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Here we go again, another YouTube  ;D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gSu_Fyk3SQs

Just send hem an email to come on here.

Nice finding, any clue how its made?

I was just "talking" to him on msn messenger. Since he doesn't speak english I had to run everything through Google translate.

What I understand so far is that the ring is just a regular ring magnet you find in a speaker. And using magnetic repulsion I think rotation is achieved. He also mentioned something of a vortex or spiral staircase or something, I assume this has something to do with the ring magnetic field.

I'm trying to encourage him to make more drawings and videos. He will probably also show up here but like I said he only speaks Spanish so it can become difficult.

Quote from: broli on September 27, 2008, 03:02:39 PM
I was just "talking" to him on msn messenger. Since he doesn't speak english I had to run everything through Google translate.

What I understand so far is that the ring is just a regular ring magnet you find in a speaker. And using magnetic repulsion I think rotation is achieved. He also mentioned something of a vortex or spiral staircase or something, I assume this has something to do with the ring magnetic field.

I'm trying to encourage him to make more drawings and videos. He will probably also show up here but like I said he only speaks Spanish so it can become difficult.

Good stuff Broli

Lets hope he comes up with more info, the video and the blanket gloves make me think it is more of a hoax, but we shall see!

Near the end when he takes one hand off, his other hand wavers altering the alignment of the field...only the spinning member did not react in accordance.

To me, it appears as if he may have been operating some type of brake or switching mechanism with his foot.

I am automatically suspicious when I saw the gloves??

And the pliers as a hammer barely striking the nail looked unnatural...it was as if he was pushing through a thin barrier into a hollow receiving axle on the other side.

Regards...

Oke after a very rigorous discussion with him (at least my Spanish got better). I managed to get him to know better and I have pictures that will clarify pretty much the whole design.

As you an see from the pictures the ring consists of magnets slightly laying on top of the previous one to create an angle. The rotor magnets also seems angled. I think this is what he meant with the vortex talk. He was also talking about a more "modern" build he was apparently working on. And lots of talk about free energy,free ideas, oil addictions and so on  :P

It's good to have a Chilean One (whose main languaje is Spanish) around, isn't it? ;)

I am contacting him now to ask more details and encourage him to come here.

Regards.

It's good to have a Chilean One (whose main languaje is Spanish) around, isn't it? ;)

I am contacting him now to ask more details and encourage him to come here.

Regards.

Quote from: ChileanOne on September 27, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
It's good to have a Chilean One (whose main languaje is Spanish) around, isn't it? ;)

I am contacting him now to ask more details and encourage him to come here.

Regards.

Hey Chilean!

Nice to see you still active, please let us know what he says.

@Broli , excellent stuff mate :)

Cheers

Sean.

Where did the a2.jpg picture come from?  Are these graphics from this guy?

~Dan

Quote from: CLaNZeR on September 27, 2008, 04:27:01 PM
Hey Chilean!

Nice to see you still active, please let us know what he says.

@Broli , excellent stuff mate :)

Cheers

Sean.

Don't worry, as soon as I get some answer from him I will report, anyway, Broli already made a very good interview with him, as I can see, but somehow I think this kind of ideas have been tested to saciety  and ae known to be a dead end, or I am wrong?

I hope it works...but he must get his HAND away from it's operational parts!

:S:MSCoffman

If, the magnets are creating a Howard Johnson track being laid "partially" on top of each other, then I can see how this scheme might work.   ???
This can or would short out the magnetic spins and create a directional field reactions on the rotor.   :-\

More.. info... please....

Good stuff.....

~Dan

Hi Everyone,

This is a very interesting design, though I must admit that I have simulated and even built several similar magnet motor prototypes that didn't work. There are several animations of motors that look almost exactly like this one on Eric Vogels' website here:

http://www.fdp.nu/animations/

Dan is right. If this motor is the real deal, it definitely works on the 90 degree gating or "spin canceling" effect that Howard Johnson talked about. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, here's a few pages from his book "Discovering Magnetism" which shows some examples of the spin domains of magnets: (Open the image alone in a new window/tab to see it at full size)





Also, here's a photo of one prototype I made a few years ago that is similar (not entirely) but the rotor and stator magnets are inverted, and the critical overlap of the magnets wasn't used (which is probably why it didn't work).


This design definitely looks ridiculously simple enough to replicate though I was slightly concerned by the fact that he was kicking the rotor magnet around with his finger several times to restart it. The other problem is that he is holding the ring in his hands while the rotor magnets spin. In order for it to be a valid test, the stator ring needs to be mounted to a rigid stand so that we can rule out his minute hand movements as a possible energy input to the device. Otherwise, this may just be a glorified version of the Hamel spinner.

God Bless,
Jason O

@ all,, FYI,   everyday i check youtube for new vids tagged "magnet", ( it's like my morning newspaper), this vid showed up on youtube about 2 weeks ago for the first time, I found it interesting, then everyday after that it showed up in another users name in Spanish and English. So , because of that and the gloves ( Michael Jackson?) ,it just wierded me out., So Broli....be vary weary if you are trying to get info on it from anyone. It's been ripped like 20 times, hence the bad quality vid link  Clanzer posted ( no bad on you Clanzer, I think this guy ripped it).   To see how many times its been ripped and reposted in various names here is a link                    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=magnetic+mill&search_type=&aq=f

I believe this was the first post about 2 weeks ago    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrOQwo-IbI

I checked all the tube profiles, they all have a different age , sketchy sketchy, gnite.

The biggest thing that bothers me is the fact that he has to hold the ring for it to spin. Even if it does work exactly like he is showing, he would need to do a stationary test without his hands near it for me to be convinced.

Indeed the part where he holds the ring is the most questionable part. But I was thinking, maybe the rotor was not exaclty in the center of the ring which somehow causes the rotation, and concerning that his hand could possible be reacting to the field...what if the ring was not fixed but somehow attached to springs on its side to allow to move slightly (this is only useful if his hand movement does indeed contribute to the rotation).

Concerning all those videos. It's indeed a weird thing to have so many clones.

Is he wearing gloves because it is cold maybe dipped in liquid nitrogen previously to shooting to provide super conduction effects? Possible?
While they are material gloves there could be other gloves underneath it...

Sure he could be hiding something or maybe it is a coverup of his simplistic design to keep it from being stolen...

How can one know without fulling seeing the before and after of everything...

We can not we can only ask and assume we hear the truth.

What are those two dark horizontal lines going across the plate just under the ring? Looks like wires ???

NC

Well, I finally contacted him and we chated over messenger.

It was not easy to talk with him. The man seems to be in a pemanent state of enthusiasm about the fact that, as he claims, the design works.

I asked him since when he has got this working, and said 1990! He says has a running unit 24/7 that he uses to charge truck batteries with an electric fan motor used as dynamo.

He also says that he has much more better designs.

He provided me some clues, as that the magnets he uses are Fe B Nd alloy (that is supposed to be the best magnetic alloy for this motor) and that they are round and from old radios. I asked if they were toroidal field magnets, but he might have not understood, as he insisted the magnets must be round.

He also says the magnets must be overlapped half their distance, he says the magnets don't touch each other even as overlapped, he apparently engraves the supporting ring to allow the overlap without touching.

He said me that I need to use round magnets of 8 cm of diameter and 1 cm thick for the outer ring, and round 12 cm magnets (1 cm thick) for the rotor part.

He insisted that me try it, but I will have trouble to source such magnets. He insist it works and many people has achieved it.

He instructed me to use a fan as starting point, with a stator ring of magnets of the same diameter than the fan blades (which are of course to be removed).

That's what I got pretty much. Will review the msn log to see if something I forgot.

Anyway he says the diagrams that are already in this thread are what all what is required.

Good nights (or morning, is 15 to 5 am down here)

Regards!

Hi ChileanOne,

Now this is interesting! So... by what this guy is saying, I suppose it is safe to say that he has built a rigid version of this motor that allows him to charge the batteries in his truck!?

If anyone is interested in replicating this, I would be willing to make up a set of blueprints that we can all follow (based on the direction of the designer) if he is willing to guide us to build replications.

Just a few comments, it appears that the magnets in the video were ceramic because of their black color. Also, I'm assuming that you meant to say that the magnets are 8 mm in diameter and not 8 cm? The ones pictured in the video obviously could not have been that large.

Again, I'm willing to offer my services to draft up blueprints for a working model that we can all replicate IF the inventor is willing to openly work with us. You can see some examples of my work from the OC MPMM magnet motor saga:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg68853.html#msg68853

and

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/MagneticMotors/OC_MPMM/JasonO/drawing.pdf

This thing looks very simple to make and should be quick and easy to test. I'm willing to jump in on this if we can get some more build details.

Things I would like to know more about:

• Diameter of the stator ring
• Type of material used for the ring (plastic, wood, steel, etc...
• Angle of the magnets in the ring (was it exactly half the magnet face covered, as in (one magnet edge overlaps exactly to the diameter line of the adjacent magnet?)
  
• If the magnet faces are not in direct contact with each other, how much of a space is there between the faces?
  

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: Jdo300 on September 28, 2008, 05:12:00 AM

Also, I'm assuming that you meant to say that the magnets are 8 mm in diameter and not 8 cm? The ones pictured in the video obviously could not have been that large.
Things I would like to know more about:

• Diameter of the stator ring

8cm is the diameter of the stator ring.

In my previous conversation I tried to ask him the type of magnetic field of the magnets but it got lost in translation  :P.

Clanzer I believe you were the one that once posted this chart showing the different configurations a cylindrical magnets can have. Could you post that again please?

Quote from: broli on September 28, 2008, 05:27:08 AM
8cm is the diameter of the stator ring.

In my previous conversation I tried to ask him the type of magnetic field of the magnets but it got lost in translation  :P.

Clanzer I believe you were the one that once posted this chart showing the different configurations a cylindrical magnets can have. Could you post that again please?

Here's a good reference for the magnetic polarization directions:

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp

Here's another site with even more illustrations too:

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=14

Quote from: broli on September 28, 2008, 05:27:08 AM
Clanzer I believe you were the one that once posted this chart showing the different configurations a cylindrical magnets can have. Could you post that again please?

Here is the picture I posted a while back in another thread

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.org.uk%2Fmpats.jpg&hash=5a18a038787c196b47042ede707626b84ab23c19)

Very interesting stuff and well done everyone :)

Of course I will have a go at replicating, but short of time these days, so will not rush in as usual and wait till Jason gets some Blue Prints together of what we all conclude the configuration maybe.

He said to ChileanOne that

Angle of the magnets in the ring (was it exactly half the magnet face covered, as in (one magnet edge overlaps exactly to the diameter line of the adjacent magnet?)

But looking at Picture A2.jpg above it seems they are not half way, did he send these pictures to you Broli?

Cheers

Sean.

Quote from: CLaNZeR on September 28, 2008, 06:13:48 AM
But looking at Picture A2.jpg above it seems they are not half way, did he send these pictures to you Broli?

Yes he did.

Fellows, I must say this, that I did not want to say because it will sound harsh, but is true: Even in Spanish its tremendously difficult to get any meaningfull information from the inventor of this thing.

I asked the same questions jdo300 asks, and I got none of it answered.

I asked for ring diameter, and he told me that I needed to use the diameter of the blades of the fan (remember he told me to use an office fan as the statring point). Material was aluminum, for no particular reason. The diameter he spoke of was 8 and 12 centimeters, not milimeters, I wondered if he was not making a mistake, but he inisisted many times on it. (Got to tell you, he seems to have a poor level of languaje, perhaps he is, and I mean this in no demeaning terms, just is an appreciation derivated of the difficulty to stablish communication with this person, that he might be of very humble social position).

He insisted that I try it, that it worked and that I was going to be amazed when I got it done.

I also asked about the shape of the field, if it was toroidal (as most radio magnets are), and he seemed to be irritated by that, he asked me to shut up and listen.

He spoke very insistently of the way he thinks the effect is achieved. He talks about a "distortion" that occurs by the effect of the repulsion of the magnet faces and the weak attraction of the magnets edges (thats why I thought that the magnets had to  be so thick (1 cm), and that they must be toroidal field shaped), to generate a continuous repulsion.

I did not ask for a video of the 24/7 unit, as I begun soon to doubt that he would be able to do so. Perhaps I am being too much prejudgemental, but I assure you that it was really difficult to get any information out of him, beyond what he told spontaneously.

Regards.

It's indeed difficult to communicate with him. I talked with him again and for some reason he was upset that you questioned some ascepts of the video ChileanOne. Also I managed to find out that magnets needed to overlap each other with a gap of 5 mm. He also keeps telling to build one. So can anyone with a batch of magnets please build one? It doesn't look that difficult .

HOLA MI NOMBRE ES JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃÆ'ââ,¬ËœADOR DEL MOLINO MAGNETICO (UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA) EL MOLINO MAGNETICO ES UNA UNION DE CAMPOS MAGNETICOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD CONTENIDOS EN UN ARO U ORBITAL QUE HCEN GIRAR O ROTAR UN EJE CON IMANES EN SUS EXTREMOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD QUE LOS DEL ARO YASI ACOPLARLO A UN DINAMO DEL CUAL EXTRAEMOS O GENERAMOS ELECTRICIDAD GRATIS E ILIMITADA

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on September 28, 2008, 11:31:20 AM
HOLA MI NOMBRE ES JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃÆ'ââ,¬ËœADOR DEL MOLINO MAGNETICO (UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA) EL MOLINO MAGNETICO ES UNA UNION DE CAMPOS MAGNETICOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD CONTENIDOS EN UN ARO U ORBITAL QUE HCEN GIRAR O ROTAR UN EJE CON IMANES EN SUS EXTREMOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD QUE LOS DEL ARO YASI ACOPLARLO A UN DINAMO DEL CUAL EXTRAEMOS O GENERAMOS ELECTRICIDAD GRATIS E ILIMITADA

   Translation: Spanish ÂÃ,» English
       
HELLO MY NAME IS JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREATOR AND DESIGNER OF MAGNETIC MILL (UNIT repellents MAGNETIC SYSTEM OF ALTERNATIVE ELECTRIC GENERATION) THE MAGNETIC MILL IS A UNION OF MAGNETIC FIELDS IN A MATCH POLAROID ARO U ORBITAL TO HCEN turn or rotate an AXIS MAGNETS WITH ITS ENDS OF THE MATCH OF Polaroid ARO yasi coupled to a DYNAMICS IS Extra or Power generator UNLIMITED FREE E

EL molino magnetico  funciona de una forma similar a cualquier  molino con la diferencia que lo mueve la repelencia magnetica constante (cascada de repelencia magnetica) .
la velocidad y fuerza de torsion = campo magnetico aumentado = aleacion de los imanes

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on September 28, 2008, 11:51:15 AM
EL molino magnetico  funciona de una forma similar a cualquier  molino con la diferencia que lo mueve la repelencia magnetica constante (cascada de repelencia magnetica) .
la velocidad y fuerza de torsion = campo magnetico aumentado = aleacion de los imanes

Translation (by hand, please correct me if wrong)

"The magnetic mill functions in a form similar to a any mill with the difference that it moves the repelling magnets constantly (cascade of magnetic repulsion).
The velocity and force of torsion = increased magnetic field = [alloy magnets]??" <- Not sure about that last part"

Spanish is definitely not my first language but I can help with the translation.

@Juan,

Gracias por venir a este foro para que nos ayuden a la reproducciÃÆ'Ã,³n de su motor magnÃÆ'Ã,©tico. Estoy muy interesado en experimentar con este dispositivo, pero quiero poner juntos algunos dibujos tÃÆ'Ã,©cnicos  de base del dispositivo que todos puede utilizar para reproducir con precisiÃÆ'Ã,³n su motor.

Hay muchas personas aquÃÆ'Ã,­ que estÃÆ'Ã,¡n muy interesados en trabajar en, pero hemos perseguido despuÃÆ'Ã,©s de muchos diseÃÆ'Ã,±os en el pasado que no funcionÃÆ'Ã,³. Por lo tanto, muchas personas quieren un simple paso a paso plan que les darÃÆ'Ã,¡ resultados.

Si hay algo que pueda hacer para ayudarle a comunicar su diseÃÆ'Ã,±o al grupo, por favor, hÃÆ'Ã,¡gamelo saber.

TambiÃÆ'Ã,©n, por favor, perdona mi mal espaÃÆ'Ã,±ol.

AdiÃÆ'Ã,³s,
Jason O

[English]

Thank you for coming to this forum to help us with the replication of your magnetic motor. I am very interested in experimenting with this device but want to put together some technical drawings of the device that everyone can use to accurately reproduce your motor.

There are many people here who are very interested in working on your magnetic motor but we have chased after many designs in the past that did not work. So, many people want a simple step by step plan that will give them results.

If there is anything I can do to help you communicate your design to the group, please let me know.

Also, please forgive my bad Spanish

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: Jdo300 on September 28, 2008, 02:31:26 PM
Translation (by hand, please correct me if wrong)

"The magnetic mill functions in a form similar to a any mill with the difference that it moves the repelling magnets constantly (cascade of magnetic repulsion).
The velocity and force of torsion = increased magnetic field = [alloy magnets]??" <- Not sure about that last part"

Spanish is definitely not my first language but I can help with the translation.

@Juan,

Gracias por venir a este foro para que nos ayuden a la reproducciÃÆ'Ã,³n de su motor magnÃÆ'Ã,©tico. Estoy muy interesado en experimentar con este dispositivo, pero quiero poner juntos algunos dibujos tÃÆ'Ã,©cnicos  de base del dispositivo que todos puede utilizar para reproducir con precisiÃÆ'Ã,³n su motor.

Hay muchas personas aquÃÆ'Ã,­ que estÃÆ'Ã,¡n muy interesados en trabajar en, pero hemos perseguido despuÃÆ'Ã,©s de muchos diseÃÆ'Ã,±os en el pasado que no funcionÃÆ'Ã,³. Por lo tanto, muchas personas quieren un simple paso a paso plan que les darÃÆ'Ã,¡ resultados.

Si hay algo que pueda hacer para ayudarle a comunicar su diseÃÆ'Ã,±o al grupo, por favor, hÃÆ'Ã,¡gamelo saber.

TambiÃÆ'Ã,©n, por favor, perdona mi mal espaÃÆ'Ã,±ol.

AdiÃÆ'Ã,³s,
Jason O

[English]

Thank you for coming to this forum to help us with the replication of your magnetic motor. I am very interested in experimenting with this device but want to put together some technical drawings of the device that everyone can use to accurately reproduce your motor.

There are many people here who are very interested in working on your magnetic motor but we have chased after many designs in the past that did not work. So, many people want a simple step by step plan that will give them results.

If there is anything I can do to help you communicate your design to the group, please let me know.

Also, please forgive my bad Spanish

God Bless,
Jason O

Well done jdo300, your message is impecably written.

Here are some more masterpieces from him...

Could anyone translate the text on them?

Very interesting.  He shows the rotor going in, what I think is, the repel direction.
If you look at the youtube vid  closely you will see the rotor going in the direction his latest drawing depicts.

Nice.

~Dan

Hello. He says that the neodymium magnets are overlapped at half height with the next magnet, all into the support ring. Sorry for my bad english. ;)

So where are those builds people!

Hello again. All the magnets are working on repulsion mode with the rotor magnets. ;)

1/2 of the next mag...?  His pic is a little off then....  Hm...

Hi Everyone,

Here's a translation of the images:

Okay, Put this together with a few ferrite magnets from small cheap speakers, like the ones you get free with a computer.

All I had was five, the magnets from the speakers are glued into a metal can and hard to remove without breaking.

The rotor magnets has an opposite pole to the stators. Yes, it is in attraction, but in a twisting torque because of the angles. The stators are overlapped to center.

When the rotor is slid just even with the first stator magnet it shoots thru and ending up as in the photo. When sliding the rotor back thru the stator fields each magnet pushes back, but no harder then when sliding pass the first wall to start it up.

Seems to work better than most gates and may not have the problem of becoming one big magnet when the circle is complete.

At this point I would say it justifies farther development with Neo's. I have enough of those (1"x1/8") but it would require that a much stronger be built. I'm busy with another project right now so it will have to be later.

Regards, Larry

Well guys, I congratulate you all for getting Juan to share all that extra information. I still would like to know the field shape of the magnets, tho.

I was all afternoon travelling, so I really missed the action, I think now we have all needed to replicate, if only these speaker magnets were easier to get down here.

BTW, I agree that the photo does not match the explanation, but I think the phot is just for reference and not the working unit.

I'm really excited by all this.

Thanks Juan!!!

@ALL

While I am not very positive about a pure magnetic motor with a fixed stator magnets.
I would like to purpose that his motor is an example of:
           "A Bulge Wave Stator Magnetic Motor"

In a Bulge Wave Stator motor, the field magnets have some degree of freedom of
movement. Alternating overlapped magnets change the externally available field
strength dynamically based in repulsion to the rotor. The overlap acts as an
inverse iris. What probably happens is that the "magnetic wall",  which happens
because of individual magnet gradients, is rotated continuously as to keep it at
right angles to the rotor arms. Also the Bulge Wave also allows a drive vector that is
partially tangential to the rotors motion. Some of Arthur Quinn's Mayernik Arrays,
I feel may have used this bulge wave to operate. Someone in communication jdo300
might ask him if he feels this has any bearing to the operation of his motor.
The small, mainly hand magnet, version in you-tube may give only "feel" of the
motors operating characteristics. Someone should watch this thread as...
this may be IT.

:S:MarkSCoffman

 ???

No luck. The rotor does not spin.

More info is needed.

~Dan

Quote from: Dansway on October 01, 2008, 01:29:12 PM
???

No luck. The rotor does not spin.

More info is needed.

~Dan

It hard to tell in your pic but your rotor radius seems a lot smaller than your stator.

I know my pic was confusing, but the stators red knex sticks and connectors forced it into an arc. The orange rotor stick had to be a close radius to that arc. The magnet on the stator had to be almost parallel to the magnets on the stator for it to pull correctly (like Juan's drawings). When the angles were right, it shot thru the arc. It even pulled thru the arc when the stator magnet was dragging on a surface.

Regards, Larry   

I quit talking to this guy. He's really difficult to talk to and it has nothing to do with the language. I don't know how hard it is to make more videos. Instead he made 100+ accounts on youtube all showing one and the same video. His latest account is just 5 hours ago, just type "magnetic mill" or pretty much any search for "magnet" will show you the mess he made. Even though he's not ripping off people he's still a fraud in my eyes. He wasted my time that I gave to help him and probably others.

I'm holding the magnetic ring much closer to the camera than the rotor.

~Dan

Quote from: broli on October 01, 2008, 05:38:55 PM
I quit talking to this guy. He's really difficult to talk to and it has nothing to do with the language. I don't know how hard it is to make more videos. Instead he made 100+ accounts on youtube all showing one and the same video. His latest account is just 5 hours ago, just type "magnetic mill" or pretty much any search for "magnet" will show you the mess he made. Even though he's not ripping off people he's still a fraud in my eyes. He wasted my time that I gave to help him and probably others.

Call me crazy but I'm not quite ready to totally dump this idea. We should ask him to post some photos of the exact one that he used in the video here. If we know even one of the dimensions and we have a clear image of the stator ring and rotor, then we can design replications right from that. If he is still on the forum watching this thread. I wouldn't mind contacting him directly to ask if he would be willing to provide some photographs for us. IF he really is interested in helping us replicate it, then it shouldn't be a problem. But if he has any problems with doing that, then it's not worth perusing this (with him).

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: Dansway on October 01, 2008, 05:50:06 PM
I'm holding the magnetic ring much closer to the camera than the rotor.

~Dan

Thanks for the info Dan. Hard to tell, but is the magnets on your rotor at a 45 angle? It seems that at least a 45 is required to get parallel to a correctly set up stator ring.

Regards, Larry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-6A6ahISs

Okay..... that was pointless... So anyway, how many people have some small disk ceramic magnets laying around? The only way we are going to know if this works is by testing it out.

Dan's model has Neo Magnets in it but I think that the ratio of the diameter to the thickness is not right to get the effect. My guess at present is that if this works, the magnets will have to be more flat like wafers (like the ones in the picture he posted. I also believe that it will be easier to make one out of ceramic magnets rather than neos, since it is pretty obvious that the magnets in the videos were NOT neos. To further solidify this thought, he did mention that he got the magnets out of old speakers which I know are ceramic 5 or 8.

Using weak ceramics for the stator and rotor, one could easily cut a few rings of PVC pipe for the outer casing and just hot glue the magnets in to test it out. no High-tech setups needed here as it is clear that it doesn't take much to see if the effect is real.

I would be testing this out myself but I have other obligations at present that prevent me from experimenting as I would like to.

God Bless,
Jason O

I disagree, everytime a Latino comes in with a magnet concept I dance with my magnets to the loco beat.

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 01, 2008, 06:21:55 PM
Call me crazy but I'm not quite ready to totally dump this idea. We should ask him to post some photos of the exact one that he used in the video here. If we know even one of the dimensions and we have a clear image of the stator ring and rotor, then we can design replications right from that. If he is still on the forum watching this thread. I wouldn't mind contacting him directly to ask if he would be willing to provide some photographs for us. IF he really is interested in helping us replicate it, then it shouldn't be a problem. But if he has any problems with doing that, then it's not worth perusing this (with him).

God Bless,
Jason O

Good luck with that. You will get nothing out of him besides useless talk. He's very thickheaded, if he really had something note worthy he would have worked his ass off to show as much of it as possible. He'll annoy you very quickly.

Gotta love South America........................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-6A6ahISs

I feel utterly insulted! Ricky Martin is not South American!! At best he is Centro American, but he definitely comes from Puerto Rico, Northern Hemisphere. We Chileans are far from being tropical salsa dancers. We are good old fashioned mediterranean landowners.   ;D

;)

This is my first post and I feel disgusted with you guys because instead of making your little big magnetic motors or something you`re jerking off with ricky`s gay videos,
the ideea of the permanent magnet motor is not new in fact there is an inventor in china right now who has an almost identic model and they are giving him goverment support and funds. I would speak with this guy in spanish if it helps you build working models of this motor.
Ah and yes I`m from Spain. Keep up the good work. Thanks

Quote from: Dansway on October 01, 2008, 01:29:12 PM
???

No luck. The rotor does not spin.

More info is needed.

~Dan

you`re trying to build one or bust the myth. ?  ;D  you remember me of that Mythbusters episode when they were trying to bust the Bedini motor but without the coils

Quote from: paraipan on October 04, 2008, 12:44:50 AM
This is my first post and I feel disgusted with you guys because instead of making your little big magnetic motors or something you`re jerking off with ricky`s gay videos,
the ideea of the permanent magnet motor is not new in fact there is an inventor in china right now who has an almost identic model and they are giving him goverment support and funds. I would speak with this guy in spanish if it helps you build working models of this motor.
Ah and yes I`m from Spain. Keep up the good work. Thanks

Hello Paraipan:

It's good to have enthusiasm, but I already had a chat with this guy via msn and is not at all easy to follow him even for a native spanish talker (I am from Chile). I intend to have more chats with him as I have no reason to doubt of his honesty, but getting him to share design details with accuracy is very difficult. I'd post the chat I had with him if you are interested, I saved it as a way to keep a record of our talk, but is not very usefull.

Regards.

I don`t want to see your chat logs man you already gave me all the info I needed to build this one. It`s simple and easy to build at greater scale altough it will work as long as the magnets last

Hello All,

I'm currently chatting with the inventor now and he gave me a couple more pictures to post. here they are:



More to come...

God Bless,
Jason O

Here's some more info from Juan:

aro = ring  , diametro del aro relacionado proporcionalmente a los imanes en su interior , angulo de imanes del aro 90 grados angulo de imanes en el eje 95 grados. Aro  puede ser una solo pieza con los imanes en su interior no necesariamente imanes y aro ser distintas piezas.

unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino magnetico creado y diseñado por juan carlos aviles moran  desde 1989. basado en escritos de la biblioteca del serapeum.

I will translate this into English as soon we we finish chatting.

God Bless,
Jason O

Ok, here's another picture:


God Bless,
Jason O

More information from Juan:

"la repelencia magnetica como energia potenciadora es la energia de materia no masica. votice artificial creado por la unificacion de campos magneticos de igual polaridad contenidos en un aro u orbital los nazis obtubieron estos conocimientos de antiguo biblioteca del serapeum."

God Bless,
Jason O

and more:

"informacion del molino magnetico puede ser usado en interfase electrica , como vehiculo y tambien puede levitar. usos ilimitados. OVNI= OBJETO VOLADOR NO IDENTIFICADO = MODELO  MODERNO DE MOLINO MAGNETICO. molino magnetico puede ser usado de interfase electrica como vehiculo y tambien levita. aleciones especiales de mas de 70000 gaus"

"los extraterrestres no existen. los extraterrestres no existen solo existen naves circulares potenciadas por vortices artificiales magneticos"

Translation of the two images:



God Bless,
Jason O

Quote"la repelencia magnetica como energia potenciadora es la energia de materia no masica. votice artificial creado por la unificacion de campos magneticos de igual polaridad contenidos en un aro u orbital los nazis obtubieron estos conocimientos de antiguo biblioteca del serapeum."

Translation:

"The magnetic repulsion is like potential energy. It is the energy of the material not the mass. Artificial vortices are created by the unification of magnetic fields of the same polarity in an orbital ring. The Nazis obtained this knowledge from the ancient library of Serapeum."

Quote"informacion del molino magnetico puede ser usado en interfase electrica , como vehiculo y tambien puede levitar. usos ilimitados. OVNI= OBJETO VOLADOR NO IDENTIFICADO = MODELO  MODERNO DE MOLINO MAGNETICO. molino magnetico puede ser usado de interfase electrica como vehiculo y tambien levita. aleciones especiales de mas de 70000 gaus"

"los extraterrestres no existen. los extraterrestres no existen solo existen naves circulares potenciadas por vortices atificiales magneticos"

Translation:

"Information about the magnetic mill can be used in an electronic interface, sucj as vehicles and can also cause levitation. Unlimited use. UFO = Unidentified Flying Object = Model OF Modern Magnetic Mill. There are special magnets with more then 70,000 Gauss.

