Tesla Switch is an unpatented invention which was revealed from one of his associates.
Was used to power Tesla's Electric car, and his associate's. Self Charging Battery
array which never needs charging, and caution needed with overcharging. Appears that
load/pull/vacuum from one battery is used to charge other batteries, works similar to back
emf, where collapse/vacuum charges other batteries
Scroll down to Tesla's Switch
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla_switch
SM
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Hi SirMikey:
I will have to bring your attention to the two caps in the bottom of the circuit. If these
are left as is, on one half of the cycle each will be reverse polorized and not be good. In
the last circuit I saw they were electrolytic and thus not workable. If left in and non polorized
you have a drop in voltage to the output. I could only see about 2 volts output with them in.
If you remove them then you get the full output to the load. That is where I went with mine.I
also removed all the diodes and just added another transistor wired in reverse to the other one
so when you cycle, one turns on and the other turns off.
I was trying to find the other thread where I was going to post my circuit but cant find it now.
Would it be ok to share it here? I think this is best as the topic is specificly for the switch.
I also want to caution that in one of the diagrams on the net, the FWBR is shown wrong so
if you wire up your own, use the right layout. Or just use one made up.
I use circuit maker and there is a trick to copy the clipboard to paint and save as a giff. Know
how to do that? That way I can make up a neat and readable circuit to share. Not a hand drawn
mess like I have now.
thaelin
thaelin,
Please post your circuit and schematic and/or demo clips.
My own thinking is that the rapid switching of the batteries
while under load creates some sort of bouncing or recoiling
effect, which is stronger than the battery, thus charges the
battery. The recoil (backstroke) from used battery charges
unloaded battery. Is this correct?
Tak22, thanks for the link references to former. Do old threads
just disappear from the forum listing? Under Tesla, I only get
49 topics. What is going on with that?
SM
hi all
i think this may be the thread you're thinking of, Thaelin
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3316.0
it covers quite a few varied attempts and discussions about this particular device and the underlying principles
i found the thread in it's later stages when i joined the forum with details of my own tests - there is an overlap in the approaches: switching energy from one source to another, shuttling it back & forth thro' a load, one or more times, to increase efficiency
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
Quote from: nul-points on October 08, 2008, 01:42:24 AM- there is an overlap in the approaches: switching energy from one source to another, shuttling it back & forth thro' a load, one or more times, to increase efficiency
Sandy,
What ran across my own mind was back emf, collapsing fields/charges. I was thinking that
that the loaded battery recoiling back to unloaded state may be the same thing, free energy, that you can stick the recoil into an unloaded battery. Same as with back emf, you have to put the recoil into an unused battery, or the charge is lost, ghost. Any feedback?
SM
hi SM
yes, the recoil/flyback is real energy - take a look at these results i've just found on flyback - seems to contradict the 'text-book' position that flyback can never be OU
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5708.msg129736#msg129736
i don't have any experience yet feeding energy back into batteries - i'm using caps at the moment because it's easy to measure energy in/out as voltage increase/decrease
my circuit is basically one quarter of the 'Tesla' Switch - and i only pass the current thro' the load twice so far - haven't progressed to looping back, which is what the Tesla Switch does (with several sources) - but i can definitely get OU results from just one branch using caps
so i'd agree - the recoil HAS to be used, somewhere, or it's a loss in the system - and my recent tests are showing that recoil/flyback is likely the source of any OU behaviour in circuits with pulsed coils
be interested to hear how you get on
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
Well guess here is good enough for now. Still have a hot transistor. :-\
That is with all in the off state. So I have to dig into it more. So that means
back to the relays for the time being. I just received the gear mount for
the motor.
Since I will be only switching at a very slow rate, the relays will suffice
and can be driven from a small run battery along with the lights.
Sorry for the delay.
thaelin
Hello,
Great to see that people are getting positive results with this.
Wow Sandy, thanks for the link, your measured results.
I would imagine that 12 car batteries would get around 25-30
mile range, and so the electric car conversion crowd will likely
fall in love with this thing. Bedini, Lindemann, Bearden, etc..
all say that the flyback/recoil cannot be put into the running
battery, or it just nulls/ghosts.
Here's a patent for a 52KWH car/house battery.
