Volts because I was using 1N4007 reverse protection diodes which are rated at 1000 Volts reverse bias. So I am going to spec some new parts. I am probably going to remove the resistors that are in series with the Back EMF suppressor diodes. Also I think that these diodes are going to need to be rated at a much higher current rating. I hate to waste the Back EMF but I need to protect the silicon drivers. This means I need to use some really hardcore transistors, like power MOSFETs or power IGBTs. This means more expense, something I didn't want to do. The plan is to make the Infinity Transformer as cost effective as possible.
Now there has to be another answer. When Alfred Hubbard made this transformer there were no silicon parts at all. So the question is how did he modulate the transformer? Well, nobody knows. I am trying to figure that out. One answer maybe a modulated relay which mechanically switches the current back and forth between the sides of the primary coil. Or there might be a motorized commutator which switches the current between the primary coil sides. I am going to meditate about it for a while. Maybe it will come to me in a pipe dream. Who knows, right now I am damn tired and kind of pissed off that every piece of silicon on my new board is blown...
Blessed Be Brothers...
I would like to start off saying nice work on the device. I would like to ask a few questions.
1) Inductors can temporarily store electricity correct? Looking at what you have built is one big inductor that transfer the electricity in a circle creating a vortex. My thoughts are, that the electricity you put in "sorta" jump starts the device and it keeps going pulling energy from somewhere else unknown. Am i correct?
2) Or its just simply a Over Unity transformer. Even so that would be a big step.
let me know if I'm sorta on the right track here.
Howdy Electrodiode,
Yeah, inductors do temporarily store energy in a magnetic field. However as soon as you remove the charging force they will discharge. Capacitors are the antithesis of inductors, so if you put an inductor and a capacitor in parallel, then apply an alternating voltage they will oscillate like in a tank (radio) circuit. My original hypothesis that the Infinity Coil was a self sustaining inductor device proved to be false. A system is needed. You need a storage battery, a way to modulate the transformer, and a way to rectify and filter the output current to recharge the storage battery. The basic idea was correct, but the original impetus was incorrect. The refined ideas are getting closer, but there is still a lot of development to be done. Like Edison said, "Invention is 1% inspiration, and 99% perspiration" was completely correct. Research is the 1% where you come up with an idea. Development is the other 99% where you turn the idea into a reality. Development is a arduous process. If you can make it through development the you have earned the rewards that should follow.
You are right about there needs to be electricity to perpetuate electricity. You only need a spark to start, but with the right device it should perpetuate itself forever. The trouble is building the right device. An inductor, even a superinductor will not do it by itself. It requires an efficient system which can correctly utilize feedback from the output and simplicity is key to reduce resistive losses. This system requires the original impetus (the battery), a modulator, a super efficient inductor system, and a rectified filtered feedback system. It is not just a simple thing. It requires advanced physics and some help from things that we don't completely understand yet. I believe that the unknowns conform to Soft Particle Physics, but then again I have yet to prove that.
At least I have seen some promising results today, even if it only lasted one second before all my semiconductors got vaporized. The next test will go better...
Blessed Be Brothers...
so the plot get thicker lol. well keep up the good work.
A lot of people were blowing up their inverters with that circuit.. I think you just need a better inverter.
Jason
I would suggest using relays for the pulses for now.
It could save you a lot of money.
And then once you get the bugs out of the system use power mosfets or transistors.
If you play with a buzzer type circuit you should be able to get the right value of capacitors to
make a 60 Hz circuit, or at least close enough to test the principles out.
That's how I would go about it anyway.
@Z
I think what you are experiencing is not back EMF but flyback which is basically a field collapse trying to return to the energy source via the positive.
If you are using a battery to run the unit, put a wire from the primary positive(s) to the battery positive. On each of the wires put a big diode that points towards the battery positive. Meaning current can go from the primary to the battery but not the other way around. Now your flyback will have a good home to go too and the battery voltage will not drop as fast, maybe even not at all. You may be surprised.
For the diode, I wonder if it is possible to find large zenor diodes at let's say 50 volts or even higher. This way the diode would only open when flyback voltages are higher and this will re-charge the battery.
Also, if you can find a dpdt relay that has a small coil that can be unscrewed so it can be removed. Then put the relay mechanism next to one of the 8 coil bolt head and supply dc to the primary of that coil to see if it will latch the relay. They could be used as a successive driving method if you had 8 of these relays with each one on the end of each of the 8 coils. This way, you energize the first coil, it latches the relay to then energize the second coil, and so on until it just keeps turning round and round. Use the center coil as the energy collector.
My main concern is the magnetic saturability (is this a word?) of the bolts used on the 8 coils. I wonder if they have enough iron in them, otherwise you may want to add 8 small magnets on one of the bolt ends to assist in the saturation.
I may be totally off base here but with such a nice coil set-up there are sooooo many possibilities.
Howdy Wattsup,
I like your idea about a magnetically modulated relay. I going to have to think about that for a while. The inverter board does have the flyback diverter diodes they are in series with the 10 ohm resistors. FlyBACK and BACK EMF are the same thing. The diodes I vaporized are 1000 volt breakdown voltage. I'm glad I wasn't touching the terminals when that happened. I also wish I had my scope on it. I bought a cheap piece of crap Korean scope, and now I am paying the price. I gotta take the thing apart and figure out why it quit working, again. There is no shortage of iron in the core. That is the reason for the massive flyback that vaporized my silicon parts. Right at the moment I am toying with the idea of making a oscillating relay, like a mechanical oscillator. I'll see if I can incorporate your idea about using the flux in the core to actuate it.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, just got back from the parts store with some tougher parts. I am replacing the 2N3055s with 2N3773s and replacing the 1N4007s with UF4007s. The back EMF diverters I chose were relatively slow parts. The UF in UF4007 stands for Ultra Fast (75nS). The breakdown voltage on the 2N3773s is 100 volts higher than the 2N3055s. So tonight I am going to replace the burned out parts on the inverter board with the new improved parts and give this configuration another try. Hopefully the board will be happy, if not I may have to find a non-transistorized way to do this.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Hi Z.Monkey,
IMHO, this old French patent really looks like the Hubbard device (and your replication):
FR739458 --- COUTIER - 1932
Autog?n?rateur perp?tuel d'?nergie ?lectrique.
(Perpetual seft-generator of electrical energy)
I have corrected the scanned/'numerised" patent's text spelling (that I got from
http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=fr_ep (http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=fr_ep)) ;
put it on a .html file and had it translated by BabelFish.
I have not checked the whole translation.
It is on: http://freenrg.info/Patents/FR739458_COUTIER/ (http://freenrg.info/Patents/FR739458_COUTIER/)
Hope this help.
Best
Howdy NerzhDishual,
Excellent! It does look very similar to the Hubbard Coil. I noticed he is claiming a 6X gain for each transformer. Hubbard only claimed 3X from what I have seen. Also the Courtier Coil has the outer coils wired in parallel, While Hubbard's and mine are in series. The date on the Patent is 1932, 13 years after Hubbard's public demonstration. I'll have to compare this to the other information I have. Yes it does help.
Thank You NerzhDishual
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Got the new tougher parts installed. The inverter circuit is working again, however the tantalum capacitors overheat and the performance falls off when they do. I am kind of puzzled with this at the moment. These caps I bought at a surplus store, and they are color coded. I am not used to reading color codes on capacitors. They are probably really old. There is a color stripe which is supposed to indicate polarity. So I figure that they overheat because I have them installed backwards, or they are not rated for the voltage I am using. I am going to pick up some new tantalum capacitors today and replace the funny surplus parts. Then maybe I can get on with the experimenting.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: 4Tesla on July 31, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
A lot of people were blowing up their inverters with that circuit.. I think you just need a better inverter.