The aliens do not exist. There are no aliens existing only ships powered by circular artificial magnetic vortices."

If the original sounds a little funny, keep in mind that this was pasted together from the chat conversation I had with him.

Also I was able to glean some more details about the magnet motor in the video he posted. The magnets that he used were 2 cm dia x 0.5 cm thk (0.78" x 0.19"). Also, the ring that the magnets were mounted on was actually a cardboard tape roll! So just with this information alone, we can easily replicate this device. I just went to Home Depot earlier this evening and grabed up a few packs of ceramic disk magnets that just happened to be almost exactly the same size as the ones Juan used. They are 0.75" dia x 0.2" thk.

God Bless,
Jason O

Here's the last picture. Almost forgot to translate it:


His mention of the 90 and 95 degree angles don't make sense to me as I don't see what the reference point is. I'll try to ask him more about this if I talk to him again later on.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi All,

My second attempt and still no luck.  The rotor does not spin.   ???

~Dan

dan the man...   you do awsome work....


too bad you dont use square neos....  i think that may just solve the problem....

cheers


ist

Hello Dansway!!!!

Incredible replications skills you have!!!!!!  :o

I would only say that without knowing the exact shape of the magnet polarization used by our Salvadorean friend, we are working blind. I'd say also that the magnets in the rotor should almost be parallel to the ones in the stator, as per Juan insistence on that fact.

I understood that he used "old radio magnets", and, in my experience, all radio magnets are from speakers, and all speaker magnets toroidally Magnetized. That also makes one of Juan's obscure theoretical points to make sense, if that's possible, when he refers to the fact that the magnet thickness is important because of the attraction it exerts (remember he says the magnets must be en repulsion mode).

Hope this helps.

Quote from: CLaNZeR on September 28, 2008, 06:10:43 AM
Here is the picture I posted a while back in another thread

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.org.uk%2Fmpats.jpg&hash=5a18a038787c196b47042ede707626b84ab23c19)

I think the magnets Juan uses are radially magnetized, as per this Picture posted earlier in this thread by Clanzer.

Are your magnets of this kind, Dansway?

Regards.

My ceramic mags are Axial Magnetized.

Ok... I guess we try something different...

I wish Juan Carlos Aviles Moran would take some nice photos of one of his "working" circular magnet motor (CMM) and post it here!

~Dan

odd according to the picture he gave the neo appears to be flat on the rotor and standing up on the stator...

The rotor is the unit that rotates hence the name.

The stator is the outside ring that is stationary again hence the name.

One easy way to remember the differnce!

Try it for us dan make your rotor magnets flat as if laying flat on table and leave your stator magnets the way they are.

EDIT:

It also appears from the video and the picture that the rotor is much closer to the stator so there is less of a gap.

-infringer-

Quote from: infringer on October 05, 2008, 12:58:52 PM


Try it for us dan make your rotor magnets flat as if laying flat on table and leave your stator magnets the way they are.

EDIT:

It also appears from the video and the picture that the rotor is much closer to the stator so there is less of a gap.

-infringer-

Dan

I would  agree  with infringer

those things might help

Another thing to try  if  you have some  larger magnets is to   use large magnets for   your rotor.

I have seen time and time again a ratio of  between  3.5 to 4 to 1   in the  size of  the  rotor   stator magnets . 
Edit     To clarify .   
The larger of the magnets should be acting on  the fields of  3.5 to  4  of the smaller magnets ..   this should  provide a  much smoother power  output . 

gary

@resonanceman:

Amazing to meet another magnet head.  It's too bad there are not more of you in my city.  ;D
I know of what you speak and more.   ;)

QuoteI have seen time and time again a ratio of  between  3.5 to 4 to 1   in the  size of  the  rotor   stator magnets .
Edit     
To clarify .   
The larger of the magnets should be acting on  the fields of  3.5 to  4  of the smaller magnets ..   this should  provide a  much smoother power  output .

If you view the video clip again, look closely where Juan holds the stator ring.
Juan holds it above the rotor and not in the middle of the rotor ring plane.  This is important.
I found this out after playing around with my replication set up.

At this point I feel Juan indeed has a working magnet motor!

Regards,

~Dan

Hello Dansway!

Is good to see you keep enthusiastic about this motor. I took the liberty of sending to Juan a picture of your last build and asked him why it would'nt work.

His answer:

"tiene muchos errores en pocicionamiento estructural en el aro "

"It has too many errors in the structural positioning in the ring".

He does not like to communicate through e.mail so he keeps asking to chat over msn, something I have not had time to do, but I still keep my feelings about him being true and honest, albeit a bit cranky to get along with.

I have a good hunch on this one. Is about time we find a working solution.

My Best Regards!!

Quote from: Dansway on October 05, 2008, 11:48:02 PM
@resonanceman:

Amazing to meet another magnet head.  It's too bad there are not more of you in my city.  ;D
I know of what you speak and more.   ;)

I have had a fascination  with magnets for  many years .

:)

I  havn't been  expermenting  with  them much lately because of  the cost of  the magnets that I would need to buy

One  Idea  would be a magnet motor  based on  shifting  flux paths  to  make the  motor run . 


gary

More Images:

Here are some comments that Juan posted on anther video website that he wanted me to post here. It is a lot (and it is in Spanish) so I'll start to translate it as I have time:

"SE DEBEN TOMAR EN CUENTA LOS SISTEMAS ALTERNATIVOS DE GENERACION ELECTRICA ENTRE ELLOS LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA 0 MOLINO MAGNETICO (MAGNETIC MILL) CREADO Y DISEÃ'ADO POR JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN (email manueljose_888@hotmail.com) ESTE SISTEMA UTILIZA LA UNIFICACION DE CAMPOS MAGNETICOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD DENTRO DE UN ARO PARA CREAR UN MOVIMIENTO CONTINUO O MOVIL PERPETUO CON EL CUAL POTENCIAMOS O HACEMOS GIRAR EL EJE DE UN DINAMO GENERANDO ASI ELECTRICIDAD ILIMITADA Y GRATUITA COMPARTO MIS DISEÃ'OS Y CONOCIMIENTOS DEL MOLINO MAGNETICO DE FORMA GRATUITA Y ASI TERMINAR CON EL MONOPOLIO ENERGETICO SE TERMINARIAN LAS GUERRAS Y LA HAMBRUNA MUNDIAL Y NO SE NECESITARIAN DESPERDICIAR LAS COSECHAS DE CEREALES PARA PRODUCIR BIO-COMBUSTIBLES ESTOY A SU ENTERA DISPOCICION PARA TRABAJAR CONJUNTAMENTE CON USTEDES Y ERRADICAR EN VERDAD LA POBREZA PERO USANDO UN MEDIO INAGOTABLE DE ENERGIA COMO ES LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA .
POSTDATA : SI YO SOY EL QUE SUBE EL MISMO VIDEO ES LA FORMA DE MANIFESTARME PACIFICAMENTE Y DE INFORMAR AL PUBLICO SOBRE LO FACIL QUE ES CONSTRUIR LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MAGNETIC MILL

SI YO SOY EL QUE HA SUBIDO MUCHAS VECES EL VIDEO DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MOLINO MAGNETICO LO HICE PARA QUE ABRAN LOS OJOS Y SE DEN CUENTA LO FACIL QUE ES GENERAR ELECTRICIDAD ILIMITADA Y DE FORMA GRATUITA NO QUIERO DINERO NI RECONOCIMIENTO PUBLICO SOLO ME MANIFIESTO DE MANERA PACIFICA PARA QUE EL MUNDO SE DE CUENTA LO FACIL QUE ES CONSTRUIR LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA TODA LA INFORMACION BASICA ESTA EN GOOGLE.COM ,FRESQUI.COM , YOUTUBE.COM SOLO ESCRIBA EN LOS BUSCADORES DE ESTAS PAGINAS UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (Y EN EL FORO DE OVERUNITY.COM EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill) NO SOY UN RENEGADO NI UN REBELDE SOLO QUIERO QUE SE DEN CUENTA LO FACIL QUE ES CONSTRUIR UNA ESTACION DE PODER A PARTIR DE LA UNIFICACION DE CAMPOS MAGNIFICADOS O AUMENTADOS DE IGUAL POLARIDAD MAGNETICA CONTENIDOS EN UN ARO.

LOS GOBIERNOS DEBEN INVOLUCRARSE EN CREAR OPORTUNIDADES DE GENERAR PROYECTOS DE BENEFICIO COMUN, TALES COMO LA GENERACION ELECTRICA GRATUITA COMO LO HE PROPUESTO, PERO SI LO DEJAN AL ARBITRIO DEL LIBRE MERCADO QUE PRIVILEGIA SOLO LAS GANACIAS, NO ES POSIBLE CONSIDERAR EL FACTOR COMO PARTE DEL SISTEMA PRIVATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA. LO QUE TRATO DE DECIR ES QUE EXISTE UN MONOPOLIO ENERGETICO CONCENTRATO EN MANOS DE UNOS POCOS EMPRESARIOS A LOS CUALES NO LES INTERESA AFECTAR DE UNA MANERA NEGATIVA LA ECONOMIA, EN TANTO NO DISMINUYAN SUS MEGA-GANANCIAS, EJEMPLO EL PETROLIO Y SU PRECIO ES UN ASUNTO MERAMENTE ESPECULATIVO Y NO TIENE NINGUNA RELACION CON LOS COSTOR REALES DE PRODUCCION, LO MISMO OCURRE CON LA BOLSA DE VALORES DE EEUU. DONDE LAS PUBLICIDAD GENERADA POR ELLO MISMOS HACE FLUCTUR A SU CONVENIENCIA LOS PRECIOS EN EL MERCADO, DEJANDO A LOS PAISES TERCERMUNDISTAS SIN OPCION E INVIRTIENDO SUS CAPITALES EN LA COMPRA DEL PETROLEO EN PERJUCIO DE LAS ECONOMIAS DOMESTICAS, PRODUCIENDOSE UNA ESPECIE DE ESCLAVISMO MODERNO QUE LLEVA A GRANDES MASAS A EMIGRAR EN BUSCAS DE MEJORES SALARIOS, PERDIENDOSE ASI LA UNIDAD FAMILIAR Y HACIENDO MAS PROFUNDA LA DEPENDENCIA DE TRABAJAR POR BAJOS SALARIOS EN PAISES EXTRANJEROS QUIENES SON LOS QUE SE BENEFICIAN DE LA MANO DE OBRA BARATA E INCONDICIONAL.
LA GUERRA DE IRAQ Y DEL MEDIO ORIENTE HA SIDO UN TRISTE EPICIDIO HISTORICO INNECESARIO COMBIERTIENDOSE EN UNA BURLA Y OPROBIO A NIVEL MUNDIAL, QUEDANDO AL DESCUBIERTO EL MONOPILIO ENERGETICO MUNDIAL QUE SOLO PUEDE SER ELIMINADO SI CADA HOGAR DEL MUNDO TUBIERA INDEPENDENCIA ENERGETICA, ES POR ESTO QUE DEBE SER ANALIZADA A PROFUNDIDAD EL SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA.

LOS GOBIERNOS DEL MUNDO PODRIAN DESARROLLAR LOS MEDIOS ALTERNATIVOS DE GENERACION ELECTRICA Y ASI BENEFICIAR SUS PROPIAS ECONOMIAS YA QUE AL VOLVER AUTOSUFICIENTE O INDEPENDIENTE A CADA HOGAR DE GENERAR POR EL MISMO SU PROPIA ENERGIA ELECTRICA DE CONSUMO LOS GOBIERNOS TENDRIAN LA ENERGIA EXEDENTE QUE YA NO CONSUME LA POBLACION DE LOS SISTEMAS TRADICIONALES DE PODER (HIDRO-ELECTRICAS , ESTACIONES POTENCIADAS POR PETROLEO , GEOTERMICAS ETC.) Y ESTOS SISTEMS TRADICIONALES ESTARIAN AL 100% DE CAPACIDAD PARA QUE EL GOBIERNO LOS USARA UNICAMENTE PARA CREAR EMPRESAS QUE DARIAN EMPLEOS A LA POBLACION ASI LA ECONOMIA ESTARIA MAS EQUILIBRADA Y ESTABLE.

YO NO LUCHO CONTRA LA MISERIA RECOLECTANDO LIMOSNAS NI DICIENDOLE A LOS GOBERNANTES Y A SUS GOBIERNOS COMO HACER SU TRABAJO EL CUAL ELLOS MISMOS NO DESEMPEÃ'AN A CABALIDAD PORQUE NO TIENEN INTENCIONES REALES DE AYUDAR AL PUEBLO. ES EN LA TECNOLOGIA Y EN LA CIENCIA DONDE HAY QUE APOYARSE ABRAN LOS OJOS LA ELECTRICIDAD SE PUEDE GENERAR DE FORMA GRATUITA SIN EL CONSUMO DE OTRA ENERGIA MOLINO MAGNETICO MAGNETIC MILL UTILIZA LA FUERZA DE REPELENCIA DE IMANES ARTIFICIALES DE ALEACION ESPECIAL PARA CREAR UN MOVIMIENTO CONTINUO O MOVIL PERPETUO QUE SERA ACOPLADO AL EJE DE UN DINAMO PARA ASI GENERAR ELECTRICIDAD GRATUITA E ILIMITADA Y DEJAR ASI DE TALAR BOSQUES PARA LEÃ'A DE COCINAR NI USAR COMBUSTIBLES NI BIO-COMBUSTIBLES QUE CONTAMINAN Y DESESTABILIZAN EL CLIMA Y CREAN EL EFECTO DE CALENTAMIENTO GLOBAL . SI A LA ENERGIA LIBRE SI A LA LIBERTAD ECONOMICA..

LO QUE TRATO DE DECIR ES QUE SI NO DAMOS MEDIOS PERMANENTES PARA SUPERAR LA POBREZA Y LA MISERIA SOLO LE DAMOS LARGAS NO ARREGLAMOS REALMENTE EL PROBLEMA . LA ENERGIA LO ES TODO CON ABUNDANCIA DE ENERGIA GRATIS E INAGOTABLE SE PUEDE EMPRENDER CUALQUIER NEGOCIO Y ESO AFECTARIA POSITIVAMENTE LAS ECONOMIAS DOMESTICAS ERRADICANDO LA POBREZA UN EJEMPLO CLARO ES EL PAIS DE KUWAIT O LOS EMIRATOS ARABES AHI HAY EXEDENTE DE ENERGIA (PETROLEO) DANDO PIE A QUE LAS EMPRESAS FUNCIONEN CON BAJOS COSTOS DE PRODUCCION ES DECIR INVIRTIENDO POCO Y GANANDO MUCHO LO MISMO SE PODRIA HACER UTIIZANDO LA ENERGIA ELECTRICA POTENCIADA POR UNIDADES DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA…

YO NO ESTOY DE ACUERDO EN RECOLECTAR FONDOS Y DAR LIMOSNAS NI DE PRESIONAR A LOS GOBIERNOS A QUE HAGAN BIEN SU TRABAJO LO QUE YO PROPONGO ES LIBERAR AL POBRE DE SU POBREZA MOSTRANDOLE COMO …Y LA UNICA OPCION ES QUE LOS HOGARES DEL TERCER-MUNDO SE VUELVAN AUTOSUFICIENTES E INDEPENDIENTES DE LA RED COMUNITARIA DE SUMINISTRO DE ENERGIA ELECTRICA ASI NO TENDRIAN QUE COMPRAR GAS PARA COCINAR O PARA CALEFACCION NI PAGARIAN MAS LA TARIFA ELECTRICA PODRIAN OPTAR POR MEDIOS DE TRANSPORTE POTENCIADOS POR ENERGIA ELECTRICA Y LO MEJOR ES QUE CADA HOGAR TENDRIA UN CAPITAL ENERGETICO ES DECIR CON UNA ESTACION DE PODER INAGOTABLE Y GRATUITA PODRIAN TENER UN NEGOCIO PROPIO ES DECIR UNA PEQUEÃ'A EMPRESA… ESTO MEJORARIA LA ECONOMIA FAMILIAR

LA MEJOR AYUDA PARA ERRADICAR LA POBREZA Y LA MISERIA ES EL CONOCIMIENTO DE COMO GENERAR ENERGIA GRATUITA E ILIMITADA LA EDUCACION INTEGRAL ES MEJOR QUE UNA LIMOSNA EFIMERA Y HACER ALARDE DEL PROTAGONISMO HUMANITARIO LES PROPONGO UNA SOLUCION REAL Y PERMANENTE PARA MEJORAR LAS ECONOMIAS Y ES IMPLANTANDO EL SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL - MOLINO MAGNETICO)…

” DEMOS A LOS POBRES UN MEDIO DE SUBSISTENCIA DIGNO DEMOSLES LA ENERGIA LIBRE Y ASI LOS LIBERAREMOS DE LA POBREZA Y DE SU MISERIA “

MOLINO MAGNETICO - MAGNETIC MILL (UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA ) ACOPLADO A UN DINAMO GENERA ELECTRICIDAD GRATIS E ILIMITADA JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN email manueljose_888@hotmail.com

vea en youtube.com el video de la unidad de repelencia magnetica este video muestra un molino magnetico a escala imagine lo que haria un modelo de 2 metros de diametro potenciaria o haria girar el eje de un dinamo de 5000watt generando asi electricidad gratuita e ilimitada CON ESTO SI QUE ERRADICARIAMOS LA POBREZA

IEVE / you tube ANIMA A ALZAR LA VOZ FRENTE A LA POBREZA pues bien yo ya estoy alzando mi voz ojala alguien me escuche….

FREE ENERGY LIBERTAD ROMPAMOS LAS CADENAS DEL MONOPOLIO ENERGETICO MUNDIAL ESTAS SON LAS CAUSANTES DE LA POBREZA ; DEMOS A LOS POBRES EL CONOCIMIENTO PARA QUE SALGAN DE SU POBREZA (UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA MOLINO MAGNETICO-MAGNETIC MILL SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA )

“DARLE A UN POBRE UNA LIMOSNA SOLO PROLONGA SU MISERIA; DARLE AL POBRE EL CONOCIMIENTO PARA QUE SALGA DE SU POBREZA PROLONGA SU RIQUEZA”

“NO HAY MAYOR POBRE QUE EL QUE NO SABE COMO SALIR DE SU POBREZA”

EN ESTE TIEMPO PRESENTE LA TECNOLOGIA SOLO SIRVE PARA AUMENTAR LA VANIDAD Y LA CODICIA YO PROPONGO QUE NOS UNAMOS TODOS Y USEMOS LA TECNOLOGIA PARA EL BIENESTAR COMUN ABRAMOS LOS OJOS Y NOS DEMOS CUENTA QUE LA NECESIDAD DE LOS DEMAS ES TAN GRANDE COMO NUESTRA INDIFERENCIA A HACER LO CORRECTO

GOBIERNOS Y GOBERNANTES POITICOS Y BUROCRATAS HASTA CUANDO OBRARAN CON RECTITUD SU MEDIOCRIDAD Y AMBICIONES DESMEDIDAS DESTRUYEN, ARRUINAN Y ANIQUILAN MILES DE VIDAS

LA POBREZA DEL MISERABLE ES COMPARABLE A LA POBREZA DE VALORES EN LOS POLITICOS Y GOBERNANTES QUE PUDIENDO ALIVIAR DE ALGUNA MANERA AL NECESITADO CIERRAN SUS OJOS A LA RECTITUD

QUIEN? DEFENDERA LA NECESIDAD Y LA CAUSA DE LOS INDEFENSOS QUIEN ?LOS LIBRARA DE SU SUFRIMIENTO SERAN LOS MISMOS QUE ROBAN TRAS SUS PUESTOS EN LOS GOBIERNOS SERAN ESOS… LOS MISMOS QUE PROVOCAN LA POBREZA SERAN QUIENES LA RESUELVA SERAN ESOS…..

YO EXIJO A LOS GOBERNOS DEL MUNDO QUE CUMPLAN CON LOS OBJETIVOS DE DESARROLLO DEL MILENIO EXIJO UN MEDIO SOSTENIBLE DE VIDA EXIJO UN ESTUDIO A PROFUNDIDAD SOBRE SISTEMAS ALTERNATIVOS DE GENERACION ELECTRICA Y PODRIA EXIJIR TODO LO MAS NOBLE Y JUSTO PARA EL POBRE QUE VIVE EN LA MISERIA PERO LA PREGUNTA ES ? PERO A QUIENES EXIJO SON SERES HUMANOS QUE CONOCEN LA NOBLEZA Y LA JUSTICIA O SOLO SON PROTAGONISTAS DE GOBIERNOS HUMANITARIOS DE FICCION YO
YO….SOLO SOY UNA VOZ MAS QUE DE SEGURO NO LES INTEREZA ESCUCHAR….

“YOU TUBE ANIMA A ALZAR LA VOZ FRENTE A LA POBREZA” YO DIGO MEJOR ALCEMOS LA VOZ FRENTE A LA IGNORANCIA , LA INJUSTICIA Y LA AMBICION DESMEDIDA

“YOU TUBE ANIMA A ALZAR LA VOZ FRENTE A LA POBREZA ” YO DIGO QUE ALCEMOS LA VOZ Y REPRENDAMOS LA POCA CONCIENCIA Y LA POBREZA HUMANITARIA DE LOS GOBERNANTES

EXIJO A LOS GOBIERNOS QUE OBREN CON JUSTICIA SI ES QUE CONOCEN LA JUSTICIA PERO NO CREO QUE LA CONOSCAN PORQUE SI LA CONOCIERAN NO HABRIAN TANTOS POBRES EN ESTE MUNDO

“QUIEN ES EL MAS MISERABLE EL QUE CARECE DE BIENES MATERIALES O EL QUE CARECE DE VALORES MORALES”

COMO EXIJIRLE A LOS GOBERNANTES Y A SUS MINISTROS QUE AYUDEN AL POBRE EN SU MISERIA SI LOS POBRECITOS GOBERNANTES Y MINISTROS SUFREN DE POBREZA MORAL

EXIJO A LOS GOBIERNOS Y A SUS GOBERNANTES QUE OBREN CON JUSTICIA SI ES QUE CONOCEN LA JUSTICIA PERO NO CREO QUE LA CONOZCAN PORQUE SI LA CONOCIERAN NO HABRIAN TANTOS POBRES EN ESTE MUNDO

“EL DINERO ES EL MEDIO PARA OBTENER ALGUNAS COSAS Y ES TAMBIEN EL OBSTACULO DE MUCHAS MAS”

SE QUE EN ESTE MUNDO ESTAMOS INTERCONECTADOS LOS UNOS CON LOS OTROS DE MANERA QUE EL BIEN QUE HACEMOS AFECTA INDIRECTAMENTE A LOS DEMAS ES POR ESO QUE SI NOS RENDIMOS A LA LARGA TODOS PIERDEN ALGO

LA NOBLEZA NO SE RIGE POR LA PUREZA DE TU SANGRE NI POR EL OTORGAMIENTO QUE OTROS TE DEN LA NOBLEZA SE RIGE POR LA PUREZA DE TUS ACCIONES Y EL OTORGAMIENTO QUE TE DAN TUS MISMAS ACCIONES

SOMOS CIVILIZADOS POR TENER UN AUTO, UN CELULAR ,UN CENTRO COMERCIAL ,UNA COMPUTADORA , SOMOS CIVILIZADOS POR SER CAPACES DE RESOLVER LAS DIFERENCIAS Y PROBLEMAS DE UNA MANERA PACIFICA Y RAZONABLE …. O TAL VEZ SOMOS SERES PRIMITIVOS CARENTES DE HUMANIDAD Y VALORES MORALES QUE SE HACEN PASAR O SOLO ACTUAN COMO SERES CIVILIZADOS…. QUE SOMOS ? SERES HUMANOS O ACTORES HACIENDOSE PASAR POR SERES HUMANOS ……TU DECIDES……

los pobres y su miseria son el reflejo de la mala ADMINISTRACION DE LOS FONDOS PUBLICOS Y DE LOS IMPUESTOS POR PARTE DE LOS GOBIERNOS

RECUERDEN GOBERNANTES Y PRESIDENTES DEL MUNDO RECUERDEN AL MENDIGO LAZARO Y AL RICO OJALA DEN UN POQUITO MAS DE MIGAJAS AL POBRE OJALA NO TERMINEN IGUAL QUE EL RICO

POBRE EN TU POBREZA NO TE ACONGOJES NI TE ENTRISTEZCAS PORQUE NO SERA PARA SIEMPRE TU MISERIA / PRESIDENTES Y MINISTROS NO CELEBREN NI SE ALEGREN PORQUE NO SERA PARA SIEMPRE SU SOBERBIA

MALDITOS SEAN TODOS LOS QUE TUVIERON EN SUS MANOS EL PODER DE AYUDAR A ALIVIAR EL SUFRIMIENTO DEL PROJIMO Y NO LO HICIERON ,MALDITOS SEAN ELLOS SUS FAMILIAS Y SUS BIENES

pobres en su pobreza nada SE PUEDE HACER SON LOS GOBIERNOS Y SUS TORPEZAS LOS QUE HACEN AL POBRE PERECER

AQUI ESTOY Y TENGO UN SISTEMA DE GENERAR ENERGIA ELECTRICA GRATIS CON EL CUAL PODEMOS AYUDAR NO SOLO AL POBRE SI NO QUE A CUALQUIER ECONOMIA EN CRISIS ¿CUANTO CUESTA MI SISTEMA DE GENERACION ELECTRICA ? NADA ES GRATIS REGALO MIS DISEÃ'OS Y CONOCIMIENTOS A CUALQUIERA ES MAS YA ESTAN EN INTERNET BUSCA EN GOOGLE.COM, FRESQUI.COM , YOUTUBE.COM SOLO ESCRIBE UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA EN LOS BUSCADORES DE ESAS PAGINAS WEB . MOLINO MAGNETICO MAGNETIC MILL LA SOLUCION PERMANENTE ANTE LA CRISIS MUNDIAL"

Source page: http://mundo52.com/actualidad/2008/10/02/882/youtube-contra-la-pobreza/

Again. I'll translate this chunk by chuck as I have time. However, I wouldn't object to having some help with it :).

God Bless,
Jason O

Ok Everyone,

After another long discussion with Juan about the magnets and the angles, it appears that we have been thinking about the arrangement of the ring magnets all wrong!

I went back and fourth with him drawing and redrawing images of the magnet layout until I finally got the configuration that he has been trying to get us to see in his pictures. First of all, the magnet do NOT go all the way around the circumference of the ring. They are actually 90 degrees to the horizontal like he said but it's NOT a closed loop like we were thinking before! Check out the image and you will see what I mean!


This image is just a clarification on the basic design concept. From what I got from Juan, this motor is more like a series of tracks or a gate of sorts. The basic track element is what is shown in the image. I am not sure if you can just add multiple track elements but this can be easily discovered from experimentation.

For those of you wondering about the earlier photograph that was posted back on page 1, I asked him about it and he said that it was NOT one of the working units. so disregard it as an image to build off of.

I am not completely sure about this but my hunch is that Juan has build different versions of this motor and the ceramic magnet ones were the "primitive" versions as he put it.

God Bless,
Jason O

I guess his given name starts with a B   ???

Geee...
A guy experiences a 'wet dream' about magnets, and so many people fell into it??
What's wrong with you??? Really!

Were you all born yesterday? Or, this morning, maybe? This concept is one of the oldest ones... I mean, talking about all-magnet perpetual motors... With a bit of a web research, you can trace it back to the 1860's...

A carefully made "all-magnet" stator and a rotor, consisting of 2,4 ,,8* magnets.

The more precise your build is, the less chance for a "perpetual" motion.
The 'Force' vectors are balanced (0) as long as there is no (externally induced) disturbance, or unbalance... So, no motion if everything is made perfect.

It's best to hold the stator "ring" in your hand. If stator is really static, then leave the "rotor" unbound. (no axle). Ooops, the "system" goes to the minimum potential energy all by it's own.... Which means the rotor simply "sticks" in one position....
Or, you can hold the "stator ring", so you can "unintentionally" apply a "small energy contribution" to the spinning rotor...(wearing gloves is a "must" if you try to cover the "shaking hands"...)
With all the almost perpendicular forces in question, it's almost impossible to recognize where the energy comes from...
Of course, having a plane of the rotor/stator a bit displaced it's even more helpful....

Even on this very site there are many improved versions... Having a multiple rotor pairs, or a progressive (spiral) stator magnets placement is a must... So one can have a mass-inertia surplus when the sticky-point comes...

I'm glad that at least one member asked  why there's no a video of a perpetually spinning device...
There's still a hope for humanity, lol...

Cheers!

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 06, 2008, 04:54:05 AM
Here are some comments that Juan posted on anther video website that he wanted me to post here. It is a lot (and it is in Spanish) so I'll start to translate it as I have time:

.....diatribe


Source page: http://mundo52.com/actualidad/2008/10/02/882/youtube-contra-la-pobreza/

Again. I'll translate this chunk by chuck as I have time. However, I wouldn't object to having some help with it :).

God Bless,
Jason O

Translate it?   ???

Don't even bother wasting your time. Here is a summary of all that was said:

I have invented this great magnetic mill. Upscaled it will end all energy crisis and control of the governments. It will end poverty and will help the poor of the world.

All typical fanfare of those so delusional.

Yeah he may have figured out how to make the Hamel Spinner work (which is what this really is btw), but he is obviously being quite typical of those that claim they have something. Many teasers and confusing conflicting hints. He ain't talkin' much substance, and don't expect him to. This same scenario has been repeated dozens of times.

STUDY THE VIDEO. THAT'S THE ONLY REAL TRUTH.

I tried to post this earlier, but the server was having problems.

PLEASE DON'T BOTHER TO TRANSLATE THAT LONG TEXT, IT HAS ZERO VALUE FOR TECHNICAL INFORMATION; COMPLETELY ZERO!!!

It only deals with emotional issues, and how we need this to be replicated, but actually has not an iota of technical data, not even unuseful technical data.

