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Title: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 04, 2008, 03:14:52 AM
the only pic's of this thing i can find are very poor, but it looks like it has 24 pole pieces and 12 bar magnets on each pole. how do you guy's think the bar magnets are aranged on each pole? what do you think it was for? i cant see any windings on it. what do you think is missing?-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Koen1 on August 04, 2008, 09:13:13 AM
Can you please provide a link to that picture you mention,
and to any additional information relating to this,
as I have never heard of "Leedskalnins flywheel" at all,
and have no clue what you're talking about...
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 04, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
im sorry, it was kinds stupid to assume everyone would know what i was talking about. in fact this possibly shouldnt be posted here because some people think its a generator. go to www.coralcastle.com and check out the story of edward leedskalnin. its interesting and he had some interesting ideas about magnatism. click on the pictures and look for a hand cranked rotor made out of a flywheel. if it was for generating electricity it would seem to me one would have a difficult time cranking the thing with any load on it.-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: gyulasun on August 04, 2008, 05:35:25 PM

If you mean this picture http://www.coralcastle.com/img/ac-generator1.jpg  then you may as well have included the link into your first or second post here...  What prevented you from doing so?
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 04, 2008, 06:28:18 PM
when i typed in the name of the web site i didnt know it would automaticly become a link. i am fairly computor ignorent. i want to thank you so much for bringing that up for everyone to see. i hope it makes you feel good. if you have no interest in the topic why post?-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: tishatang on August 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM
Hi all

Here is a link that you may find interesting"

coralcastlecode.com

I can't access it from China right now, so I don't know if it is still active?

Tishatang
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 05, 2008, 01:49:11 AM

What I think it is?

It is a hand cranked generator that he used for charging his batteries, making his magnets and for strengthening his chains and hooks by magnetizing them. I read his 3 booklets on magnets and found precious tidbits throughtout. He was of the Old Guards, a brilliant man lost in love.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: exxcomm0n on August 05, 2008, 01:55:58 AM
@ tishtang

Interesting site!
I can get to it and am checking out it's content now.


As to the generator, I think it could be humanly powered, but not for a long time.
But then Leedskalnin had that nifty perpetual motion holder that could explain being able to hold quite a bit of generated electricity for use at a later time.

Maybe there were a couple of things he didn't print a pamphlet for?
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 05, 2008, 02:00:24 AM

Another fascinating thing about this rotor is the use of the magnet stacking method side by side reversed polarity at each row. With smaller cheap magnets, he placed them to amplify the magnetic field and boost efficiency. Brilliant man, poor man. They all end up the same, forgotten.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 05, 2008, 02:36:48 AM
at first i thought each pole was made of 12 magnets, but now i count 10. so do you think they were stacked five verticly north and 5 south up against each other? i read that one guy thinks the pickup coil had some kind of north and south arangment that made it easy to crank? i also read that he used it to generate some kind of frequency that levatated the stone blocks. one of the interesting things i read was that his hoist with tripod was no were neer heavy enough to lift some of the blocks and even if it was he couldnt movethem to where he needed them to be. so how did he move all that stone around. plus he up and moved the whole joint 10 miles and re erected it, by him self.-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 05, 2008, 07:55:59 PM
 You stack the magnets with their natural attraction position. 1st row  ns/sn   2nd row sn/ns   3rd row ns/sn the whole block becomes a virtual large magnet and the magnetic flux is comprised of loads of magnetic vortices that are more efficient than one big magnet. The magnetic field viewer sheet doesn't show you the final effect, you need a precision Gauss meter to map the resulting field like Howard Johnson did  in one of his paper. When two or more virtual magnets are mounted on a rotor, they segregate in North and South poles arrangement by themselves. It is not a well know effect as most people try to stack their magnets with identical poles together but the chaos in the vortices drop the efficiency of the resulting virtual magnet. 

He probably used air core coils to do away with the cogging or he found someway of warping the magnetic flux away from the center of the coil to concentrate it on the coil windings for a longer period of time. One way could be to use a Pyrolytic Graphite plug in the core (used in levitation) and that would work better with a virtual magnet. (Pure speculation that could make sense) ;D

I don't know how he used it or could have used it to lighten up his coral blocks but I am pretty sure he used the magnetic fields to strengthen his chains and holding blocks. First thing to get the coral blocks lighter is to dig them out and let them dry, you lose nearly half the weight from evaporation of this very porous material and in Florida, the water table level is near the ground level so they are naturaly filled with water or very wet to start with. I would have to go through his lifelong junk collection to find out what he used that could have done the trick. Remember what you learn in books about magnets is only the evident part and they did screw that up too, what they show you in school is not wrong but not right either. Magnet effects are still shrouded in mystery for most.

