Just a rough sketch of a perpetual motion device I thought of. Basically the marbles would spin down that spiral thing, then get loaded onto a conveyor belt and be lifted upwards and dropped off at the top of the spiral. I think there would have to be some sort of locking device to prevent the conveyor belt from going backwards.
Quote from: cyclopz on September 12, 2008, 11:59:41 PM
Just a rough sketch of a perpetual motion device I thought of. Basically the marbles would spin down that spiral thing, then get loaded onto a conveyor belt and be lifted upwards and dropped off at the top of the spiral. I think there would have to be some sort of locking device to prevent the conveyor belt from going backwards.
what is causing the balls to move up the conveyor belt? definitely not the ball coming down hill to load itself, this ball does not have enough kinetic energy to push 8 other balls up.
Good point... I'm not sure... My original idea was some type of spring board that would eject the marble back up into a funnel collector somehow.
sorry that also will not work and i don't feel like explaining why right now. maybe someone else can explain.
cyclopz
Let me make a suggestion and study Bessler. This will at least give you allot of information on what has to be achieved to make one work.
I have worked on a perpetual motion device, and it didn't work; but this one is more clever ...Do you know why ? Because you want to use a vortex; but to really understand the vortex, and the strange level of energy they give, we must study Viktor Schauberger his experiences...
Agaisnt entropy, there exists a universal attractor, which increases energy by centripetal forces. We have to find it, before G w Bush.
Quote from: soliris on September 13, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
I have worked on a perpetual motion device, and it didn't work; but this one is more clever ...Do you know why ? Because you want to use a vortex; but to really understand the vortex, and the strange level of energy they give, we must study Viktor Schauberger his experiences...
Agaisnt entropy, there exists a universal attractor, which increases energy by centripetal forces. We have to find it, before G w Bush.
I'm working on it, that's exactly what I am trying to achive when I build my design :)
You know that pendulum hinge thing that was posted here, well I have modified it to make it create hundred to thousands times more energy than that pendulum can do, I only need to make the construction be able to handle the stress. And the energy I am allmost 100% sure of is only comming from the centrifugal forces, in the pendulum the gravity is only there to aid it in its oscillation..
You can see mine here: http://naboo.ws.googlepages.com/mydualmechanicaloscillator
Thanks for the advice. I will read up on Bessler. Ok here is version 3.0 of my perpetual motion device... This one I think has the potential to really work... it will be complicated but I'm hoping it's possible to use the force of gravity and gears to spin the larger "ferris wheel." The marbles will be dropped off at the top, roll down the plank and then be dropped down onto the small gear, which will then turn the large wheel. Then the bottom plank will collect the marble and roll it back down to be loaded onto the large ferris wheel... Maybe I could throw in another gear to help distribute the weight of the large wheel.
Cyclops, I think you really need to think a bit more your ideas before sharing them.
Thanks for the suggestion... I am going to rethink my designs and try to make them better.
Quote from: cyclopz on September 14, 2008, 02:44:24 AM
Thanks for the suggestion... I am going to rethink my designs and try to make them better.
The problem that everyone will face when they want to create a selfrunning gravitymachine is that the energy that comes from gravity allways be less than the energy needed to overcome it, because of friction. If you wan't to make it work you'll have to find a way to overcome the gravitational resistance, normally people try to do this by using centripetal forces ( the same kind you get when when the clothes in your washing machine gets pulled away from the center).
If you in some way manage to use that force to pull up those marbels you can in fact create a selfrunning gravity machine. It isn't easy though ;)
Naboo, you just give the definition of centrifugal forces, not centripetal forces. A centripetal force leads an element towards the centre, from outside ..
Quote from: soliris on September 14, 2008, 10:30:17 AM
Naboo, you just give the definition of centrifugal forces, not centripetal forces. A centripetal force leads an element towards the centre, from outside ..
Oh sorry, I must have mistaken the two...
Btw, is there some kind of motion that will create a centripetal force? Like an anti-rotation like movment (whatever that is....)
G'day all,
@ Naboo,
You are correct. In physics there is no such thing as centrifugal force. What we call centrifugal force is the equal and opposite reaction to centripetal force.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 14, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
G'day all,
@ Naboo,
You are correct. In physics there is no such thing as centrifugal force. What we call centrifugal force is the equal and opposite reaction to centripetal force.
Hans von Lieven
Okey, so that's the correct term on that effect. But do you know if there is some visable effect of the centripetal force then, and not its opposite.
Oh, mabye thats the force that keeps the pendulum or unbalanced wheel from moving, the axis that it rotates on....