"Yeah he may have figured out how to make the Hamel Spinner work...
- Yes, seems it close to Hamel. I made replication as close as possible (still not exactly) and it makes half turn or even couple, but only if to manipulate the flux (to move the ring). When it still, no movements.
(Can't attach video, only 100KB per post).

Field has to be manipulated, commutated, than it may lead to OU, like I'm trying here:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFOI9eVq4w
Very little power affort on the driver disc and there's some torgue on the big one; now  looking for small, light generator (6-9V) to see if it will drive it and what it develops.

But it's very interesting to get movement with fields only...

Nice work  Light,

Please, keep us inform of you progress.

I am also working on this motor, trying to make it work.

Joe

Thks, I will. Needa really light generator, or change setup to more powerful magnets.

But what about "El-Ieve"? Is it for real?? How he can charge bttries? Only one way I can see - bttry runs kind of "disturber" (commutator), let say able to "wobble" the ring, and turning rotor able  produce more energy than requested for "disturber".
Not selfrunner, but selfsustain, probably...

I thought I would try one more build with no luck.   ???

Cheers!

~Dan

bummer... oh well appears it may be either a hoax or a very intracate build requirement.

Thanks Dan,

-infringer-

Dan, perhaps you hit it right on the nail with that little motor!  Perhaps he just pushed the nail through to a hidden motor.


D.

I said that way way back on page one...but I guess sometimes hope can make people a little less objective than they would be ordinarily.

Regards..

Has anyone tried Juan's recommended setup as shown in reply #83 (90,95 degrees) ? All the ones shown seem to be at 45 degrees.

Thanks, Larry

@LarryC

Quote from: LarryC on October 11, 2008, 09:49:03 AM
Has anyone tried Juan's recommended setup as shown in reply #83 (90,95 degrees) ? All the ones shown seem to be at 45 degrees.

I built a setup like the one shown in post #83 and sent a photo of it to Juan.  He returned it saying that layout is not correct and the layout needs to be like that shown in post #91 by Dan.   Another question he answered is that all magnets (in the stator) have the same polarity in relationship to each other, that is -- none of them are flipped.

-Duane

"...  layout needs to be like that shown in post #91 by Dan
- What's wrong with Dan's setup then? It's very well done, thanks, Dan.
I've tried with different angels of rotor's magnets, no luck so far.
If you so close to Juan why do not ask him to show  his exact
drawing of this model? Simple sketch will do as well...

Quote from: Light on October 12, 2008, 01:14:54 PM
"...  layout needs to be like that shown in post #91 by Dan
- What's wrong with Dan's setup then? It's very well done, thanks, Dan.
I've tried with different angels of rotor's magnets, no luck so far.
If you so close to Juan why do not ask him to show  his exact
drawing of this model? Simple sketch will do as well...

I'm have no idea who Juan is or what he is about.  His contact info is here and all over youtube.  He does seem to respond to any inquiries, although dialog is in spanish -- which I do not know and use translators.  If you have some specific questions I would recommend you contact him directly.  Juan seems to be very faithful, and the following reference is certainly not meant to offend anyone, however I am supposing he follows Matthew 7:6, at least to those he doesn't know and he doesn't know me.
-Duane

Thks, Duane, but I  prefer Matthew 7:12.
I can't speak Spanish, and even some people who does, still can't get what is logical to get - simple sketch of running model by author.
But because it looks  truthful on video I still believe it's possible to replicate it.
Good luck...

Quote from: mdmiller on October 12, 2008, 11:45:48 AM
@LarryC

I built a setup like the one shown in post #83 and sent a photo of it to Juan.  He returned it saying that layout is not correct and the layout needs to be like that shown in post #91 by Dan.   Another question he answered is that all magnets (in the stator) have the same polarity in relationship to each other, that is -- none of them are flipped.

-Duane

Thanks, for the reply Duane, helps clear up some questions.

Regards, Larry

Hi!

It seems that somebody does not want this technology to work.
I wrote to the email that was in one of the posted photos and one good guy named Jose Manuel Rodriguez
answered my request very fast, sending me back the schematic to replicate the machine.
I want to share it with you. I think that the guy is truthful.

Jesus

Wow, You just managed to get what many of us have been asking to Manuel for a long time!!!!

His name is Manuel José Rodriguez, and, is spite of all his drivel and the difficulty of communicating with him (even in Spanish that is my native tongue), I think he is honest.

Let's hope with the design the replication succeds.

Regards!

I think is important to note that the measures are in centimeters and milimeters.

Hi!

@chileanone
I think that I wrote his name wrong!
He said that the rotor magnets must be almos touching the ring magnets. I mean as close as posible without touching in order to work.

Jesus

Thks, nievesoliver, but seems this's different desing from original one  shown on u-tube (not halfway overlap, bigger magnets, no shims between stator's magnets, big gap, etc).
2" magnets r very expencive, I wondering if the same proportions will work with 1" or 3/4" magnets.
Could you clarify it with Jose Manuel before I (and others) try to follow this setup. Thks.

Quote from: Light on October 13, 2008, 06:12:24 PM
Thks, nievesoliver, but seems this's different desing from original one  shown on u-tube (not halfway overlap, bigger magnets, no shims between stator's magnets, big gap, etc).
2" magnets r very expencive, I wondering if the same proportions will work with 1" or 3/4" magnets.
Could you clarify it with Jose Manuel before I (and others) try to follow this setup. Thks.

HEY THE MEASURES ARE IN CENTIMETERS, NOT INCHES!!!!!!!

Hi!

As Manuel Jose stated very clearly. The ring diameter is 5 magnets in line long. It is in the schematic.
You use as a measure the magnets you have. And follow Manuel Jose's diagram.
As chileanone said the measurements on the schematic are in milimeters and centimeters. But you can use any measure, if you follow the alignment of the magnets in order to get the diameter of the ring. Remember it is not my invention. All the glory goes to Manuel Jose Rodriguez.

Jesus

R U sure? Normaly drawings made in the same dimension scale (on this scale there's not proportion between dia and thickness). 2" magnet has 5mm thickness. But 2cm (20mm, about 3/4") magnet only 2.5mm.
On sketch the thikness is 5mm, that's Y I presumed diameter is 2", not 2cm (20mm).

But it's OK, will try to find magnet diam 2cm x 5mm thick (on video it's about 1/2"x1/16" or somewere 12x1.7mm)...

This motor keeps changing by the minute.   I hope someone can get it running and post it here.
Good luck.

~Dan

I doubt, till we get proper sizes. Magnet motor first of all is precision and positioning (exp - H.Johnson).

That's how it might look with 20x5mm magnets and 2mm gap (1:1 scale).
Wondering what Jose (author?) would say about it.

Hi!

There is one detail that is overlooked. If you substract 40 degrees from 90 degrees the result is 50 degrees. So the rotor magnet goes at 45 degrees from the horizontal line and the ring magnet goes at 50 degrees from the horizontal line.
I hope that somebody can make a good replication.

Jesus

Possibly someone can spot what I've done wrong in this template for a layout.

Using the dimensions given there seems to be a collision with the magnets.

thanks  - Duane

Hi!

In my humble opinion. You should mount one magnet at 50 degres from the horizontal line, then move the magnet up and on the same line of reference get the other 50 degrees for the second magnet and so on tll you fill the entire ring. If you make a wood or plastic template with the separations and the degrees already carved on the material used, you only need then is to add the magnets to the perfectly measured template. All the effort should be to get all the inside diameter of the ring evenly spaced for the magnets. And the spacer between the magnets is the same protrusion or kind of steps needed to fill the inside diameter. something like this /\/\/\/\ but having into account the 50 degrees needed. The rotor could be shortened if the magnets are too wide. The thing is to let only a small gap for the magnet to circulate freely.

Another idea is to put the rotor only without magnet cut at 45 degrees at the ends, centered on its axis and while moving it inside the ring, put a magnet in front of it at 50 degrees, move it and do the same thing with each magnet with that rotor in front of it.  When you get all the magnets installed, just cut the rotor to size and add to it the magnets needed.
Good Luck!

Jesus

Hi!

The secret seems to be to get the ring magnet always to have exactly just 5 degrees more than the magnet that is in front of it at any given moment around the ring.

Jesus

Where did you get 50 degrees or 5 degrees?? It's just a rough sketch on post #101, not a drawing.
Put on first 3 magnets, say, 20x5mm, on 100mm circle and U will have all needed angles; install 30x2mm magnets on 150mm circle and U got different angles, and so on.

The point here - what sizes on WORKING (video) model, that's all...Untill than it's all free guesses, where rite sizes might be found by practice only...

Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 05:42:00 PM
Hi!

It seems that somebody does not want this technology to work.
I wrote to the email that was in one of the posted photos and one good guy named Jose Manuel Rodriguez
answered my request very fast, sending me back the schematic to replicate the machine.
I want to share it with you. I think that the guy is truthful.

Jesus

Hi,

I drew that CAD drawing while talking to Juan about the "simplest" version of his motor that we could all make. I never intended for him to release it on the forum yet as I am still trying to verify that I have the angles of the ring magnets correct. But for those of you wondering about the dimensions, yes they are in inches, not centimeters! (again, I didn't mark them because it was just a quick sketch to Juan to clarify some confusion I was having). Also, the magnets for that particular model are ceramic, not Neo magnets.

I would recommend that everyone hang on just a bit as I really want to finish hashing out the angle details with him. My general gut feeling is that he wants the magnets overlapped half-wa as shown in my drawings but I'm still not certain about the angle, as you can still pick many angles that will give you the same half-overlap on the faces. He also mentioned that the magnets should have a very small gap between adjacent magnets on the ring of 1 mm which seems to imply that they are practically touching each other just as shown. But I want to prove this to be certain.

As you can see from some of my previous CAD drawings, the language barrier can be a real challenge in communicating the technical details but as others have mentioned, Juan is very willing to help anyone who wants to make an honest effort to replicate this. Dan and I are still working closely with him so we will post results as we get them.

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: mdmiller on October 13, 2008, 10:25:16 PM
Possibly someone can spot what I've done wrong in this template for a layout.

Using the dimensions given there seems to be a collision with the magnets.

thanks  - Duane

Hi Duane,

Remember to pay attention to the aspect ratio of your magnets' diameter to their thickness. Juan made it very clear that the magnets in the video were close to the same dimensions as pennies, roughly 0.75" in diameter and 1/16" thick about. So to get the angles right, you have to use relatively thin magnets, otherwise you'll have to increase the angle to compensate for the extra thickness.

You want something that looks kinda sorta like this (rough example)


(Yeah I know the pennies in the upper right corner are not aligned right. but this is just a visual aid).

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi!

@light - Where did you get 50 degrees or 5 degrees??
On post #111 there is an explanation based on the drawing on post #101
Again. If you substract 40 degrees from 90 degrees the result is 50 degrees. So the rotor magnet goes at 45 degrees from the horizontal line and the ring magnet goes at 50 degrees from the horizontal line.
The five degrees come from the fact that 50 degrees minus 45 degrees is 5 degrees. Hence the difference betueen the rotor face and the ring magnet is 5 degrees.

I hope you understood!

@jason
That is the right way to go!  And if you can measure exactly the amount of material needed under the magnet in order to get its 90 degrees and make a template in a plain 1/4 plywood and cut it. Then you have the right position of the ring magnets without having to adhere the magnets to try.

Jesus
Again I am not the inventor. I just understood the drawing sent to me.

@Jason

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 14, 2008, 03:05:24 AM
Hi Duane,

Remember to pay attention to the aspect ratio of your magnets' diameter to their thickness. Juan made it very clear that the magnets in the video were close to the same dimensions as pennies, roughly 0.75" in diameter and 1/16" thick about. So to get the angles right, you have to use relatively thin magnets, otherwise you'll have to increase the angle to compensate for the extra thickness.

You want something that looks kinda sorta like this (rough example) ....

Thank you for your work coordinating this mission.  When I saw what looked like a construction drawing, I started creating a template to rush out to my workshop, then ran into the dimensional conflicts.  Although communicating with Juan is complex, he seems sincere to me and I b-el-ieve this is worth the pursuit.
To your health and success - Duane

Hi!

Look at this idea.

Jesus

Hello,
Seeing the video the magnet doesn't seem to be 2 cm diameter but smaller ...
what do you ?

Hi!

If the magnet you have is not the right measure. Just put it in line with four other to get the diameter of the ring.
Study drawing on post #101.

Jesus

“I hope you understood
- Well, seems you still did not get it…
Line B (and angle 90) depend on sizes of magnets. But because scale of magnet is wrong, the angles wrong too. Got it? Make a drawing (not a sketch) and figure out for yourself…

“Look at this idea.
- That’s rite; when you have breakage in the flux it runs like crazy, but only in the circle between ends (dead "points").
Tried to figure out which rotor’s magnet angle more effective â€" ceramic stator magnets and 45 and 80 degrees on rare rotor’s. More powerful turn is with 80dgr (see attach).
But it’s not critical, it won’t turn when circle of magnets is closed; until  to do something with magnetic fields, fluxes.

That’s rite, renaud67; and on post #101 it’s not 20mm neither (if it 20mm, the thickness - 5mm, has to be only four times in diameter, not 8-10). Discussing anything but original (WORKING) design…

Hi Duane,

I'm glad to help. I just wish I had more time to invest directly in this project but for now, I am forced to serve as a liaison for Juan to publish information.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Everyone,

Juan sent me some information that he wanted me to publish on the thread so here it is. At first glance, it appears to contain a lot of useful technical details about the construction of the motor. But it is all in Spanish and I don't have enough time to translate it anytime soon so I'm posting it here now in its raw form and hope that some of the spanish-speaking participants can give us a translation of it:

"
magnetic mill (unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino magnetico) creado y diseñado por juan carlos aviles moran   
email  manueljose_888@hotmail.com


Exposicion del proyecto unidad de repelencia magnetica

composicion molecular de imanes artificiales o aleacion(campos magneticos aumentados o magnificados) = fuerza de torsion y velocidad


Exposicion del proyecto unidad de repelencia magnetica
nuestro proposito es la construccion e implementacion del nuevo sistema de energia alternativa Unidad de Repelencia Magnetica (URM) este aparato ) este aparato debido a la simpleza de su estructura, es fácil de construir dando una rápida respuesta a la necesidad energética, de manera ilimitada, limpia y sin consumo de otra energía que no venga de su misma operación.

La URM, se situara en primera posición sobre los demás medios alternativos de generar energía, como lo son los combustibles fósiles, los biocombustibles y las mezclas, la URM no contamina el ambiente, al no despedir gases tóxicos, este aparato utilizara simplemente dos tipos de distintas fuerzas combinadas, que son: la CRM(CASCADA DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA) y la FC (FUERZA CENTRIFUGA).

También este proyecto esta sobre los demás métodos alternativos de energía limpia como lo son la solar, térmica, geotérmica, hidroeléctrica, eólica, mecánica marítima, etc. Estos métodos están sujetos a las variables condiciones climáticas, desgaste de materiales por estar sometidos a temperaturas extremas. La URM, tiene la capacidad de evitar el desgaste de sus propias piezas, por crear un campo de repelencia magnética entre sus piezas importantes, prolongando su vida útil por esa condición.

DETALLES DEL DISEÃ'O TEORICO:
La URM consta de un aro u orbital firmemente sujeto a una base, el diámetro del aro esta relacionado proporcionalmente al tamaño de los escudos (ERM) que se encuentran predispuestos unidireccionalmente en su interior. Esta sucesión de escudos deben estar todos emplazados en dirección de un mismo polo, todos negativos o positivos.

La hélice magnética (HM) que gira sujeta a su propio eje en el interior del aro, consta en sus extremos de escudos o magnetos de cara a cara casi rozándose con los escudos predispuestos en el aro, para que gire esta hélice, los escudos del interior del aro como los del extremo de la hélice deben de repelerse mutuamente, es decir, mismos signos se repelen; iniciándose inmediatamente una fuerza de repelencia entre los escudos que hacen que la hélice gire en una misma dirección, después de esta primera fuerza se inicia una segunda fase de FC que según sea las dimensiones y peso de los escudos en los extremos de la hélice, dará un incremento en las revoluciones o giros. Lo anterior, proporcionara una fuerza de torque en el eje de la hélice que es la fuerza resultante que usaremos para mover cualquier dinamo o motor generador de energía eléctrica, quedándonos con la opción de obtener un porcentaje de energía eléctrica extra al conectarla de retorno al aro y así inducirles a los escudos mayor fuerza de repelencia. La URM tiene la capacidad única de autoalimentarse de su misma energía de descarga y convertirla en mayor energía de repelencia para los escudos.

La URM no es capaz de generar energía eléctrica por sí misma, pero si de ejecutar por medio de la repelencia magnética un movimiento mecánico que es el de rotar su hélice obteniendo una fuerza de torque según sus dimensiones, pureza de escudos y porcentaje de carga de su descarga.

COMPOSICION QUIMICA DE LOS MATERIALES
Es importante mencionar que la materia prima básica de la cual estarán compuestos nuestro escudos reflectores repelentes son el hierro de máxima densidad molecular, siendo algunos de ellos los mas idóneos el acero manganeso o acero tuxteno, también el mineral de hierro llamado piedra imam (Fe3O4) así como los derivados de la magnetita.

Los escudos reflectores, deben estar fabricados de una alta pureza metálica, para que tengan mayor repelencia al momento de provocar la cascada magnética de repelencia.

Todo este ejercicio de ingeniería nace de aplicar las leyes físicas, moleculares y químicas a las que están sujetas los materiales de la URM. La URM surge de una comparación con el molino de agua, haremos de cuenta que este aparato es un molino en que la corriente de energía no se pierde en ningún momento sino que rodea por completo el molino, cerrando un círculo infinito al que llamaremos cascada de repelencia magnética, la cual viene a constituir el combustible de la URM.

Significados: URM Unidad Repelencia Magnética; HM Hélice Magnética; Aro o Círculo; ERM Escudo de Repelencia Magnética; CRM Cascada de Repelencia Magnética"

Thats all.

God Bless,
Jason O

More from Juan. I think these excerpts he e-mailed me came from comment pages he responded to on his videos:

"La unidad de repelencia magnetica U.R.M creada y diseñada por juan carlos Aviles Moran es el medio alternativo de generar electricidad de manera muy economica la U.R.M es un molino de repelencia magnetica que potencia o hace girar el eje de un dinamo. Fue en 1980 que juan carlos aviles moran desarrolla los usos de campos magneticos magnificados entre imanes de misma polaridad magnetica.

la unidad de repelencia magnetica u.r.m o molino de repelencia magnetica m.r.m es un sistema alternativo de producir energia electrica y es muy facil de construir dando una solucion a la crisis energetica mundial; la u.r.m funciona con los mismos principios que un molino de agua (hidro-electrica) o de viento (eolica-electrica) pero en la u.r.m el molino se movera por fuerza de repelencia magnetica (magnetorepelencia-electrica)

Juan Carlos Aviles Moran descubre el fenomeno fisico llamado cascada de repelencia magnetica este consiste en una fuerza de repelencia magnetica unidireccionalmente encausada dentro del aro de la unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino de repelencia magnetica; la cascada de repelencia magnetica no es mas que un sendero de repelencia continua por donde transitan los imanes del eje rotor de la U.R.M al ser repelidos por los imanes del aro; cascada de repelencia magnetica seria por ejemplo la energia de choque del agua en un molino comun"

Also, here's a link to a Photobucket-like site where He is posting diagrams and photos from replicators: http://energije.com/

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 08:46:29 PM
Hi!

If the magnet you have is not the right measure. Just put it in line with four other to get the diameter of the ring.
Study drawing on post #101.

Jesus

hello,
it means we just have to get a good ratio between the diameter and thickness of the magnet and the size of the ring?

First, since this is my first post here I want to say hello to all people here! ... well ... hello :)
I wanted to explain about following ...

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 15, 2008, 02:41:27 AM
Also, here's a link to a Photobucket-like site where He is posting diagrams and photos from replicators: http://energije.com/

it's my website/blog about alternative energy sources for Serbian language speaking people. Photos you can see there are from e-mails I received from mr. Manuel. I thought those are from his working prototipes but now I see there are few photos from people arround here. If they don't want these photos to be published I will remove them. I thought those are all his photos.
Like others I'm having dificulties communicating with mr. Manuel ... and so far I have nothing much better than you already sad here ... but if anything new technical is reveiled I will share gladly!
Sorry if my english is confusing!
Regards
Goran

Hi!

@renaud67
For the magnets to be inside the ring with a perfect fitting it is supposed to have a good ratio between the diameter and thickness of the magnet and the size of the ring. You got it.
Now I may be wrong though. There is a lot of confusing information circulating.  Use your better judgement!

Jesus

Hi All

Here is the translation, although there is Spanish running in my veins from way back as well as aboriginal amognst others (you could call  me a Heinz 57 and I wouldn't be insulted!) this translation is from Google  ;D

Interesting though that this is from Juan Carlos Aviles Moran who discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency back in 1980!

Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency

molecular composition of artificial magnets or alloys (magnetic fields increased or magnified) = torsion strength and speed


Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency
Our purpose is the construction and implementation of the new system of alternative energy Repellency Magnetica Unit (MRU) this device) this device due to the simplicity of its structure, it is easy to construct giving a rapid response to the need energy, so limitless, clean and without consumption of other energy that does not come from the same operation.

The MRU was placed in first position on the other alternative means of generating energy, such as fossil fuels, biofuels and blends, the MRU does not pollute the environment, not to lay off toxic fumes, this device uses just two types of various combined forces, which are: the CRM (WATERFALL repellents MAGNETIC) and FC (CENTRIFUGAL FORCE).

Also this project is on the other alternative methods of clean energy such as solar, thermal, geothermal, hydroelectric, wind, marine engineering, and so on. These methods are subject to the variable weather conditions, wear of materials being subjected to extreme temperatures. The MRU has the ability to avoid the erosion of their own pieces, by creating a magnetic field repellency between its major pieces, extending its life by this condition.

DETAILS OF THEORETICAL DESIGN:
The MRU consists of an orbital rim or firmly attached to a base, the diameter of the ring is related proportionally to the size of the shields (ERM) who are predisposed unidirectional in its interior. This succession of shields must all be located in the direction of a single pole, negative or positive.

The magnetic propeller (HM), which revolves subject to its own axis inside the ring, consists of shields at the ends of magnets or face to face with almost rozándose shields predisposed to the hoop, to turn the propeller, the coats of inside the ring as of the end of the propeller must repel each other, ie signs repel them, starting immediately a force of repellency between the coats that make the propeller rotate in one direction, after this initial force begins A second phase of FC that as the size and weight of the shields at the ends of the propeller, will give an increase in revolutions or money orders. This, to provide a force of torque on the propeller shaft that is the resultant force we use to move any motor or dynamo electric generator, staying with the option to obtain a percentage of extra power when connected to return to ring and thereby induce them to the greatest force shields repellency. The MRU has the unique ability of its self-same energy and discharge it into higher energy repellency to the shields.

The MRU is not capable of generating electricity itself, but if you run through the magnetic repellency a mechanical movement which is to rotate its propeller getting a force of torque according to its size, purity and shields percentage of cargo downloading.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF THE MATERIALS
It is important to mention that the basic raw material of which shall be composed our shields reflectors repellents are the iron of high molecular density, some of them being the most suitable manganese steel or steel tuxteno, also known as iron ore stone imam (Fe3O4) as well as those arising from the magnetite.

Shields reflectors, must be manufactured from a high purity metal, to have more repellency when provoke the cascade of magnetic repellency.

This whole exercise is born engineer to apply the laws of physics, molecular and chemical properties that are subject to the materials of the MRU. The MRU emerges from a comparison with the water mill, we will make note that this device is a mill in which the flow of energy is not lost at any time but completely surrounds the mill, closing a circle that we call the infinite cascade Magnetic repellency, which is to be the fuel of the MRU.

Meanings: MRU Unit Repellency Magnetic; HM Magnetic Helix; Aro or Circle; Repellency Magnetic Shield ERM, CRM Waterfall Repellency Magnetic "

"The unit of magnetic repellency MRU created and designed by Juan Carlos Aviles Moran is the alternative means of generating electricity in a very economical the MRU is a mill or repellency magnetic power that turns the shaft of a dynamo. He was in 1980 that juan Carlos Avila moran develops uses magnetic fields between magnets magnified magnetic polarity.

the unit of magnetic repellency MRU mill or repellency magnetic MRM is an alternative to producing electricity and is very easy to build by giving a solution to the energy crisis worldwide, the MRU works with the same principles as a water mill (hydro - Electric) or wind (wind-power) but in the MRU the mill will move by magnetic force repellency (magnetorepelencia-electric)

Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency this is a unidirectional magnetic force repellency carried inside the rim of the unit of magnetic or repellency mill magnetic repellency, the cascade of magnetic repellency is nothing more than a trail of repellency by continuing where the magnets pass the rotor shaft of the MRU to be repelled by the ring magnets; cascade of such serious repellency magnetic energy shock of water in a windmill THE COMMON "

Regards;
Paul

Hi all !

Quit this setup cause, although it might work for inventor, replication is difficult allmost impossible.
You need exact same dimmensions, most of all exact same strenght of magnets (if not - distances from mags are different)
and material coating... there is no explanation of principle of work.
If it works It is over 100% luck. - when it happens go and play lottery.

Many other things has much more chance of succeeding.

Wiz

Can someone please tell this moron to stop posting the same video over and over again on youtube or get his ip banned on it. This retard is starting to piss me off big time.

Thanks for the translation Goat!
Can someone ask Juan what the outer ring is made of? Is it metal, plastic or wood?
Also in the translation Juan talks about some sort of shields????  Quote "...consists of shields at the ends of magnets..." On what, the rotor...stator...or BOTH?
Are the shields at the end of the magnets the secret to making it rotate? Sort of a oneway street for the rotor magnets to follow without getting hung up.

You probably rite, Wiz, but what kind of “other things” do you mean?

Thks, Goat.
“…the diameter of the ring is related proportionally to the size of the shields…The magnetic propeller consists of shields at the ends of magnets
- So, we have a “shields” now. Can’t see it on video, but it’s completely different story; PERENDEV has shields too, and angles, and special alloy for shield. I’ve tried something like that (see attach) but not successfully â€" again needa know details â€" what kind of material for shield (I’ve used mild steel, wrong), its dimensions, setup, etc.
Hope with HIS help we’ll get it somehow…
Maybe we need something like that (attach, red color).

Ok.  Look at the video posted on youtube.  Between 25 and 26 seconds into the youtube video you can really see the shields on the rotor!
The shields are a little larger than the magnets. It appears Juan is telling the truth!  This gets better and better all the time!

GO SEE FOR YOURSELF - FRAME BY FRAME!

@Light

The shield looks to be a simple round metal piece on the face of the rotor magnets.
This reminds me of this effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icpGonZljvA
See the washer on the floating magnet?

~Dan

Quote from: Light on October 15, 2008, 10:50:06 PM
You probably rite, Wiz, but what kind of “other things” do you mean?

I meant other topics.
1. Simple Hildebrand OU motor - magnetic energy amplification - magnetic transistor - flynn  (simmilar topics but with different magnet positions that makes them very different and unique

2. SM Hydrogen

etc.

of course this topic is allso very intersting but unlikely to succeed (maybe that is what makes it more challenging). Flying Dutchman tried many
such setups angles - mag strenghts...

what to say ?
Very Good Luck to Ya All !!!

Wiz

I agree, Wiz, this’s very interesting stuff, but look at the seeming simplicity of this design; for me â€" the less parts, the better…

Thank you for pointing Dan, but still can’t see it, probably looking at wrong video.
If you see it, can you make a simple  sketch how it may look in your opinion. We need versions, maybe author will correct it… Thks. With THE shield it may (must) work.

@ Light

Take a look at the video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gSu_Fyk3SQs and like Dan pointed out at around 24 seconds into it you'll notice oversized steal plates over the magnets on the rotor  ;) there kinda hard to see but they are indeed there  :)

Good eyes there Dan  :o

Regards,
Paul

@ wizkycho

This reply isn't intended to offend you but you're free to roam the net and this site in order to find the best solution for yourself but please don't tell us to all leave this because of lack of communication  :-\  So far I haven't written it off as a complete loss or hoax and I hope we can all work together to get more out of this before discounting it. 

It appears that someone named Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered this phenomenon way back in '80 and that it's been overlooked all these years, I'm glad that some good people here worked hard to get us to this point  ;D

Regards,
Paul

OK, can you guys make a sketch what you see?? Pictures are not drawings, it may be glue,  or traces from previous setups, spacers, whatever... We needa versions, guesses, MATERAL - something we can work with. Thks...

So far what we know - there're shields (at least on rotor) on the end of magnets; shield made from "iron of high molecular density - manganese steel or steel tuxteno, also known as iron ore stone imam (Fe3O4)", and sizes - thickness about thickness of magnets; exact location of shields still unknown.

OK, now we need Fe3O4 - manganese steel, to try it as a shield material in simple setup.
I believe even iron will do some shielding effect but only if “putted on” in right location between magnets or on them…

I've tried those "shields" from "shiny metal” from Home Depot, yes it shields, but not working in rotor-stator setup because flux just bended, not really shielded (attach).

Here it seems that fields exactly shielded, or “bended” (redirected) in rite way. As soon as we will know HOW to shield, we’ll make it run…

Quote from: Goat on October 16, 2008, 09:19:07 PM
@ wizkycho

This reply isn't intended to offend you but you're free to roam the net and this site in order to find the best solution for yourself but please don't tell us to all leave this because of lack of communication  :-\  So far I haven't written it off as a complete loss or hoax and I hope we can all work together to get more out of this before discounting it. 

It appears that someone named Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered this phenomenon way back in '80 and that it's been overlooked all these years, I'm glad that some good people here worked hard to get us to this point  ;D

Regards,
Paul

Yes, you are right.
What in other words I just wanted to say is that there are people who make an unbeliveable effort and spend their time
just to lead us to wrong tracks (especially if they find out you were on the right one),lead us to neverending labirints just to stall and mess up free energy development and discourage it, and are drawing juice from the well of hope for nothing...(likely this well never can dry out - it just may seem so)

for now I think we got many informations from the source but seems like key information is missing. Does he wants to keep us in Riddle mode ? -for how long - or just overenjoys knowledge advantage - so for this i'm scepticall. I do not believe that language translation is problem.