Leedskalnin was able to visualize magnetic fields , that I am sure.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 05:55:40 AM
Quote from: chevyiron420 on August 05, 2008, 02:36:48 AM
at first i thought each pole was made of 12 magnets, but now i count 10. so do you think they were stacked five verticly north and 5 south up against each other? i read that one guy thinks the pickup coil had some kind of north and south arangment that made it easy to crank? i also read that he used it to generate some kind of frequency that levatated the stone blocks. one of the interesting things i read was that his hoist with tripod was no were neer heavy enough to lift some of the blocks and even if it was he couldnt movethem to where he needed them to be. so how did he move all that stone around. plus he up and moved the whole joint 10 miles and re erected it, by him self.-phil
here are a few pic what I took
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 05:55:40 AM
here are a few pic what I took
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 06:01:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 06:00:26 AM


here are one with a cigaret box for size comp
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: dolomo on August 06, 2008, 07:18:15 AM
Quote from: chevyiron420 on August 04, 2008, 03:14:52 AM
how do you guy's think the bar magnets are aranged on each pole?

go to
http://www.code144.com/ (http://www.code144.com/)

and watch the video, there is the magnet configuration shown. At about 3:30 of 51:22 minutes of the video.

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: AB Hammer on August 06, 2008, 01:03:11 PM
 Is it time for a blacksmith on standby? LOL  ;D

For this job it looks like one will be needed.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 06, 2008, 01:20:26 PM
Hi dolomo,

Thanks for the video, I'll get at it later...too many posts to read now. Thanks

Hi Walter Hofmann,

Thanks for the nice pictures, blacksmith? A voodoo priest would make more sense out of it.  ;D

I bought many years ago during my early years as diesel mechanic an old truck for fun. An old Walter 1931. It wasn't good for rebuilding but that wasn't why I bought it. It took me 2 years to dismantle it to bolts and iron but I learnt a lot about magnetos, downdraft carburetor, flathead adjustments, etc...

Many parts I recognize in his contraption. As to how he used them and why, that is for the next episode.

Have fun,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: Michelinho on August 06, 2008, 01:20:26 PM
Hi dolomo,

Thanks for the video, I'll get at it later...too many posts to read now. Thanks

Hi Walter Hofmann,

Thanks for the nice pictures, blacksmith? A voodoo priest would make more sense out of it.  ;D

I bought many years ago during my early years as diesel mechanic an old truck for fun. An old Walter 1931. It wasn't good for rebuilding but that wasn't why I bought it. It took me 2 years to dismantle it to bolts and iron but I learnt a lot about magnetos, downdraft carburetor, flathead adjustments, etc...

Many parts I recognize in his contraption. As to how he used them and why, that is for the next episode.

Have fun,

Michel


maybe as a bit more explanation ed re located to where the castel stands now because this location are the exact cross point of a horizontal and vertical magnet line what has for sure to do with his acomplishment.by the way the engine block is from a ford model T where there are some speculation say that ford has build it that it could run with out petroleum just by adding som magnets

greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on August 06, 2008, 07:28:56 PM

Cow magnets as the story goes.

Interesting that Ed is now connected to the legend...anybody have any Model T bell housings laying around ?

Regards...

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 06, 2008, 10:34:58 PM

Hi,

Yes, if I recall well, the Ford Model T, the alternator was located in the bellhousing with the magnets on the flywheel. As parts recognized, the yoke for the handle used to turn the alternator is from a mechanical brake linkage as the mounting linkage threads were offset, for clutch, brake and gas pedal or throttle they were straight. He could also have use the Telluric current to generate electricity a la Stubblefield who was powering arc lamps and other electrical apparatus from his earth batteries since he knew of micro magnetic pole by the location of the castle he carefully chose, he probably hanged  his magnetized rods all over to see where they were pointing. The hand generator was a mobile magnetic crane? Looks very heavy.

Great man,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on August 06, 2008, 10:44:13 PM

From what I can recall reading once, magnets mounted on the magneto in combination with cow magnets which could later be inserted into prepared slots in the bell housing, would allow the motor to run without fuel.

Regards...