The battery fully charges in minutes as opposed to hours.
http://www.rexresearch.com/weir/weir.htm
Cheers,
SM
hi guys
Thaelin
i've started using CircuitMaker to produce schematics - i capture the design using PaintShop & then save as a GIF file
i just tried that with Windows Paint and you can do the same thing:
- prepare the schematic in CM
- leave CM window open & active
- (on my computer) press 'Fn' & 'PrtSc' keys together to 'copy' to clipboard (might be Alt-PrtSc, or Ctrl-PrtSc for some)
- press Ctrl-V in Paint Window to paste into Paint
- SaveAs GIF file
hope this helps, would be good to see what schematic you're using
SM
yes, i've seen that about not re-charging battery while in use - HOWEVER - is there a difference between using your battery for an hour, disconnecting it, recharging it for an 9 hours, disconnecting it, repeat, etc, and using your battery for a millisecond, disconnecting it, recharging it for 9 milliseconds, disconnecting it, repeat, etc?
i don't know the answer to this - and maybe the answer is different across Lead-Acid, Ni-Cad, NiMH, etc
if you're using pulse-driven circuits then it's certainly possible to send current back into a battery in between delivering current out of a battery - the same battery - but i don't know how the battery feels about that ! :)
it's no problem to do this with capacitors (power supplies do it all the time)
the debate about Bedini circuits & Tesla Switch circuits recharging batteries seems to come down to two issues:
- skeptics seem to say that in order to fully recharge a battery (i presume they refer to LABs) using flyback pulses you'd need such large voltage spikes that you'll damage the battery - reducing the spike voltage is better physical treatment but won't give full charge
- Bedini & supporters seem to say that the flyback spikes operate in a non-standard way - "Volts * Amps don't apply" - the size/shape/frequency of the spikes cause a aetheric 'resonance' in the battery to make it act like a negative resistor and gain energy from the vacuum
as i say, i've only used capacitors so i can't comment on these two views
i suspect it's a lot easier to make & operate these circuits than it is to test if they're having the required effect on all the batteries
which is why i use capacitors ;)
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
Quote from: sirmikey1 on October 08, 2008, 10:26:48 AM
Here's a patent for a 52KWH car/house battery.
The battery fully charges in minutes as opposed to hours.
http://www.rexresearch.com/weir/weir.htm
This is a capacitor, and a very big one. The snag is that if they are damaged
badly when charged, they can explode in a devastating way. (A real risk for
electric vehicles).
All,
Tesla Switch seems to say that back emf
or collapsing emf is not emf, but radiant
energy recoil (vacuum).
I had an engineer tell me yesterday that
the tesla coil is running in reverse polarity,
that it's really a radiant energy receiver,
and because Telsa wanted the exposure
wild sparking, to captivate/amaze the
public/investors.
In one of Tesla's biographies, Tesla said that
you could get more power from an antenna
and ground wire than his radiating tower. Duh!
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto06.html
Tesla stated that his Magnifying Transmitter
would be his greatest contribution to humanity.
Not his tower, but the transmitter (spark tube)
which powered the tower.
Do those toy Telsa Spark globes output circa
100KV at <10mhz? Anyone know of such a driver
or schematic?
SM
i think sirmikey1 is right, we make an adjustment in the vacuum by driving a current through the wire, then the vacuum corrects itself with more force.
the switch if the current goes through the parallel batteries and back to the series batteries its still only half the current that was originally there.
24V -> 2 12V -> 12V
50% stays
(Batteries aren't
100% efficient)
24V at the end would kill the source batteries faster, if it's only 12V hitting them it's not so bad.
I am building a Tesla switch. I have build a proof of concept on a breadboard and am building a prototype to drive four 12v lead acid batteries. It uses Mosfets for fast switching, up to and slightly beyond 1mhz, and rectification of the output so there are no diodes in the oscillating path.
I think the Tesla switch is a good platform for testing other FE concepts because it will be very efficient to start with.
Please see: http://freeenergygroup.com/
Quote from: Jon on October 08, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
I am building a Tesla switch. I have build a proof of concept on a breadboard and am building a prototype to drive four 12v lead acid batteries. It uses Mosfets for fast switching
Some people suggest mechanical switching rather than solid state switching, but the duty
cycle for each half needs to be accurately 50%. You should need at least 200 cps but don't
go above 600 - 800.