Howdy 4Tesla,
I don't think the circuit is a bad design for medium power applications. But my needs are heavy duty here. The 2N3055 wasn't designed for inverters, but the 2N3773 is specifically designed for inverters. I need to get better caps, then I think the circuit will work good. It just needed a little redesign, you know that's what I do...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: z.monkey on August 01, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
Howdy NerzhDishual,
Excellent! It does look very similar to the Hubbard Coil. I noticed he is claiming a 6X gain for each transformer. Hubbard only claimed 3X from what I have seen. Also the Courtier Coil has the outer coils wired in parallel, While Hubbard's and mine are in series. The date on the Patent is 1932, 13 years after Hubbard's public demonstration. I'll have to compare this to the other information I have. Yes it does help.
Thank You NerzhDishual
Blessed Be Brothers...
nice work z.monkey. its nearly 20 years since i civil engineered in electronics, did it good then, but. I dont want to disturb, but might be you should go for the parallel setup of the secondary coils, in this way you might avoid this uncontrolled back emf that burn your circiuts. at least i think you then have a chance to study the magnetic behavoir of the ring until you figure out the beast.
blessings to ye all.
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks for the admiration onormanns.
Well, I have had it with power transistors. I can't get the Infinity Coil to work with the inverter board. The new parts work, BTW did have the tantalum caps in backwards, and the inverter board drives an EI core transformer just fine, but won't drive the Infinity Coil. Grrrr....
So switching to a relay setup. So rather than building yet another board I am going to fall back to the Digital Driver Board. It has a driver circuit on it which is a IRFZ44, which should drive the relay good. This board also has a PIC on it so I can program the frequency easy and get it really precise. I'll hook up the relay so that it alternates the positive and negative of the battery on the ends of the center coil primary winding. Yeah it is square wave drive but, well, you know I gotta work with what I got to try and get the Infinity Transformer running. I have already spent a bizillion hours on this thing and I feel like I am running out of time.
BTW that inverter circuit works good once you hot rod it a little. Getting the tantalum caps in right helps too. Maybe that one will be good for a DC to DC converter or something. Its good to have some spare power converters laying around anyway...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
Ah Ha! I think I have discovered Hubbard's Coil secret! The Relay Oscillator!
Joseph Henry invented the electromechanical relay in 1835. This technology was around when Hubbard was doing his early experimentation.
This is the wikckedpedia article about relays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay
I found this relay oscillator when searching for a way to drive my relay.
http://www.elektroda.pl/cir/index/Relay%20Circuits/LOW%20FREQUENCY%20RELAY%20OSCILLATOR.htm
I am still going to use my digital driver board to drive the Infinity Transformer. But this relay oscillator may well have been the driver for the original Hubbard Coils...
Blessed Be Brothers...
@z.monkey
QuoteAh Ha! I think I have discovered Hubbard's Coil secret! The Relay Oscillator!
And it's about time ;D I was wondering when you were finally going to throw those infernal electronics in the garbage where they belong. You should notice that in the french patent posted in this thread the self-oscillating relay (K) is sending a high potential inductive discharge to the center coil----Not AC not DC ---- an inductive discharge current, and there is a very good reason why one would do this. Then when you are done with the relays which have issues you will find yourself looking for better alternatives, you need look no further that Tesla patent 568177 in which an inductive discharge is produced though a rotary commutator using the DC motor as the large self-inductance, this setup does not have the frequency limitations a relay does and can last years longer than any relay ever could. Keep up the good work your getting closer every day ;)
Best Regards
Howdy AllCanadian,
Thanks for withholding that critical piece of information! Ha ha! This is the way development happens. So you think that I shouldn't use the Digital Driver Board to drive the relay and go with a relay oscillator circuit only. Well, that would make it a LOT cheaper. Plus I don't have to worry about inductive spikes vaporizing my PIC. I mainly live in a digital land and it is a hard thing for me to put down my sophisticated electronics and think in fundamental electrical land. I managed to do it with the Infinity Coil, it is the driver circuit that got me all forked up. The output side is relatively straight forward, rectify and filter the output to feed it back to the battery.
OK, then we will do it that way, relay Oscillator it is! "Keep it simple, stupid." I have been saying this to myself from the beginning. Too bad I can't even listen to myself. I'm gettin' all wiggly again...
Blessed Be Brothers...
@z.monkey
QuoteThanks for withholding that critical piece of information! Ha ha!
T.H. Moray once said "In fact, no one can prove anything to those who cannot prove the matter to themselves" these are very wise words to heed, I will help anyone but to give the answers away spoils the fun--- the process of discovery and understanding for ourselves is the best part of the journey we are all on.
As far as mechanical setups go I had to ask one simple question over a year ago---- If mechanical switching ensured a maximum efficiency and did not waste energy through heat generation and this lack of complexity thus waste led to free energy, then would the few dollars to replace a few commutator brushes annually be justified? I think we all know the answer to that question ;D
Im an electronics guy as well, but I have come to understand the benefits of simplicity and most important the maximum efficiency that can be attained.
Best Regards
Howdy AllCanadian,
I understand completely. I work in R&D, the best part of my job is taking a theory and making it a product. You find out what works and what doesn't. I often think of this process as eliminating what doesn't work, which sometimes leads to spectacular failures.
Here is the plan for tonight. I already have a nice relay from my Soft Particle Reactor that I can use for the Infinity Transformer. I have to dig through the toy box to find some caps and resistors and then I am going to try this circuit. This wiring setup will alternate the positive and negative onto the ends of the center primary coil of the Infinity Transformer. I'm shooting for 60 Hertz, but may have to settle for less if the relay can't handle 60 Hertz.
This is where I was at a few months ago with the Free Energy Demon thread. Gotta have some sparks to make Free Energy.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: NerzhDishual on August 01, 2008, 03:23:01 PM
Hi Z.Monkey,
IMHO, this old French patent really looks like the Hubbard device (and your replication):
FR739458 --- COUTIER - 1932
Autog?n?rateur perp?tuel d'?nergie ?lectrique.
(Perpetual seft-generator of electrical energy)
I have corrected the scanned/'numerised" patent's text spelling (that I got from
http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=fr_ep (http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=fr_ep)) ;
put it on a .html file and had it translated by BabelFish.
I have not checked the whole translation.
It is on: http://freenrg.info/Patents/FR739458_COUTIER/ (http://freenrg.info/Patents/FR739458_COUTIER/)
Hope this help.
Best
jes its like hubbard
hubbard have connected his coils in serie (higher viltages (and power)
this french guy in paralle to have more amps (and also power)
(its sayd here more power offcause the satellit coils,
(But hubbard have also used (possible) RADIUM in it.
So this guy her have also used that (but not say in the patent
(to hold this secretly) Without it seems inpossible)
Pese
GERMAN TRANSLATION (from french) avaiable from me
ask: http://beam.to/zpe
Howdy Y'all,
Well, I got the Relay Oscillator working but didn't like it wave symmetry. It was short pulses with long delays in between. So I fell back to the digital driver board driving the relay and the alternating positive and negative voltage on each end of the primary center coil. It is ticking at 20 Hertz. The AC Voltmeter was reading around 20 Volts, while there were spikes on the oscilloscope that reached up to 80 Volts. I still have a current deficiency, probably a drained battery from all the experimenting. I'll let the battery charge overnight and try again tomorrow. The relay contacts were making brilliant blue/green sparks. I tried to take a picture of them, but they were all blurry, too close. Really tired right now. Here is a picture of the new setup with the Digital Driver Board and the Relay...
Edit. I noticed declining performance from the relay after a little more playing with it. I took the relay apart and noticed that the contacts in the relay go so hot they melted the solder connecting the wires to the contacts. The socket is melted where the conducting wires are. This is a small SLAB and this relay is destroyed after playing with it for a little while, like an hour total. Obviously this is not going to work. I am going to need a commutator or a heavy duty relay. Something that can handle a lot of current and the radiant kickback that I am getting. Ulgh...
Blessed Be Brothers...