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 07, 2008, 12:26:25 AM

Hi dolomo,

I just watched the code144 movie and it is VERY INTERESTING and puzzling. That certainly explains the construction  of the flywheel but I am still in the dark on how it could have been used. I'll watch the video a few times more then I'll sleep on it. Sometimes in sleep I get some weird answers but I also get some good ones.

If my light start shining bright, I'll post what comes out of it.  LOL

Take care all and thanks for the many precious inputs.

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 07, 2008, 01:13:17 AM
hey walt, did you see anything on it that could be a pickup coil, or parts of it?-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 05:24:38 AM
Quote from: chevyiron420 on August 07, 2008, 01:13:17 AM
hey walt, did you see anything on it that could be a pickup coil, or parts of it?-phil
hi phil yes there was still a few layden jars ( see pic) hanging somewhere and a few 4 inch coils there was also a piece of thick solid copper wire coming out of the block under the flywheel.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 05:31:19 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 05:24:38 AM
hi phil yes there was still a few layden jars ( see pic) hanging somewhere and a few 4 inch coils there was also a piece of thick solid copper wire coming out of the block under the flywheel.
greetings
walt
here are a pic of the wire
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 05:45:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on August 06, 2008, 06:00:26 AM

what you can not see clearly like in the original because of the picture size is that there is a block mounted right in front of the magnet wheeel with a stick on top which has some wire on it and in the middle on the chain is a kind of hook what could be there to attache a layden jar or work as a spark contact
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 05:53:43 AM
Hi all,
the video is amazing I just be a bit baffeld with the well and the star in the middle because I did not see such thing in 2003.
maybe it was there before and they have filled it with the red gravel or they put it up afterwards, I dont know.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: scotty1 on August 07, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Hi all,
Here is a few more pics of Ed's wheel.
http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm)
I have almost 120 T model Ford magnets as well...
Here you can see the difference between the different magnet arrangements.
http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Here are some bottle pics too...http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Feel free to look around....
Scotty.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: scotty1 on August 07, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Hi all,
Here is a few more pics of Ed's wheel.
http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm)
I have almost 120 T model Ford magnets as well...
Here you can see the difference between the different magnet arrangements.
http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Here are some bottle pics too...http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Feel free to look around....
Scotty.

hi scotty
verry nice and impressive site, many questions are open but what excite's me is that ed did everythings just with junk amazing.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: squegee69 on August 08, 2008, 12:10:30 AM
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on August 07, 2008, 04:32:39 PM
hi scotty
verry nice and impressive site, many questions are open but what excite's me is that ed did everythings just with junk amazing.
greetings
walt
junk - indeed - he was using what was around him.  Agreed - much lost knowledge.  Very exciting if we can get ourselves to thinking like people did in 1920...  Read and re-read his magnetic theoriy booklets - The secret has got to be there,

Peace!
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on August 08, 2008, 02:47:12 AM

This is another page w/ Ed?s wheel + home made model (unfinished).
http://www.leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm
Here are some speculation as for it?s purpose :
1. Generator.
2. Wave generator for different frequencies.
3. A motor that works on ground currents.
4. To produce a certain magnetic frequency that will vibrate the coral boulders
     atoms which will reduce their weight and rigidity.
5. Do the same, but this frequency would go through amplifier and translate to
     radio waves which will vibrate the rocks.
6. A motor / generator - OU machine.

In the same room, there many unexplained ?things? that does not make sense,
or at least not understood as to their purpose, some of them have to do with
the wheel. 

Evidently he built a machine which did some work (so I believe), the configuration
of the wheel w/ all it?s surrounding ?sub-machines? and objects strangely put together,
is the only clue that he knew something we don?t understand.  Though it?s only
Assumption, still it?s hard to dismiss.

Beside the wheel there are many weird things scattered around Coral Castle :
http://www.leedskalnin.net/
If the wheel was an isolated case, it would be easy to ignore, but the whole place looks
like a museum of universal laws?.


Cheers
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 08, 2008, 10:17:07 AM
when i first looked at the pictures of the wheel i never imagined that the magnets were shaped like that. i have never seen v shaped magnets before and i think it means something. i wonder if he made them himself, and they had to be that way to get a desired effect. i wonder what materiel they are made from and how one would wind them with wire to magnetize them.-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on August 08, 2008, 11:29:39 AM
 These magnets where taken from a Ford Model-T flywheel :
http://www.leedskalnin.net/wheel-11.htm
Most likely he strengthen them (re-magnetized).