G'day again,
This explains it better than I could
http://www.regentsprep.org/Regents/physics/phys06/bcentrif/default.htm
Hans von Lieven
This could all get a bit silly...
CF does exist and can be used and calculated in physics... but it's not a real force; More of an effect.
CP is also not a force but a force requirement to counteract CF.
So if you're on a roundabout and are pushed up against the wall due to CF then the wall is providing the necessary CP to keep you on the roundabout going round and round.
In the real world, I'm sure we all know what CF is and CP is not an appropriate substitute. But quite a few people mix these up round here and as long as we understand which is implied... who cares?
Ok I read up on the history of perpetual motion devices and I see that a lot of people have tried and failed at inventing a perpetual motion machine. I think magnet force looks like a possibility though. I designed this new machine... it will be a rotating wheel with one magnet on the edge of the wheel and a large magnet at the top to help pull up the magnet on the wheel to overcome the force of gravity. I hope this design will work. Has anyone tried a similar idea? P.S. The spiral design on the wheel is just for decoration. It would be cool because it would "hypnotize" you while it spins.
I believe that magnets are the key to getting a gravity wheel to work.. but the problems with magnets are "sticky spots" and "walls"..
Keep thinking of ideas and we welcome you to continue sharing.. don't worry about what others think.
Jason
Quote from: 4Tesla on September 15, 2008, 02:13:47 AM
I believe that magnets are the key to getting a gravity wheel to work.. but the problems with magnets are "sticky spots" and "walls"..
Keep thinking of ideas and we welcome you to continue sharing.. don't worry about what others think.
Jason
yes don't worry what others think/say but do conceder what they have to say/think, you might save yourself a lot of time this way.
and if you really want people to shut up post an open source video with a working model or at least something you think will lead to over unity/free energy technologies.
by the way welcome to overunity.com :)
its good to have enthusiastic and open source type of people like you. good luck with your quest for freedom. this is why we are here. to save the world! :) welcome to the team.
peace
Quote from: FreeEnergy on September 15, 2008, 02:42:35 AM
yes don't worry what others think/say but do conceder what they have to say/think, you might save yourself a lot of time this way.
and if you really want people to shut up post an open source video with a working model or at least something you think will lead to over unity/free energy technologies.
by the way welcome to overunity.com :)
its good to have enthusiastic and open source type of people like you. good luck with your quest for freedom. this is why we are here. to save the world! :) welcome to the team.
peace
Yes, try for yourself and don't let others get you down, some times things might work no matter if you understand it or not.
Allthough with the magnet now added you are just creating another force which effect the wheel, just like gravity, only that its local on a smal area of the wheel. Still though, the force collected from the horseshoe to attract the other magnet will be less than the pull which creates a drag on the magnet. Though you might find a solution to that problem.
Always nice to see a PM toddler ;D. Even though the "experts" directly see the flaws it's important to keep thinking and sharing, because the more you do the more experience you build and the bigger the chance get you stumble on something interesting ;). Btw for a pure gravity wheelist magnets are "cheating" even though none have shown a working gravity-magnet wheel ::). I sometimes think of magnets as well but then also realize magnets are not free. What I recommend for the math part is to have a good knowledge of how torque can be calculated. This is an important asset in the search for a gravity wheel.
To Mr Hansvonlieven : I m sure that exists a great attractor, making these unknown centripetal forces; it's so obvious that anyone of us can see it...
To Mr Broli: Some experiences with two magnets were not realised again (like the Germans did) ...And I think that we can find the secret, by knowing exactly how to STOP them, to enter just at that moment the antigravity...(The return of the shock, how do you say that, in English)
I like this forum: you take care to everyone his opinion
soliris, approaching Mos Eisly astrobase.
Always nice to see a logic toddler ;D.
Quote from: broli on September 15, 2008, 07:43:30 AM
Even though the "experts" directly see the flaws it's important to keep thinking and sharing, because the more you do the more experience you build and the bigger the chance get you stumble on something interesting ;)
QuoteWhat I recommend for the math part is to have a good knowledge of how torque can be calculated. This is an important asset in the search for a gravity wheel.
I doubt this. If it is true I know how it can be done though.
Bessler007
Cmdr, MIB HQ
Hello Broli,
I do have something to share in the field of gravity powered perpetual motion. You can see how the model works here::
Gravity Powered Perpetual Motion Revealed (GPPM) (http://www.bessler007.blogspot.com)
Bessler007
Cmdr, Black Helicopter Squadron