@Z
I have a question for you. What I would like to know is when you had considered winding the coils, where in the Hubbard literature did you find that mentioned winding a primary coil over a secondary coil. That particular point was not really squared away solidly in my brain and am still thinking that such a winding is currently considered a best guess scenario.
What I mean is maybe there is no use of the secondary coils.
Consider that a standard transformer with a core works by one coil varying the saturation level of a core onto which another coil is wound. As long as the first coil is varying saturation, the second coil will receive the transfer. Pretty basic stuff right. Well what if the center core being much bigger mass and having a much bigger primary then the outer coils, well what if you simply hit this primary with a high voltage spike. Chances are this spike will generate enough magnetism in the center core to envelope the outer eight cores, who get some variable saturation and impart this to the outer coil windings.
Just thinking out load here.
Also, the size of these coils, the time it will take to build the impulse, saturate the core, transfer to other coil, etc., to me spells low to moderate pulsing frequency. You don't have to pulse this all that fast.
I am showing a photo of something I made last week. I needed a commutator so I took a 1/2 hp DC motor. I removed the rotor that has the commutator on it. I removed the coils and the armature plates to only be left with the bearing, shaft and commutator. I also removed the stator magnets (not shown). I then reassembled the motor and presto, I now have a nice commutator working with the original brushes.
The commutator has 16 terminals so I paired them two by two, connecting two terminals of one side to two terminals of the opposing side. Did this on two pair leaving me with two pairs empty. So I now have longer on and off times. I could also do it by switching only every second terminal but decided to try it this way first.
I connected this to a dc motor that was run by a battery. The commutator was positioned in a set-up used when doing the @allcanadian circuit. Turned on the system and within 2-3 seconds voltage was already at 600 volts, something my last set-up with a relay did but it took at least 2 minutes to get that high. The DC motor was also the source of high induction which is great for generating high voltage spikes. My next tests will be to use instead of one output transformer, use a series of smaller transformers and parallel the secondaries to see if I can lower the voltage and increase the output amperage.
So maybe such a simple commutator will be good for the Hubbard coil or for others looking to do some high grade pulsing.
Howdy Wattsup,
The reason to put two windings on each core was purely experimental. I wanted to have a low impedance winding and a high impedance winding on each core. This gives me more flexibility in experimentation so I don't have unwind the core and put another kind of wire one it. I figured the two windings could live together amicably.
I like the idea of using a DC motor commutator to pulse the Infinity Transformer. Especially after melting my relay. After watching the blue green sparks coming off the contacts of the relay I began thinking that I should be trying to harvest the radiant energy at that point. Instead of using a cluster of coils, I only need one to develop a mondo electromagnetic field. Apply the power with a relay so I get some nice sparks, then use some heavy duty steering diodes to harvest the radiant energy directly from the single inductor. Imhotep helped spawn this idea in my mind with his Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Light. My mind is racing with ideas. I need to win the lottery so that I can devote full time to the Quest for Radiant Energy...
Blessed Be Brothers...
All the pieces coming together NICE Chet
PS Z amazing build!!
Wattsup great idea!!
@Z
Thanks for your explanation of your winding strategy which is very right and smart. At least we know this is all experimental.
What I will do is prepare for you a wiring diagram that if used will show the dynamics of these coils.
I need to know if you have these items.
1) Do you have any capacitors on hand. Please say yes.
2) Do you have another DPDT relay to replace your burnt out one?
3) Do you have a small magnet.
4) Do you have a compass. If yes, use it to identify where is the Earths north pole.
5) Do you have a variable DC power supply.
6) Do you have a 12 volt battery.
7) Do you have a volt meter.
While I make the diagram can you try one small thing. If yes........
You will need items 3, 5 and 7.
1) First you have to standardize the coil polarities. I suggest making the bolt head side north and the bold nut side south, so if all the coils, including the center coil are wound the same way just use dc voltage on any primary to identify the north and south with your compass and remember where the positive and negative go on the coils to always keep this configuration.
2) Now turn the Hubbard coil assembly so that the bolt head is facing north.
3) Place your compass beside any one of the 8 outer bolt heads. The north of the compass should be pointing away from the bolt head.
4) Now apply 1 volt dc to that coil. You can manual connect and release (pulse) the coil to see if the compass is moving.
5) Increase the voltage by 1 volt increments, pulsing if you have to until the compass north is now pointing to the bolt head.
6) How many volts are required to hold the compass north pointing to the bolt head. This is the outer coil voltage or OCV.
7) Do the same thing for the center coil primary and see what voltage is required. This is the inner coil voltage or ICV.
8) Now put your volt meter on the inner coil primary and manually pulse any OCV at its known voltage. Do you see the meter moving. Now put the volt meter on the inner coil secondary. Do you see a reading.
9) Now put your volt meter on the outer coil primary and manually pulse the ICV at the known voltage. Do you see the meter moving. Now put the volt meter on the outer coil secondary. Do you see a reading.
This information will be helpful in understanding the coil dynamics, meaning how much juice is required to get this device breathing and to acquaint yourself with the coils. Try and keep these results on paper for future reference.
What I am trying to understand is the energy required to produce a field. If after 12 volts dc, you come back and say the compass never moved, this will tell us one thing and if you come back and say the compass turned to the bolt head with only 3 volts, this will tell us something else. If you manually pulsed the inner coil primary with 6 volts and are reading 6 volts on any outer coil primary or secondary, this will tell us more. lol
@wattsup
Thanks for the diagnostic concept, I know this should be common sense
when building any coil circuit, but I never thought of it.
I usually just check the inductance of the coils and go from there.
Howdy Wattsup,
Right off the top of my head I can tell you this core has really good magnetization. The peripheral core flux flows in the opposite direction than the center core flux. The flux field was very strong when I was pulsing the transformer last night. I could feel the pulses like 5 inches away from the cores (bolt ends). I hold a magnet in my fingers and feel around the core while it is pulsing. When I get the magnet close to the core the pulses are very strong. The configuration of cores that I am using makes a cylindrical magnetic field where the center core develops the main field and the return field is in the peripheral cores.
I will run the magnetization experiments, but not right at the moment. I need to get away from this thing for a couple of days to clear my thoughts and think about how I am going to pulse it next.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Wattsup,
I noticed something when I was playing with the compass and the coil. The bolts are partially magnetized. This, I guess, was to be expected because the cores are low grade steel. I have all the things on you list except a variable power supply. I don't want to use line AC, I got a thing against the transmission line power distribution. But I do have plenty of batteries.
I noticed that all the coils produce a good magnetic field even at 1.5 Volts (one D size battery). I'm using the high impedance windings when testing with the compass. When I am pulsing the center coil secondary (high impedance winding) at 12.4 volts the peripheral core secondary windings (high impedance windings) connected in series produces 5.1 volts AC. So around 0.64 volts per peripheral core winding. The interesting thing here is on the scope the induced voltages are very sharp spikes and not AC like sine waves. This coil produces short duration high amplitude spikes when current is pulsed through it. This might have something to do with the core construction, relatively long solenoids. A typical solenoid is an inch to an inch and a half long. These are 8 inches long.
I keep going around and around about which is the input and which is the output. Is the inner coil the input, and the peripheral coils the output? Or visa versa? If this thing really is a transformer it should be able to be used both ways.
OK, I got an idea, I'll be back in a minute...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Howdy Y'all,
Sir! Excuse me Sir! Would you kindly step completely out of the box. Sir! can you hear me?
He he, OK hooked up a DC Motor in series with the primary coil (low impedance coil) on the center core. I hooked up the AC voltmeter in parallel with the primary coil. I get a AC voltage of 0.185 V on the primary core and 0.940 V on the secondary winding. This is what I expected because there is about a 1 to 5 ratio difference on the windings. Most of the voltage drop is across the motor at this point. On the peripheral cores I get 0.195 V on the secondary coils (high impedance coils) wired in series, and a negligible 0.036 V on the primary coils (low impedance coils) wound in series. What I was attempting to do here was use the motor as the current switching device, which it is, but most of the voltage drop is across the motor. But we can see, even though the voltages are small there is a transformer effect.
