Just a thought i want to put out there, just a half baked idea that i cooked up bearing in mind some of the things ive learned about the newman machine and concerns the coil, actually this idea half comes in the form of a question you might say.
Lets say i have a 9 volt battery connected to a coil (same shape as a newman coil) of X amount of ohms to give us 10 milliamps of current, then next to it ( for comparrison reasons) we have a much bigger coil (same wire thickness) with 100 9volts batterys in series connected to this bigger coil which has x amount of ohms that still gives us 10 milliamps of current but the difference is the 10 milliamps of current is spread over a much bigger area therfore the magnetic feild created is much bigger and so the collapsed feild is much bigger also would this be right?
If this is right would it be fair to say that we are draining 10 milliamps off the first battery then every battery after that is producing magnetic feild for free? even tho the 10 milliamps is actually being drained off the whole lot not just the first battery but you know what im saying, every battery after the first has the ohms (extra wire in coil) to make it not drain extra current which what usually happens when extra voltage is applied but becuase we have the extra ohms the current is staying the same but over a wider area.
We could used the collapsed feilds to light bulbs or whatever, but this would be what newman means when he say power of the machine squares when the size of the machine increases, newman says magnetic feild is dependant on voltage not current but all his machines drain a certain amount of current even if it is only milliamps, maybe he is half right and wrong maybe it is current that makes the feild but becuase of the high voltage input and all the extra ohms becuase of the sheere size and wire lenth in his coils he is able to produce an abundant more magnetic feild with the very small current so backspikes and mechenical power has a squared increase with coil size to the point where output is ''SIMPLY'' greater than input.
What do you all think.
Sorry for my poor English but what is a ?feild?? ???
No sorry for my poor english, its field not feild as in magnetic field.
Uhm... I'm going to explain what I think you're trying to explain.
You say that newman motor runs on volts, not on current. Of course, that's true. And you say that you need 10 mAmps, of course. And you have thought... I can create a big magnetic field (radiant energy?) to light a bulb, because as newman says, the magnetic field is dependant of voltage, not on current. So, if I connect 100 9v batteries, the first battery is suppying the 10 mAmps and the other 99 batteries are supplying only voltage. So, the 99 batteries are creating the magnetic field (radiant energy?) for free because they are not drawing amperage.
That's what I have understand. Correct?
If I have understand correctly what you said... My question now is... of course, you could light a NEON bulb, but... How you can extract enough energy from that field? Remember if you try to light a fillament light, you won't be able to light it. Only NEON bulb you can light.
My answer is: You have to build a Radian Energy Receiver to obtain all the energy from that 'magnetic' field. The second option is to research about the Electron Cascade Effect. But I can't say to you anything about ECEffect because I know almost nothing.
Quote from: Magnethos on August 10, 2008, 08:29:28 AM
Uhm... I'm going to explain what I think you're trying to explain.
You say that newman motor runs on volts, not on current. Of course, that's true. And you say that you need 10 mAmps, of course. And you have thought... I can create a big magnetic field (radiant energy?) to light a bulb, because as newman says, the magnetic field is dependant of voltage, not on current. So, if I connect 100 9v batteries, the first battery is suppying the 10 mAmps and the other 99 batteries are supplying only voltage. So, the 99 batteries are creating the magnetic field (radiant energy?) for free because they are not drawing amperage.
That's what I have understand. Correct?
If I have understand correctly what you said... My question now is... of course, you could light a NEON bulb, but... How you can extract enough energy from that field? Remember if you try to light a fillament light, you won't be able to light it. Only NEON bulb you can light.
My answer is: You have to build a Radian Energy Receiver to obtain all the energy from that 'magnetic' field. The second option is to research about the Electron Cascade Effect. But I can't say to you anything about ECEffect because I know almost nothing.
Yes you seem to be on the same page as me so far, i understand what you say about the neon light bulbs from another reasercher of the newman motor but i only used that as an example , you could fill a capacitor then feed it to a second bank of batteries or even hydrogen production.
Also the 10 milliamps is just an example.