Check out page 5 onwards:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf
Quote from: Jon on October 08, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
I am building a Tesla switch. I have build a proof of concept on a breadboard and am building a prototype to drive four 12v lead acid batteries. It uses Mosfets for fast switching, up to and slightly beyond 1mhz, and rectification of the output so there are no diodes in the oscillating path.
I think the Tesla switch is a good platform for testing other FE concepts because it will be very efficient to start with.
Please see: http://freeenergygroup.com/
Hi Jon,
I allways wanted to make an electronic tesla switch but i don't have knowledge of electronics so i was wondering if anyone made a working prototype, keep us posted when your ready and have working model. I may order one from you.
Great! The first card I plan on fabricating will be limited to 12v cells and about 50 watts but a second card could support 200v with apparently 2500 watts. Once I have the switch working I want to run tests with a scooter or go cart with a data logger.
The objective of the switch was to use solid state parts so that the switching time is fast and efficient. If free energy is available it is likely that the device has to operate with high speed so that it has enough resolution to extract it. I suppose it could be analogous to capturing energy from a wave on the surface of watter. The watter representing some field or vacuum we exist in and the waves are the changing potentials of electricity. If your collection device is not able to move faster than the frequency of the wave then its not apparent that energy exists there.
The TS is interesting to me because it is the most efficient FE attempt that I have made so far making it a good platform for testing some modifications. It should be extensible in that way and useful for real world applications so that others can use it for specific tasks as well as FE research.
I decided not to use physical relays because they are very slow, very inefficient and very expensive. This TS does use two solid state relays formed by mosfets. Also there are no diodes in the path of the switch. The voltage drop across a diode would be very expensive multiplied by each cycle of the switch. All switching is done using mosfets, there are ten in this switch.
Also the control circuit is specifically important to the switch. On paper there are two stages where each side switches in orientation between parallel and series. But when using mosfets and drivers there is a delay between the time it takes for the switching to actually shut off, so four stages are used. Two stages are wait for all switches to deactivate. I don't know how physical relays behave but using a 50% duty cycle seems risky. you would easily be able to see a short circuit by increasing the frequency. If your output is reduced at higher frequencies you know you have a problem.
Thanks for the feedback. I will post more soon.
Jon
http://freeenergygroup.com
Hi everyone good day! ;D
Tesla switch is good cause its from tesla surely it works!.
and do you know that we can make it more better?.
I did a power up test of my tesla switch today. I have not tested everything fully or connected all of the battery cells. I have had to replace a few of the cards because the power supplies i build were not very stable under load. I didn't realize that you can buy $5 parts to step up and down effeciently...
Right now only four cards are being used. A computer interface MCU is driving the switch now, a power supply card provides 5v and 12v, a mosfet driver card provides the switch with 12v very fast switching and finally the tesla switch card with six mosfets and four high side static mode mosfet drivers. It all passes individual testing but I want to do a once over before toasting it under load in case there are any problems... This think cost a bit to build...
I have a lot more on the go and i hope to post more results soon.
Questions are welcome...
Thanks
Jon
Looks Great Jon, can't wait to see how it all works out. As soon as I have some time I will get some pics of mine up.
Just a quick update. It doesn't work as I expected. Its the same problem I have been wrestling with for years. The issue is that the mosfet drivers don't completely shut off, there is 1+- volt for a few milliseconds. This causes both switch stages to be open at the same time which is a short. It lights a bulb but the mosfets get blistering hot after a few seconds...
Switching high side is turning out to be very hard... I suspect I have something set up incorrectly. I can fix it but i have to rip it apart and think about it...
Jon
I am starting to think that mechanical switching is the way to go, but I am still going to give it a shot the way I am going with the transistors. I hope I can make the time this weekend to finish wiring it up.
Yeah, Reed relays would be very interesting to test.
I found some issues with my mosfet driver setup. I am fixing them now and may just use pull down resistors to see if i can pinch off the signal when it is low...
Quote from: RichieTDI on June 24, 2010, 12:04:58 PM
I am starting to think that mechanical switching is the way to go..