I still have a current deficiency. As I continue to increase the current across the center core primary coil we will see the peripheral voltages get higher. I am still not saturating the core with flux, not supplying enough current to do that yet. The next logical step is to use a motorized commutator which is capable of switching current at a level which is able to saturate the core. Then we will start to see what this thing is supposed to do...
Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Been following this thread from the start Z.Monkey. Very nice unit you've built there, hope it goes well for you. :)
@Z
Some very interesting things going on there. I forgot to mention that when you check the bolt head magnetism with the compass it may be necessary for you to find an aluminium sheet on which you can cut a hole to pass the bolt head through so as to try and block the field comming from the coil winding itself. This is always the difficult thing to do because when you check the bolt head, is it the metal itself or the coil field that is influencing the compass movement.
But from what you are saying about the bolt material, I am not so surprised because those bolts did not look to me as though they are true iron. So at least you know what is the limitation in terms of core saturation. I do not think you can count on the cores to make this device work, and based on this, we do not know if it is even in th same league as the true Hubbard coil. This is always again the problem when we decide to build something before one can convene on a strategy.
Yes some will say, just build it, but again, the more points you take into consideration from the outset, the better prepared you are for testing and expected results.
So in essence, your Infinity coil is a semi-saturable cored multi-transformer.
I will prepare a few diagrams for you to try which I am sure will give you better results. These will be mostly based on the Tesla Ozone Patent, Erfinders Challenge circuit and also @allcanadians' small circuit. All these are designed to provide a good strong solid high voltage spike going into them primaries that would be configured either in parallel or in series but most likely a mix, with let's say 2 x four primaries in parallel then put in series, or 2 x four primaries in series starting at opposite sides then in parallel.
In all cases, I would put the 8 secondaries in parallel (never in series) and measure power transfer, then measure power off the center primary and secondary to compare.
Also, using the DC motor will not do the switching because most DC motor brushes are wider then the commutator sections, so there is always the next section that is already in contact. You would have to do like the photo I posted above of a modified commutator.
But you can do this with a dpdt relay for now just to see the effects. You will need a 12 volt battery, a dpdt relay, a nice 47mf (or so) 200 volts or more capacitor and the biggest regular transformer (use the secondary only) you may have. These coupled to the Infinity coil should give you the starting results you are looking for and the best point from which you can then play with the Infintiy coil wiring schemes. Just be carefull because I had some nice jolts when touching the wrong wires at the wrong time.
In general, if you look at the diagram located here and replace the 240vac transformer with the primaries of the Infinity coil, you should see some better results.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg77661.html#msg77661
You can use a large cap and diode on the secondary side to see how fast the voltage will rise.
This whole thread has good information.
All the best.
Howdy Y'all,
Yucca, thanks for the praise.
Wattsup, yeah, a LOT of factors to consider.
I have a 10 Amp relay that I can use to drive the coil without it overheating. I'm going to stick with the relay driving the coil and the PIC board driving the relay for the current experiments. When I go to an alternating commutator I want to build it myself, already have a plan, not the time.
There are some relatively cheap and quick modifications I want to do first. I have the coils squished together. I think this is hindering the return flux on the outside of the coils, in the air. I am going to make new end plates to change the distance between the coils. Then in the process I am going to change the peripheral coils wiring to be parallel. This means adding another 16 terminals to the end plates. I think that having the peripheral coils wound in series is causing wave contention, hindering the output. With the peripheral coils in parallel the waves will be in phase.
There is another scenario I am considering. This is testing driving the peripheral coils and using the center coil as the output. A set of 4 relays controlled by the PIC board, each driving 2 opposite peripheral coils. The coils would be energized in sequences around the device. This would create the spinning flux effect that I have been looking for. Another way to do this would be with a compound commutator which has a brush for each coil. The timing for such a device could be set with a series of brushes around a distributing commutator which would function very much like a automotive distributor, except that it distributes current, not high voltage. Both these scenarios are pretty expensive.
Blessed Be...
@Z
Before you make your changes, here is a very easy test you can do and I am sure you will learn alot about the infinity coil.
You need a 12 volt battery. Measure the voltage of the battery before you start.
A - Use any large regular step down transformer. The biggest one you have and use only the secondary.
B - Use non-polarized capacitor in the 47uf range - 200-400 volts.
Put the 8 primaries in series or if they are already in parallel, try it with parallel first.
Put the secondaries in parallel of if they are is series, try it with series first.
The Red and Black dot is the secondary output that you can put a diode and a high voltage capacitor of 1200v with the highest uf you can find.
Put your meter at M- and M+ to check the voltage rise.
Here's where the fun starts.
The two wire at C. Just manually touch them together and release and see what happens on the meter reading. You can do this faster or slower manually.
Then you can put the 8 coils in series or parallel and see the differences.
You can also try with different A and B. You can try with all or some of the 8 coils.
If you keep this set-up and just do some peripheral changes, this will teach you much more then changing the whole system.
If none of this gets your blood boiling, then the primary to secondary coupling action of the coils may need some tinkering, but don't do anything before.
If it does show some good action on the meter, you can then imagine the effect if the wires at C were pulsing off a relay or other method.
You can leave the center coil alone or use it in the variables as you wish.
The main point to learn something about this coil is to keep a base driving method the same and change peripherals to see the changes in the system. You will learn much more this way.
Sorry for the diagram quality it is more a block diagram. My circuit diagram skills stink.
By the way, this circuit is taken directly from @allcanadian's circuit. This and Erfinder's circuit is the simplest, yet the most effective driving method I have seen so far. You can also look at the Tesla Ozone Patent which is the base for all this.
Oh yeh, check the battery voltage once in a while. You may be surprised.
z.monkey,
Have you considered driving your coil directly as a part of a oscillator? You can use your thin winding as a trigger coil
and your thick winding as a power coil. The attached circuit describes that. The bonus of such a solution is less loss
than an external driving circuit and also that you can charge a second battery from the back emf spikes. The resistor
value may need to be changed in your configuration. Higher value on the resistor gives you less base bias and less
power in the coil. If the transistor (of your choice) heats up then increase the resistor value. Another factor to consider
is that your coil will oscillate at the lowest loss possible. If your power coil has a very low resistance and inductance
then it may be needed to put more power transistors in parallel. Also use a big heat sink.
Just a thought.....
Regards,
Groundloop.
Z you have to see this coil [user sirmikey] Chet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
Quote from: ramset on August 23, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
Z you have to see this coil [user sirmikey] Chet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
So... we have a brass rod (a conductor) and a coil (another conductor) separated from each other by some heat shrink tubing (a dielectric).
Hmmm... two conductors with lots of surface area separated by a dielectric... <scratches chin>
Sounds like a capacitor to me!!!
This guy is drawing power from the mains through a capacitor (which must have considerable impedance at only 60 Hz) and powering some LED bulbs and he thinks he has free energy.
Howdy Y'all,
Wattsup, I will definitely try your circuit this week. I have the time to play with my toys this week. Your circuit is feeding back the EMF to the battery through the high impedance winding of the power transformer. Connecting the two wires discharges the cap into the Infinity Coil peripheral core primary windings generating a magnetic field. disconnecting the wires allows the flyback to go into the battery through the high impedance winding of the power transformer. Output power is provided from the Infinity Transformer peripheral core secondary windings connected in parallel attached to the steering diode and storage capacitor. Soon were are going to have a whole science here. I can imagine all the different configurations and possibilities. Weird Ass Inductors 101, your instructor, a spiritual medium channeling the spirit of Nicola Tesla.