To make it short - Permanent magnet motors only (PMMO) are very possible at least (but not last) with LaFonte's Equilibrium experimentaly prooven principle and/or (many authors) Magnetic Transistor allso experimentaly prooven (since it is PMMO input field is from Perm mag entering-leaving Mag trans. enbodyment - input field is not from coil in this case)...

of course everyone should make its own instinctive decision. sometimes only instinct,  "feeling" or right wibe can be just right.

Wish ya all self running PMMO

mod: wait a second shields (or rerouting - concentrating permeable metals) can make much more difference - can make PMMO setup much more tolerable. my idea with Ring PM 8also using shield did actually work, but haven't finished it cause "simply" to many mechanicall probing alterations should be made to make all setup mechanically strong against bending under strong magnets and shaping the shield just right (I had no time for that and especialy didn't wan't to overbother Tha Man who is doing these supervaluable(not so money - but rather time) mechanics setups for me and "climb on a top his head" - "make this, make that, let me try this..." sort of thing) I do not have machine station for metal.
So I'm changing my mind - this just might work. it would be ideal showoff (at first) and real generator for everything. there is so much power in PM we yet have to find. 

Wiz

Juan says Hi to all here at OU.com

HOLA!

Lol he told me the reason of the gauntlets was to protect his identity now he's showing  himself off like this. Might I also add that he's not holding the device or anything. What's confusing right now is that there are two different named people claiming this invention now and neither have posted new footage of it.

@broli

Who is the other person claiming this invention?  Can we talk with this person?

~Dan

Quote from: Dansway on October 17, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
@broli

Who is the other person claiming this invention?  Can we talk with this person?

~Dan

Nevermind that I got the email and his real name mixed up.

LOL... Broli don't feel bad I was just as mixed up until I just made the connection thanks to the picture posted by Dansway  :P  I thought Manuel Hose was posting the device made from Juan Carlos Aviles Moran's findings and not realizing they're the same person  :P :P

Ok, now that that's cleared up, can someone who is in contact with Juan ask him if we could work with him to get a build list of materials and all the spacing, angles, shielding and whatever else is needed to build a replicable working model for all of us to prove his concept?  I know a lot of information was posted already but it'd be nice to tidy it all up.  If it proves to work then could we post this at the beginning of the thread to clear up all the posts till now.

Also, maybe we could interest him in providing kits or ready made working units to fund his research, I myself would buy one if it were made available at a reasonable price as I've already spent thousands on other projects  ::)

I would love to communicate with him but my Spanish is non existent and I'd be afraid to say something the wrong way and insult him, Google does a pretty good job translating from Spanish to English but I wouldn't be able to know if my English message was translated correctly before sending it to him  ;D

Regards,
Paul

Hello again!

Just wanted to tell that Juan told me he used magnets from chess pieces from portable chess board in video we all saw, so no fancy magnets are used! Simple axial magnetized round magnets as shown on that drawing where you can see that diameter of stator have to be 5 x diameters of magnets! It’s simple as it’s beautiful so no need to make it complicated! As for the shields, he didn’t mentioned any to me but when I asked about shields he wrote me this:

escudos = circulo = iman comun
meaning
shields = Circle = the Common magnet

so for now I’m presuming he refers to the magnets themselves as shields!

My magnets will hopefully arrive at Monday when Juan will help me assemble (via MSN) the motor if I get stuck … and he is willing to help anyone … so if you have magnets contact him and ask him for help. Don’t be afraid of “telling something wrong” … hey .. I speak Serbian … typing in English (there’s Serbian as option, but it’s very difficult language and still there are many mistakes) and then google translate that to Spanish made me his brother as he calls me! I’m not saying it’s easy to communicate with him this way … but open two google translate pages … in one set Spanish -> English and other English->Spanish … he is not some freak that will turn his back on you for some misspelling! He is very honest as people here already noticed and I’m convinced good things can come out of this!

Regards

Goran

I've chatted with Juan several times.  He's a good guy. 

JUAN IF YOU'RE LISTENING you're a good guy.  OK.  ;)

He wants to help and truly feels that he has a solution -- so let's not slam him, he is honest and sincere.  Now, if his magnetic mill can be replicated, that is not yet proven.  It appears getting the propeller or rotor magnet angles correct and the space between the rotor magnets and the ring magnets correct can be very very tricky.

I think the term shield got injected from a bad translation.  It apparently refers to the repellent nature of magnetic poles, however, taking from Star Trek, .."Mr Cherkov, deflector shields on full", the similarity to a shield becomes clear.

To paraphrase Juan "no metal in the propeller, no metal in the ring, only magnets"

To everyone building this may you encounter success (and good health).
-Duane



.

"As for the shields, he didn’t mentioned any to me...
- Mystery... What you guys see on the video than (“but they are indeed there”)??
Everybody talking to Juan, and no one ask simple question - to make simple drawing setup of WORKING model...
Probably I'll try too, I can see e-mail...

Hi!

I will try to comunicate with juan in spanish.

Hola Juan!

Me gustaria que tu nos aydaras a poder hacer una replica de tu invencion. El problema es que la informacion que tenemos es inexacta. Serias tu tan amable de darnos una informacion mas clara?

Gracias por adelantado!

Jesus

Thanks, nievesoliver.
Good question.
I’ve asked Juan almost the same, but got big automated answer about how good it is.
He said in it he would help to build it, but not one single question was answered.
Maybe you ask him what’s wrong we’re doing and what has to be changed, corrected, if he won’t show exact diagram his working model (how he can help saying nothing, but common words).

Hi!

@light
I will ask him here.

Hola Juan!

Podrias decirnos que es lo que estamos haciendo mal que no nos sale tu invento?
Que es lo que tenemos que cambiar para que el invento funcione?
Tu dices que nos vas ha ayudar pero no dices nada ni contestas nuestras preguntas.
Tu verdaderamente podrias ser el salvador de este planeta que esta siendo desabastecido de sus recursos naturales.
Por favor ayudanos con tus conocimientos.

Jesus

Hello All,

I would like to clear up some stuff once and for all. All the information we need to build the motor has been thoroughly explained by Juan over and over again. I recently posted a PDF file showing all of the essential dimensional relationships that need to be observed when constructing the unit. I have been in communication with Juan for quite some time now; the diagram that I posted was approved directly by him as accurate. Though the magnets I used in the diagram are not the same 20 mm dia x 5mm thick magnets that he used in the video, you can easily scale the model in the drawing to fit those magnet sizes. Here's the basic concepts:

1. The diameter of the ring needs to be the length of 5 magnet diameters. so if you have magnets that are 1 inch in diameter, the ring's inner diameter needs to be 5 inches.

2. He describes the magnets as being like pennies, so that means they should be thin! Not so thin that they break very easily but you can go with a proportional diameter to thickness ration of  4:1 or higher. The magnets I show in the diagram are his recommended magnets to start with to build an easy-to-tune model. His suggested magnet size is 2 inches in diameter and 0.196" (5 mm) thick. This gives a diameter to thickness ration of 10:1. So that will give you an idea of what size magnets to work with.

3. The ring should ideally have 30 magnets in it in accordance with the previously mentioned dimension relationships. If you can't fit 30 magnets in, then your magnets are probably too thick.

4. Each magnet needs to overlap half of the previous magnets face. I recently made a cheap mockup to show this principle using pennies:


Again, this is just to illustrate how the magnets should overlap each other, it's not anatomically correct or anything.

5. The magnets on the rotor arms are the critical part of the motor. They should be the same dimensions as the ring magnets and should have a starting angle of 45 degrees. Juan stated many times that tuning the motor to get it to run involves tweaking the angle of the rotor magnets to find the "cascade of magnetic repulsion" as he terms it.

6. Another important parameter for tuning is distance between the ring magnets and the rotor magnets. Juan suggested a starting distance of about 1.5 cm (for the model I showed in the PDF). But you want a pretty large distance to play with. Design the rotor arms so that you can easily adjust the length as well as the angle. These two parameters will allow you to tune your unit.

7. Starting out, Juan suggests that we make the motors out of Ceramic magnets. As several people mentioned earlier, the magnets in the video were just ordinary ceramic magnets taken from chess pieces. they are 20 mm dia x 5 mm thick. The magnets shown in my PDF should also be ceramic. Neo magnets can also be used later on but the ceramic magnets are easier to work with starting off.

8. There is NO shielding used in the motor in the video. I have discussed this question with Juan several times and he made it clear that the ring and the rotor only have magnets. The mentioning of shielding was just a translation error.

9. The ring used in the video was just a simple cardboard tape roll that was 0.75 inches tall. You don't need any fancy magnetic materials to construct the ring. The same goes for the rotor. Make it out of whatever you want as long as it is not ferromagnetic. We don't want the structural materials to interfere with the magnetic interactions.

Here is a link to the PDF that I attached to a previous post here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5660.0;attach=27008

Again, you don't need to use the exact dimensions of the magnets shown but if you follow the above guidelines, that will give you a good starting point to begin building and testing.

If anyone has any questions, just ask and I'll do my best to answer.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi!

@jdo300
Thank you for the information. But I thought that because the message was in spanish, mr Juan was going to reply himself.

Jesus

Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong â€" it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup â€" it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still â€" no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.

Quote from: Light on October 18, 2008, 11:49:53 PM
Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong â€" it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup â€" it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still â€" no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.

I do agree that there are still some questions about the setup. I am also waiting to see how Dan's builds go which is why I have not bothered to start building one myself. As for the drawing, all I can say is that the relationships that Juan told be about are illustrated there, though I must admit that the magnets shown aren't overlapping exactly 1/2 of the faces. But then again, we don't know how critical these parameters really are. The same goes for the angles as well. The ones shown on the diagram are definitely in relation to the magnets and their dimensions. I never really got a straight answer out of Juan about the angles of the ring magnets so those are just what happened to show up when I put the 30 magnets around the ring and allowed for a small gap between the adjacent magnets by adjusting the tilt angle.

All we can do now is wait and see what happens with those who are still working with Juan to get their builds running. The nice thing is that he is very attentive and gives thorough feedback on the replications. So I remain optimistic at this point.

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 18, 2008, 09:51:14 PM
Hi!

@jdo300
Thank you for the information. But I thought that because the message was in spanish, mr Juan was going to reply himself.

Jesus

He may but generally, he gives me and other people "publications" to post to the forum here, probably because he doesn't speak English and has us translate stuff for him. He does have a registered username though and did post a couple of things back at the beginning of this thread so who knows? But if you want to get in touch with him, the best way is through MSN. He's online just about every day if you want to chat with him directly.

God Bless,
Jason O

I'll add a couple of thoughts.  Juan noted that about 1/2 of the magnets face in the ring should be exposed.  The only way to achieve this, using a ratio of 5:1  diameter-of-ring:size-of-magnet is to use 30 magnets.  Check the math and you'll see for yourself. 

Now, it might also be feasible to use another ratio such as 7:1 and use 44 magnets.  Pi X 7 / 44 = .5

I think Dan used 24 magnets and a 5:1 ratio.  This may or may not be an issue.  I have to say again Dan that it is a most beautiful build.

The other thing to clarify with Juan is if an odd number of magnets, which would eliminate any possibility of magnetic balance between the rotor and the ring would make sense.  For example, instead of 30 magnets in a 5:1, should we use 29 or 31 -- thus there would never be two opposing and equal magnetic points.  I'm not sure the translator will help me to ask this clearly, JDO can you help me on this question ?    thanks ahead of time.
good luck all - Duane

Hey Duane,

That's a good question and one that I have thought about myself a few times. I'll ask Juan about it next time I speak to him and tell everyone what he says.

God Bless,
Jason O

Question:
Someone could ask Juan; Does he sort the stator magnets or does he just use them randomly?
Does he play with the stator at all as he installs them to select the magnets?

Statement:
I don't want to ruin anybodies dream here, but the easiest way I could see this happening
is if his house were wired incorrectly. The utility cable has two conductors and the
current is supposed to flow in on one wire and out on the other nearby parallel conductor
in the same cable. But it is possible to connect the two conductors together to support
more current in the cable then have the return current flow on along some other cable
route forming a big one wire loop around the room. This would be like a one turn transformer
primary bathing the whole room in a AC magnetic field. This could easily happen if you
create a household circuit to support two light switches on one light and don't wire the
circuit the way your supposed to. One would still need a electrical device drawing current
through the circuit to make the AC field happen - the more power dissipated by the
device the bigger the field.

The rotor would tuned to the frequency of the AC and rotate.

The above is just speculation - but it could happen and therefore two parties
would constantly get different results.

Hi All

The one good thing that came out of all the debate about the "Shield" mistranslation (sorry all  :P) is that it still seems to apply but in a magnetic way from what I'm seeing  ???

Rather than getting Juan involved in too much translation I was wondering if he would be so kind as to donate his working model for this forum to inspect (non destructively) and pass it on to other (Voted as best to inspect and report back (myself excluded) inspector(s))).

I will gladly donate $100.00 CA towards a working model (as in the video or better) for forum members to inspect and get the ball rolling if Juan agrees and anyone else is interested in this approach.  Better than nothing  :)

Regards,
Paul

I'm with you Paul, good idea.
If Juan wants to help it to be promoted we have to be able to replicate his model (on video), otherwise it will go nowhere.
If Juan will agree with it, let him appoint THE man for “inspection” (in fact it’s gonna be just close friendly presentation); I think Dan’s a right person for it. But it's up to Juan...

This device spam youtube since its exist, i am pretty sure its a fake. Someone that post this video 100 times per day with 100 differents username is suspect...

The reason for all the multiple youtube posts is fear of suppression by Juan.  Juan figured that having many video posts on youtube would make it harder to delete and suppress his motor.

I feel this device is not a fake.  I have been building and playing around with magnetic devices like Juan's motor for many many years.  No real successes yet, as we are all still trying to achieve continuous rotation etc.  The research continues...

Be patient with Juan. 
He has been very open with the technology and will talk with anyone willing to try and replicate his motor.

~Dan

P.S.  I included a pic of another build.

Hey guys

I agree with you Light, Dan you seem to be the man as far as replications so you got my vote for inspection.

Anyone else interested?  I say yeah not nay  ;D

Regards,
Paul

@ TheOne

I agree with your healthy skepticism but lets keep this simple, the gauntlet is down, can Juan agree to deliver a working device for this forum to inspect and how much to deliver, I'm donating $100.00 CA and I'm sticking to it, no BS just cash  ;D

Regards,
Paul

At least 3 of us going for it (for now).
But I doubt he'll send anything, I thought maybe somebody gonna visit him (friendly visit, it won't cost him anything, just half an hour of his time). But again, it's up to Juan. Let send him these offers somehow, he may have other ideas or other opinion about it...

@Dan

Quote from: Dansway on October 19, 2008, 11:42:25 PM
......

P.S.  I included a pic of another build.

Dan, Is this a Juan build, or someone else ??  Are there any dimensions or ratios available??

many thanks - Duane

@ Light

I'm ready to donate the $100.00 CA to anyone who can go and validate this phenomenon if Juan is willing to have someone inspect it on behalf of this forum if you and everyone wishes, I'll donate the money to pay the fuel and time to get there and report back if that's what it takes, give me a name and a PayPal account to drop it into and we're in business  ;D

Regards,
Paul

So do I, Paul, but it's up to Juan now to make first step...

If he has the ONLY working motor it would sure be a shame if it got lost in the mail.  :o
That would be the end of THAT!
Can't Juan take some GOOD closeup pics of the WORKING motor with a ruler beside it so we can see scale. We also need another video.
He also mentioned earlier of another design he had that was better, could he share that too??

I tried my hand at replicating this, but could only find ceramic ring magnets. I sized the printout of the pattern to my magnets, printed out the design and hot glued the magnets right on top of the printout, so I could get the right angles in the shape of the ring. I then hot glued the 2 rotor magnets to a square piece of wood angled EXACTLY like the printout and balanced them on a needle.
All of my magnets (18mm X 3mm) were N facing out on the stator and N facing out on the rotor, used 30 magnets on stator.
The rotor kind of tried to turn and wobble but it just...locked up!! Played around for at least a couple of hours trying different angles and lengths of the rotor but....no go.
I then placed the ring of magnets over the rotor and tried to turn the rotor by hand, you can feel the rotor cogging!!  It's like the back of the rotor's S pole is locking onto the sators N pole. The ring magnets suck! Where did he get the chess set that he got the magnets from??
So now I'm thinking I need to overlap the stator magnets more than halfway so that I cover the center opening, maybe that's why it's cogging, then use an odd number of magnets to prevent lockup. I don't know but I'm not giving up yet!!

Hi Everyone,

Here's a suggestion from Juan. I was telling him about how everyone is still having trouble tuning the motor. So he suggested that you try flipping the ring and tuning it with the magnets facing each other the other way 'round. In case this doesn't make sense, here's a picture to illustrate the point:


God Bless,
Jason O

You see this is where it gets really suspicious. Now he's completely changing the design  ???.

Quote from: broli on October 20, 2008, 04:57:11 AM
You see this is where it gets really suspicious. Now he's completely changing the design  ???.

He told me that the track can work both ways but that one way is easier to tune than the other. (not sure which). Anyway, for those who are building, it's worth a try.

Hi!

@Manuel Jose

Saludos de parte de Jesus Manuel!
Gracias por las fotos del nuevo diseno.

Jesus

"Here's a suggestion from Juan... you try flipping the ring and tuning it with the magnets facing each other the other way 'round
- We're (at least I'm) awaiting for simple answers to simple questions, not suggestions.
Can't spend more time on it; I'm out. Thank you everybody for cooperation...

Hi!

@manuel jose
Manuel jose porque tu no haces un kit de tu invento y lo mercadeas?

Translation:
Manuel Jose why dont you make a kit of your invention and market it?

Jesus

Here are two images of the motor from the video. Juan wanted me to post them and tell you that this is the correct position for the magnets. I don't know why he drew the line in the second one but he wanted me to post it.



God Bless,
Jason O

Hi!

Thank you Juan & Jason.
The only thing  that I notice is that the position is the same as the last one.

Jesus

 @ nievesoliver:
not to be naive but it is funny how  el IEVE fits just perfect inside your name, umm...
nIEVEsoliver.
maybe it is just me.
greetings from San Diego CA.

Hi!

What a coincidence!!!

Jesus

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 23, 2008, 09:14:57 PM
I don't know why he drew the line in the second one but he wanted me to post it.

God Bless,
Jason O

Educated Guess: He's indicating the relative length of the rotor for this stator ring.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi!

For one of those coincidences of the life, I asked Manuel Jose by email yesterday and just received his answer of the meaning of the name IEVE.
This is his answer:

IEVE = dios  es mi dios y el tuyo tambien  siempre escribo su nombre  para tener exito en todo IEVE es quien libra las batallas por mi y vence cualquier oposicion

Jesus

Quote from: mscoffman on October 24, 2008, 11:07:25 AM
Educated Guess: He's indicating the relative length of the rotor for this stator ring.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Juan said the line means "LINE=0" , no further explanation was forthcoming.
I understand that to be a point of equivalence, where repellancy is balanced.  The rotor length makes sense and is a possibility. 

What I think he means is LINE = O , or the circle, the critical dimension, the circumference of 20mm,  Here's why.  If you look closely, the photo has been scaled to real dimensions.  Taking it into photoshop, the length of the line is 62.8mm.  Hmmmm, 20mm X pi =

So, the line length is 1/5th the circumference of the ring (100 X pi).  It is also the circumference of the ring or rotor magnets  LINE = O or length of line is the circumference of the circle.  What we do know are the relationships between the diameter of the magnets (20 mm) and that of the ring.  Therefore it certainly is plausible to interpret this line to represent the next critical relationship, that of the rotor.  The rotor dimension certainly seems a logical extension of this puzzle, and the attached photo is a screen grab scaled to a 100mm ring with a 62.8mm line overlaid.  The fit on the rotor??  not too bad.   This is an educated guess at this point, I think this is a riddle that Juan wants us to figure out first  - Duane

Hi!

@Manuel Jose
How are you doing, anything new?

Translation:
Como estas, Algo nuevo?

Jesus

Hi!

I found a link that contains a magnetic motor with 36 magnets on the stator and 36 magnets on the rotor that is similar to the magnetic mill from Juan.

http://neo.im/media/document/225.pdf

Jesus

Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 25, 2008, 08:05:02 PM
Hi!

I found a link that contains a magnetic motor with 36 magnets on the stator and 36 magnets on the rotor that is similar to the magnetic mill from Juan.

http://neo.im/media/document/225.pdf

Jesus

incredible - great find, 19.47 is an interesting number.
the following clipped from http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/louxsie/cydonrant.html

"One of the most dramatic and significant numbers in sacred geometry is 19.47. In planetary terms many key energy uprisings occur at or close to 19.47 degrees above or below their equator. Solar flare activity on the surface of our Sun is most frequent and dramatic at 19.47 degrees; the Great Dark Spot on Neptune is at 19.47degrees; and Jupiter's Great Red Spot â€" a dense energy centre â€" is to be found at, you guessed it, 19.47 degrees. On Mars, the great mountain known as Olympus Mons sits at approximately 19.47 degrees. (How appropriate that whatever happened at Roswell happened in 1947!!)
If you imagine a tetrahedron being placed upside down inside the Earth and anchored by its upper point at the South Pole, the top two points would make contact with the outside world at... 19.47 degrees. "

So you are suggesting that at this position there is a hunk of iron?

OK where is the relevance of 19.47 in this design and what happens at this point?

Please do tell... As this is sounding like a sequel to the movie " The Number 23 "

-infringer-

Hi!

That pdf comes from this site: http://www.magnetmotor.at/
I just found it on another thread while navigating on the index.

Jesus

Hi!

If Manuel Jose or Juan does not participate in this thread, the thread will be dead soon.

Jesus

Hello people, I'm another enthusiast on the new energy field and found this looooooooong debate about Manuel's invention.

I can say that  IT WORKS. but it's not Manuel's invention... sorry!!      :o  :o  :o  :o

This sooo looong discussed thingy is nothing else than a MINATO WHEEL.       :P

And you can find some info right here

http://www.fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files\Minato%20advanced\

Have fun all of you, and I hope to see some decent HIGH DEFINITION, GREAT SOUND VIDEOS, please!!    :D

Bye

V.      ;)

Here you can find some more info about Minato Wheel

http://www.fdp.nu/thebook/default.asp

V.    ;)

Hi!

In this minato wheel gif that was at the link, you can see swomeone's hand moving the wheel.

Jesus

Edit
I could not post the gif because it is to heavy. 1.34mb
But watch carefully when you load the page http://www.fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files\Minato%20advanced\

Hi!

You be the judge on this matter.
The real minato magnet motor?
http://www.rexresearch.com/minato/minato.htm

Jesus

Juan's motor is similar to the Minato wheel but they are different. 
Juan's video on youtube is still very convincing.  Let's be patient as we work on trying to replicate Juan's motor.

~D

It is possible he has a great slight of hand and the gloves are props.

Top of gloves stay solid while his hand comes down and he can spin the device and the glove top hides this action like covering his hand up.

-infringer-

@infringer...

::)

Hola soy nuevo en el foro, pero hace tiempo lo estaba siguiendo este tema. Viendo como se desarrollaba en overunity. Aunque no se escribir en ingles entiendo lo que escriben :D, pero para tratar que me entiendan voy a usar el traductor de google.
En fin como no estoy convencido de que funcione o no el diseño de Juan Carlos, ya que desarrollando un par de dibujos del los campos magneticos, parece posible. Voy a seguir subiendo mi desarrollo siguiendo sus pasos, uno por uno. Como veran en mi profile tengo un web que seria http://desarrollandounmotormagnetico.blogspot.com/ desde esa pag voy a subir todos los experimentos que haga. Me gustaria que hagan un seguimiento de lo que voy a hacer. Para que me den diferentes ideas.

PD:Pediria por favor que no suban post denigrando a los latinoamericanos, como un usuario hizo con el video de ricky martin living la vida loca!!!
PD2: Le pedi ayuda a Juan Carlos y solo me dio una pagina Serbia  http://energije.com en el cual estan las fotos y diseños de ustedes, asique creo que no va a ser de mucha ayuda hablar de nuevo con el.
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Saludos Agustin.-

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Hi I'm new to the forum, but long ago it was following this issue. Seeing as it developed in overunity. Although not write in English understand what they write: D, but to try to understand that I am going to use the translator of google.
Anyway as I am not convinced that it works or not the design of Juan Carlos, since developing a pair of drawings of magnetic fields, it seems possible. I will continue my development going up following his steps, one by one. As summer in my profile that I have a web page that would http://desarrollandounmotormagnetico.blogspot.com/ since I'm going to climb all experiments to do. I would like to follow up what I'm going to do. To give me different ideas.

PS: Request please do not go up that post denigrating Latin Americans, as a user with a video of Ricky Martin living the crazy life!
PD2: It helps to ask Juan Carlos and just gave me a page http://energije.com in Serbia which are the photos and drawings of you, So I think it is not going to be very helpful to speak again with him.
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Greetings Agustin .-

Hi!

@agustin
I visited the link you posted and I saw the swf presentacions and I think that they are good.
Only an explanation of how to install the shields and the materials used is needed.

Jesus

Hola Jesus:
Hasta ahora solo es un desarrollo teorico, y me gustaria investigar mas el comportamientos de los campos magneticos respecto al material MU (magnetic shield). Este lo podes encontrar en discos rigidos viejos.
Para una mejor investigacion ydesarrollo me gustaria conseguir un poco de ferrofluido, y estoy viendo si lo puedo hacer con fabricacion casera.
Antes de costear un proyecto tan caro, tendria que saber si es viable o no. Por ahora voy a hacer un reproductor de videos en flash, asi subo videos de alta calidad; y te mostraria como funciona el material MU y te señalo en que parte del disco rigido se encuentra.
Tambien voy a subir otra animacion del desarrollo teorico, de como tendria que recubrir el material MU al iman. Y si el comportamiento que busco funciona, esto tendria que solucionar la mayoria de los problemas de los motores magneticos. Incluyendo el de Carlos Aviles. Y escogi el molino de viento porque el desarrollo de los imanes circulares apilados en forma de circulo, abarata el costo del motor, de manera que no tendria que usar tanto MU (magnetic shield). Y este solo tendria que recubrir los imanes que se encuentran en la elice del rotor.
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Saludos Agustin.-
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Hi Jesus:
So far it is only a theoretical development, and I like to investigate further the behavior of the magnetic fields with respect to material MU (magnetic shield). This what you can find in old hard disks.
For better research and development I like to get a bit of ferrofluid, and I'm seeing if I can do to manufacture homemade.
Prior to afford such an expensive, would have to know whether it is viable or not. For now I am going to make a video in flash, so upload videos of high quality and show you how the material MU works and brought in that part of the disc is rigid.
I will also raise another theoretical development of animation, how the material would have to cover the magnet MU. And if the behavior they seek work, it would have to settle most of the problems of magnetic motors. Including that of Carlos Aviles. And I chose the magneticmill because the development of circular magnets stacked in the form of circle, cheaper cost of the engine, so it should not be used both MU (magnetic shield). And this would only have to cover the magnets that are in the ELIZE rotor.
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Greetings Agustin .-

Hi!

The problem I always has had with the magnetic motors I have built is that the motor stops at the famous sticky spot.  I know that with your shielding ideas, this problem will be a thing of the past.
We appreciate your help and involvement on this topic.

Jesus

Hi Jesus:
Subi parte de lo que te dije, toda la informacion sobre el comportamiento y donde lo podes encontrar al magnetic shield.
Pronto subire mas informacion para mantenerlos al tanto de mis avances.
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Saludos Agustin.-
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Hi Jesus:
Upload part of what I said, all about behavior and what you can find where the magnetic shield.
Soon upload more information to keep abreast of my progress.
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Greetings Agustin .-

Dir of upload ----------------> http://desarrollandounmotormagnetico.blogspot.com/

   Many thanks to Agustin for the video of the material he used. It brings forth
an idea or two. Would bet tho that that specific material is "proprietary" and
therefore not available.
   
thaelin

Hi!

I dont know if anybody else is having problems with the video and the photos uploaded to this link:

http://desarrollandounmotormagnetico.blogspot.com/

But I cannot see the video on a continuous stream, it stops for a long time then proceeds and stop etc. Also there are empty photo boxes, I mean only the box shows, there is no photo or graphic on it. Please advice.

Jesus

Quote from: Thaelin on October 28, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
   Many thanks to Agustin for the video of the material he used. It brings forth
an idea or two. Would bet tho that that specific material is "proprietary" and
therefore not available.
   
thaelin

   
Excuse Thaelin: P does not understand what you said, because my translation is half bad jejeje.

   The slow video is the transfer rate. If you notice, it is buffering a lot of the time when it
freezes. As for the boxes, just watched the vid. Still interesting stuff. and to think of all
I have thrown out with the old drives.
   I would like to get it in a pre-defined form so I could play.

thaelin

Ha con respecto a lo anterior, me alegra haberte dado ideas :D. Respecto al video si queres te lo envio por msn. Espero haberles sido de ayuda, y cualquier pregunta o duda respecto a lo que hice, me consultan :D.
Despues voy a subir mas cosas y los mantengo al tanto.
Saludos Agustin.-

PD: Si de casualidad consiguen "ferrofluido" o "fluido ferromagnetico"; me avisan, asi les consulto experimentos para hacer usando el magnetic shiel y el iman. Que obiamente ayudaran al desarrollo del mismo.

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Has with regard to the foregoing, I am happy to have given ideas: D. Regarding the video if you want it sent by messenger. I hope that I have been of help, and any question or doubt about what I did, I consulted: D.
Then I'm going to climb over things and keep abreast.
Greetings Agustin .-

PS: If you get the chance "ferrofluid" or "ferromagnetic fluid", warn me, so I consult them for experiments using "magnetic Shield" and the "magnet". To assist the development of it.