Patrick Kelly suggested that at the UKFree Energy Conference 2008. He reckoned that sparks and arcs would be
involved, and they are frequently to be found in free energy designs. They could be fundamental to getting at
the energy in space itself. (Nobel Physics prize 1957 , Hal Puthoff etc).
Well here is my board. I have been working off Patrick Kellys design, but I am really thinking of changing up and going with some heavy duty 3PDT Relays. Patrick says that you only need to get a frequency of 100 to get the system to work. 800 max.
Just a little background on me, I am just a tinkerer. I have invented a power supply for the tattooing industry and it is in production. I am a Tattoo Artist and my wife and I own a very nice studio in Colorado with 8 employees. I have always liked to tinker with electronics sense I was a kid. I don't know allot but I do know some basics and I hope that will get me by until I learn more.
And that is why I am here.
not to burst your bubble but how did tesla put diodes in his plan when they weren't invented? As far as i know tesla had home made equipment of Resistors, self wound inductors/transformers and electric motors and his home made capacitors, oh and his vacuum tubes. So are you able to tell me where the semi-conductors came into it???
You may be able to prolong the charge of the batteries in this formation using back emf if all the diodes in the schematic were a series of transformers used to capture the back emf of the fast switching to send it back to an "un-used" battery. Your switching will need to be insync also as you have no base positive connection your schem. with resistance from the start on one side (like trying to put more water in a full pool then extract it again, or take water from an empty pool to put it back again afterwards), this is assuming that the caps aren't precharged.
Quote from: RichieTDI on June 24, 2010, 12:04:58 PM
I am starting to think that mechanical switching is the way to go, but I am still going to give it a shot the way I am going with the transistors. I hope I can make the time this weekend to finish wiring it up.
your absolutely correct ! ;D
Quote from: RichieTDI on June 29, 2010, 10:53:21 PM
Patrick says that you only need to get a frequency of 100 to get the system to work. 800 max.
We should be clear that a cycle is a change from condition A to condition B and then
back to condition A again.
I think a cycle will mean two switchings.
Lets Get Some Basic Facts Straight About The Tesla Switch
- http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html -
Here are my test results for a Tesla Switch Circuit which I have built & tested.
You can give your own comments after doing a similar test.
If you know anyone who has got this circuit working with overunity - lets see the proof.
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A small circuit was built using 3 (2 volt 4.5 Amp DT lead acid cells).
The load was a 7 watt 0.47 Ohm resistor.
The current being drawn by the load was between 2 to 3 amps depending on the individual battery potentials.
The load voltage varied between 1.049 volts & 1.7 volts.
The batteries were positioned manually using screw terminals.
A voltmeter was used to check each cell voltage to determine when the battery position should be changed.
The battery being charged got quite warm, on the first occassion. (All the batteries were fully charged)
The other two batteries remained cold during the test.
The battery with the lowest voltage was put on charge, since each battery has a small difference.
The load was permanently connected to the batteries during the test, there was no load switching circuit of any kind.
The batteries should be rotated regularly if possible.
A few important things that I noticed during the 4 hour test period.
The batteries themselves performed well during the test, however after about 3 hours of use I could see a dramatic drop in the overall
voltage of each cell. There was clearly a loss in the system & the batteries were starting to fail. Even though this was a low current test,
at what point does the system begin to self power itself?
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My Conclusions To The Tesla Switch Experiment are as follows :
The circuit did not function for longer than 3 hours with a 3 amp load current.
The Tesla Switch circuit cannot sustain itself with a purely resistive load.
The Tesla Switch circuit is not overunity at least not at 2 to 3 amps.
No negative energy was being fed back into the system to keep the batteries charged.
The batteries eventually failed & discharged because there was a loss in the system.
No load switching was used for this test, however I do not believe it would have helped much.
Maybe the circuit requires very heavy load currents to become effective with switching?
Much of the documentation regarding the Tesla Switch & many other miracle battery charging circuits are flawed or have over exaggerated claims.