Groundloop, I used the primary coil of the Infinity Transformer as part of an oscillating circuit when I tried the solid state inverter circuit on page 2, post #71. I agree the thing needs to oscillate, but we need a hard contact and not semiconductors. Look at posts 92 through 95. We also need sparks to appease the Free Energy Gods, they like sparks. See the Free Energy Demon thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4429.0.html
A self oscillating circuit would be the cheapest and easiest to manufacture, and replicate. But for experimental purposes I need more flexibility now. So we are using the PIC driving the relay for now. In the future having an elegant self-oscillating circuit (like yours) will be the way to go..
Ramset, interesting circuit. I had often though that using a LC tank circuit you could extract power from the AC lines with out making the meter move. I guess that is Free Energy. I like the music too...
Techobear, even though the coil is utilizing line current doesn't mean it can't be tapping free energy. Definitely a new and interesting capacitor. The rod is inducing current flow in the coil generating a potential difference which is rectified by the bridge rectifier and then fed to the string of LEDs. We would have to run the power in / power out test to see if it is tapping free energy or if it just parasitic power.
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
NerzhDishual, Pese, Wattsup, take a look at this drawing. This was sent to me by a friend in China (I think) and he said it was from a Russian website (www.skif.biz) which is in Russian, I can't read it. But there is a google translator which he said that I could use to translate the site, working on that.
So this circuit looks to be a compound LC tank circuit which rectifies its AC output but not filter it and feeds the pulsed DC back into the primary coils on the peripheral cores. I am not sure how you would start the circuit either, but it looks as though you could just give it a pulse of DC to start it, like the original thought I had when I started this thread. The tank circuits would help to sustain the original charge and perhaps boost it to maintain the charge in the device. The resonant LC Tank circuits keep the device in oscillation, then you can draw off excess current? This is the first time I have seen this configuration.
Thanks for taking a look...
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, this is another circuit diagram from my friend in China which is apparently from an American Patent. I have seen this before but I can't place which patent it was from. Does anyone know off hand before I go manually search through all the relevant patents? It kind of seems like the original Hubbard Patent, which I will check first...
OK, thanks again....
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
Looking at the Xabbard-Coil.jpg drawing, it seems that each independent LC circuit would need to be tuned independently to the same frequency. You would need uniform coils and equal caps. Then for the center coil and the isolation transformer you would need to custom fit the capacitance to match the uniform peripheral LC circuits. By getting everything to resonate at exactly the same rate this circuit could be the self sustaining generator we have been looking for...
This is a picture of their build...
Blessed Be...
Glad to see ya back and working on this! ;)
Jason
Howdy 4Tesla,
Yeah, I ran the gauntlet this summer. I don't think I have ever worked so hard, ever. My wife is a cruel slave driver. So, do you have any opinions on this new information from the Russian free energy website? I have it running around in my brain. I am kind of scatterbrained because of all the different concepts for just this on transformer setup (Infinity Transformer). No I not only need to learn German to read Victor Schauberger's books, but I need to learn Russian to read their free energy website. Uulgh... The never ending learning curve....
Blessed Be...
I still don't understand how this works, but looking at the site. Here is a link to translate with Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skif.biz%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t
Click on the "Translate this page" link
Jason
Howdy Y'all,
Referencing the Xabbard-Coil.jpg drawing above notice that there are LC tank circuits on all the secondary (I think) windings that are only inductively coupled to the rest of the circuit. I think this circuit is starting to resonate in my brain. The LC tank circuits keep the device oscillating. While the primary coils on all the cores are for interaction with the outside world. The center coil (Zylinder in der mitte) is the output which is coupled through a isolation transformer to supply the output. This output is also full wave rectified and is fed back to the primary coils on the peripheral cores (8 Zylinder auBen) which are wired in series. The isolation transformer is an unknown, but it graphically has equal length coils so it would seem to be 1:1 winding ratio.
I am good at winding coils so that is no problem. But we have few details here other than the schematic. Assuming that we want all the tank circuit to resonate at the same frequency then we could calculate or measure the inductance of the coils, then extrapolate the value of the capacitor by solving the resonant frequency equation for C. Then mix and match caps to get exactly the right value.
I had always figured that the self sustaining electric generator would work like a tank circuit, but this is not what I had in mind. The Xabbard-Coil.jpg schematic has 12 LC tank circuits in it. So this circuit is pretty close to what I have already. I'll need an isolation transformer to set it up. I need to figure out the inductances on the coils that I already have wound, then get the appropriate capacitors. So then I only need to wire it up. I think that I am going to give this arrangement a try next.
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
This excerpt is from a book called "Unveiled Mysteries". This is Saint Germain speaking to Godfre' Ray King explaining the nature of free energy. This is yet another divine affirmation that free energy is a real and tangible thing which we can, given enough research, achieve...
Blessed Be...
Is there any mention of the method that should be used to
collect or use this energy "by mechanical means"?
That might be usefull info... ;)
Howdy Koen1,
"Unveiled Mysteries" is a spiritual book, it doesn't go into technical details (wah). But it does describe in great detail how to elevate your consciousness to a level where you can learn from the universal spirit (God) all that is necessary to construct the device. I believe the Infinity Transformer is really close to being able to do this. It just needs the fine tuning to bring it into resonance and it should be able to do this (convert this atmospheric energy to usable electricity). I have known about this finer unlimited energy for a long time. I have been calling it soft particles. Saint Germain's description is more vague that mine. So I have a little spiritual work to do first and then I am going to get the Infinity Transformer working. Here is a link to "Unveiled Mysteries".
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item131
Blessed Be...
Right, I was afraid of that. ;)
Here's another link to an online version of the book: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/um/index.htm
I just hoped that, since the quoted text you posted specifically mentioned the possibility to
harness that "fine electrical" force using mechanical means, some suggestions as to
how this could be approached would be included... But so far I haven't been able to find any.
Just a lot of spiritually inclined stuff, lots of speculative stuff on subtle energy though...
Feels somewhat theosophical... :)
But thanks for the feedback Z.monkey! :)
Keep up the good work on your infinity coil! :D
Howdy Y'all,
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Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, I have reviewing this design for some time, almost a month. While I believe that the device that Alfred Hubbard build in the early 20th century was a functional working model. I also believe that the information we have has been tainted by omission. Am I surprised, no. It is perfectly congruent with the modus operandi of the malevolent "powers that be" to alter documentation to leave researchers without a key piece to the puzzle, therefore stifling their work. This is to be expected and I was preconvinced to this aspect of their games. However I thought that the missing piece would have been easy to ferret out as the construction of the Infinity Transformer proceeded. Well, I underestimated this aspect, and have been stuck on it for some time.
I know that the subconscious mind works in mysterious ways. The the best way for you to let your subconscious mind work on a problem is to forget about the problem consciously. So I endeavored to work on other things and put the Infinity Transformer in the very back most darkest corner of my mind. It is fortunate that I have many other things to work on, as this helped the Infinity Transformer fester in the back of my mind. There are many similitudes of the Infinity Transformer which helped me come to the conclusions that I have. The first of these is radio which acts upon the ethers to bring far reaching signals into clarity. Giantkiller's Self Resonant Coils were another, albeit high frequency. The Xabbard Coil setups from the Russian web site which I can't read. Then the tiny bit of information from St. Germain, which was helpful and totally cryptic at the same time. All these ingredients were in the festering pot of Infinity Transformer Chili brewing in the back of my mind. The pot would periodically boil over and come to my attention. I would spend some time contemplating the reasons why and ultimately stir the pot, then stick it back in its dark corner, convinced that it was not done cooking yet. The one concept that kept surfacing is a compound LC tank circuit with closed loop feedback, whatever that means. Ultimately I would realize that the Xabbard Coil schematic diagram is representing this. It was something that I had already thought about but didn't comprehend, compound LC tank circuit with closed loop feedback...