No one who visits Coral Castle so far could detect if the V-magnets are set
as  NN/SS/NN/SS/NN (which is the setting for an average electric motor), or
if it?s SN/SN/SN/SN, which ?never heard of? setting.  Since I have this model
at home I can tell you that just do it with a compass is difficult, since the v-shapes
are touching each other and the compass get confused.

However, if it?s really SN/SN/SN then the investigation should take a completely
different rout.  That means you have a constant circulation of magnets around the
wheel, without you doing nothing (North pole individual magnets stream run in the
opposite direction of S pole individual magnets stream). And this is a complete
different animal then we use to see.

In fact most visitors and even researchers that go to Coral Castle, do not know
exactly what to look at and where to start. It?s like to board a ship in order to
figure out how it works and made of, using a ruler?  Some basic knowledge
of Ed?s notes could help. And the wheel is one of those things.

* Just a weird thing about today?s magnets : you can get almost any shape magnet
(ball, bar, ring, plate, custom made, etc.) on the net that made of different materials
(Neodymium-Boron, Alnico, Barium Ferrite, Ceramic, Iron Ferrite, etc.),
but it?s close to impossible to get a large or a strong U-shape
magnet (let alone V-shape one)?for some unknown reason?


Cheers
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: **~imhotep~** on August 08, 2008, 03:59:51 PM
i have studied ed's work for a while . i live not to far away from cc and hope to do more hands on research of this forgotten genius.he states our measurements of electricity misses half of the story. he might be right. his flywheel (perpetual motion generator ) has been written about and a researcher in Florida has stated once he spun it up it would continue until he shorted out two of the adjacent magnetic clusters .
i believe the reference was in "Waiting For Agnes" all in all this mans work would be very fascinating to study more and i hope to get the chance to solve some of his mysteries  glad to see this thread !! ;D
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: **~imhotep~** on August 08, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
thank you rangerover4 great pix ,i wondered how ed got his hv ,now that mystery is solved !!
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: 0c on August 08, 2008, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: rangerover444 on August 08, 2008, 11:29:39 AM
* Just a weird thing about today?s magnets : you can get almost any shape magnet
(ball, bar, ring, plate, custom made, etc.) on the net that made of different materials
(Neodymium-Boron, Alnico, Barium Ferrite, Ceramic, Iron Ferrite, etc.),
but it?s close to impossible to get a large or a strong U-shape
magnet (let alone V-shape one)?for some unknown reason?

These are pretty powerful:
http://www.allmagnetics.com/hardware/horseshoe.htm
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on August 08, 2008, 10:36:05 PM

Thanks,

I have those. 30 lb. lift is ok, not very powerfull, but ok.  And also they are so
small w/ short prongs, which quite limiting the applications you can do with....
My question was why they are not around ?
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Bennyboy on August 09, 2008, 01:48:06 AM
I second that RangeRover, very strange indeed....
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: yaz on August 09, 2008, 01:54:49 AM
Here's the article about the self-runner.

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm



Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on August 09, 2008, 02:25:37 AM

Since I read this story before, I thought it may serve as a romantic legend of the 1900?S times.
But it have too many contradictions to be true :

1. The oil companies should held Mr. Henry Ford as their hero.  Why should they threatened
     him and his family. They should reward him big time and contribute to his operation, which
     of course in their best interest.
2. If Mr. Ford was that brave to tell the oil companies, to get off his back, why he did not insert
     his ?magic cow magnets? in the first place, without even dealing with oil companies.
3. Mr. Henry Ford theme, was that each middle class person could afford a car.  So if he could
     build the T-Model on magnetic engines and save his buyers money they will have to spend
     on gasoline in the future, why he built them on gasoline in the first place ?
4. If the Model T could run on magnetic engine - this earth would look different today? (even
     without his magic cow magnets, someone would picked up on that long time ago).
5. The oil companies where not that powerful as today in the beginning of the 1900.  Mr. Ford
     was an empire at that time and could not be pushed away like that (maybe by the government).

I would not proceed further, since there are too many ?holes? in this story. But as I said it?s
a great romantic tale.

And maybe the bottom line is to show J. Keely as a forgotten genius and have nothing to
do with Mr. Ford or magnetic engines?who knows.

Cheers
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: CLaNZeR on August 09, 2008, 06:09:40 AM
Quote from: scotty1 on August 07, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Hi all,
Here is a few more pics of Ed's wheel.
http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/wheel.htm)
I have almost 120 T model Ford magnets as well...
Here you can see the difference between the different magnet arrangements.
http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Here are some bottle pics too...http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/et-1.htm)
Feel free to look around....