Hi!

@thaelin
Thank you.

@agustin
Yo creo que lo que thaelin quiere decir es que el material del que esta hecho el shield del hardisk es bien dificil de conseguir, debido tal vez a que lo manufactura una compania en especifico. Aunque tambien puedo estar equivocado.

Jesus

Hi Jesus:
No sabias que hablabas español. Mejor :D. Ha y gracias por traducirme mejor. Mira si es verdad es muy dificil de conseguir, pero hay empresas que lo venden. El problema es que es muy caro, asique tendriamos que experimentar con los "magnetic shield" del harddisk moldeandolo a golpes y cortandolo, como lo hace los herreros pero sin calentarlo.
Pero para dar tanto esfuerzo se tiene que justificar!. Por eso, es que quiero conseguir el "ferrofluido" o "fluido ferromagnetico".
Despues subo un flash para que vean lo que quiero decir.
Y en mas elegi el motor de "molino magnetico" de carlos aviles porque solo habira que moldear los magetic shield para semi-tapar los imanes de la helice.
Una vez mas gracias jesus por la traduccion.
Saludos Agustin.-
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Hi Jesus:
Do not know you were talking Spanish. Best: D. And thank for translated better. See if it is true it is very difficult to achieve, but there are companies that sell it. The problem is that it is very expensive, So we should experiment with the "magnetic shield" of the harddisk die-casting coups and cutting, as blacksmiths but without heat.
But to give so much effort has to justify!. So it is that I want to get the "ferrofluid" or "ferromagnetic fluid."
Then upload a flash to see what I mean.
And most elected engine "magnetic mill" by Carlos Avila because only habira that shape the magetic shield for semi-cap magnets of the propeller.
Once again thank Jesus for the translation.
Greetings Agustin .-

perdon por los inconvenientes, de si no puedieron ver los que subi :S.
por lo tanto tratare de subir las fotos al foro y los videos a youtube asi habra menos problemas.
si no me equivoco es un error del servidor. En fin gracias por el aviso.
Saludos Agustin.-
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sorry for the inconvenience, for if you can not see the files it went up :S
therefore try to upload photos to the forum and videos to YouTube so there will be fewer problems.
I believe it is a server error. Anyway, thanks for the warning.
Greetings Agustin .-

Hi!

No problem

Jesus

Hi!

Looking on other threads I was directed to youtube and there I found this link that is related to the magnetic mill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwX0o255VK0

I dont know if it its not another trick.

Jesus

Quote from: nievesoliveras on October 31, 2008, 01:30:03 PM
Hi!

Looking on other threads I was directed to youtube and there I found this link that is related to the magnetic mill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwX0o255VK0

I dont know if it its not another trick.

Jesus

Hello Jesus:

I strikes me that you don't know what you are seeing in that video link you just provided. That is a Hamel spinner, a very old pit trap in the Free Energy world, and a trick that you should not be falling for at these heights.

Regards.

Hi!

@chileanone

Thank you!

Jesus

Can't believe this debate has gone on this long! It's the same old story.  IT'S THE HAND. Permanently mounted, rotation quickly ceases.

Hi fleubis & All

Fleubis you raised a good point  :P as you mentioned "the hand" is always faster the eye (or in this case the camera).

It does look a lot like all the other magnetic motors with short blurry videos and big claims... that's why I asked if it was possible to have a live (OU.com people) demo the unit other than the inventor's video version.  Not that I don't believe the inventor but so far I don't see a working version (let alone driving a generator) even though some good people here tried their hands at replicating it from the inventor's descriptions and drawings ???

Still, in science, you have to be able to replicate the original or at least provide a working unit for people to inspect if you want to be believed and protected ;D once it's out to the masses it's too late for big bro to protect their interests using intimidation ;D  forget about patents IMHO.

At any rate, I've not seen many people trying to somehow attempt to mechanize "the hand" movement if that's what it takes, I mean we already put man on the moon decades ago  ::)  What would it take, a small motor driving a bigger generator? 

Call me hard headed but I still haven't seen science prove all theories, claims and replications of other possible discoveries that normal people could come up with in experimentation and could prove what some inventors have claimed to be possible. Otherwise scientists wouldn't exist ;D  in the end it's just us mere mortals who come up with ideas that lead to scientific discoveries is it not?  In our heads as theories or as common lay person doesn't matter to me  ;D

That's what makes it fun for me is to think that someday maybe someone will come up with a brilliant idea to help us all  ;)

Until then I'll just keep hoping, but you're all entitled to call me a dreamer and then some :D

Regards,
Paul

Paul,

You are missing my point.  This is no slight of hand, no hidden things under the table, no digital maniplation, nor trickery of any kind. This device functions as it does due to the energy supplied by the physical movement of the hand. Remove the energy supplied by the hand --see it jiggling?--by firm mounting the movement will quickly cease. There are many people on YouTube with such magnetic "motors" and they all fail when the the externally supplied energy is removed.  The most famous example of this is the Howard Johnson motor, for which Howard received a patent.

When you see a device running without apparent outside energy being supplied, then look for trickery. Lutec and a number of other outfits claim to have working magnetic motors, but they don't stay working for other reasons.

So the search goes on that maybe there is a loophole in the 3rd law of thermodynamics.

James

Hi fleubis

I agree with what you are saying, sorry if the translation got lost in the last post, it was long winded (sorry)  :P

I mentioned "At any rate, I've not seen many people trying to somehow attempt to mechanize "the hand" movement if that's what it takes, I mean we already put man on the moon decades ago  Roll Eyes  What would it take, a small motor driving a bigger generator?  "  . Again, long winded  :P :P

So I agree with the hand movement, only I was thinking a small motor imitating the hand movement, through a cam perhaps, moving the stator ring just enough to magnetically force the rotor to rotate, magnets do shoot off when you repel them so I could imagine a rotor wanting to spin away from vibrating or elliptical rotations of the stator (well not really a stator anymore but not rotating).

I just haven't seen any attempts to overcome this by mechanization of the hand movement enough to generate extra power.  Sometimes it's just as well to go the extra step to prove or disprove a concept  ::)

Regards,
Paul

Quote from: fleubis on November 04, 2008, 09:10:00 PM

When you see a device running without apparent outside energy being supplied, then look for trickery. Lutec and a number of other outfits claim to have working magnetic motors, but they don't stay working for other reasons.

James

I agree with you on the small size ring. But suppose you build a big one that outputs lots
of power to run an alternator. Would it be possible to have let us say have a fan blade that causes
air turbulence and shakes the stator ring suffciently to keep it running? Any Andian breezes
could then assist.

:S:MarkSCoffman

BAD BAD BAD way. Forget it.

Some of you are not getting it, because a human hand cannot remain totally still this motor will spin, the amount of energy imparted by the hand is quite a lot even though you do not see it, so replacing the hand with some mechanical device will require the same amount of energy, which trust me will be more than this spinner puts out.

Hi Everyone,

Here's a video Juan sent me showing an animation of his motor. He also mentioned that there ARE actually small shields behind the rotor magnets to block the opposite pole face from interacting with the ring magnets. I am not sure why he did not mention this before but the interesting thing is hie mentions using carbon fiber for the shielding. HE said that it is something to do with the mass of the carbon fiber that allow the field to be blocked without causing the ring magnets to be attracted to the shielding.

Here's the video lnk: http://www.mediafire.com/?kizkwmiygmw
God Bless,
Jason O

Can you tell him to cut the bullshit already. Noone has had a successful replication or did he show more videos than his first horrific one. I won't tell you people how you are wasting your time on him since that'ld be super hypocritical. But make him do new videos already. I mean now he's talking about carbon fiber????

When someone stirs a pot without giving something to eat is probably stirring an empty pot.

Hi!

Nice flash presentation!

Jesus

That's Right Broli! You come in here hungry and you leave hungry!

Funny thing...back on page 4, Juan INSISTED there were no shields, just magnets. NOW the story is...not only do you need shields, but CARBON FIBER ones!! Do you know how expensive carbon fiber is!! How long did it take him to save up for them?? Next it'll be... the magnets aren't ceramic they're discs made from sintered moon dust!

Don't you think it would be easier and faster to make another QUICK video with the same ring and rotor, but NO he goes and takes the next 2 days to come up with some fancyass flash video that tells me nothing as to how to get it working!

So cut the CRAP Juan!! and make a new video, but he won't because the motor locks up just like mine did! Then again, I didn't have the magical gloves on!!

Since he's starting to change his stories and not making any new videos. Common sense tells me that he knows his 5 minutes of fame is coming to a close and he's grasping for straws.

Damm! If I had a working magnet motor I'd be filming it forwards, backward and upside down for crying out loud, not making stupid flash videos!!

Anyhoo, I found a video of a similar magnet motor and if you look at 2:02, when the magnets are placed closer at the top of the stator they make a...(drumroll)...UNBALANCED field...something you don't see in Juans design. In Juans design the magnets are all balanced... that's why the rotor won't play ring around the rosy with the stator...nuff said!

I'm thinking of giving this a shot. Can anyone translate what the guy in the video is saying. He has a few more worth looking into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGHRwwmmsK0&feature=related

Hi Yaz,

I agree that Juan is not very forthcoming with his videos. I have asked him several times about making a better one

However, looking at that link you posted, that guy may be onto something there. I glanced over the video he made and it looks like he is basically applying the 90 Degree Rule that I wrote about back in 2005. Check out this link to view the article:

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90

I also think Juan's motor is using the same principle and found it interesting that he is now talking about putting shielding around only the axle magnets, like pot shielding. I did ask him where he was getting carbon fiber and he said from old auto bodies. I never heard of anyone using carbon fiber for magnetic shielding but you never know, there might be something to this.

God Bless,
Jason O

http://sitio.com/cafecitos1a/

Quote from: Dansway on November 14, 2008, 03:38:19 PM
http://sitio.com/cafecitos1a/

I am starting to think that Juan, albeit not dishinest at all, may be convinced himself of something that is simply not real. His later flip flops, point towards that direction, heavily.

IMHO, this has become a huge time waster.

Hi All,

I have read everything here with great interest. After experimenting for about 30+ years and making many non working all permanent magnet motor devices  I believe I am onto something with my latest device.  Folks- what I have constructed recently is no hoax.

Something is going on with my motor device.   I have managed to construct a square shape track that a central pivoting rotor arm magnet can track all the way around 360 degrees !  The 4 inside corners I would have to call "in transition" areas. They are not liken sticky spots where all rotor arm action ceases. 

The problem using a small  5 magnet arm rotor is that it does not turn because the center area within the square shape magnetic boxs strong  polarity completely envelops the whole rotors polaritys.  Both north and south poles  Result is no movement. Been there and done that.   --- Now a different story.--

If I raise the rotor to about 6 inches or more off the magnetic box shape and lenghthen the rotor arms I see that a rotor arm swings very easily.    I am now making a "CONE" shape rotor with five arms.  Five south poles will face down ( spread out equally )  nearest square shape track. I plan to use a lot of stacked rod magnets so the north (or high end) is not anywhere near the track but high up and very close together at a TOP PIVOT point . By experimenting I found that the rotor by turning counterclockwise will also FLOAT ( repel) as well as turn using south poles facing down.  By using north poles facing down on the rotor will cause clockwise rotation as well as turn (attraction). No floating action here.

I need to know if there is anyone interested in constructing this type of experimental motor device to take it to the next level whereas we have a motor device with a no hoax turning rotor.

If that is achieved that person must make all info available to everyone looking at this web site.       I will post all info I have on it as well as a photos if interest is shown.  I am not into this for any money or fame at all. Just self satisfaction that "Green Machine" construction will be shown to millions and propel the world forward into alternate energy.

Thanks, Tom

Hi magnetman12003

When you say "I have managed to construct a square shape track that a central pivoting rotor arm magnet can track all the way around 360 degrees ! " do you mean you have a self runner prototype?  If so why not open a new thread and lay all the information down so that anyone can replicate?  Safety in numbers  ;D

You are on a very motivated site to achieve OU so have at er'  ;D

Regards,
Paul

“I need to know if there is anyone interested in constructing this type of experimental motor device…
- Hi, Tom. Well, I’m interested.
It’s hard to understand what do you mean without drawings, but seems it’s more real that el ieve hoax.

Hi Paul,

No -- its not a self runner yet. It definetely should be one if the rotor is made and positioned correctly. I can go for weeks working that way with no luck. With hundreds of folks trying out different rotor combinations we could have results very quickly.   The square magnetic rail box does send a rotor arm 360 degrees but how high above the track and what strenght of rotor magnet used will have to be determined by experimenting.  Thats where a lot of folks working on this can expedite results.

Tom

Hi Tom

The only advice I can give you is open a new thread and supply as much information on your setup as possible for peer review that way everyone will at least be able to give you feedback, this thread is for the EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill  so just so we don't fill this thread please create a new one so that we can see what you're proposing and we can go from there  ;D

Regards,
Paul

 If you all are basing your designs off the first video posted, stop because that only works because they are moving the field with their hand which is letting the rotor keep spinning.

I keep hearing about shielding but shielding does no good unless you are wanting to shield against the whole magnetic field because otherwise you are only bending the field and no matter how you bend it, it will always be a magnetic field which has a equal polarity that can not split and shielded separately.

The only way you can use a magnet to produce energy is to introduce work to it. The problem is that you have to collect more energy from the movement then the energy used to create the movement and that is going to take a very high efficient power source to create the movement and it will take a high efficient pulsed power source to do so.

@all
I visualize by the last group of comments posted, that the magnetic mill is not a reality yet. What it is trying to get everybody here including Moran and myself is that the rotor does not get stuck at the magnetic sticky point and stop.

If the author of the magnetic mill had gotten the rotor to spin as it is supposed, he would not be changing now to the shielding that he sends to all his email contacts as he has been doing.

Quote from: Light on November 15, 2008, 12:25:06 AM
“I need to know if there is anyone interested in constructing this type of experimental motor device…
- Hi, Tom. Well, I’m interested.
It’s hard to understand what do you mean without drawings, but seems it’s more real that el ieve hoax.

  Hi - I just entered this in a new posting under magnet motors.  Its called SQUARE MAGNETIC - RAIL ROTOR 360 ROTATION.   

Tom

With a starkly amateurish presentation, sleight of hand entirely possible, a blatantly suspicious use of gloves and lacking baisic transparency, (in what is beneath the table), makes this demonstration far less than compelling.
Were this result demonstrated with clear plexiglass supporting components, far from any possible extraneous magnetic propulsion, (or dubious wires coming from places unseen), I'd give it a second look.
In short, just another garden variety claim unsupported by evidence.
Why is it so many claim to be "on the cusp" - or "nearing the end product" - but we viewers, none of us in fact, have seen a genuine, practical design that clearly demostrates PM or overunity?
Or have I missed one?

aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal
PARA QUE FUNCIONE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MAGNETIC MILL (MOLINO MAGNETICO) SE DEBEN AISLAR LOS LADOS Y BORDES  DE ATRACCION MAGNETICA EN LOS IMANES DEL EJE O ROTOR ESTO EVITARA LA DISTORCION MAGNETICA  Y ASI EL EJE NO SE FRENARA ASI MISMO.



use imanes circulares  o cuadrados de lo que se trata es tener una superficie amplia para que los choques entre campos magneticos de igual polaridad sean  efectivos.


recuerde  esto  fuerza de torsion y velocidad  de rotor =  aleacion de imanes artificiales / recubra o aisle bordes y lado de atraccion en imanes de rotor para asi evitar  la distorsion magnetica /




http://tec.fresqui.com/ieve-motor-magnetico-pone-fin-al-monopolio-de-los-combustibles
http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES
http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm

I'm sorry. But unlike you, I do not have the use of a translation program.

Regards

JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃ'ADOR DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL)      EMAIL   manueljose_888@hotmail.com


aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal

http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES
http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm

Quote from: MAGNETIC MILL on November 17, 2008, 03:49:59 AM

JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃ'ADOR DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL)      EMAIL   manueljose_888@hotmail.com


aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal

http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES
http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm

Again, I'm sorry. I do not have access to a translation program.

@moran

Una pregunta. Haz hecho tu la modificacion que dices en algun motor?
Si lo haz hecho. Puedes mostrar un pequeno video de tu progreso?

Jesus

Juan Carlos:

Con tu falta de claridad y precisión en lo que dices, creo sinceramente que no exagero al decir que has perdido la credibilidad en este foro. Si no apareces con un plano exacto de como construir el IEVE, con detalles de donde comprar las partes incluso, dudo que esa situación cambie.

Saludos.

aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal
PARA QUE FUNCIONE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MAGNETIC MILL (MOLINO MAGNETICO) SE DEBEN AISLAR LOS LADOS Y BORDES  DE ATRACCION MAGNETICA EN LOS IMANES DEL EJE O ROTOR ESTO EVITARA LA DISTORCION MAGNETICA  Y ASI EL EJE NO SE FRENARA ASI MISMO.



use imanes circulares  o cuadrados de lo que se trata es tener una superficie amplia para que los choques entre campos magneticos de igual polaridad sean  efectivos.


recuerde  esto  fuerza de torsion y velocidad  de rotor =  aleacion de imanes artificiales / recubra o aisle bordes y lado de atraccion en imanes de rotor para asi evitar  la distorsion magnetica /

aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal
PARA QUE FUNCIONE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MAGNETIC MILL (MOLINO MAGNETICO) SE DEBEN AISLAR LOS LADOS Y BORDES  DE ATRACCION MAGNETICA EN LOS IMANES DEL EJE O ROTOR ESTO EVITARA LA DISTORCION MAGNETICA  Y ASI EL EJE NO SE FRENARA ASI MISMO.



use imanes circulares  o cuadrados de lo que se trata es tener una superficie amplia para que los choques entre campos magneticos de igual polaridad sean  efectivos.


recuerde  esto  fuerza de torsion y velocidad  de rotor =  aleacion de imanes artificiales / recubra o aisle bordes y lado de atraccion en imanes de rotor para asi evitar  la distorsion magnetica /

Quote from: ChileanOne on November 17, 2008, 08:00:44 AM
Juan Carlos:

Con tu falta de claridad y precisión en lo que dices, creo sinceramente que no exagero al decir que has perdido la credibilidad en este foro. Si no apareces con un plano exacto de como construir el IEVE, con detalles de donde comprar las partes incluso, dudo que esa situación cambie.

Saludos.

I suppose that you will continue to post to me, in particular. And please fully grasp that I do not understand a word that you are posting.
Regards

Unidad de repelencia magnetica (U.R.M) o Molino de repelencia magnetica (M.R.M)
La unidad de repelencia magnetica U.R.M creada y diseñada por juan carlos Aviles Moran es el medio alternativo de generar electricidad de manera muy economica la U.R.M es un molino de repelencia magnetica que potencia o hace girar el eje de un dinamo. Fue en 1980 que juan carlos aviles moran desarrolla los usos de campos magneticos magnificados entre imanes de misma polaridad magnetica.
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran creador y diseñador de la unidad de repelencia magnetica
la unidad de repelencia magnetica u.r.m o molino de repelencia magnetica m.r.m es un sistema alternativo de producir energia electrica y es muy facil de construir dando una solucion a la crisis energetica mundial; la u.r.m funciona con los mismos principios que un molino de agua (hidro-electrica) o de viento (eolica-electrica) pero en la u.r.m el molino se movera por fuerza de repelencia magnetica (magnetorepelencia-electrica)
El fenomeno fisico Cascada de repelencia magnetica es la energia del futuro
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran descubre el fenomeno fisico llamado cascada de repelencia magnetica este consiste en una fuerza de repelencia magnetica unidireccionalmente encausada dentro del aro de la unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino de repelencia magnetica; la cascada de repelencia magnetica no es mas que un sendero de repelencia continua por donde transitan los imanes del eje rotor de la U.R.M al ser repelidos por los imanes del aro; cascada de repelencia magnetica seria por ejemplo la energia de choque del agua en un molino comun

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on November 17, 2008, 08:14:32 AM
Unidad de repelencia magnetica (U.R.M) o Molino de repelencia magnetica (M.R.M)
La unidad de repelencia magnetica U.R.M creada y diseñada por juan carlos Aviles Moran es el medio alternativo de generar electricidad de manera muy economica la U.R.M es un molino de repelencia magnetica que potencia o hace girar el eje de un dinamo. Fue en 1980 que juan carlos aviles moran desarrolla los usos de campos magneticos magnificados entre imanes de misma polaridad magnetica.
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran creador y diseñador de la unidad de repelencia magnetica
la unidad de repelencia magnetica u.r.m o molino de repelencia magnetica m.r.m es un sistema alternativo de producir energia electrica y es muy facil de construir dando una solucion a la crisis energetica mundial; la u.r.m funciona con los mismos principios que un molino de agua (hidro-electrica) o de viento (eolica-electrica) pero en la u.r.m el molino se movera por fuerza de repelencia magnetica (magnetorepelencia-electrica)
El fenomeno fisico Cascada de repelencia magnetica es la energia del futuro
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran descubre el fenomeno fisico llamado cascada de repelencia magnetica este consiste en una fuerza de repelencia magnetica unidireccionalmente encausada dentro del aro de la unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino de repelencia magnetica; la cascada de repelencia magnetica no es mas que un sendero de repelencia continua por donde transitan los imanes del eje rotor de la U.R.M al ser repelidos por los imanes del aro; cascada de repelencia magnetica seria por ejemplo la energia de choque del agua en un molino comun

Sorry pal,
Your post notices have been blocked from my inbox. I'll not respond, but please...
keep posting 'till your heart's content, OK?
Tata

@moran

Para ya de darte guille de que eres un inventor y muestra que eso es cierto. Deja de estar buscando reconocimiento y estar usando el nombre de Dios para eso.

Jesus

HELLO FOLKS!

Why don't you use free online language translators like this for instance: http://translate.google.com/

Choose the languages, say SPANISH >> ENGLISH and copy and paste the Spanish text to the left side window and click on TRANSLATE, ok?

rgds,  Gyula

(The above text in Spanish by the computer translation is here:)

HOLA AMIGOS!

¿Por qué no eres libre de utilizar traductores en línea como esta por ejemplo: http://translate.google.com/

Elige los idiomas, por ejemplo ESPAÃ'OL>> INGLÉS y copiar y pegar el texto en lengua española a la izquierda y la derecha de la ventana haz clic en traducir, ok?

respecto, Gyula

IEVE //// motor magnetico pone fin al monopolio de los combustibles

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on November 17, 2008, 09:55:54 AM

IEVE //// motor magnetico pone fin al monopolio de los combustibles

Translation:

IEVE //// magnetic motor puts an end  to the monopoly of fuels.

Juan Carlos:

Si quieres que esa frase sea realidad, tienes que ser capaz de enseñarle a los demás como se construye el aparato. Todo lo que tenemos hasta el momento de tu parte es una serie de informaciones, repetitivas, pobremente expresadas, incoherentes y contradictorias. Ya varios hemos gastado nuestro tiempo tratando de replicar lo que tu dices tener funcionando, y nadie ha logrado éxito. Repetir lo mismo hasta el cansancio no va a hacer que los motores funcionen. Hasta antes de que empezaras a cambiar tu propia versión de que el motor no tenía nada de material "aislante", yo tenía la impresión de que eras un persona honesta que quería ayudarnos a construir algo real. Ahora tengo bastantes dudas sobre tus reales intenciones, y lo lamento mucho, pero ya no te creo nada. Así que, en mi humilde opinión, no tienes nada y nos estás haciendo perder el tiempo valioso con una idea que se ha demostrado hasta la saciedad que no funciona.

Muchos Saludos y que tengas un buen día.

Translation:

Juan Carlos:

If you want that phrase to become a reality, you have to be able to teach others to build the apparatus.  All what wev'e got untill now from you is a series of information that is repetitive, poorly worded, uncoherent and contradictory. Many of us have spent our time trying to replicate what you claim to have working, and yet none has achieved success. To repeat the same until oblivion won't make the motors work. Until before you started to change your own version about the motor having nt any shielding material, I was under the impression that you were an honest person wanting to help us build something real. Now I have plenty of doubts regarding your real intentions, and I am truly sorry, but now I don't believe you nothing. So, IMHO, you've got nothing and are wasting our valuable time with an idea that has been demonstrated once and again to not work.

Regards and Have a nice day.

IEVE
juan carlos aviles moran email manueljose_888@hotmail.com


si se implementara el uso de la unidad de repelencia magnetica (sistema alternativo de generacion electrica ) las economias del mundo se verian beneficiadas creandose una nueva sociedad o sistema social al cual yo llamo la colonia. en la colonia la generacion y uso de energia electrica es gratis es decir una sociedad basada en la abundancia energetica y una sociedad con conciencia y racionalidad para entender que la humanidad debe coexistir en equilibrio con la naturaleza protegiendo al planeta tierra pacifica de cualquier abuso siendo las guerras y las hambrunas un recuerdo la miseria ya no existiria seria un mundo perfecto con las necesidades basicas solucionadas

JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃ'ADOR DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL)      EMAIL   manueljose_888@hotmail.com

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http://tec.fresqui.com/ieve-motor-magnetico-pone-fin-al-monopolio-de-los-combustibles


IEVE ////  magnetic mill - molino magnetico (unidad de repelencia magnetica creado y diseñado por juan carlos aviles moran)




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        aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal  :



http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES
http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm

UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE





UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE




UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE




UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE




UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE

@moran

Parece que tu tienes problemas politicos en tu pais y estas tratando de resolverlos, pero la manera que lo estas haciendo, provoca que las personas se cansen de ti.
Por favor cambia el estar repitiendo lo mismo.

Jesus

It seems that you have political problems in your country and you are trying to solve them, but the way you're doing that, causes people to get tire of you.
Please change be repeating the same thing.

Jesus

                         NO   MISSERY
                                                        NO WAR
            NO HUNGER
                                           NO MONOPOLY OIL PETROLEUM
                  NO TYRANT
             


CHILEAN ONE AND JESUS MANUEL NIEVES OLIVERAS  ARE STUPID MEN



IEVE //// motor magnetico pone fin al monopolio de los combustibles




UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE






UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE

@moran

I thought you were a decent man that belived in EL IEVE and was incapable of offending publicly by name another human being.


Jesus

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on November 17, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
                         NO   MISSERY
                                                        NO WAR
            NO HUNGER
                                           NO MONOPOLY OIL PETROLEUM
                  NO TYRANT
             


CHILEAN ONE AND JESUS MANUEL NIEVES OLIVERAS  ARE STUPID MEN



IEVE //// motor magnetico pone fin al monopolio de los combustibles




UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE






UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE

This is exactly what I thought that would happen after deciding asking Juan Carlos to come clear.

He has shown his true colours. I will not put myself down to his level.  I'm out of this thread for good.

I hope he does not come back to keep spamming.

Sigh.

see here       




http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=1ttm13AyiMs&feature=related

EVE //// juan carlos aviles moran free energy magnetic mill

see



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3-d9wONEA&feature=related

@moran

Te felicito Juan!
El magneto se mueve como el que hizo hall.
El unico problema que yo veo en esa clase de motores, es que necesita mover el aro par que funcione el rotor.
Si no es mucho pedir, harias tu la prueba de colocar el rotor quieto en un punto y acercar el aro y dejarlo solo sin moverlo?

Perdona mi atrevimiento.

Jesus

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on November 17, 2008, 07:09:43 PM
see here       




http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=1ttm13AyiMs&feature=related

EVE //// juan carlos aviles moran free energy magnetic mill

see



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3-d9wONEA&feature=related

Its called hamel motor and this dont work as you can see in your video, your hand make the rotor move. This cannot work

@moran

Este es el grafico del hamel. Me equivoque de nombre y dije hall.
Se comenta que no funciona bien, pero a lo mejor tu lo lograstes hacer funcionar. Si lo haces funcionar sin mover el aro y con el rotor fijo, te haces famoso al instante. Sabias eso?

Jesus

Quote from: nievesoliveras on November 17, 2008, 02:40:37 PM
@moran

I thought you were a decent man that belived in EL IEVE and was incapable of offending publicly by name another human being.


Jesus

That's ok if you really want to believe in errors and misunderstood phenomena, the EL IEVE is nothing but a trick, an illusion to the eye, really, try it for yourself, try fixing the ring to a static rig no hand holding and see if you can keep it spinning without any external energy without touching it, without blowing on it, I'll bet my next wages you do not get to keep spinning.

@runningbare

Everybody deserves an opportunity of showing some value. If the person cant show some value, it will be evident soon.

Jesus

Quote from: RunningBare on November 17, 2008, 11:23:13 PM
That's ok if you really want to believe in errors and misunderstood phenomena, the EL IEVE is nothing but a trick, an illusion to the eye, really, try it for yourself, try fixing the ring to a static rig no hand holding and see if you can keep it spinning without any external energy without touching it, without blowing on it, I'll bet my next wages you do not get to keep spinning.

"fluctuation driven magnetic motor"

more recent:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf

http://etd.caltech.edu/etd/available/etd-06052007-153115/unrestricted/bothesis2007.pdf

Quote from: juan carlos aviles moran on November 17, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
                         NO   MISSERY
                                                        NO WAR
            NO HUNGER
                                           NO MONOPOLY OIL PETROLEUM
                  NO TYRANT
             
CHILEAN ONE AND JESUS MANUEL NIEVES OLIVERAS  ARE STUPID MEN

IEVE //// motor magnetico pone fin al monopolio de los combustibles

UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE

UNIT of magnetic repellency

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE

Hey mister, why don't you find yourself some other hobby... Instead of insulting people which are questioning your fantasy?

You're so deluded it almost hurts.... I think I mentioned before, but this "IEVE" motor of yours is almost an Antic stuff... Gee, why it's unworkable?
You simply don't have a clue about what you're claiming...

Nice Archurian approach... Like freedom of the people, new world order, no more hunger.,... With a perpetually resting device.

O.M.G...

FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE



my name is juan carlor aviles moran I over the monopoly oil petroleum






http://www.youtube.com/user/tyun1232

Quote from: MAGNETIC MILL on November 18, 2008, 04:43:12 AM
FREE ENERGY = FREEDOM PEOPLE
my name is juan carlor aviles moran I over the monopoly oil petroleum
http://www.youtube.com/user/tyun1232

Hola, mr. Juan Carlor(?) Aviles Moran /Magnetic Mill,

Nice presentation,  perfectly in accordance with the rest of the "YouTube FE related videos"...

It's good to hear that you believe you are the reason to end the monopoly of the Big Oil...
Please, can you hold back for a while? I hear the petroleum prices are dropping at the moment.. 
;D

Quote from: wings on November 18, 2008, 03:59:44 AM
"fluctuation driven magnetic motor"

more recent:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0710/0710.1565v2.pdf

http://etd.caltech.edu/etd/available/etd-06052007-153115/unrestricted/bothesis2007.pdf

I'm not interested in equations and theories, show me one that works.

                     



  OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO - + + - POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS -+ + -    __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS -+ + -

            RING ALL MAGNETS  -

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME


   

  OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO + - - +POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS + - - +   __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS  + - - +

            RING ALL MAGNETS   + 

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME


   

OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO - + + - POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS -+ + -    __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS -+ + -

            RING ALL MAGNETS  -

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME


                                                 OR



OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO + - - +  POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS + - - +   __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS  + - - +

            RING ALL MAGNETS   +

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME

Finally we may have the truth from this JOKER!     ::)

???  ???  ???

No more bullshit Juan.  Is this the truth?

~D

OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO - + + - POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS -+ + -    __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS -+ + -

            RING ALL MAGNETS  -

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME


                                                 OR



OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO + - - +  POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS + - - +   __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS  + - - +

            RING ALL MAGNETS   +

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME

IEVE es mi dios
OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO - + + - POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS -+ + -    __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS -+ + -

            RING ALL MAGNETS  -

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME


                                                 OR



OKEY    OKEY   MY SECRET   IS   MAGNETS ROTOR  =  POLO + - - +  POLO  OKEY

                  IN THE ROTOR 4 MAGNETS

                   2 MAGNETS + - - +   __________ROTOR__________   2 MAGNETS  + - - +

            RING ALL MAGNETS   +

       MAGNETIC MILL  IS A UNIT OF REPELLENCY MAGNETIC ALL TIME

JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃ'ADOR DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL)      EMAIL   manueljose_888@hotmail.com

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IEVE ////  magnetic mill - molino magnetico (unidad de repelencia magnetica creado y diseñado por juan carlos aviles moran)




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http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES
http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm

             BYE   OVER UNITY   I  NO MORE COMEBACK HERE   NEVER MORE


                       THANKS   Dansway AND Jdo300 MY  FRIENDS HERE   BYE FOR EVER

Juan!

All anyone ever wants is the TRUTH.  Nothing more, nothing less.  ...just the truth.   ???

You want us to trust and believe you, then that requires YOU being truthful and honest.  GRACIAS!

Regards,

~Dan

Translation: Spanish » English
@moran

Perdone que se lo diga, pero usted esta actuando como un loco que necesita tratamiento.
Si de veras quiere pasar a la historia como un benefactor de la humanidad, actue con seriedad y no prosiga desacreditandose usted mismo.

Jesus   @ moran

Excuse me tell you, but you're acting like a madman who needs treatment.
If you really want to go down in history as a benefactor of mankind, acting seriously and not continue discredited yourself.

Jesus

Lol the reason why I quite talking to him is shown by his behavior here. This guy is only looking for his 5 mins of fame. That's the real "SECRET" lol.

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Hi All,

Ok.  I did yet another build of "Juan's" motor.  This time I glued the rotor as to Juan's new instructions (4 magnets on the rotor glued in repulsion).

At this time I get NO rotation.  That is ok as I have a few more ideas to try out before I give up.

Regards,

~Dan

@dansway

Good job!! It looks very well.
Nobody has been able to make the rotor spin.

Jesus

@Dansway

As usual you have done a great job at trying to replicate Juan's magnetic mill but unfortunately for us we aren't getting the whole clear building instructions from Juan   :-\ 

At one point when I translated Juan's information that was sent to Jdo300 in post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg132154#msg132154 it was mentioned that there was shielding involved:

DETAILS OF THEORETICAL DESIGN:
The MRU consists of an orbital rim or firmly attached to a base, the diameter of the ring is related proportionally to the size of the shields (ERM) who are predisposed unidirectional in its interior. This succession of shields must all be located in the direction of a single pole, negative or positive.

The magnetic propeller (HM), which revolves subject to its own axis inside the ring, consists of shields at the ends of magnets or face to face with almost rozándose shields predisposed to the hoop, to turn the propeller, the coats of inside the ring as of the end of the propeller must repel each other, ie signs repel them, starting immediately a force of repellency between the coats that make the propeller rotate in one direction, after this initial force begins A second phase of FC that as the size and weight of the shields at the ends of the propeller, will give an increase in revolutions or money orders. This, to provide a force of torque on the propeller shaft that is the resultant force we use to move any motor or dynamo electric generator, staying with the option to obtain a percentage of extra power when connected to return to ring and thereby induce them to the greatest force shields repellency. The MRU has the unique ability of its self-same energy and discharge it into higher energy repellency to the shields.

The MRU is not capable of generating electricity itself, but if you run through the magnetic repellency a mechanical movement which is to rotate its propeller getting a force of torque according to its size, purity and shields percentage of cargo downloading.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF THE MATERIALS
It is important to mention that the basic raw material of which shall be composed our shields reflectors repellents are the iron of high molecular density, some of them being the most suitable manganese steel or steel tuxteno, also known as iron ore stone imam (Fe3O4) as well as those arising from the magnetite.

Shields reflectors, must be manufactured from a high purity metal, to have more repellency when provoke the cascade of magnetic repellency.

This whole exercise is born engineer to apply the laws of physics, molecular and chemical properties that are subject to the materials of the MRU. The MRU emerges from a comparison with the water mill, we will make note that this device is a mill in which the flow of energy is not lost at any time but completely surrounds the mill, closing a circle that we call the infinite cascade Magnetic repellency, which is to be the fuel of the MRU.

Then in post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg132907#msg132907 Jdo300 cleared up the shielding issue in #8 where he stated that Juan had told him the following:

8. There is NO shielding used in the motor in the video. I have discussed this question with Juan several times and he made it clear that the ring and the rotor only have magnets. The mentioning of shielding was just a translation error.

So now in post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg138328#msg138328 and subsequent posts Juan goes on to describe THE NEED FOR SHIELDING as in "Magnetic insulation and pyrolytic graphite mumetal"

So it looks as if there is shielding on the rotor magnets after all  ::) 

There are still a couple of other things that Juan mentioned that don't agree with his video is that in this post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg138354#msg138354 he shows shielding in a U shape but in this post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg138355#msg138355 it appears to be a flat triangular shape  ???  Another thing is that he mentioned building his magnetic mill using ceramic magnets from a chess set but in the video and in Broli's post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg128794#msg128794 he mentions using neodymium magnets   ::)

So all this to say that you should probably try to use the best available shielding material on the rotor magnets  ;D

If the above quotes and posts aren't very clear it's because of the way Juan has presented/retracted and re-presented bits and pieces of information here and there and all over the place in this thread in a VERY confusing manner.  It would be best for him to start again and actually show a detailed build document without rambling about how great his invention is and then back it up with a better video of a working unit where he isn't moving the stator as in the Hamel spinner effect. 

Also, in post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5660.msg128711#msg128711 ChileanOne mentions "I asked him since when he has got this working, and said 1990! He says has a running unit 24/7 that he uses to charge truck batteries with an electric fan motor used as dynamo." .  Well all I have to say about this is that if Juan uses a bigger unit to charge truck batteries why didn't he show that one in the video instead of an awful video of a glorified Hamel spinner?

Anyways good luck to all who have the strength to continue to work with Juan  ;D

Regards,
Paul

the correct  position magnets in the  ring

my mill  work

the correct  position magnets in the  ring

my mill  work

Hi open Maind,

Can you show us a video of your working mill?

Thanks   Joe

Hi All,

It pains me to tell this story, but it is very relevant and important to this thread.

Before I get into this, let me say that Juan has always relayed in emails and in instant messaging to me, that his motor is very easy to build and to get running.

About 4 weeks ago I sent Juan a DHL shipment of neo and ceramic disc magnets, as well as 2 of my completed magnetic mill stator-rings (The pictures of these two rings are posted earlier in this thread).  The cost to ship this package was $70 USD and the cost of the materials that I sent to Juan was about $60 USD.  Juan had requested and agreed to receive these magnets and build me a functional Magnetic Mill and ship it back to me.  Since the day he has received my shipment, Juan has done nothing but stall and give excuses as to why he has not or cannot send me the promised working motor etc. 

Juan has promised many things including new clear pictures and video of his working motors and has broken every promise all the way down the long list.  I think it very strange that Juan in unable or unwilling to take and share clear pictures of his motor, or take and share new clearer video of one of his running motors and it goes on and on.

At this time I feel Juan Moran is NOT the inventor of this magnetic motor, but is a “village idiot” or “Court Jester” for someone who has really invented this motor.

At this time Juan shows no sign or willingness to make good on his numerous promises or return my property back to me!  I give you this WARNING:  JUAN MORAN IS A LAIR AND A THIEF!

DO NOT SEND JUAN ANY MONEY OR PROPERTY AND EXPECT TO GET IT BACK!

I ask the Spanish speaking members on this thread to copy and paste this story far and wide so that others will not be swindled by this lair and thief.

I and Jason Owens (jdo300) have been in extensive contact with Juan trying to replicate and help him as most of you probably know.  The childish behavior of Juan Moran is incredible and only ads to the frustration and problems I have had in trying to reason with him and request that he return my property.

I have shown a lot of good-will toward Juan and spent a lot of time and some money doing everything Juan has told us to do, and my patience is gone as I feel I’ve been played for a fool.

Sincerely,

~Dan

@dansway

The right word that describe you or what has happened to you in one sentence is: !!!You have been naive.!!!
Sorry for the situation you have gotten into!

Jesus

dansway,
sorry to hear that you've been cheated... A lesson learned? I don't think you'll get back any "input" made to mr. EL IEVE...

You obviously haven't read all the posts in this thread? I (and others) warned in the beginning, this concept of "magnetic motor" is one of the oldest ones, absolutely non-working, tested in *any* possible way,...etc...etc...

What made you think this is a real deal? The concept is widely known for at least 120 years, and there are countless (nonworking) variations, especially from the last few decades.... Even this OU.com page is full of it....

The "inventor" is ... OK, totally deluded... He is probably not a scammer, but He really thinks that He's about to change the World. You know, end of hunger, savior of humanity, God, ... ... ... ...
A classical "FE" wannabe with a few months of tinkering....  He actually doesn't know much about the stuff he mentioned.... That was a very obvious thing from the very first post made by him....

So, what have you been thinking?

my mill  work

Yes, "Your" (ROTFL) Mill definitely works... In your fantasy. Any kind of mechanical "modulation by an external input" makes it turn "indefinitely"...
But how can we, poor people, handle all the power being produced?

Shaking hands & sweet dreams! Gee, it always works!

I'm sure you're gonna provide a good video of that device of yours, showing a production of energy! Soon, eh?


You made a great favour to the "Overunity" cause...
Thank You Very Much !!

BTW, using a multiple forum handles / accounts usually means....

yes my mill work

Meanings: MRU Unit Repellency Magnetic; HM Magnetic Helix; Aro or Circle; Repellency Magnetic Shield ERM, CRM Waterfall Repellency Magnetic "

"The unit of magnetic repellency MRU created and designed by Juan Carlos Aviles Moran is the alternative means of generating electricity in a very economical the MRU is a mill or repellency magnetic power that turns the shaft of a dynamo. He was in 1980 that juan Carlos Avila moran develops uses magnetic fields between magnets magnified magnetic polarity.

the unit of magnetic repellency MRU mill or repellency magnetic MRM is an alternative to producing electricity and is very easy to build by giving a solution to the energy crisis worldwide, the MRU works with the same principles as a water mill (hydro - Electric) or wind (wind-power) but in the MRU the mill will move by magnetic force repellency (magnetorepelencia-electric)

Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency this is a unidirectional magnetic force repellency carried inside the rim of the unit of magnetic or repellency mill magnetic repellency, the cascade of magnetic repellency is nothing more than a trail of repellency by continuing where the magnets pass the rotor shaft of the MRU to be repelled by the ring magnets; cascade of such serious repellency magnetic energy shock of water in a windmill THE COMMON "

THIS IS A CORRECT POSITION DE MAGNETS IN THE RING

OK, this has gone far enough. It is one thing to have a debate and/or disagreance with people but it is another story once you start to openly slander someone. I can confirm what Dan has said about Juan and I have contacted Stefan to request that user "open maind" be banned and that this thread be locked.

It is pointless banter like that that gives this forum a bad name and as one who has been here since the start, I think everyone here will agree with me we've had enough of this.

God Bless,
Jason O

I agree!!!

hello    the correct position the magnets in the ring

Interesting though that this is from Juan Carlos Aviles Moran who discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency back in 1980!

Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency

molecular composition of artificial magnets or alloys (magnetic fields increased or magnified) = torsion strength and speed


Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency
Our purpose is the construction and implementation of the new system of alternative energy Repellency Magnetica Unit (MRU) this device) this device due to the simplicity of its structure, it is easy to construct giving a rapid response to the need energy, so limitless, clean and without consumption of other energy that does not come from the same operation.

The MRU was placed in first position on the other alternative means of generating energy, such as fossil fuels, biofuels and blends, the MRU does not pollute the environment, not to lay off toxic fumes, this device uses just two types of various combined forces, which are: the CRM (WATERFALL repellents MAGNETIC) and FC (CENTRIFUGAL FORCE).

Also this project is on the other alternative methods of clean energy such as solar, thermal, geothermal, hydroelectric, wind, marine engineering, and so on. These methods are subject to the variable weather conditions, wear of materials being subjected to extreme temperatures. The MRU has the ability to avoid the erosion of their own pieces, by creating a magnetic field repellency between its major pieces, extending its life by this condition.

DETAILS OF THEORETICAL DESIGN:
The MRU consists of an orbital rim or firmly attached to a base, the diameter of the ring is related proportionally to the size of the shields (ERM) who are predisposed unidirectional in its interior. This succession of shields must all be located in the direction of a single pole, negative or positive.

The magnetic propeller (HM), which revolves subject to its own axis inside the ring, consists of shields at the ends of magnets or face to face with almost rozándose shields predisposed to the hoop, to turn the propeller, the coats of inside the ring as of the end of the propeller must repel each other, ie signs repel them, starting immediately a force of repellency between the coats that make the propeller rotate in one direction, after this initial force begins A second phase of FC that as the size and weight of the shields at the ends of the propeller, will give an increase in revolutions or money orders. This, to provide a force of torque on the propeller shaft that is the resultant force we use to move any motor or dynamo electric generator, staying with the option to obtain a percentage of extra power when connected to return to ring and thereby induce them to the greatest force shields repellency. The MRU has the unique ability of its self-same energy and discharge it into higher energy repellency to the shields.

The MRU is not capable of generating electricity itself, but if you run through the magnetic repellency a mechanical movement which is to rotate its propeller getting a force of torque according to its size, purity and shields percentage of cargo downloading.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF THE MATERIALS
It is important to mention that the basic raw material of which shall be composed our shields reflectors repellents are the iron of high molecular density, some of them being the most suitable manganese steel or steel tuxteno, also known as iron ore stone imam (Fe3O4) as well as those arising from the magnetite.

Shields reflectors, must be manufactured from a high purity metal, to have more repellency when provoke the cascade of magnetic repellency.

This whole exercise is born engineer to apply the laws of physics, molecular and chemical properties that are subject to the materials of the MRU. The MRU emerges from a comparison with the water mill, we will make note that this device is a mill in which the flow of energy is not lost at any time but completely surrounds the mill, closing a circle that we call the infinite cascade Magnetic repellency, which is to be the fuel of the MRU.

Meanings: MRU Unit Repellency Magnetic; HM Magnetic Helix; Aro or Circle; Repellency Magnetic Shield ERM, CRM Waterfall Repellency Magnetic "

"The unit of magnetic repellency MRU created and designed by Juan Carlos Aviles Moran is the alternative means of generating electricity in a very economical the MRU is a mill or repellency magnetic power that turns the shaft of a dynamo. He was in 1980 that juan Carlos Avila moran develops uses magnetic fields between magnets magnified magnetic polarity.

the unit of magnetic repellency MRU mill or repellency magnetic MRM is an alternative to producing electricity and is very easy to build by giving a solution to the energy crisis worldwide, the MRU works with the same principles as a water mill (hydro - Electric) or wind (wind-power) but in the MRU the mill will move by magnetic force repellency (magnetorepelencia-electric)

Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency this is a unidirectional magnetic force repellency carried inside the rim of the unit of magnetic or repellency mill magnetic repellency, the cascade of magnetic repellency is nothing more than a trail of repellency by continuing where the magnets pass the rotor shaft of the MRU to be repelled by the ring magnets; cascade of such serious repellency magnetic energy shock of water in a windmill THE COMMON "

@moran

okay moran, you invented the magnetic mill.
keep doing your apportations to humanity!!!

jesus

Listen Juan,

You are wasting your time here posting the same information over and over again. The above posts have already been put here weeks ago and others have already tried and FAILED to reproduce your unit!

Unless you are planning to post a comprehensive tutorial showing step-by-step how to CONSTRUCT your motor, then you are wasting your time here. So please, if you want to continue posting, post only NEW, relevant TECHNICAL details of construction OR show a new demonstration video to show more details of the construction. Talk and theory are meaningless without results to back it all up!

God Bless,
Jason O

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IEVE is my god

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Interesting though that this is from Juan Carlos Aviles Moran who discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency back in 1980!

Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency

molecular composition of artificial magnets or alloys (magnetic fields increased or magnified) = torsion strength and speed


Exhibition of draft unit magnetic repellency
Our purpose is the construction and implementation of the new system of alternative energy Repellency Magnetica Unit (MRU) this device) this device due to the simplicity of its structure, it is easy to construct giving a rapid response to the need energy, so limitless, clean and without consumption of other energy that does not come from the same operation.

The MRU was placed in first position on the other alternative means of generating energy, such as fossil fuels, biofuels and blends, the MRU does not pollute the environment, not to lay off toxic fumes, this device uses just two types of various combined forces, which are: the CRM (WATERFALL repellents MAGNETIC) and FC (CENTRIFUGAL FORCE).

Also this project is on the other alternative methods of clean energy such as solar, thermal, geothermal, hydroelectric, wind, marine engineering, and so on. These methods are subject to the variable weather conditions, wear of materials being subjected to extreme temperatures. The MRU has the ability to avoid the erosion of their own pieces, by creating a magnetic field repellency between its major pieces, extending its life by this condition.

DETAILS OF THEORETICAL DESIGN:
The MRU consists of an orbital rim or firmly attached to a base, the diameter of the ring is related proportionally to the size of the shields (ERM) who are predisposed unidirectional in its interior. This succession of shields must all be located in the direction of a single pole, negative or positive.

The magnetic propeller (HM), which revolves subject to its own axis inside the ring, consists of shields at the ends of magnets or face to face with almost rozándose shields predisposed to the hoop, to turn the propeller, the coats of inside the ring as of the end of the propeller must repel each other, ie signs repel them, starting immediately a force of repellency between the coats that make the propeller rotate in one direction, after this initial force begins A second phase of FC that as the size and weight of the shields at the ends of the propeller, will give an increase in revolutions or money orders. This, to provide a force of torque on the propeller shaft that is the resultant force we use to move any motor or dynamo electric generator, staying with the option to obtain a percentage of extra power when connected to return to ring and thereby induce them to the greatest force shields repellency. The MRU has the unique ability of its self-same energy and discharge it into higher energy repellency to the shields.

The MRU is not capable of generating electricity itself, but if you run through the magnetic repellency a mechanical movement which is to rotate its propeller getting a force of torque according to its size, purity and shields percentage of cargo downloading.

CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF THE MATERIALS
It is important to mention that the basic raw material of which shall be composed our shields reflectors repellents are the iron of high molecular density, some of them being the most suitable manganese steel or steel tuxteno, also known as iron ore stone imam (Fe3O4) as well as those arising from the magnetite.

Shields reflectors, must be manufactured from a high purity metal, to have more repellency when provoke the cascade of magnetic repellency.

This whole exercise is born engineer to apply the laws of physics, molecular and chemical properties that are subject to the materials of the MRU. The MRU emerges from a comparison with the water mill, we will make note that this device is a mill in which the flow of energy is not lost at any time but completely surrounds the mill, closing a circle that we call the infinite cascade Magnetic repellency, which is to be the fuel of the MRU.

Meanings: MRU Unit Repellency Magnetic; HM Magnetic Helix; Aro or Circle; Repellency Magnetic Shield ERM, CRM Waterfall Repellency Magnetic "

"The unit of magnetic repellency MRU created and designed by Juan Carlos Aviles Moran is the alternative means of generating electricity in a very economical the MRU is a mill or repellency magnetic power that turns the shaft of a dynamo. He was in 1980 that juan Carlos Avila moran develops uses magnetic fields between magnets magnified magnetic polarity.

the unit of magnetic repellency MRU mill or repellency magnetic MRM is an alternative to producing electricity and is very easy to build by giving a solution to the energy crisis worldwide, the MRU works with the same principles as a water mill (hydro - Electric) or wind (wind-power) but in the MRU the mill will move by magnetic force repellency (magnetorepelencia-electric)

Juan Carlos Aviles Moran discovered the cascade of physical phenomenon called magnetic repellency this is a unidirectional magnetic force repellency carried inside the rim of the unit of magnetic or repellency mill magnetic repellency, the cascade of magnetic repellency is nothing more than a trail of repellency by continuing where the magnets pass the rotor shaft of the MRU to be repelled by the ring magnets; cascade of such serious repellency magnetic energy shock of water in a windmill THE COMMON "



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si se implementara el uso de la unidad de repelencia magnetica (sistema alternativo de generacion electrica ) las economias del mundo se verian beneficiadas creandose una nueva sociedad o sistema social al cual yo llamo la colonia. en la colonia la generacion y uso de energia electrica es gratis es decir una sociedad basada en la abundancia energetica y una sociedad con conciencia y racionalidad para entender que la humanidad debe coexistir en equilibrio con la naturaleza protegiendo al planeta tierra pacifica de cualquier abuso siendo las guerras y las hambrunas un recuerdo la miseria ya no existiria seria un mundo perfecto con las necesidades basicas solucionadas







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PARA QUE FUNCIONE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA O MAGNETIC MILL (MOLINO MAGNETICO) SE DEBEN AISLAR LOS LADOS Y BORDES  DE ATRACCION MAGNETICA EN LOS IMANES DEL EJE O ROTOR ESTO EVITARA LA DISTORCION MAGNETICA  Y ASI EL EJE NO SE FRENARA ASI MISMO.




use imanes circulares  o cuadrados de lo que se trata es tener una superficie amplia para que los choques entre campos magneticos de igual polaridad sean  efectivos.



recuerde  esto  fuerza de torsion y velocidad  de rotor =  aleacion de imanes artificiales / recubra o aisle bordes y lado de atraccion en imanes de rotor para asi evitar  la distorsion magnetica /

JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREADOR Y DISEÃ'ADOR DE LA UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA (MAGNETIC MILL)

( email manueljose_888@hotmail.com)





TODO SOBRE UNIDAD DE REPELENCIA MAGNETICA  (SISTEMA ALTERNATIVO DE GENERACION ELECTRICA MAGNETIC MILL - MOLINO MAGNETICO )    ENCUENTRELO AQUI :   

                    aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico  :            http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1090&Language=ES             http://www.oviedo.es/personales/carbon/grafito%20y%20fibras/grafito.htm
                                                               

 

Juan,

Su puestos no estan ayudando nadie aqui. Los solamente son sólo la causa que Usted parece ser un tonto y un lunático. Detener la publicación de esta tontería acerca de Dan y Extranjería. Usted está dañando su credability en este foro.

Además, todo el mundo sabe que las fotos que Usted publicaron no son de su haciendo. Los diseños y fotos no son consonancia uno a otro  y no en consonancia con lo que Usted han descrito!

En lugar de publicar más fotografías y verbage de las replicaciones que no-funcionales. PUBLICAR OTRO VIDEO DE UNO DE SUS MILLS MAGNETICOS QUE TRABAJO. Yo no parece que is a mucho pedir!

Translation:

Juan,

Your posts are not helping anyone here. They only just make you look like fool and a lunatic. Stop publishing this nonsense about Dan and Aliens. You are just hurting your credibility in this forum.

Besides, everyone knows that the photos you published are not of your making. The designs and photos are not even consistent with each other and not in line with what you have described!!

Instead of posting more pictures and verbage of the non-functional replications. POST ANOTHER VIDEO OF ONE OF YOUR MAGNETIC MILLS THAT ACTUALLY WORK. I do not think that is a lot to ask!!

- Jason O

Quote from: open maind on November 25, 2008, 07:54:18 AM
   
DAN LAROCHELLE   believe in aliens and people living in the moon

please stop spamming this forum

I find it sad that a topic that appeared to have some potential, based on a fuzzy video that stirred our imagination, by an inventor that seemed genuine, has been gutted almost beyond recovery.

The only thing that will give this topic life is a clear video of a successful build, sitting on a table with actual audio and NO HANDS in the video.

Otherwise, in my humble opinion, this thread is now complete and would best be considered closed.  I was one of those who had extensive communication with Juan, built several mills -- learning a lot of spanish on the journey.  And I've broadened my neo collection, so it wasn't all bad.

-Duane

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@moran

Eso se esta viendo bien!

That looks well !

Jesus

@open maind

Some members complained about you.

Please don´t use name calling and flame war over here
and please concentrate on the magnet motor work.

I deleted some of your aggressive messages versus Dan.

Please stay ontopic.

Many thanks for understanding.

MY NAME  IS JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREATOR AND DESIGNER OF THE  THE UNIT MAGNETIC REPELLENCE , MY INTEREST ONLY IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW THIS CAN BE BUILT  I DONT EXPECT MONEY FOR GIVEN THIS INFORMATION  I AM I NFAVOR OF THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES  AND PROTECT THE PLANET FROM THE CONTAMINATION .

MISTERStefan Hartmann, Moderator of overunity.com forum    I RESPECT YOUR FORUM AND THINK IT IS A GREAT OPORTUNITY TO SEND IDEAS ANN MANY LEARN HOW TO BUILT THE MAGNETIC REPELLECE UNIT  CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR FORUM AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET ME EXPLAIN MY INVENTION HERE



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MY NAME  IS JUAN CARLOS AVILES MORAN CREATOR AND DESIGNER OF THE  THE UNIT MAGNETIC REPELLENCE , MY INTEREST ONLY IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW THIS CAN BE BUILT  I DONT EXPECT MONEY FOR GIVEN THIS INFORMATION  I AM I NFAVOR OF THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES  AND PROTECT THE PLANET FROM THE CONTAMINATION .

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Shields reflectors, aislantes magneticos grafito pirolitico y mumetal ,   Î¼metal   

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Mu-metal is a nickel-iron alloy (75% nickel, 15% iron, plus copper and molybdenum) that has very high magnetic permeability. Permeability is represented by μ.

The high permeability makes mu-metal very effective at screening static or low-frequency magnetic fields, which cannot be attenuated by other methods.

Mu-metal requires special heat treatment â€" annealing in hydrogen atmosphere, which reportedly increases the magnetic permeability about 40 times. The annealing alters the material's crystal structure, aligning the grains and removing some impurities, especially carbon. Mechanical treatment may disrupt the material's grain alignment, leading to a drop in the permeability of the affected areas, which can be restored by repeating the hydrogen annealing step.

[edit] Uses and properties

Mu-metal is used to shield equipment from magnetic fields. For example:

    * Vacuum chambers for experiments with low-energy electrons, for example photoelectron spectroscopy
    * Magnetic resonance imaging equipment
    * The magnetometers used in magnetoencephalography and magnetocardiography
    * Photomultipliers
    * Cathode-ray tubes used in analogue oscilloscopes
    * Superconducting circuits and especially Josephson junction circuits
    * Electric power transformers, which are built with mu-metal shells to prevent them from affecting nearby circuitry
    * Magnetic cartridges, which have a mu-metal case to reduce interference when LPs are played back
    * Hard Drives, which have mu-metal backings to the magnets found in the drive

Other materials with similar magnetic properties are supermalloy, supermumetal, nilomag, sanbold, Molybdenum Permalloy, Sendust, M-1040, Hipernom, HyMu-80, etc.

Juan,

Dado que Usted seguir hablando sobre el uso de materiales por escudos magneticos, ¿Por qué no nos muestran los escudos magneticos de SU molino magnético. Si estás tan interesado en ayudar a nosotros, entonces nos muestran el modelo que USTED han construido de manera que las personas aqui pueden reproducir. No más diagramas o fotografías de otros pueblos unidades de no-trabajo! Ya tenemos toda la información técnica que ha publicado en este foro por lo que no es necesario repetir el mismo información otra vez más y más! Sólo nos muestran más de el motor USTED demostrado en SU video de YouTube! Eso es todo lo que pedimos ...

Mostras mas de SU molino magnético! No más de los molinas magnéticas de otros personas!

Translation:

Since you keep talking about using shielding. Why don't you show us the shields on YOUR specific magnetic mill. If you are so interested in helping us, then show us the model YOU have built so that people can replicate it. Not diagrams or photos of other peoples' non-working units! We already have all the technical information you have posted on this thread so we don't need any more repeat information! Just show us more of the motor that YOU demonstrated in YOUR YouTube video! That is all we ask...

Show more of YOUR Magnetic motor. No more of the magnetic motors of other people!

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason,

This motor does not belong to Juan Moran.  Juan has not produced any proof that it belongs to him.  That much is obvious.
Juan Moran cannot produce a clear picture, video or anything new other than the very bad quality youtube video we have already seen.
Most of the presented drawings and ALL of the pictures/photos that Juan has posted here are from other people.