This was becoming bothersome, even annoying, compound LC tank circuit with closed loop feedback. I began to ponder why would we have 9 LC tank circuits in close proximity. Its a bunch of radio circuits in close proximity why would anyone want to do that? Closed loop feedback, WTF??? Then BAM! it forking knocked me over. It's not the tank circuits its the feedback loop. The LC tank circuits are in close proximity with closed loop feedback to allow the feedback to reach the greatest amplitude. The power is generated by the feedback loop. Somehow, not sure how yet, the feedback is causing the gain to go exponential. When this happens the circuit is going to generate excess power which can be drawn off the circuit to be used externally to the device. The circuit is done festering!
So now we can continue building and experimenting. First I had to calculate the inductances for my coils. Then pick a frequency for the tank circuits. Next I have to calculate the capacitor values to reach the target frequency. Then build the circuit. I have 4 different sizes of coils on the Infinity Transformer.
Peripheral Core Primary Winding = 4.9 Millihenries
Peripheral Core Secondary Winding = 113.4 Millihenries
Center Core Primary Winding = 17.2 Millihenries
Center Core Secondary Winding = 395.6 Millihenries
Target Frequency is 60 Hertz
Peripheral Core Primary Winding is the feedback induction
Peripheral Core Secondary Winding Capacitor = 62 Microfarads
Center Core Secondary Winding Capacitor = 17.75 Microfarads
Center Core Primary Winding Capacitor = 409 Microfarads
So how long has it been since you had a hot steaming bowl of Infinity Transformer Chili?
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
OK, here is the circuit that I am going to test next. I have fallen back to using the inverter for this test so I can get 60 Hertz 120 Volts on the peripheral primaries. I am moving toward the Xabbard Coil setup just to experiment with it. Mainly for this test I am looking at the resonant LC tank circuits connected on the secondaries of all the core. I want to get the coil tuned to resonate at 60 Hertz so I think this setup will let me do that.
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
For lack of a better place to post these I am putting them here.
Document about Tesla's electric car and others...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item140
Document about Tesla, Moray, and the J-Cell...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item141
Extensive, comprehensive information about Stanley Meyers and the Water Fuel Cell...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item142
Document about Quarternionic Electrodynamics...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item144
I found all these when searching for information about Tesla's Radiant Power Generator...
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
This is T. Henry Moray's book "The Sea of Energy in which the Earth Floats", good stuff....
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item150
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
Updated information on The Philadelphia Experiment and Thomas Townsend Brown...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item151
Blessed Be...
Thanks but the last 2 pdf files appear to be corrupted.
Z thanks but yes I had the same problem Chet
Howdy Y'all,
OK, reposted them with different names....
Philadelphia Experiment Revisited...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item153
Sea of Energy...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item152
Blessed Be...
:(
Hi there,
has this thread stopped? Z-Monkey how is it going?
Just one comment. I know the tank solution looks promising, but do you think hubbard used caps?
regards
Howdy Ourbobby,
No, not stopped. Been working on the "Monkey Do" list for the wife...
As for the Infinity Transformer I have some tuning to do. There are three different types of tuned circuits, and 10 coils to tune. The goal is to get them to within 1% of the target frequency which is 60 Hertz right now.
The inverter circuit is out, falling back to the Analog Driver Board (12 Watts). It has a Wien Bridge Sine Wave Oscillator circuit. I am going to modify that circuit to be variable. This is going to require a 4 pole rotary switch and a stereo potentiometer. This way I can vary the oscillator and test for resonance with my scope and voltmeter.
Hubbard did use series capacitors, see the drawing in post number 62. I was excited to find that drawing. But I am more excited about the Xabbard Coil drawing.
So I have to tune each coil for resonance. What I have found is the winding an inductor and then matching a capacitor to it is not a good way to make an LC tank circuit (after all the coils are wound). First you have to find a specific value capacitor which is impossible, then add little capacitors to tune the circuit. So in hindsight I have found that I am going to have to pick the right capacitors and then wind the coil to resonance. So ultimately this is why I haven't made much progress on this project, I have to go back and modify every coil. I want to pick high quality capacitors for superior tolerance and performance. Then I'll calculate the inductance by factoring inductance out of the LC resonance equation. Then use the solenoid inductance equation to approximate the number of windings. Then modify the coil to suit the capacitor, toss it on the test jig and sweep the frequency over it. The amplitude in the LC circuit will max out at resonance. If the resonant frequency isn't right adjust the coil, and try it again. Once you have the resonance within 1% of the target, modify the rest of the coils of this type in the same manner and test them. So may take a little while...
Here is an example of the 'Monkey Do" list. My wife likes rustic furniture...
Blessed Be...
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Here is an example of the 'Monkey Do" list. My wife likes rustic furniture...
Blessed Be...
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Nice shot of the game monitor!
Yes I have enjoyed reading this thread. At the moment I am looking at building a Hendershot Motor. But this looks more challenging.
The Xabbard coil looks like a red herring to me. I feel there would be too much dampening of the cycle with the constant feed back loops that would be re-circulating around the central coil. The result would be limited output. IMHO, there is a need to totally re-examine the modus operandii of the coil arrangements in such a way as to try and disregard classical/conventional electromagnetic theory. We are dealing here with an as yet - unknown - unproven concept/phenomenon, using only that information that has been "mystified" over the decades.
I have no doubt that Hubbard had a motor that ran on a series of coils, but, there were never any tests results made public to verify his claims of power output. Newspaper reports of the era have the habit of lacking in specific details but, big on superlatives. That is why I looked at the Hendershot motor. Quite a lot of info on this, and, presumably an accurate circuit. The trick is in the tuning; probably for both devices.Here's a picture of John Bedini and the Hendershot
If you mean post 62 the Hubbard Transformer drawing? Then this particular drawing is not an original. It corresponds to another misleading notion of the pictures of 15" coils placed in several articles and made to look old. It is my belief that these photos are of a Replicated Hubbard coil that did not work.
Anyway, I could be totally wrong. Keep up the good work!
Regards
Howdy Y'all,
Here's a link to Joesph H. Cater's free energy device.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item160
Blessed Be...
Interesting, how long ago did you find that Z?
Cheers,
Ben.
Howdy Bennyboy,
That file came from Ourbobby. I have been aware of Mr. Cater's work since the late 1980's.
OK, Mo Later...
Quote from: z.monkey on October 19, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Here's a link to Joesph H. Cater's free energy device.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item160
Blessed Be...
Great Doc Z.Monkey! I read most of it last night, Orgone is weird and neat stuff! :)
Yucca.
Z Cater's device uses Gold plating I have a very simple [brushplating] device for this
Let me know if your interested
Chet
Howdy Y'all,
Thanks Ramset, I'll let you know if I need it.
OK, been working on the Resonance Test Jig. This is the DIY frequency generator and power amplifier that I am going to use to tune the LC circuits of the Infinity Transformer. Here is a screenshot of the modified adjustable sine wave generator. Also I uploaded the full schematic to:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item162
I'm still chasing the rotary switch, some of those are pricey new, like $100! So scratching through the surplus stores it is. I think I have a 100K stereo pot here somewhere...
OK, Mo Later...
Quote from: ourbobby on October 18, 2008, 05:23:12 PM
That is why I looked at the Hendershot motor. Quite a lot of info on this, and, presumably an accurate circuit. The trick is in the tuning; probably for both devices.
Howdy Ourbobby,
Yeah, I agree tuning is everything in a inductive device. Intelligent design helps also. The power amplifiers that I chose for this board are audio power Op-Amps. I used these parts to build a audio amplifier because of the efficient design and clean waveforms. Years ago I knew this was a great design because it sounded good. It was also very energy efficient meaning the batteries would last a really long time. It wasn't until I studied the Bedini motor and other concepts in overunity that I realized this amplifier design was utilizing these principles. It is not so much the design of the Op-Amp itself, but the circuit that protects the Op-Amp from transient feedback from inductive loads.
Look at the function of diodes D4, D5, D6, and D7. These diodes steer the inductive kickback from the load inductor back into the power supply. While this is not overunity, it is aiding the system by pushing the inductive kickback back into the battery, making the system more efficient.