Hi Scotty

Really nice site mate.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on August 09, 2008, 07:25:09 PM

To whom it may concern,

http://www.leedskalnin.net/test-1.htm

This is a chart of the tests and explanations from ?Magnetic Currents?.
It?s only a summery, but it gives a nice perspective of what does it
takes and permit to ?read? the whole book in 1 min?LOL

Enjoy
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: vladimka on August 09, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: rangerover444 on August 08, 2008, 11:29:39 AM

No one who visits Coral Castle so far could detect if the V-magnets are set
as  NN/SS/NN/SS/NN (which is the setting for an average electric motor), or
if it?s SN/SN/SN/SN, which ?never heard of? setting. 

I can tell you that - the first one is correct. I check it during my last visit to Corall Castle with a little magnet.
So,it should be:
...-NN - SS - NN -SS -NN-...
...-NN - SS - NN -SS -NN-...
...-NN - SS - NN -SS -NN-...
...-NN - SS - NN -SS -NN-...
...-NN - SS - NN -SS -NN-...
Hope, this could help ... :)
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 09, 2008, 10:12:43 PM
To make a true NN SS NN, you need magnets not available off the shelves.

I explain: according to the magnetic vortex mappings in Howard Johnson works, each pole has two vortices.


In that line of thinking, The two North Pole vortices will not be side by side but at opposite ends of the resulting square diminishing the efficiency by much.

So you need Mirror Image magnets.  You polarize half as usual and invert the polarity for the other half.

Maybe he knew that!

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 09, 2008, 10:29:32 PM


On a bad note, you cannot detect this subtle change with a magnet, compass or other crude way. Howard Johnson explains how he did it. Check on it.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: vladimka on August 09, 2008, 11:24:43 PM
Don't clear understand what you are talking about. If one side of my magnet going to the Ed;s pole of magnet and other wan't - what is mean ? :)

Again. polarity is:
|-----||-----||-----|
| --- || --- || --- |
| | | || | | || | | |
| | | || | | || | | |
|N| |S||S| |N||N| |S|

( just put picture above to the notepad with fixed fonts).
Is it clear  ?

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 09, 2008, 11:53:48 PM
QuoteI explain: according to the magnetic vortex mappings in Howard Johnson works, each pole has two vortices.

    * The North Pole is composed of a strong North Pole vortex and a weak South Pole vortex.
    * The South Pole is composed of a strong North Pole vortex and a strong South Pole vortex.


This is where you can see and read more on magnetic vortex. 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson (http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson) 

It is hard to explain and already told.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 12, 2008, 06:26:30 AM

A possible piece of the puzzle of the magnetic wheel:

http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm

That looks a lot like Leeskalnin's wheel with magnetized plates in a circle and 2 wires coming from under it. It does not mention if this thing turns.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 12, 2008, 06:43:26 AM

From: http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm

QuoteThe machine itself is simple. It is in reality a transformer, which is familiar to anyone knowing anything at all about electricity in its practical uses. On a high tripod, which resembles somewhat the framework of a windmill tower, is the transformer, which Mr Meyers calls his ?absorber?. It is made up of an iron core, wrapped with copper wire. The secret of the invention is the manner in which the disks composing this ?absorber? are magnetized, and this secret Meyers says he found by accident while at work in prison.

What the machine, when finally perfected, will do is yet to be seen. Its inventor claims that it will greatly reduce the cost of making electricity. No batteries of any kind are needed, he says, and not a part of the machine turns upon the other. It is as durable, apparently, as an electric light pole. One of these machines, says Meyers, when perfected may be placed on a vehicle and transform enough electricity to give motive power, be that vehicle a locomotive or an automobile. He declared it can be placed on a building to furnish electric lights or power, and that the only wear will be upon the machinery which its current runs.

It is mentioned: "he says, and not a part of the machine turns upon the other." and also"It is made up of an iron core, wrapped with copper wire." maybe the copper wire was a coil that slips under from which the 2 wires come out.