This thread should be locked and Juan Moran banned from this forum.

~Dan

Unidad de repelencia magnetica (U.R.M) o Molino de repelencia magnetica (M.R.M)
La unidad de repelencia magnetica U.R.M creada y diseñada por juan carlos Aviles Moran es el medio alternativo de generar electricidad de manera muy economica la U.R.M es un molino de repelencia magnetica que potencia o hace girar el eje de un dinamo. Fue en 1980 que juan carlos aviles moran desarrolla los usos de campos magneticos magnificados entre imanes de misma polaridad magnetica.
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran creador y diseñador de la unidad de repelencia magnetica
la unidad de repelencia magnetica u.r.m o molino de repelencia magnetica m.r.m es un sistema alternativo de producir energia electrica y es muy facil de construir dando una solucion a la crisis energetica mundial; la u.r.m funciona con los mismos principios que un molino de agua (hidro-electrica) o de viento (eolica-electrica) pero en la u.r.m el molino se movera por fuerza de repelencia magnetica (magnetorepelencia-electrica)

El fenomeno fisico Cascada de repelencia magnetica es la energia del futuro
Juan Carlos Aviles Moran descubre el fenomeno fisico llamado cascada de repelencia magnetica este consiste en una fuerza de repelencia magnetica unidireccionalmente encausada dentro del aro de la unidad de repelencia magnetica o molino de repelencia magnetica; la cascada de repelencia magnetica no es mas que un sendero de repelencia continua por donde transitan los imanes del eje rotor de la U.R.M al ser repelidos por los imanes del aro; cascada de repelencia magnetica seria por ejemplo la energia de choque del agua en un molino comun
Los imanes pueden ser naturales o artificiales; o bien, permanentes o temporales.
Un imán natural es un mineral con propiedades magnéticas. Tal es el caso de la magnetita, que es un óxido de hierro (Fe3O4).
Un imán artificial es un cuerpo de material ferromagnético al que se ha comunicado la propiedad del magnetismo, ya sea mediante frotamiento con un imán natural o por la acción de corrientes eléctricas aplicadas en forma conveniente (electroimanación).
Un imán permanente está fabricado en acero imanado (hierro con un alto contenido en carbono), lo que hace que conserve su poder magnético. También se emplea alnico en algunos casos. Sin embargo, una fuerte carga eléctrica, un impacto de gran magnitud, o la aplicación de una elevada cantidad de calor, puede causar que el imán pierda su fuerza actuante, aunque en el caso de aplicar una fuerte cantidad de calor dicha perdida es temporal puesto que al enfriarse volverian todas sus propiedades.
Un imán temporal pierde sus propiedades una vez que cesa la causa que provoca el magnetismo. Dichos imanes están fabricados en hierro dulce (con un contenido muy bajo en carbono).
Un electroimán es una bobina (en el caso mínimo, una espira) por la que circula corriente eléctrica. Esto genera un campo magnético isomórfico al de un imán de barra que imanta el metal. Un electroimán es un caso particular de un imán temporal.


Magnetismo [editar]
Artículo principal: Magnetismo
Los fenómenos magnéticos fueron conocidos por los antiguos griegos. Se dice que por primera vez se observaron en la ciudad de "Magnesia" en Asia Menor, de ahí el término magnetismo. Sabían que ciertas piedras atraían el hierro y que los trocitos de hierro atraídos, atraían a su vez a otros. Estas se denominaron imanes naturales.
Fue Oersted quien evidenció en 1820 por primera vez que una corriente genera un campo magnético a su alrededor. En el interior de la materia existen pequeñas corrientes cerradas al movimiento de los electrones que contienen los átomos; cada una de ellas origina un microscópico imán. Cuando estos pequeños imanes están orientados en todas direcciones sus efectos se anulan mutuamente y el material no presenta propiedades magnéticas; y en cambio, si todos los imanes se alinean, actúan como un único imán y en ese caso decimos que la sustancia se ha magnetizado.


Polos magnéticos [editar]


Líneas de fuerza de un imán, visualizadas mediante limaduras de hierro extendidas sobre una cartulina.
Tanto si se trata de un tipo de imán como de otro, la máxima fuerza de atracción se halla en sus extremos, llamados polos. Un imán consta de dos polos, denominados polo norte y polo sur. Los polos iguales se repelen y los polos distintos se atraen. No existen polos aislados (monopolo magnético), y por lo tanto, si un imán se rompe en dos partes, se forman dos nuevos imanes, cada uno con su polo norte y su polo sur, aunque la fuerza de atracción del imán disminuye.
Entre ambos polos se crean líneas de fuerza, siendo estas líneas cerradas, por lo que en el interior del imán también van de un polo al otro. Como se muestra en la figura, pueden ser visualizadas esparciendo limaduras de hierro sobre una cartulina situada encima de una barra imantada; golpeando suavemente la cartulina, las limaduras se orientan en la dirección de las líneas de fuerza.

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Líneas de fuerza magnéticas de un imán de barra, producidas por limaduras de hierro sobre papel.
En física, el magnetismo es un fenómeno por el que los materiales ejercen fuerzas de atracción o repulsión a otros materiales. Hay algunos materiales conocidos que han presentado propiedades magnéticas detectables fácilmente como el níquel, hierro y sus aleaciones que comúnmente se llaman imanes. Sin embargo todos los materiales son influenciados, de mayor o menor forma, por la presencia de un campo magnético.
También el magnetismo tiene otras manifestaciones en física, particularmente como uno de los dos componentes de la onda electromagnética, como por ejemplo la luz.
Contenido
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1 Pequeña explicación del magnetismo
2 Historia
3 La física del magnetismo
3.1 Magnetismo, electricidad y relatividad especial
3.2 Campos y fuerzas magneticas
3.3 Dipolos magnéticos
3.4 Dipolos magnéticos atómicos
3.4.1 Clasificación de los Materiales Magnéticos
3.5 Monopolos magnéticos
4 Tipos de materiales magnéticos
4.1 Electromagnetos
4.2 Magnetos temporales y permanentes
5 Unidades
5.1 Unidades del SI relacionadas con el magnetismo
5.2 Otras unidades
6 Referencias
7 Véase también
8 Enlaces externos



Pequeña explicación del magnetismo [editar]
Cada electrón es, por su naturaleza, un pequeño imán (véase Momento dipolar magnético electrónico). Ordinariamente, innumerables electrones de un material están orientados aleatoriamente en diferentes direcciones, pero en un imán casi todos los electrones tienden a orientarse en la misma dirección, creando una fuerza magnética grande o pequeña dependiendo del número de electrones que estén orientados.
Además del campo magnético intrínseco del electrón, algunas veces hay que contar también con el campo magnético debido al movimiento orbital del electrón alrededor del núcleo. Este efecto es análogo al campo generado por una corriente eléctrica circulando por una bobina (ver dipolo magnético). De nuevo, en general, el movimiento de los electrones no da lugar a un campo magnético en el material, pero en ciertas condiciones, los movimientos pueden alinearse y producir un campo magnético total medible.
El comportamiento magnético de un material puede variar enormemente, dependiendo de la estructura del material, y particularmente de la configuración electrónica.


Historia [editar]
Los fenómenos magnéticos fueron conocidos por los antiguos griegos. Se dice que por primera vez se observaron en la ciudad de "Magnesia" en Asia Menor, de ahí el término magnetismo. Sabían que ciertas piedras atraían el hierro y que los trocitos de hierro atraídos, atraían a su vez a otros. Estas se denominaron imanes naturales.
El primer filosofo que estudio el fenómeno del magnetismo fue Tales de Mileto, filósofo griego que vivió entre 625 a. C. y 545 a. C.[1] En China, la primera referencia a este fenómeno se encuentra en un manuscrito del siglo IV a. C. titulado Libro del amo del valle del diablo: «La magnetita atrae al hierro hacia sí o es atraída por éste».[2] La primera mención sobre la atracción de una aguja aparece en un trabajo realizado entre los años 20 y 100 de nuestra era: «La magnetita atrae a la aguja».
El científico Shen Kua (1031-1095) escribió sobre la brújula de aguja magnética y mejoró la precisión en la navegación empleando el concepto astronómico del norte absoluto. Hacia el siglo XII los chinos ya habían desarrollado la técnica lo suficiente como para utilizar la brújula para mejorar la navegación. Alexander Neckham fue el primer europeo en conseguir desarrollar esta técnica, en 1187.
El conocimiento del magnetismo se mantuvo limitado a los imanes, hasta que en 1820, Hans Christian Ørsted profesor de la Universidad de Copenhague, descubrió que un hilo conductor sobre el que circulaba una corriente ejercía una perturbación magnética a su alrededor, que llegaba a poder mover una aguja magnética situada en ese entorno.[3] Muchos otros experimentos siguieron, con André-Marie Ampère, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Michael Faraday y otros que encontraron vínculos entre el magnetismo y la electricidad. James Clerk Maxwell sintetizó y explicó estas observaciones en sus ecuaciones de Maxwell. Unificó el magnetismo y la electricidad en un solo campo, el electromagnetismo. En 1905, Einstein uso estas leyes para comprobar su teoría de la relatividad especial,[4] en el proceso mostró que la electricidad y el magnetismo estaban fundamentalmente vinculadas.
El Electromagnetismo continuó desarrollándose en el siglo XX, siendo incorporada en las teorías más fundamentales como la Teoría de campo de gauge, electrodinámica cuántica, teoría electrodébil y finalmente en el modelo estándar.


La física del magnetismo [editar]


Magnetismo, electricidad y relatividad especial [editar]
Artículo principal: Electromagnetismo
Como consecuencia de la teoría de la relatividad especial de Einstein, la electricidad y el magnetismo estaban comprendidas como vinculantes. Tanto el magnetismo sin la electricidad como la electricidad sin magnetismo serían inconsistentes con la nueva teoría por los efectos como la contracción de la longitud, la dilatación del tiempo y la dependencia de la velocidad en el campo magnético. Sin embargo cuando ambas fueron tomadas en cuenta, la reciente teoría del electromagnetismo fue totalmente consistente con la relatividad.[5] En particular, un fenómeno que parece como eléctrico para un observador puede parecer magnético para otro, o más generalmente las contribuciones generales de la electricidad y el magnetismo son dependientes del marco de referencia.
Entonces, la "mezcla" de la relatividad especial entre electricidad y magnetismo en una sola dio un fenómeno inseparable llamado electromagnetismo (analogo a lo que la misma teoría "mezcló" al tiempo con el espacio en el espacio-tiempo).


Campos y fuerzas magneticas [editar]
Artículo principal: campo magnético
El fenómeno del magnetismo es ejercido por un campo magnético, p.e. una corriente eléctrica o un dipolo magnético crea un campo magnético, éste al girar imparte una fuerza magnética a otras partículas que están en el campo.
Para una aproximación excelente (pero ignorando algunos efectos cuánticos (véase electrodinámica cuántica) las ecuaciones de Maxwell (que simplifican la ley de Biot-Savart en el caso de corriente constante) describen el origen y el comportamiento de los campos que gobiernan esas fuerzas. Por lo tanto el magnetismo se observa siempre que partículas cargadas electricamente están en movimiento. Por ejemplo, del movimiento de electrones en una corriente eléctrica o en casos del movimiento orbital de los electrones alrededor del núcleo atómico. Estas también aparecen de un dipolo magnético intrínseco que aparece de los efectos cuánticos, p.e. del spin de la mecánica cuántica.
La misma situación que crea campos magnéticos (carga en movimiento en una corriente o en un átomo y dipolos magnéticos intrínsecos) son también situaciones en que el campo magnético causa sus efectos, creando una fuerza. Cuando una partícula cargada se mueve a través de un campo magnético B, se ejerce una fuerza F dado por el producto cruz:


donde  es la carga eléctrica de la partícula,  es el vector velocidad de la partícula y  es el campo magnético. Debido a que esto es un producto cruz, la fuerza es perpendicular al movimiento de la partícula y al campo magnético.
La fuerza magnética no realiza trabajo mecánico en la partícula, esto cambiaría la dirección del movimiento de ésta, pero esto no causa su aumento o disminución de la velocidad. La magnitud de la fuerza es : donde  es el ángulo entre los vectores  y .`
Una herramienta para determinar la dirección del vector velocidad de una carga en movimiento, es siguiendo la ley de la mano derecha (véase Regla de la mano derecha).
El físico alemán Heinrich Lenz formuló lo que ahora se denomina la ley de Lenz, ésta da una dirección de la fuerza electromotriz (fem) y la corriente resultante de una inducción electromagnética.


Dipolos magnéticos [editar]
Artículo principal: dipolo magnético
Se puede ver una muy común fuente de campo magnético en la naturaleza, un dipolo. Éste tiene un "polo sur" y un "polo norte", sus nombres se deben a que antes se usaban los magnetos como brújulas, que interactuaban con el campo magnético terrestre, para indicar el norte y el sur del globo.
Un campo magnético contiene energía y sistemas físicos que se estabilizan con configuraciones de menor energía. Por lo tanto, cuando se encuentra en un campo magnético, un dipolo magnético tiende a alinearse solo con una polaridad diferente a la del campo, lo que cancela al campo lo máximo posible y disminuye la energía recolectada en el campo al mínimo. Por ejemplo, dos barras magnéticas idénticas pueden estar una a lado de otra normalmente alineadas de norte a sur, resultando en un campo magnético más pequeño y resiste cualquier intento de reorientar todos sus puntos en una misma dirección. La energía requerida para reorientarlos en esa configuración es entonces recolectada en el campo magnético resultante, que es el doble de la magnitud del campo de un magneto individual. (Esto es porque un magneto usado como compás interactúa con el campo magnético terrestre para indicar Norte y Sur)
Una alternativa formulada, equivalente, que es fácil de aplicar pero ofrece una menor visión, es que un dipolo magnético en un campo magnético experimenta un torque y una fuerza que puede ser expresada en términos de un campo y de la magnitud del dipolo (p.e. sería el momento magnético dipolar). Para ver estas ecuaciones véase dipolo magnético.


Dipolos magnéticos atómicos [editar]
La causa física del magnetismo en los cuerpos, distinto a la corriente eléctrica, es por los dipolos atómicos magnéticos. Dipolos magnéticos o momentos magnéticos, en escala atómica resultan de dos tipos diferentes del movimiento de electrones. El primero es el movimiento orbital del electrón sobre su núcleo atómico; este movimiento puede ser considerado como una corriente de bucles, resultando en el momento dipolar magnético del orbital. La segunda, más fuerte, fuente de momento electrónico magnético es debido a las propiedades cuánticas llamadas momento de spin del dipolo magnético (aunque la teoría mecánica cuántica actual dice que los electrones no giran físicamente, ni orbitan el núcleo).

El momento magnético general de un átomo es la suma neta de todos los momentos magnéticos de los electrones individuales. Por la tendencia de los dipolos magnéticos a oponerse entre ellos se reduce la energía neta, en un átomo los momentos magnéticos opuestos de algunos pares de electrones se cancelan entre ellos, ambos en un movimiento orbital y en momentos magnéticos de spin. Así, en el caso de un átomo con orbitales electrónicos o suborbitales electrónicos completamente llenos, el momento magnético normalmente se cancela completamente entre ellos y solo los átomos con orbitales electrónicos semillenos tienen un momento magnético, su fuerza depende del numero de electrones impares.
La diferencia en la configuración de los electrones en varios elementos determina la naturaleza y magnitud de los momentos atómicos magnéticos, lo que a su vez determina la diferencia entre las propiedades magnéticas de varios materiales. Existen muchas formas de comportamiento magnético o tipos de magnetismo: el ferromagnetismo, el diamagnetismo y el paramagnetismo; esto se debe precisamente a las propiedades magnéticas de los materiales, por eso se ha estipulado una clasificación respectiva de estos, según su comportamiento ante un campo magnético inducido, como sigue:


Clasificación de los Materiales Magnéticos [editar]
Tipo de Material Características
No magnético No facilita o permite el paso de las líneas de Campo magnético.
Ejemplo: el Vacío.
Diamagnético Material débilmente magnético. Si se sitúa una barra magnética cerca de él, esta lo repele.
Ejemplo: Bismuto (Bi), Plata (Ag), Plomo (Pb), Agua.
Paramagnético
Presenta un magnetismo significativo. Atraído por la barra magnética.
Ejemplo: Aire, Aluminio (Al), Paladio (Pd), Magneto Molecular.
Ferromagnético Magnético por excelencia o fuertemente magnético. Atraído por la barra magnética.
Paramagnético por encima de la temperatura de Curie
(La temperatura de Curie del hierro metálico es aproximadamente unos 770 °C).
Ejemplo: Hierro (Fe), Cobalto (Co), Níquel (Ni), Acero suave.
Antiferromagnético No magnético aun bajo acción de un campo magnético inducido.
Ejemplo: Ã"xido de Manganeso (MnO2).
Ferrimagnético Menor grado magnético que los materiales ferromagnéticos.
Ejemplo: Ferrita de Hierro.
Superparamagnético Materiales ferromagnéticos suspendidos en una matriz dieléctrica.
Ejemplo: Materiales utilizados en cintas de audio y video.
Ferritas Ferrimagnético de baja conductividad eléctrica.
Ejemplo: Utilizado como núcleo inductores para aplicaciones de corriente alterna.



Monopolos magnéticos [editar]
Monopolos magnéticos, puesto que un imán de barra obtiene su ferromagnetismo de los electrones magneticos microscópicos distribuídos uniformemente a través del imán, cuando un imán es partido a la mitad cada una de las piezas resultantes es un imán más pequeño. Aunque se dice que un imán tiene un polo norte y un polo sur, estos dos polos no pueden separarse el uno del otro.Un monopolo - si tal cosa existe -sería una nueva clase fundamentalmente diferente de objeto magnético. Actuaría como un polo norte aislado, no atado a un polo sur, o viceversa. Los monopolos llevarían "carga magnética" análoga a la carga eléctrica. A pesar de búsquedas sistemáticas a partir de 1931 (como la de 2006), nunca han sido observadas, y muy bien podrían no existir.(ref). Milton menciona algunos eventos no concluyentes (p.60) y aún concluye que "no ha sobrevivido en absoluto ninguna evidencia de monopolos magnéticos".(p.3)


Tipos de materiales magnéticos [editar]
Existen diversos tipos de comportamiento de los materiales magnéticos: el ferromagnetismo, el diamagnetismo y el paramagnetismo.
En los materiales diamagnéticos, la disposición de los electrones de cada átomo es tal que se produce una anulación global de los efectos magnéticos. Sin embargo, si el material se introduce en un campo inducido, la sustancia adquiere una imantación débil y en el sentido opuesto al campo inductor.
Si se sitúa una barra de material diamagnético en el interior de un campo magnético uniforme e intenso, esta se dispone transversalmente respecto de aquel.
Los materiales paramagnéticos no presentan la anulación global de efectos magnéticos, por lo que cada átomo que los constituye actúa como un pequeño imán. Sin embargo, la orientación de dichos imanes es, en general arbitraria, y el efecto global se anula.
Así mismo, si el material paramagnético se somete a la acción de un campo magnético inductor, el campo magnético inducido en dicha sustancia se orienta en el sentido del campo magnético inductor.
Esto hace que una barra de material paramagnético suspendida libremente en el seno de un campo inductor, se alinee con este.
El magnetismo inducido, aunque débil, es suficiente intenso como para imponer al efecto magnético. Para comparar los tres tipos de magnetismo se emplea la razón entre el campo magnético inducido y el inductor.


Electromagnetos [editar]
Un electroimán es un imán hecho de alambre eléctrico herida en torno a un material magnético, como el hierro. Este tipo de imán es útil en los casos en que un imán debe estar encendido o apagado, por ejemplo, los grandes grúa s para levantar junked automóviles.
Para el caso de corriente eléctrica se desplazan a través de un cable, el campo resultante se dirige de acuerdo con la "mano derecha regla." Si la mano derecha se utiliza como un modelo, y el pulgar de la mano derecha a lo largo de el cable de positivo hacia el lado negativo ( "convencional actual", a la inversa de la dirección del movimiento real de los electrones), entonces el campo magnético recapitulación de todo el cable en la dirección indicada por los dedos de la mano derecha. Como puede observarse geométricamente, en caso de un bucle o hélice de cable está formado de tal manera que el actual es viajar en un círculo, a continuación, todas las líneas de campo en el centro del bucle se dirigen a la misma dirección, lo que arroja un 'magnética dipolo ' cuya fuerza depende de la actual en todo el bucle, o el actual en la hélice multiplicado por el número de vueltas de alambre. En el caso de ese bucle, si los dedos de la mano derecha se dirigen en la dirección del flujo de corriente convencional (es decir, el positivo y el negativo, la dirección opuesta al flujo real de los electrones), el pulgar apuntará en la dirección correspondiente al polo norte del dipolo. -->


Magnetos temporales y permanentes [editar]
Un imán permanente conserva su magnetismo sin un campo magnético exterior, mientras que un imán temporal sólo es magnético, mientras que esté situado en otro campo magnético. Inducir el magnetismo del acero en los resultados en un imán permanente sino de hierro pierde su magnetismo cuando la inducción de campo se retira. Un imán temporal como el hierro es un material adecuado para los electroimanes. Magnets son hechas por acariciar con otro imán, la grabación, mientras que fija en un campo magnético opuesta dentro de una solenoide bobina se suministra con una corriente directa. Un imán permanente puede ser la remoción de los imanes de someter a la calefacción, fuertes golpes o, colocarlo dentro de un solenoide se suministra con una reducción de corriente alterna.


Unidades [editar]
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Unidades del SI relacionadas con el magnetismo [editar]
Tesla [T] = unidad de campo magnetico
Weber [Wb] = unidad de flujo magnetico
Ampere [A] = unidad de corriente electrica, que genera campos magneticos


Otras unidades [editar]
gauss-El gauss ", abreviado como G, es el CGS unidad de flujo magnético densidad o inducción magnética ( 'B).
Oersted-El 'oersted' es el CGS unidad de campo magnético.
Maxwell, es el CGS la unidad de flujo magnético.
Μo, símbolo común para el permeabilidad de espacio libre (4 π x10 -7 N / (amperios-vuelta) 2).


Referencias [editar]
â†' Historical Beginnings of Theories of Electricity and Magnetism (en inglés). Consultado el 31/05/2007.
â†' Li Shu-hua, “Origine de la Boussole 11. Aimant et Boussole,” Isis, Vol. 45, No. 2. (Jul., 1954), p.175
â†' Historia de la física
â†' A. Einstein: "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", June 30, 1905. http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/.
â†' Griffiths, David J. (1998). Introduction to Electrodynamics, 3rd ed., Prentice Hall. ISBN 0-13-805326-X. , chapter 12


Véase también [editar]
Campo magnético
Electromagnetismo
Detectores de billetes falsos por magnetismo




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Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, Online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, and file sharing network spam.

Spamming remains economically viable because advertisers have no operating costs beyond the management of their mailing lists, and it is difficult to hold senders accountable for their mass mailings. Because the barrier to entry is so low, spammers are numerous, and the volume of unsolicited mail has become very high. The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and by Internet service providers, which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge. Spamming is widely reviled, and has been the subject of legislation in many jurisdictions.[citation needed]

Persons who create electronic spam are called spammers.[1]
Contents
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    * 1 Spamming in different media
          o 1.1 E-mail spam
          o 1.2 Instant Messaging Spam
          o 1.3 Newsgroup spam and forum spam
          o 1.4 Mobile phone spam
          o 1.5 Online game messaging spam
          o 1.6 Spam targeting search engines (spamdexing)
          o 1.7 Blog, wiki, and guestbook spam
          o 1.8 Spam targeting video sharing sites
    * 2 Noncommercial spam
    * 3 Geographical origins of spams
    * 4 History
          o 4.1 Pre-Internet spam
          o 4.2 Origin of the term "spam"
          o 4.3 History of Internet "spam"
    * 5 Trademark issues
    * 6 Costs of spam
          o 6.1 General costs of spam
    * 7 In crime
    * 8 Political issues
    * 9 Court cases
          o 9.1 United States
          o 9.2 United Kingdom
          o 9.3 New Zealand
    * 10 Newsgroups
    * 11 See also
          o 11.1 History
    * 12 References
    * 13 External links

[edit] Spamming in different media

[edit] E-mail spam

    Main article: E-mail spam

E-mail spam, known as unsolicited bulk Email (UBE) or unsolicited commercial email (UCE), is the practice of sending unwanted e-mail messages, frequently with commercial content, in large quantities to an indiscriminate set of recipients.

Spam in e-mail started to become a problem when the Internet was opened up to the general public in the mid-1990s. It grew exponentially over the following years, and today comprises some 80 to 85% of all the email in the world, by conservative estimate;[2] some sources go as high as 95%.[who?]

Pressure to make e-mail spam illegal has been successful in some jurisdictions, but less so in others. Spammers take advantage of this fact, and frequently outsource parts of their operations to countries where spamming will not get them into legal trouble.

Increasingly, e-mail spam today is sent via "zombie networks", networks of virus- or worm-infected personal computers in homes and offices around the globe; many modern worms install a backdoor which allows the spammer access to the computer and use it for malicious purposes. This complicates attempts to control the spread of spam, as in many cases the spam doesn't even originate from the spammer. At the same time, it is becoming clear that malware authors, spammers, and phishers are learning from each other, and possibly forming various kinds of partnerships.[citation needed]

E-mail is an extremely cheap mass medium, and professional spammers have automated their processes to the extent that millions of messages can be sent daily with little or no labor costs. Thus, spamming can be very profitable even at what would otherwise be considered extremely low response rates.

An industry of e-mail address harvesting is dedicated to collecting email addresses and selling compiled databases.[3] Some of these address harvesting approaches rely on users not reading the fine print of agreements, resulting in them agreeing to send messages indiscriminately to their contacts. This is a common approach in social networking spam

[edit] Instant Messaging Spam
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    Main article: Messaging spam

Instant Messaging spam, sometimes termed spim (a portmanteau of spam and IM, short for instant messenger), makes use of instant messaging systems, such as AOL Instant Messenger,Xfire,ICQ,Yahoo messenger or Windows Live Messenger. Many IM systems offer a user directory, including demographic information that allows an advertiser to gather the information, sign on to the system, and send unsolicited messages. To send instant messages to millions of users requires scriptable software and the recipients' IM usernames. Spammers have similarly targeted Internet Relay Chat channels, using IRC bots that join channels and bombard them with advertising.

Messenger service spam has lent itself to spammer use in a particularly circular scheme. In many cases, messenger spammers send messages to vulnerable machines consisting of text like "Annoyed by these messages? Visit this site." The link leads to a Web site where, for a fee, users are told how to disable the Windows messenger service. Though the messenger service is easily disabled for free, the scam works because it creates a perceived need and offers a solution. Often the only "annoying messages" the user receives through Messenger are ads to disable Messenger itself. It is often using a false ID to get money or credit card numbers.

[edit] Newsgroup spam and forum spam

    Main article: Newsgroup spam
    Main article: Forum spam

[edit] Mobile phone spam

    Main article: Mobile phone spam

Mobile phone spam is directed at the text messaging service of a mobile phone. This can be especially irritating to customers not only for the inconvenience but also because of the fee they may be charged per text message received in some markets. The term "SpaSMS" was coined at the adnews website Adland in 2000 to describe spam SMS.

[edit] Online game messaging spam

Many online games allow players to contact each other via player-to-player messaging, chatrooms, or public discussion areas. What qualifies as spam varies from game to game, but usually this term applies to all forms of message flooding, violating the terms of service contract for the website.

[edit] Spam targeting search engines (spamdexing)

    Main article: Spamdexing

Spamdexing (a portmanteau of spamming and indexing) refers to the practice on the World Wide Web of modifying HTML pages to increase the chances of them being placed high on search engine relevancy lists. These sites use "black hat search engine optimization techniques" to unfairly increase their rank in search engines. Many modern search engines modified their search algorithms to try to exclude web pages utilizing spamdexing tactics.

[edit] Blog, wiki, and guestbook spam

    Main article: Spam in blogs

Blog spam, or "blam" for short, is spamming on weblogs. In 2003, this type of spam took advantage of the open nature of comments in the blogging software Movable Type by repeatedly placing comments to various blog posts that provided nothing more than a link to the spammer's commercial web site.[4] Similar attacks are often performed against wikis and guestbooks, both of which accept user contributions.

[edit] Spam targeting video sharing sites

Video sharing sites, such as YouTube, are now being frequently targeted by spammers. The most common technique involves people (or spambots) posting links to sites, most likely pornographic or dealing with online dating, on the comments section of random videos or people's profiles.

Another frequently used technique is using bots to post messages on random users' profiles to a spam account's channel page, along with enticing text and images, usually of a suggestive nature. These pages may include their own or other users' videos, again often suggestive. The main purpose of these accounts is to draw people to their link in the home page section of their profile.

YouTube has blocked the posting of links but people can still manage to get their message across by replacing all instances of a period with the word "dot." For instance, typing out example dot com instead of example.com bypasses the filter set in place. In addition, YouTube has implemented a CAPTCHA system that makes rapid posting of repeated comments much more difficult than before, because of abuse in the past by mass-spammers who would flood people's profiles with thousands of repetitive comments.

Yet another kind is actual video spam, giving the uploaded movie a name and description with a popular figure or event which is likely to draw attention, or within the video has a certain image timed to come up as the video's thumbnail image to mislead the viewer. The actual content of the video ends up being totally unrelated, sometimes offensive, or just features on-screen text of a link to the site being promoted.

Others may upload videos presented in an infomercial-like format selling their product which feature actors and paid testimonials, though the promoted product or service is of dubious quality and would likely not pass the scrutiny of a standards and practices department at a television station or cable network.