High frequency tuned circuit exhibit overunity indirectly, they produce radio waves. When making a power oscillator rather than a radio oscillator the tuned tank circuit is just as important. The difference is that the power oscillator emits power when resonant rather than radio waves. So being analogous to a tuned radio circuit a single low frequency LC tank circuit should be able to achieve overunity, it all depends on tuning. Tuning single low frequency LC tank circuits is what the Resonance Test Jig is for.
OK, Mo Later...
Hi!
There is an instructable that teach how to build a crystal radio that inside has a homemade rotating switch. May be this can be of help to you.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-an-antique-style-crystal-radio/
Jesus
Howdy Jesus,
That is a nice looking crystal set. Free energy for your ears...
I picked up a philmore switch at Altex last night. Good price only $3...
OK, Thanks...
Adjustable Sine Wave Generator
Band Selector
Z.Monkey make incandescent light...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item175
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item176
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item177
Band Selector and Frequency Adjustment Wiring
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item178
Hi!
Congratulations zmonkey!
Jesus
Thanks Jesus,
I got the ASWG (Adjustable Sine Wave Generator) working Friday night. At the moment it is configured to drive this incandescent light. At around 60 Hertz it is generating around about 100 Volts AC open circuit. With the lamp load on the circuit (which is double the rated load) the voltage drops to around 40 VAC. So with the proper load it should run about ~75 VAC.
The next step is to use one of the peripheral coils from the Infinity Transformer and a capacitor to create a resonant LC circuit, drive it with the ASWG, and measure the change of performance in the load. This test jig will help me to tune the individual LC circuits of the Infinity Transformer.
Eventually the ASWG will have closed loop feedback power. I am working on an overview drawing. The signal is generated and amplified by the existing ASWG board. This signal drives a step up transformer. The output of the transformer is attached to the resonant circuit and the load. The not yet constructed part is the power feedback system. A step down transformer is connected to the load side of the resonant circuit. This circuit rectifies and regulates the feedback power and charges some large capacitors which are attached to the power input side of the signal generator and amplifier board. When the resonant circuit is refined enough to go into overunity the the excess energy should be able to sustain the battery supply and run the load. This can be verified with a flick of the switch which switches out the batteries and the ASWG runs of power supplied by the power feedback circuit only. If you turn off the battery switch and the circuit quits operating then you are not in overunity yet, keep trying...
OK, Mo Later...
@z.monkey
Once you get the coils and capacitors close to resonating at the right frequency maybe you could
devise a way to alter the core of the coils slightly to fine tune the system.
Adding or removing some of the core material should alter the frequency slightly.
Anyone else building a similar unit may want to use coils with movable cores
so each coil can be adjusted easily by moving the ferrite core in and out.
Howdy AbbaRue,
I have some small iron rods just for that purpose...
Here is the updated drawing...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item181
This is what I am calling a Power LC Tank. The secondary is electrically isolated from the local power bus. This allows high voltages to develop in the tank circuit, and the energy in the LC tank is transformer coupled to the local power bus. This is to step down the LC tank's energy to a level where it can be utilized on the local power bus. Gonna get it into test this week...
OK, Mo Later...
Changed the orientation of the LC tank(s).
The circuit is operating but I am back to the current deficiency problem.... yup...
Probably need better batteries...
Power LC Tank 1
Built with the secondary coils from the Infinity Transformer...
Power LC Tank 2
With concentrated coils, another test...
@zmonkey
You are doing a great deal of experiments. I do expect that the money invested be a well invested money.
You deserve to achieve success!
Jesus
Hi,
Looking at this thread I'm sad and angry sometimes. Do you really want to build Hubbard coil ?
Why do you assume Hubbard used electronics ? I'm sure he was unable to get any kind because vacuum tubes were new and probably very costly devices.
I found about Tesla correspondence with Johnson in 1902 when Tesla mentioned he built something similiar around 1888 - 1890. His letter was provoked by article in New York Herald describing Clemente Figueras discovery of free electricity generator , capable of generating 20 kW power and small in size.
Do you still believe that in 1888 or in 1902 someone had electronic circuit ?
Article about Figueras : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item211
Read how it was described.I think it's time to return back to McFarland Cook patent.
Is it possible that McFarland device is stored somewhere in Patent Office stock room or in any museum around Mansfield ?
P.S. You in US have a big archive of old newspapers. Just dig around , maybe there is any article about Hubbard ?
This is also interesting : http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm
However I think author didn't found the correct patent (if one exists)
Howdy Forest,
I got busy for the holidays and had to stop working on my toys for a while. I have been working on them, but not posting. I will post some new work soon, being on vacation.
Still working on the Infinity Coil Driver. I am building a electromechanical inverter which currently is rated at 120 watts. I'll post that build soon.
In the interim I have found something profound. I found what could be the basis of Tesla's work. I started a thread on this topic, but as of yet no responses. This work is the Alchemical Manual for the New Millennium. We have explored wave physics, and particle physics but have neglected to explore the interaction between the two and that interaction's effects on the surrounding environment.
I am still in the middle of this book. I post some of the theories in that thread.
http://www.alchemanual.net/
Quote from: forest on December 30, 2008, 01:53:18 PM
Looking at this thread I'm sad and angry sometimes. Do you really want to build Hubbard coil ?
I am seeking the root of energy.
The Hubbard coil is a means to an end.
So I did explore Hubbard's work but in retrospect a lot of that information is vague and indeterminate. Hubbard's Experiment happened in the 1920's. They were not as meticulous with their documentation back then. Fuzzy black and white photocopies photos are not a point of reference. Several months ago I branched off from the Hubbard configuration while trying to develop 60 Hz resonant LC circuits. This is what all the electronics are about. I wanted to synthesize sine waves to test the LC tanks. This works great for testing, but to generate power we need to have the raw power of mechanical switching.
So, in true 21st century style I am using electronic control of electromechanical devices. I have found some industrial relays that look promising. Here is a pic of what I have been working on...
The ElectroMechanical Inverter...
Schematic coming soon...
in the early days of electronics there was a simple device called a magnetic relay it used a magnet to switch with AC pulses it was none magnetic except for a magnet and a coil the contacts would be make or break by the pull or push of the magnet this is much like a speaker magnet and was favored for its damped action you may try this if you are having to many problems as it was said to be more reliable and faster switching
I was reading last night and in the panacea site under the rotoverter there was a mention of an odd phenomina about burning out inverters while charging batteries due to putting the charge from the dc start motor back into the inverter batteries could have to do with phase shift riding on the dc you really might have to shift the load in order to take the back energy but a capacitor across the relay contacts should maintain switching power for the transfer time of the contacts really don't want to stop current flow as would cause a large voltage spike.
Quote from: nueview on January 02, 2009, 03:15:09 PM
a capacitor across the relay contacts should maintain switching power for the transfer time of the contacts really don't want to stop current flow as would cause a large voltage spike.
That cap was planned. Without the cap we would be trying to transform a square wave which doesn't work very good. The original reasoning was to have a resonant circuit there on the switched side of the relay. This would round off the square wave and make the transformers primary coil happy. Then on the secondary side we would have a lot nicer looking waveform.
Here's the basic idea of the EM-Inverter...
i did some figuring on your set up and thinking about this coil arangement and wondered if it didn't need an odd number of coils about the center coil.
use the odd coil for an input driver and the rest for an output it may depend on the way there wound but you could reverse the coils end for end maybe not have to think more on this.
i have been working with induction motors and saw yesterday how two coils wound in different directions in series as a tank circuit seemed to cancel the current in the circuit although at the capaciter it was measurable but everything else appeared as normal 8 amps just dissipeared into the unit as if it wasn't even present. i'm still scratching my head over this one so wish you the best and will be looking for your posts.
Let's talk about AC motors.I need help to understand them, so please bear with me.Assume that I have a motor with two separate circuits, each of them is consisted of 4 coils. That two circuits are pulsed sequentially.