But you agree that all the other 99 batteries in this example are providing extra energy for free
Quote from: seekingknowledge on August 11, 2008, 07:50:54 AM
Yes you seem to be on the same page as me so far, i understand what you say about the neon light bulbs from another reasercher of the newman motor but i only used that as an example , you could fill a capacitor then feed it to a second bank of batteries or even hydrogen production.
Also the 10 milliamps is just an example.
I'm not sure that you're able to obtain that amount of energy from the Magnetic Field (or radiant energy?). Of course, you can obtain a high amount of energy in a high amount of TIME. And we I say a High amount of time, I mean in days or even in weeks. You should make some calculations to see how much time.
But I repeat... extracting energy of the energy field by classical ways is not efficient. If you want to extract a good amount of energy from the energetic field, you must to build a new device... like a Radiant Energy Receiver. If you build that device, you'll be able to obtain a good amount of energy. Look at the videos from youtube... the people only can light a LED. To make a good amount of hydrogen you need at least 200 Watt of energy.
Look at the videos of MoonSpyStudios:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MoonSpyStudios
He is obtaining a good amount of energy if you compare with other systems. The technique of my friend is ok, but it's still inefficient to produce hydrogen or to supply enough power.
Quote from: seekingknowledge on August 11, 2008, 08:03:03 AM
But you agree that all the other 99 batteries in this example are providing extra energy for free
I don't agree at 100% that other 99 batteries are supplying energy for free. But It could be possible.
Magnethos:
QuoteYou say that newman motor runs on volts, not on current. Of course, that's true. And you say that you need 10 mAmps, of course. And you have thought... I can create a big magnetic field (radiant energy?) to light a bulb, because as newman says, the magnetic field is dependant of voltage, not on current. So, if I connect 100 9v batteries, the first battery is suppying the 10 mAmps and the other 99 batteries are supplying only voltage. So, the 99 batteries are creating the magnetic field (radiant energy?) for free because they are not drawing amperage.
You are totally wrong!
If you have one 9V battery and current is 10mA, your input power is 90mW = 0,09W
With 100 piece of 9V battery and 10mA input current your input power is 100 times more. 100 x 9V = 900V and input power is 9000mW = 9W.
Each battery consume 10mA of current. It's not free lunches...
And magnetic field is in proportion of wire turns and current of coil. It's called
ampere turns.
Quote from: onlov on August 11, 2008, 09:13:01 AM
Magnethos:
You are totally wrong!
If you have one 9V battery and current is 10mA, your input power is 90mW = 0,09W
With 100 piece of 9V battery and 10mA input current your input power is 100 times more. 100 x 9V = 900V and input power is 9000mW = 9W.
Each battery consume 10mA of current. It's not free lunches...
And magnetic field is in proportion of wire turns and current of coil. It's called ampere turns.
Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't sure. All that I said is theoretical.
No onlov i didnt mean each of the batteries would draw 10 lilliamps of each idividual i ment they draw that of the hole lot together.
Stefan what do you think.
Hi,
I will only comment on the Newman design in relation with collapsing fields. The coil is not designed for radient energy collection.
First, in Newman's design, bifilar coil is not used. Why? He din't bother on the 55 miles long winding or wasn't aware of their properties.
The BEMF are spent creating a strong but limited in duration magnetic push on the rotor. The little leftovers are feed back to the source.
He shorts the coil after the BEMF is spent, closing the door to anything that could be available. Then the cycle starts over again.
Take care,
Michel
Michelinho:
QuoteHe shorts the coil after the BEMF is spent, closing the door to anything that could be available. Then the cycle starts over again.
Shorting the coil means that:
Motor acts as generator and brakes running speed. Because the coil is in short circuit, running magnet induces big current to the coil and it means heavy brake effect.
Hi onlov,
That is also true onlov. The short sequence is so short in reality that the back emf have time to give more push than brake.
The short section is used to restore the coils to neutrality just before reapplying the source.
It is a wonderful design but with very few specific applications and overunity or free energy are not its forte.
Take care,
Michel