Check this out when you are out there.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: chevyiron420 on August 13, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
i was looking at ed's bottles again. it has been said that they leyden jars, but i dont think so. they look like radio coils to me. i build crystal radios and they bottle coils look to long for AM brodcast bands to me. they look like they would be for a lower frequency. it also occured to me that adding water to the bottles would add capacitence to the coil to tune it to resonence. i have never fooled around below the AM broadcast band, i wonder whats down there.-phil
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 13, 2008, 05:47:06 AM


There is the Schumann Resonance spectrum, the Sounds of Earth. LF, VLF and ELF. Low, Very Low and Extremely Low frequencies. It was known to Tesla, Stubblefield and many more. 7.8 Hz, the pulse of Earth.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: scotty1 on August 18, 2008, 03:09:34 AM
Radio waves are not waves; they are North and South pole individual magnets which are coming out
of a transformer of the secondary winding?s coil ends, one-half going up in the air and the other half
in the ground
in increasing and decreasing numbers. The numbers are regulated by the transmitting tube,
and the speed by voltage. The increasing and decreasing magnet numbers cause the receiver?s antenna
to generate a tiny current to start the amplification to reproduce the original broadcast. The magnets are
not running up to the ionosphere and down again, but are running horizontally until they are lost.
Those magnets which go up to the ionosphere never come back as radio to the receiver, they only
cause the ionosphere?s magnets to come back to Earth as radar waves. Magnets do not run in the way
the radio wave drawings show.

http://leedskalnin.net/tesla-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/tesla-1.htm)
http://leedskalnin.net/Radio-1.htm (http://leedskalnin.net/Radio-1.htm)

"If 50 units of power are past into the aerial, then what becomes of the equal amount of energy which passes into the ground"......Rogers...

"I shall endeavor to make this clear by reference to diagram in Fig. 14. The elevated terminal charged to a high potential induces an equal and opposite charge in the earth."  Tesla.

"I can hardly think of anything more improbable than this "gliding wave" theory and the conception of the "guided wireless" which are contrary to all laws of action and reaction. Why should these disturbances cling to a conductor where they are counteracted by induced currents, when they can propagate in all other directions unimpeded? The fact is that the radiations of the transmitter passing along the earth's surface are soon extinguished."  Tesla.

"Those magnets which go up to the ionosphere never come back as radio to the receiver, they only
cause the ionosphere?s magnets to come back to Earth as radar waves."  Ed.L
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You can see that Ed had the same theory as Tesla....
Cheers
Scotty

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Michelinho on August 18, 2008, 04:31:16 AM

I think you have your radio waves mixed up. Particles travel in a generally straight way. In reality it is a infinite corkscrew effect and some are lost during reflection from an absorbing material of variable capacity.

The modulation creates waves and counter waves (magnetic) that come out under high pressure (voltage) in a straight line. The cork screw effect attraction/repulsion disperse them in the open as an expanding wave, loosing power but gaining range until dispersion limits reception. Noise incurs during the process from interferences, also phase shift effect and many more.

It is a property of the process.

I read but can't visualize how your model could work.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Hornedfrogy on February 04, 2009, 02:50:08 PM
Hello.

I am an auto restorer, and after looking at Ed's Flywheel I can tell you with some Certainty that it is made mostly of old ford model T parts form the magneto and the fly wheel (2 of them one on top and one on the bottom) to hold the magneto Permanent  magnets in place. The center parts appear to be transmission hubs and may have the coils inside.
The original ford magneto used 16 "V" shaped permanent magnets and the unit put out about 10v at 450 rpm and from 20v to 40v  at full throttle.

Ed being the man he was made use of all the parts he had around and did a fine job at it. I believe that he used the 5 stack of magnets because he did not have an engine to run the generator and at the speed he could turn it by hand the 5 stack would be able to produce the power needed to charge his batteries and make the power for other equipment he had.

  You can still buy these parts at http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/modeltparts/magneto

  And for more information on the workings of the ford magneto please check out http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/Ignition.pdf

I hope I was helpfull to you.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on February 06, 2009, 04:54:55 AM

Hard to believe he stood there for hours, spinning his wheel, just to charge
a battery.  I think he was more efficient then that.

Here is unfinished replica of his wheel.
http://www.leedskalnin.net/et-2.htm (http://www.leedskalnin.net/et-2.htm)
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: mr Wiggl3s on June 14, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
QuoteHard to believe he stood there for hours, spinning his wheel, just to charge
a battery.  I think he was more efficient then that.

Lol.

Quote from: Hornedfrogy on February 04, 2009, 02:50:08 PM
Hello.

I am an auto restorer, and after looking at Ed's Flywheel I can tell you with some Certainty that it is made mostly of old ford model T parts form the magneto and the fly wheel (2 of them one on top and one on the bottom) to hold the magneto Permanent  magnets in place. The center parts appear to be transmission hubs and may have the coils inside.
The original ford magneto used 16 "V" shaped permanent magnets and the unit put out about 10v at 450 rpm and from 20v to 40v  at full throttle.