[edit] Noncommercial spam

E-mail and other forms of spamming have been used for purposes other than advertisements. Many early Usenet spams were religious or political. Serdar Argic, for instance, spammed Usenet with historical revisionist screeds. A number of evangelists have spammed Usenet and e-mail media with preaching messages. A growing number of criminals are also using spam to perpetrate various sorts of fraud,[5] and in some cases have used it to lure people to locations where they have been kidnapped, held for ransom, and even murdered.[6]

[edit] Geographical origins of spams

Experts from SophosLabs analysed spam messages which were caught by some companies' spam filters, these being a part of the Sophos global spam monitoring network. They found that during the third quarter of 2007 the USA was the leader in the number of spam messages around the world. According to Sophos experts 28.4% of global spam comes from the U.S. The second place in the list of spammer-countries is South Korea, bringing 5.2% of global spam.

The list of top 12 countries that spread spam around the globe is presented below:

   1. USA: 28.4%;
   2. South Korea: 5.2%;
   3. China (including Hong Kong): 4.9%;
   4. Russia: 4.4%;
   5. Brazil: 3.7%;
   6. France: 3.6%;
   7. Germany: 3.4%;
   8. Turkey: 3.%;
   9. Poland: 2.7%;
  10. Great Britain: 2.4%;
  11. Romania: 2.3%;
  12. Mexico: 1.9%;

    * Other countries: 33.9%[7]

[edit] History

[edit] Pre-Internet spam

In the late 19th Century Western Union allowed telegraphic messages on its network to be sent to multiple destinations. The first recorded instance of a mass unsolicited commercial telegram is from May 1864.[8] Up until the Great Depression wealthy North American residents would be deluged with nebulous investment offers. This problem never fully emerged in Europe to the degree that it did in the Americas, because telegraphy was regulated by national post offices in the European region.

[edit] Origin of the term "spam"

It is widely believed the term spam is derived from the 1970 SPAM sketch of the BBC television comedy series "Monty Python's Flying Circus".[9]

The sketch is set in a cafe where nearly every item on the menu includes SPAM luncheon meat. As the waiter recites the SPAM-filled menu, a chorus of Viking patrons drowns out all conversations with a song repeating "SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM... lovely SPAM, wonderful SPAM", hence "SPAMming" the dialogue. The excessive amount of SPAM mentioned in the sketch is a reference to British rationing during World War II.[citation needed] SPAM was one of the few meat products that avoided rationing, and hence was widely available.

In the 1980s the term was adopted to describe certain abusive users who frequented BBSs and MUDs, who would repeat "SPAM" a huge number of times to scroll other users' text off the screen.[10] In early Chat rooms services like PeopleLink and the early days of AOL, they actually flooded the screen with quotes from the Monty Python Spam sketch. With internet connections over phone lines, typically running at 1200 or even 300 BAUD, it could take an enormous amount of time for a spammy logo, drawn in ASCII art to scroll to completion on a viewer's terminal. Sending an irritating, large, meaningless block of text in this way was called spamming. This was used as a tactic by insiders of a group that wanted to drive newcomers out of the room so the usual conversation could continue. It was also used to prevent members of rival groups from chattingâ€"for instance, Star Wars fans often invaded Star Trek chat rooms, filling the space with blocks of text until the Star Trek fans left.[11] This act, previously called flooding or trashing, came to be known as spamming.[12] The term was soon applied to a large amount of text broadcast by many users.

It later came to be used on Usenet to mean excessive multiple postingâ€"the repeated posting of the same message. The unwanted message would appear in many if not all newsgroups, just as SPAM appeared in all the menu items in the Monty Python sketch. The first usage of this sense was by Joel Furr[13] in the aftermath of the ARMM incident of March 31, 1993, in which a piece of experimental software released dozens of recursive messages onto the news.admin.policy newsgroup.[14] This use had also become establishedâ€"to spam Usenet was flooding newsgroups with junk messages. The word was also attributed to the flood of "Make Money Fast" messages that clogged many newsgroups during the 1990s.[citation needed]

In 1998, the New Oxford Dictionary of English, which had previously only defined "spam" in relation to the trademarked food product, added a second definition to its entry for "spam": "Irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of newsgroups or users."[15]

There are three popular false etymologies of the word "spam". The first, promulgated by early spammers Canter & Siegel, is that "spamming" is what happens when one dumps a can of SPAM luncheon meat into a fan blade. The second is the backronym "shit posing as mail." The third is similar, using "stupid pointless annoying messages." Another false etymology is the Esperanto interpretation: The term spamo (with the o-ending designating nouns) makes sense as "senpete alsendita mesaĝo", which means "a message sent to someone without request".[citation needed]

[edit] History of Internet "spam"

The earliest documented spam was a message advertising the availability of a new model of Digital Equipment Corporation computers sent to 393 recipients on ARPANET in 1978, by Gary Thuerk.[16][17][13] The term "spam" for this practice had not yet been applied.

Spamming had been practiced as a prank by participants in multi-user dungeon games, to fill their rivals' accounts with unwanted electronic junk.[17] The first known electronic chain letter, titled Make Money Fast, was released in 1988.

The first major commercial spam incident started on March 5, 1994, when a husband and wife team of lawyers, Laurence Canter and Martha Siegel, began using bulk Usenet posting to advertise immigration law services. The incident was commonly termed the "Green Card spam", after the subject line of the postings. Defiant in the face of widespread condemnation, the attorneys claimed their detractors were hypocrites or "zealouts", claimed they had a free speech right to send unwanted commercial messages, and labeled their opponents "anti-commerce radicals." The couple wrote a controversial book entitled How to Make a Fortune on the Information Superhighway.[17]

Later that year a poster operating under the alias Serdar Argic posted antagonistic messages denying the Armenian Genocide to tens of thousands of Usenet discussions that had been searched for the word Turkey.

Within a few years, the focus of spamming (and antispam efforts) moved chiefly to e-mail, where it remains today.[10] Arguably, the aggressive email spamming by a number of high-profile spammers such as Sanford Wallace of Cyber Promotions in the mid-to-late 1990s contributed to making spam predominantly an email phenomenon in the public mind.

[edit] Trademark issues

Hormel Foods Corporation, the maker of SPAM luncheon meat, does not object to the Internet use of the term "spamming". However, they did ask that the capitalized word "SPAM" be reserved to refer to their product and trademark.[18] By and large, this request is obeyed in forums which discuss spam. In Hormel Foods v SpamArrest, Hormel attempted to assert its trademark rights against SpamArrest, a software company, from using the mark "spam", since Hormel owns the trademark. In a dilution claim, Hormel argued that Spam Arrest's use of the term "spam" had endangered and damaged "substantial goodwill and good reputation" in connection with its trademarked lunch meat and related products. Hormel also asserts that Spam Arrest's name so closely resembles its luncheon meat that the public might become confused, or might think that Hormel endorses Spam Arrest's products. Hormel did not prevail. Attorney Derek Newman responded on behalf of Spam Arrest: "Spam has become ubiquitous throughout the world to describe unsolicited commercial e-mail. No company can claim trademark rights on a generic term." Hormel stated on its website: "Ultimately, we are trying to avoid the day when the consuming public asks, 'Why would Hormel Foods name its product after junk email?'"[19]

Hormel also made two attempts that were dismissed in 2005 to revoke the mark "SPAMBUSTER".[20]

Hormel's Corporate Attorney Melanie J. Neumann also sent SpamCop's Julian Haight a letter on August 27, 1999 requesting that he delete an objectionable image (a can of Hormel's SPAM luncheon meat product in a trash can), change references to UCE spam to all lower case letters, and confirm his agreement to do so.[21]

[edit] Costs of spam

The European Union's Internal Market Commission estimated in 2001 that "junk e-mail" cost Internet users â,¬10 billion per year worldwide.[22]

The California legislature found that spam cost United States organizations alone more than $13 billion in 2007, including lost productivity and the additional equipment, software, and manpower needed to combat the problem.[23]

Spam's direct effects include the consumption of computer and network resources, and the cost in human time and attention of dismissing unwanted messages. In addition, spam has costs stemming from the kinds of spam messages sent, from the ways spammers send them, and from the arms race between spammers and those who try to stop or control spam. In addition, there are the opportunity cost of those who forgo the use of spam-afflicted systems. There are the direct costs, as well as the indirect costs borne by the victimsâ€"both those related to the spamming itself, and to other crimes that usually accompany it, such as financial theft, identity theft, data and intellectual property theft, virus and other malware infection, child pornography, fraud, and deceptive marketing.

The cost to providers of search engines is not insignificant:

    "The secondary consequence of spamming is that search engine indexes are inundated with useless pages, increasing the cost of each processed query."[1]

The methods of spammers are likewise costly. Because spamming contravenes the vast majority of ISPs' acceptable-use policies, most spammers have for many years gone to some trouble to conceal the origins of their spam. E-mail, Usenet, and instant-message spam are often sent through insecure proxy servers belonging to unwilling third parties. Spammers frequently use false names, addresses, phone numbers, and other contact information to set up "disposable" accounts at various Internet service providers. In some cases, they have used falsified or stolen credit card numbers to pay for these accounts. This allows them to quickly move from one account to the next as each one is discovered and shut down by the host ISPs.

The costs of spam also include the collateral costs of the struggle between spammers and the administrators and users of the media threatened by spamming. [24]

Many users are bothered by spam because it impinges upon the amount of time they spend reading their e-mail. Many also find the content of spam frequently offensive, in that pornography is one of the most frequently advertised products. Spammers send their spam largely indiscriminately, so pornographic ads may show up in a work place e-mail inboxâ€"or a child's, the latter of which is illegal in many jurisdictions. Recently, there has been a noticeable increase in spam advertising websites that contain child pornography.[citation needed]

Some spammers argue that most of these costs could potentially be alleviated by having spammers reimburse ISPs and persons for their material.[citation needed] There are two problems with this logic: first, the rate of reimbursement they could credibly budget is not nearly high enough to pay the direct costs[citation needed]; and second, the human cost (lost mail, lost time, and lost opportunities) is basically unrecoverable.

E-mail spam exemplifies a tragedy of the commons: spammers use resources (both physical and human), without bearing the entire cost of those resources. In fact, spammers commonly do not bear the cost at all. This raises the costs for everyone. In some ways spam is even a potential threat to the entire e-mail system, as operated in the past.

Since e-mail is so cheap to send, a tiny number of spammers can saturate the Internet with junk mail. Although only a tiny percentage of their targets are motivated to purchase their products (or fall victim to their scams), the low cost may provide a sufficient conversion rate to keep the spamming alive. Furthermore, even though spam appears not to be economically viable as a way for a reputable company to do business, it suffices for professional spammers to convince a tiny proportion of gullible advertisers that it is viable for those spammers to stay in business. Finally, new spammers go into business every day, and the low costs allow a single spammer to do a lot of harm before finally realizing that the business is not profitable.

Some companies and groups "rank" spammers; spammers who make the news are sometimes referred to by these rankings.[25][26] The secretive nature of spamming operations makes it difficult to determine how proliferated an individual spammer is, thus making the spammer hard to track, block or avoid. Also, spammers may target different networks to different extents, depending on how successful they are at attacking the target. Thus considerable resources are employed to actually measure the amount of spam generated by a single person or group. For example, victims that use common antispam hardware, software or services provide opportunities for such tracking. Nevertheless, such rankings should be taken with a grain of salt.

[edit] General costs of spam

In all cases listed above, including both commercial and non-commercial, "spam happens" because of a positive Cost-benefit analysis result.

Cost is the combination of

    * Overhead: The costs and overhead of electronic spamming include bandwidth, developing or acquiring an email/wiki/blog spam tool, taking over or acquiring a host/zombie, etc.
    * Transaction cost: The incremental cost of contacting each additional recipient once a method of spamming is constructed, multiplied by the number of recipients. (see CAPTCHA as a method of increasing transaction costs)
    * Risks: Chance and severity of legal and/or public reactions, including damages and punitive damages
    * Damage: Impact on the community and/or communication channels being spammed (see Newsgroup spam)

Benefit is the total expected profit from spam, which may include any combination of the commercial and non-commercial reasons listed above. It is normally linear, based on the incremental benefit of reaching each additional spam recipient, combined with the conversion rate. The conversion rate for botnet-generated spam has recently been measured to be around one in 12,000,000 for pharmaceutical spam and one in 200,000 for infection sites as used by the Storm botnet.[27]

Spam is prevalent on the Internet because the transaction cost of electronic communications is radically less than any alternate form of communication, far outweighing the current potential losses, as seen by the amount of spam currently in existence. Spam continues to spread to new forms of electronic communication as the gain (number of potential recipients) increases to levels where the cost/benefit becomes positive. Spam has most recently evolved to include wikispam and blogspam as the levels of readership increase to levels where the overhead is no longer the dominating factor. According to the above analysis, spam levels will continue to increase until the cost/benefit analysis is balanced[citation needed].

[edit] In crime

Spam can be used to spread computer viruses, trojan horses or other malicious software. The objective may be identity theft, or worse (e.g., advance fee fraud). Some spam attempts to capitalize on human greed whilst other attempts to use the victims' inexperience with computer technology to trick them (e.g., Phishing).

On May 31, 2007, one of the world's most prolific spammers, Robert Alan Soloway, was arrested by U.S. authorities.[28] Described as one of the top ten spammers in the world, Soloway was charged with 35 criminal counts, including mail fraud, wire fraud, e-mail fraud, aggravated identity theft and money laundering.[28] Prosecutors allege that Soloway used millions of "zombie" computers to distribute spam during 2003.[citation needed] This is the first case in which U.S. prosecutors used identity theft laws to prosecute a spammer for taking over someone else's Internet domain name.[citation needed]

Scammers developed software which involves an attractive blond girl, who shows up on the screen promising a striptease if the user enters the CAPTCHA code that is often required to tell humans from computers. After entering the code several times the woman didn't take off all her clothes, instead the program restarted again.[29]

[edit] Political issues
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Spamming remains a hot discussion topic. In 2004, the seized Porsche of an indicted spammer was advertised on the Internet;[30] this revealed the extent of the financial rewards available to those who are willing to commit duplicitous acts online. However, some of the possible means used to stop spamming may lead to other side effects, such as increased government control over the Internet, loss of privacy, barriers to free expression, and the commercialization of e-mail.[citation needed]

One of the chief values favored by many long-time Internet users and experts, as well as by many members of the public, is the free exchange of ideas. Many have valued the relative anarchy of the Internet, and bridle at the idea of restrictions placed upon it.[citation needed] A common refrain from spam-fighters is that spamming itself abridges the historical freedom of the Internet, by attempting to force users to carry the costs of material which they would not choose.[citation needed]

An ongoing concern expressed by parties such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ACLU has to do with so-called "stealth blocking", a term for ISPs employing aggressive spam blocking without their users' knowledge. These groups' concern is that ISPs or technicians seeking to reduce spam-related costs may select tools which (either through error or design) also block non-spam e-mail from sites seen as "spam-friendly". SPEWS is a common target of these criticisms. Few object to the existence of these tools; it is their use in filtering the mail of users who are not informed of their use which draws fire.[citation needed]

Some see spam-blocking tools as a threat to free expressionâ€"and laws against spamming as an untoward precedent for regulation or taxation of e-mail and the Internet at large. Even though it is possible in some jurisdictions to treat some spam as unlawful merely by applying existing laws against trespass and conversion, some laws specifically targeting spam have been proposed. In 2004, United States passed the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 which provided ISPs with tools to combat spam. This act allowed Yahoo! to successfully sue Eric Head, reportedly one of the biggest spammers in the world, who settled the lawsuit for several thousand U.S. dollars in June 2004. But the law is criticized by many for not being effective enough. Indeed, the law was supported by some spammers and organizations which support spamming, and opposed by many in the antispam community. Examples of effective anti-abuse laws that respect free speech rights include those in the U.S. against unsolicited faxes and phone calls, and those in Australia and a few U.S. states against spam.[citation needed]

In November 2004, Lycos Europe released a screensaver called make LOVE not SPAM which made Distributed Denial of Service attacks on the spammers themselves. It met with a large amount of controversy and the initiative ended in December 2004.[citation needed]

[edit] Court cases

    See also: E-mail spam legislation by country

[edit] United States

Sanford Wallace and Cyber Promotions were the target of a string of lawsuits, many of which were settled out of court, up through the famous 1998 Earthlink settlement[citation needed]which put Cyber Promotions out of business.

Attorney Laurence Canter was disbarred by the Tennessee Supreme Court in 1997 for sending prodigious amounts of spam advertising his immigration law practice.

In 2005, Jason Smathers, a former America Online employee, pled guilty to charges of violating the CAN-SPAM Act. In 2003, he sold a list of approximately 93 million AOL subscriber e-mail addresses to Sean Dunaway who, in turn, sold the list to spammers.[31][32]

In 2007, Robert Soloway lost a case in a federal court against the operator of a small Oklahoma-based Internet service provider who accused him of spamming. U.S. Judge Ralph G. Thompson granted a motion by plaintiff Robert Braver for a default judgment and permanent injunction against him. The judgment includes a statutory damages award of $10,075,000 under Oklahoma law.[33]

In June 2007, two men were convicted of eight counts stemming from sending millions of e-mail spam messages that included hardcore pornographic images. Jeffrey A. Kilbride, 41, of Venice, California was sentenced to six years in prison, and James R. Schaffer, 41, of Paradise Valley, Arizona, was sentenced to 63 months. In addition, the two were fined $100,000, ordered to pay $77,500 in restitution to AOL, and ordered to forfeit more than $1.1 million, the amount of illegal proceeds from their spamming operation.[34] The charges included conspiracy, fraud, money laundering, and transportation of obscene materials. The trial, which began on June 5, was the first to include charges under the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003, according to a release from the Department of Justice. The specific law that prosecutors used under the CAN-Spam Act was designed to crack down on the transmission of pornography in spam.[35]

In 2005, Scott J. Filary and Donald E. Townsend of Tampa, Florida were sued by Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist for violating the Florida Electronic Mail Communications Act.[36] The two spammers were required to pay $50,000 USD to cover the costs of investigation by the state of Florida, and a $1.1 million penalty if spamming were to continue, the $50,000 was not paid, or the financial statements provided were found to be inaccurate. The spamming operation was successfully shut down.[37]

Edna Fiedler, 44, of Olympia, Washington, on June 25, 2008, pleaded guilty in a Tacoma court and was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment and 5 years of supervised release or probation in an Internet $1 million "Nigerian check scam." She conspired to commit bank, wire and mail fraud, against US citizens, specifically using Internet by having had an accomplice who shipped counterfeit checks and money orders to her from Lagos, Nigeria, last November. Fiedler shipped out $ 609,000 fake check and money orders when arrested and prepared to send additional $ 1.1 million counterfeit materials. Also, the U.S. Postal Service recently intercepted counterfeit checks, lottery tickets and eBay overpayment schemes with a face value of $2.1 billion.[38][39]

[edit] United Kingdom

In the first successful case of its kind, Nigel Roberts from the Channel Islands won £270 against Media Logistics UK who sent junk e-mails to his personal account.[40]

January 2007, a Sheriff Court in Scotland awarded Mr. Gordon Dick £750 (the then maximum sum which could be awarded in a Small Claim action) plus expenses of £618.66, a total of £1368.66 against Transcom Internet Services Ltd.[41] for breaching anti-spam laws.[42] Transcom had been legally represented at earlier hearings but were not represented at the proof, so Dick got his decree by default. It is the largest amount awarded in compensation in the United Kingdom since the Nigel Roberts case in 2005 above.

[edit] New Zealand

October 2008, a vast international internet spam operation run from New Zealand has been cited by American authorities as one of the world’s largest, and for a time responsible for up to a third of all unwanted emails. In a statement overnight the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) named Christchurch’s Lance Atkinson as one of the principals of the operation. Earlier this week New Zealand’s Internal Affairs announced it had lodged a $200,000 claim in the High Court against Atkinson and his brother Shane Atkinson and courier Roland Smits, after raids in Christchurch last December. It marks the first prosecution since the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Act (UEMA) was passed in September 2007 FTC said they had received more than three million complaints about spam messages connected to this operation, and estimates that it may be responsible for sending billions of illegal spam messages. The US District Court has frozen the defendants’ assets to preserve them for consumer redress pending trial.

[edit] Newsgroups

    * news.admin.net-abuse.email
    * others including news.admin.net-abuse.*
    * news:alt.spam

[edit] See also

    * Address munging (avoidance technique)
    * Bacon (electronic)
    * E-mail fraud
    * Identity theft
    * Image spam
    * Internet Troll
    * Job scams
    * Junk mail
    * List of spammers
    * Malware
    * Network Abuse Clearinghouse
    * Advance fee fraud (Nigerian spam)
    * Phishing
    * Scam
    * Social networking spam
    * SORBS
    * Spam
    * SpamCop
    * Spamigation
    * Spam Lit
    * Spoetry
    * Sporgery
    * Virus (computer)
    * Vishing

[edit] History

    * Howard Carmack
    * Make money fast
    * Sanford Wallace
    * Spam King
    * UUnet and the Usenet Death Penalty

[edit] References

   1. ^ a b Gyöngyi, Zoltán; Garcia-Molina, Hector (2005), "Web spam taxonomy", Proceedings of the First International Workshop on Adversarial Information Retrieval on the Web (AIRWeb), 2005 in The 14th International World Wide Web Conference (WWW 2005) May 10, (Tue)-14 (Sat), 2005, Nippon Convention Center (Makuhari Messe), Chiba, Japan., New York, N.Y.: ACM Press, ISBN 1-59593-046-9
   2. ^ http://www.maawg.org/about/MAAWG20072Q_Metrics_Report.pdf
   3. ^ FileOn List Builder-Extract URL,MetaTags,Email,Phone,Fax from www-Optimized Webcrawler
   4. ^ The (Evil) Genius of Comment Spammers - Wired Magazine, March 2004
   5. ^ See: Advance fee fraud
   6. ^ SA cops, Interpol probe murder - News24.com, 2004-12-31
   7. ^ Most Spam comes from the USA, says SophosLabs
   8. ^ "Getting the message, at last" (2007-12-14).
   9. ^ Origin of the term "spam" to mean net abuse
  10. ^ a b Origin of the term "spam" to mean net abuse
  11. ^ The Origins of Spam in Star Trek chatrooms
  12. ^ Spamming? (rec.games.mud) - Google Groups USENET archive, 1990-09-26
  13. ^ a b At 30, Spam Going Nowhere Soon - Interviews with Gary Thuerk and Joel Furr
  14. ^ news.bbc.co.uk
  15. ^ "Oxford dictionary adds Net terms" on News.com
  16. ^ Reaction to the DEC Spam of 1978
  17. ^ a b c Tom Abate (May 3, 2008). "A very unhappy birthday to spam, age 30", San Francisco Chronicle.
  18. ^ SPAM and the Internet - Official SPAM Website
  19. ^ Hormel Foods v SpamArrest, Motion for Summary Judgement, Redacted Version (PDF)
  20. ^ Hormel Foods Corpn v Antilles Landscape Investments NV (2005) EWHC 13 (Ch)
  21. ^ Letter from Hormel's Corporate Attorney Melanie J. Neumann to SpamCop's Julian Haight
  22. ^ "Data protection: "Junk" e-mail costs internet users 10 billion a year worldwide - Commission study"
  23. ^ CALIFORNIA BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE
  24. ^ Thank the Spammers - William R. James 2003-03-10
  25. ^ Spamhaus' "TOP 10 spam service ISPs"
  26. ^ The 10 Worst ROKSO Spammers
  27. ^ Kanich, C.; C. Kreibich, K. Levchenko, B. Enright, G. Voelker, V. Paxson and S. Savage (2008-10-28). "Spamalytics: An Empirical Analysis of Spam Marketing Conversion". Proceedings of Conference on Computer and Communications Security (CCS). Retrieved on 2008-11-05.
  28. ^ a b Alleged 'Seattle Spammer' arrested - CNET News.com
  29. ^ Online Striptease Scam Makes Users Break the Codes
  30. ^ timewarner.com
  31. ^ U.S. v Jason Smathers and Sean Dunaway, amended complaint, US District Court for the Southern District of New York (2003). Retrieved 7 March 2007, from http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0623042aol1.html
  32. ^ Ex-AOL employee pleads guilty in spam case. (2005, February 4). CNN. Retrieved 7 March 2007, from http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/02/04/aol.spam.plea/
  33. ^ Braver v. Newport Internet Marketing Corporation et al - U.S. District Court - Western District of Oklahoma (Oklahoma City), 2005-02-22
  34. ^ "Two Men Sentenced for Running International Pornographic Spamming Business". United States Department of Justice (October 12, 2007). Retrieved on 2007-10-25.
  35. ^ Gaudin, Sharon, Two Men Convicted Of Spamming Pornography InformationWeek, June 26, 2007
  36. ^ "Crist Announces First Case Under Florida Anti-Spam Law". Office of the Florida Attorney General. Retrieved on 2008-02-23.
  37. ^ "Crist: Judgment Ends Duo's Illegal Spam, Internet Operations". Office of the Florida Attorney General. Retrieved on 2008-02-23.
  38. ^ upi.com, Woman gets prison for 'Nigerian' scam
  39. ^ yahoo.com, Woman Gets Two Years for Aiding Nigerian Internet Check Scam (PC World)
  40. ^ Businessman wins e-mail spam case - BBC News, 2005-12-27
  41. ^ Gordon Dick v Transcom Internet Service Ltd.
  42. ^ Article 13-Unsolicited communications

    * Specter, Michael (2007-08-06). "Damn Spam". The New Yorker. Retrieved on 2007-08-02.

[edit] External links

    * The SpamGang: free anti spam resource providing one way email addresses, annonymized email outbox and spam bot traps.
    * Spamtrackers SpamWiki: a peer-reviewed spam information and analysis resource.
    * Federal Trade Commission page advising people to forward spam e-mail to them
    * Slamming Spamming Resource on Spam
    * Why am I getting all this spam? CDT
    * Cybertelecom:: Federal SPAM law and policy
    * Reaction to the DEC Spam of 1978 Overview and text of the first known internet email spam.

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Juan Carlos,

Cese por favor escribir esta basura aquí.
Stefan está ahora enterado de sus acciones y él lo estará avisando pronto.


Please cease writing this garbage here.
Stefan is now aware of your actions and he will be contacting you soon.

Quote
"la repelencia magnetica como energia potenciadora es la energia de materia no masica. votice artificial creado por la unificacion de campos magneticos de igual polaridad contenidos en un aro u orbital los nazis obtubieron estos conocimientos de antiguo biblioteca del serapeum."

Translation:

"The magnetic repulsion is like potential energy. It is the energy of the material not the mass. Artificial vortices are created by the unification of magnetic fields of the same polarity in an orbital ring. The Nazis obtained this knowledge from the ancient library of Serapeum."

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"informacion del molino magnetico puede ser usado en interfase electrica , como vehiculo y tambien puede levitar. usos ilimitados. OVNI= OBJETO VOLADOR NO IDENTIFICADO = MODELO  MODERNO DE MOLINO MAGNETICO. molino magnetico puede ser usado de interfase electrica como vehiculo y tambien levita. aleciones especiales de mas de 70000 gaus"

"los extraterrestres no existen. los extraterrestres no existen solo existen naves circulares potenciadas por vortices atificiales magneticos"

Translation:

"Information about the magnetic mill can be used in an electronic interface, sucj as vehicles and can also cause levitation. Unlimited use. UFO = Unidentified Flying Object = Model OF Modern Magnetic Mill. There are special magnets with more then 70,000 Gauss.

The aliens do not exist. There are no aliens existing only ships powered by circular artificial magnetic vortices."

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Re: EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill
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"la repelencia magnetica como energia potenciadora es la energia de materia no masica. votice artificial creado por la unificacion de campos magneticos de igual polaridad contenidos en un aro u orbital los nazis obtubieron estos conocimientos de antiguo biblioteca del serapeum."

Translation:

"The magnetic repulsion is like potential energy. It is the energy of the material not the mass. Artificial vortices are created by the unification of magnetic fields of the same polarity in an orbital ring. The Nazis obtained this knowledge from the ancient library of Serapeum."

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"informacion del molino magnetico puede ser usado en interfase electrica , como vehiculo y tambien puede levitar. usos ilimitados. OVNI= OBJETO VOLADOR NO IDENTIFICADO = MODELO  MODERNO DE MOLINO MAGNETICO. molino magnetico puede ser usado de interfase electrica como vehiculo y tambien levita. aleciones especiales de mas de 70000 gaus"

"los extraterrestres no existen. los extraterrestres no existen solo existen naves circulares potenciadas por vortices atificiales magneticos"

Translation:

"Information about the magnetic mill can be used in an electronic interface, sucj as vehicles and can also cause levitation. Unlimited use. UFO = Unidentified Flying Object = Model OF Modern Magnetic Mill. There are special magnets with more then 70,000 Gauss.

The aliens do not exist. There are no aliens existing only ships powered by circular artificial magnetic vortices."

If the original sounds a little funny, keep in mind that this was pasted together from the chat conversation I had with him.

Also I was able to glean some more details about the magnet motor in the video he posted. The magnets that he used were 2 cm dia x 0.5 cm thk (0.78" x 0.19"). Also, the ring that the magnets were mounted on was actually a cardboard tape roll! So just with this information alone, we can easily replicate this device. I just went to Home Depot earlier this evening and grabed up a few packs of ceramic disk magnets that just happened to be almost exactly the same size as the ones Juan used. They are 0.75" dia x 0.2" thk.

God Bless,
Jason O

"The magnetic repulsion is like potential energy. It is the energy of the material not the mass. Artificial vortices are created by the unification of magnetic fields of the same polarity in an orbital ring. The Nazis obtained this knowledge from the ancient library of Serapeum."

"Information about the magnetic mill can be used in an electronic interface, sucj as vehicles and can also cause levitation. Unlimited use. UFO = Unidentified Flying Object = Model OF Modern Magnetic Mill. There are special magnets with more then 70,000 Gauss.

The aliens do not exist. There are no aliens existing only ships powered by circular artificial magnetic vortices."

Ok, I have had enough of this nonsense. I am requesting to have this thread closed and Juan Carlos to be banned from this forum since it is obvious that he is not mature enough to hold a legitimate technical discussion here. I will not waste my time on this any longer.

Okay, I have locked the thread..

Regards, Stefan.