Inside motor then is a rotor with 4 electromagnets or neo magnets.Is that a 2 phase AC motor ?
Do circuits here produce rotating magnetic field ?
What would happen if I replace a rotor with a coil ? What I could measure on coil ?
Quote from: Chef on January 08, 2009, 04:48:06 AM
I don't understand clearly your example. Could you please describe how do you think those separate circuits connected?
Conventional two phase AC motor, is constructed by two separate windings 90degree out of phase to each other, one drive by constant AC , other by variable voltage AC for control.
(...)
I'm curious about it.What does '90 degree out of phase' mean ? Does it mean that in one circuit current is maximum when in other is minimum ? Do you have a simulation of such two phase AC motor magnetic fields ? Can you post a link to schematic of such motor ?
Quote from: Chef on January 08, 2009, 11:53:32 AM
Exactly, if the phase difference is 90degree, the current in on coil will be on the minimum, when the other is at maximum. The phase difference simple mean, difference in magnetic vector position. If we talk about 90 degree, that mean one coil will be parallel with magnetic field lines,at the same moment other will be at 90degree. As you can see, in the Tesla picture, in my previous post, where at fig1 B and B' coils are exactly 90 degree to each other.
You can find here info about poly phase motors, phase difference, etc: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_13/7.html
I guess this picture is missing point c' :D Anyway , I'm starting to grasp the situation here. Is that picture about one phase AC motor , because of one difference in phase or I guessed wrongly ?
Sorry Chef, my mistake I didn't understood when motor is 2 phases AC.Now I see that it depends on count of pairs of circuits or count of AC signals powering motor.
Now I understand it better yet my knowledge is very limited of course.
I have a question about rotor , because it seems strange for me. I comprehended I hope , that there is induced large current in rotor closed circuit by similar manner as in Faraday homopolar dynamo. That current I was told generate opposing magnetic rotating field which synchronize and propel rotor against stator.
Do I correctly understood the principle of brushless AC motor ?
Please bear with me , maybe I will have something to share also but first I must understand completly why and was something really here which was overlooked.Is it possible we are looking for something which is here for more then 120 years and require only slight modification of modern day common device ??? ???
forest
i can easily understand your confusion about phase and cycles so let me see if i can help here some to clear up the misconseption about the two.
a cycle is one rotation of electrical energy a single circle drawn along a line it appears to be a wave form and the number of times it rises and falls in one second gives frequency.
phase on the other hand has to do with the number of cycles produced per one rotation ( however speed of the generater can be reduced by generating multiple cycles per rotation this is usually determined by the number of magnetic poles on the rotor) and can become quite confusing because of how motors are wound so let me try to explain.
draw a circle and a verticle line in it for the rotor put an arrow at one end of it now divide your circle in half and as you would rotate your arrow clockwise everycoil or strand of wire you cross in that half of the circle will rise and fall in a positive direction while the other half is going negative. this would be one cycle per revolution. having a single phase.
if you divide the circle into four parts and have two magnets you would get two cycles per revolution and still be single phase.but this can be made to be untrue by changing wire wind direction and yes you could develope two phase power out as having a positive and negative going wave at the same time .
if you divide your circle into three parts and your magnet is rotated you will derive what is called three phase power if you just asume every thing to the right of your arrow is rising and everything to the left is falling .
hope this helps as it really is as clear as mud when looking at some motor windings as they can get pretty exotic and bazarre at times.
nueview,
I have always had problems with phase, but fortunately the difference of phase between two AC currents are quite easy to display in schematic. I think I will never understand it completely but the point is that here are other issues more important to look for. Because I'm not electrician I must work out hard to understand some obvious facts but that let me ask important questions also due to my ignorance I think ;-)
The first thing I did was to look at wikipedia for description of AC motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_motor
I stuck at 'Squirrel-cage rotors' topic and read :
"Most common AC motors use the squirrel cage rotor, which will be found in virtually all domestic and light industrial alternating current motors. The squirrel cage takes its name from its shape - a ring at either end of the rotor, with bars connecting the rings running the length of the rotor. It is typically cast aluminum or copper poured between the iron laminates of the rotor, and usually only the end rings will be visible. The vast majority of the rotor currents will flow through the bars rather than the and usually varnished laminates. Very low voltages at very high currents are typical in the bars and end rings; high efficiency motors will often use cast copper in order to reduce the resistance in the rotor."
I was absolutely astonishing fact.How so ? Very high current, and yet we are not reusing them ?
What if I could replace a rotor with a kind of coil ? Surely it would be not OU device but could I regain all electric power back ?
Second astounding find :
"Furthermore, a stalled squirrel cage motor (overloaded or with a jammed shaft) will consume current limited only by circuit resistance as it attempts to start. Unless something else limits the current (or cuts it off completely) overheating and destruction of the winding insulation is the likely outcome"
Could you explain me how the stalled rotor would force current in stator to rise so much ? it's kind of magic voodoo for me :o
Quote from: Chef on January 08, 2009, 02:01:47 PM
Here is one very good simulation: http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14hu/generator_hu.htm Language is not English, but with some try,you could fully understand how AC voltage is induced in that generator. You could switch the commutator on, and you will see, how AC voltage would be full rectified.
I think, the most overlooked, and not fully understood part is the simple high self inductance coil, so you could be right, everything is around us long ago.
I think I know what we overlooked.Good understanding of Lenz law and Faraday unipolar dynamo. More later, I have much to learn...
Quote from: forest on January 08, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
nueview,
I have always had problems with phase, but fortunately the difference of phase between two AC currents are quite easy to display in schematic. I think I will never understand it completely but the point is that here are other issues more important to look for. Because I'm not electrician I must work out hard to understand some obvious facts but that let me ask important questions also due to my ignorance I think ;-)
The first thing I did was to look at wikipedia for description of AC motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_motor
I stuck at 'Squirrel-cage rotors' topic and read :
"Most common AC motors use the squirrel cage rotor, which will be found in virtually all domestic and light industrial alternating current motors. The squirrel cage takes its name from its shape - a ring at either end of the rotor, with bars connecting the rings running the length of the rotor. It is typically cast aluminum or copper poured between the iron laminates of the rotor, and usually only the end rings will be visible. The vast majority of the rotor currents will flow through the bars rather than the and usually varnished laminates. Very low voltages at very high currents are typical in the bars and end rings; high efficiency motors will often use cast copper in order to reduce the resistance in the rotor."
I was absolutely astonishing fact.How so ? Very high current, and yet we are not reusing them ?
What if I could replace a rotor with a kind of coil ? Surely it would be not OU device but could I regain all electric power back ?
Second astounding find :
"Furthermore, a stalled squirrel cage motor (overloaded or with a jammed shaft) will consume current limited only by circuit resistance as it attempts to start. Unless something else limits the current (or cuts it off completely) overheating and destruction of the winding insulation is the likely outcome"
Could you explain me how the stalled rotor would force current in stator to rise so much ? it's kind of magic voodoo for me :o
Hmm, did I got it right ? Stalled motor will raise current dissipation from AC power source ? Or maybe it's all because or cumulation of rotating magnetic field effect from stator on stalled rotor ?
forest
check your e-mail on this site these posts should be left for the topic at hand namely the infinity coil.
OK.My questions are moved here : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6512.new#new
Sorry for disturbing thread I thought it's related, but seems that my argumentation is too long..
z monkey
charlie_v wrote a reply in the AC motor questions thread and you may want to read it as perhaps the connection to the infinity coil is no connection but rather standing waves just a thought. don't know what you have tried and haven't.
hi,
everyone.........i am new here.
please see the link below
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=CHvuty37bTE&feature=related
its about the steve mark has shown toroidal generator which uses some magnetic field and produces 100W without any input.
i really dont understatnd the concept behind.
but my institution says that the
Xabbard coil picture resembles very much what he is shown in the vedio..
thoughts invited...