Ed being the man he was made use of all the parts he had around and did a fine job at it. I believe that he used the 5 stack of magnets because he did not have an engine to run the generator and at the speed he could turn it by hand the 5 stack would be able to produce the power needed to charge his batteries and make the power for other equipment he had.

  You can still buy these parts at http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/modeltparts/magneto

  And for more information on the workings of the ford magneto please check out http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/Ignition.pdf

I hope I was helpfull to you.
The cog'd wheel rings were from the flywheel i think. Where do you think they came from?

I'm more than sure i could mimic this machine exactly. I could also get it to work the way he intended, as a magnetic motor. I don't have the money though.

Does anyone know of a site for people that are looking into this, specifically?
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: scotty1 on June 15, 2009, 04:43:04 AM
Leedskalnin.net is the place where Ed's wheel is one of the main projects.
At the moment we are re-writing Ed's notes.
I have all the magnets and 4 flywheels to make Ed's wheel...plus I have 3 sets of model T coils, and the center hub.
I can get most other parts too. A friend of mine from our Blacksmith's club is building a model T and he likes me to come and clear his junk... ;D
Now I have found an old 5 HP motor at my work so i brought it home to mount my magnets on..It has strong bearings and feet for mounting to a frame, plus it has a keyed shaft.
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When dealing with Ed you have to remember that his theories are different from mainstream science.
One difference is that in Ed's theory the magnetic field around a conductor is not closed loops.
The field only appears closed when you put a needle in it to measure it.
In Ed's theory the needle does not really measure the field at all, but the field uses the needle as a path to run in...and so it looks closed, but really it wasn't, until you measured it.  ;)

I won't go into it, but as you can see, Ed's theory is different.
I can make the model T magnets into all kinds of dynamo's, but to do it the way Ed did is another story. You have to think like him and understand the same theory, otherwise you are making your own model and not a replication of the intended model.

Scotty.

P:S...Ed wrote.
"Astronomers do not know what causes seasons. All planets and the sun have magnet poles.
The magnet poles are pulling and pushing the Earth in axis way. The Earth’s summer end is
always a stronger magnet pole than the winter end, and that causes the Earth to slide axis
way and make the seasons.
Millions of people all over the world have been fooled, including myself, by wrong drawing
in geography books, in showing how the Earth’s yearly path around the sun causes summer
and winter. In fact the drawings are wrong. I was lucky. I made a rock telescope and a rock
sundial and they defooled me. Now I know the right path the Earth follows. The scientists
should come to the ROCK GATE, Homestead, Florida, and have a look at the new drawing,
the telescope and the sundial, and see how they would affect science."
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Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: mr Wiggl3s on June 15, 2009, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: scotty1 on June 15, 2009, 04:43:04 AM
Leedskalnin.net is the place where Ed's wheel is one of the main projects.
At the moment we are re-writing Ed's notes.
I have all the magnets and 4 flywheels to make Ed's wheel...plus I have 3 sets of model T coils, and the center hub.
I can get most other parts too. A friend of mine from our Blacksmith's club is building a model T and he likes me to come and clear his junk... ;D
Now I have found an old 5 HP motor at my work so i brought it home to mount my magnets on..It has strong bearings and feet for mounting to a frame, plus it has a keyed shaft.
--------------------------------
When dealing with Ed you have to remember that his theories are different from mainstream science.
One difference is that in Ed's theory the magnetic field around a conductor is not closed loops.
The field only appears closed when you put a needle in it to measure it.
In Ed's theory the needle does not really measure the field at all, but the field uses the needle as a path to run in...and so it looks closed, but really it wasn't, until you measured it.  ;)

I won't go into it, but as you can see, Ed's theory is different.
I can make the model T magnets into all kinds of dynamo's, but to do it the way Ed did is another story. You have to think like him and understand the same theory, otherwise you are making your own model and not a replication of the intended model.

Scotty.

P:S...Ed wrote.
"Astronomers do not know what causes seasons. All planets and the sun have magnet poles.
The magnet poles are pulling and pushing the Earth in axis way. The Earth’s summer end is
always a stronger magnet pole than the winter end, and that causes the Earth to slide axis
way and make the seasons.
Millions of people all over the world have been fooled, including myself, by wrong drawing
in geography books, in showing how the Earth’s yearly path around the sun causes summer
and winter. In fact the drawings are wrong. I was lucky. I made a rock telescope and a rock
sundial and they defooled me. Now I know the right path the Earth follows. The scientists
should come to the ROCK GATE, Homestead, Florida, and have a look at the new drawing,
the telescope and the sundial, and see how they would affect science."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yea i saw your videos on youtube. And "When dealing with Ed you have to remember that his theories are different from mainstream science.", that's why i wanted to find a site specifically for him, to discuss what he thought.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: sm0ky2 on June 16, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
i searched for years for a good ED resource. aside from the books ED himself wrote, the best source of information out there is Scotty's site.  i havent been to coral castle myself, but talking to people from there, and reading the research done on the subject, most of Ed's motor was dissassembled and/or mising by the time anyone got to it to document what was there.

there have been a few 'good' studies of the device, in cooridination with one of the companies that has owned the castle (not sure who owns it now....) most of what is on the internet i have found to be theorizing at best, some just outright bogus. people are selling off old truck parts as "leedskalnin motor kits"....

my understanding of the device is that the large magnetic wheel was driven by magnets on an axle ( the other axle he didnt use on the door) weights, and chains actuated the axle in several "gears" , or secondary shafts the machine 'shifted' through. this was controlled by the armerature in the center, as a bar traveled along the clovershaped rim, it would crank the gear-mechanism 4 times per rotation, shifting back to the original one at the begining of the next cycle.  unfortuantely not much is known about wether this shifting action 'winded up' the weights, or just selected which weight to turn th machine with, or a combination of both....  its a lot more complex than the infamous picture of a geared ring and magnets under it....

Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: uncleshorty on July 12, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
Howdy! I went to rock gate. An amazing feat of human inovation if he really built and moved it by himself. His magnetic flywheel is fixed to the harmonic balancer end of a model T cranck shaft. the magnets still have magnetisum. I read his thery on magnets that are everywhere and come from sunlight and the earth. Plants catch the magnets with the leaves and digest the magnets with the use of water and cloraphorm. Ed has three stone lounge chairs that he read on. A morning chair an afternoon chair, and a late afternoon chair. I read about sun gazing where people say you can get nurishment from sunlight going for years without food. Only drinking water. Mabe to make hydrocloric acid to digest the magnets that enter the nervous system through the eyes and other receptors. After reading his literiture I thought that a search for bodies around the property should be cunducted. He had alot of opinions of sex and young girls and upbringing. He had built a stone dundgon where a child could be lifted and there head inserted in a hole and then lowered into a narrow slide holding the unlucky by the neck. He had no children. He had no wife but there was a slot for her to in the dundgon. There where no coils around thr array of spinnins magnets. The tour guild said the wires went into the ground.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: rangerover444 on July 26, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
 
Here you can glimps a few pages from the translated "Magnetic Currents"
(at the beginning of the page) : http://www.leedskalnin.net/
This book will hopefully will help anyone who wanted to experience Ed’s tests, but never did.

Enjoy
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Mk1 on July 26, 2009, 05:35:07 PM
@all

Nice book magnetic current it won't show you much about the wheel but really worth a read .

I believe the wheel need to be filed by yes water with rust in it , making it a fero fluid , it is a recreation of planetary function , creating it own magnetic field , it can be transmitted magnetically with chains of steel wire.

Mark
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: NetViewer2011 on August 03, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here.  I was wondering if anyone has the measurement of the diameter of Ed's flywheel that they can share.  I used to be on the code144 forumn, but when that forumn was taken down, alot of the info regarding the flywheel dimension was lost.  If anyone from that forumn is on here and want to share the info, I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: Mk1 on August 03, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: NetViewer2011 on August 03, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here.  I was wondering if anyone has the measurement of the diameter of Ed's flywheel that they can share.  I used to be on the code144 forumn, but when that forumn was taken down, alot of the info regarding the flywheel dimension was lost.  If anyone from that forumn is on here and want to share the info, I would greatly appreciate it.

Great , i was there too !

I started my own tread over here look it up ...

I believe i have found enough evidence to say he was producing gravity .

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9479.0

 
Title: Re: leedskalnin flywheel
Post by: voltsman01 on August 20, 2010, 12:36:04 PM
The magnets are aligned in pairs, left stack are north polarity, and the right stack is south polarity. In this way the generator is producing 48 separate non converging fields, which are then converted to electricity, by passing the fields though he copper plates and windings. I made a small prototype from some bar magnets and a CD. I was able to generate the pulse effect and get just over 14 volts, continuous cycle, I have not been able to keep this self sustaining, but if with kinetic energy I can keep it up until I decide to stop it, I am now in the process of making another one and a much larger scale, I am hoping for no less than 120v.