- http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Electromagnetic/TeslaSwitch/Tesla_Battery_Switch_PGFED.pdf -
- http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-15.html -
- http://www.overunity.com/6793/simplest-solid-state-tesla-switch/-
- http://www.overunity.com/3316/tesla-switch-need-help/ -
- http://www.overunity.com/5773/teslas-switch-selfradiant-charging-switching-batteries/15/ -
There have been a number of statements made regarding the tesla switches ability to instantly charge a dead battery.
Well, if that were true, where are the actual test results to prove this.
What happened to the other batteries in the circuit that were supposedly supplying all that free energy.
What was the supply current to the load when this miracle occurred? 30 - 50 amps?
If an experiment cannot be reproduced by a competent individual, there must be some over exaggerated claims.
If you are expecting dramatic results from this circuit, you better look elsewhere to keep your batteries charged.
You might get a bit of extra power dissipated in the load, but ultimately you are advised to invest in a permanent magnetic motor & flux gate generator.
You ultimately need a method of charging your batteries without any fuss & without all the complications.
You may have to build a circuit which draws a very heavy load to actually get anywhere with this circuit & that means you need very large batteries & big load.
Never really was sure why this circ is called a Tesla switch. I would like to see how tesla did it. Diodes were not around in Tesla's time. He did invission it being something that may one day may be possible though.
As far as your attempt I dont think that type of battery was used iether, while it may be a lead acid battery it hardly would be concidered typical for the time period of Bendini or Tesla. Yours (batteries) experienced heating up which is not what was discribed in the link.
Tesla loved to use the phrase "those familar in the art of" which does not give a quantitive number to "those". Could be just him. It's always about the pay grade.
Here is an Explaination of the Tesla Switch & How It Really Works.
Place two batteries in series to get double the voltage, & two in parallel to get double the current.
The 2 series batteries are used in discharge mode.
The 2 parallel batteries are used in charge mode.
Connect one wire of the load to the high positive potential of the series batteries & connect the second wire to the lower positive potential of the parallel batteries.
If you are using 12 volt batteries, you will get approx 12 volts across the load.
The load is powered entirely by the 2 batteries in series, both of them do work to keep current flowing through the load.
It makes no difference what postion each of the batteries are placed in, position 1 or position 2 in the series configuration.
The voltage across the two batteries will be the same, no matter which way round you put them.
The series batteries are used in discharge mode.
Once you have connected the load to the two potentials, you need to quickly switch the batteries so that both of the series batteries end up
where the parallel batteries were & both of the parallel batteries are placed where the series batteries were.
It makes absolutely no difference in what order they are placed in, since two batteries in parallel have the same voltage no matter which way round you place them.
That is the basic switching part out of the way, now you can design a circuit to do just that.
You have 2 series batteries & 2 parallel batteries which need to be switched at a frequency of 100 Hz & above.
The battery voltages should be monitored at all times while the circuit is functioning & the switching frequency should not be allowed to go too high.
The switching frequency is used to obtain enough free energy from the environment without complete meltdown or vastly overcharging the batteries.
I am not sure about whether you can power small loads with this circuit but it has been suggested that a load drawing 35 amp is required.
If you want to increase the battery voltage to 24 volts you should be able to do this, but pay attention to any switching mosfet requirements particularly drain to source voltages.
Some mosfets have integrated zener diodes which may not be desirable. I will be posting a solid state switching circuit very soon.
The free energy comes from the difference in mass between the electron & the lead ion & their different reaction or relaxation times.
It is believed that lead ions take a certain amount of time to move, because they are heavy.
The amount of time required by a lead ion to begin to move, is much longer than it takes for an electron to travel along the outside of a copper wire.
There is another important factor involved in battery-charging circuits to be used with normal lead-acid batteries
and that is the practical detail of the materials involved. The charging process in this switching circuit is carried out
by electrons flowing down the connecting wire and into the battery. The electrons flowing along the outer surface
of the wire, move very rapidly indeed. The main current inside the battery is carried by the charged ions inside the
lead plates inside the battery. These ions are hundreds of thousands of times heavier than the electrons. This
doesn’t matter at all once the ions get moving, but in the initial split second before the ions get going, the incoming
electrons pile up like in a traffic jam tail-back. This pile-up of electrons pushes up the voltage on the terminal of the
battery, well above the nominal battery voltage, and so the charging starts off with a high-voltage, high-current
pulse into the battery.
This is not normally noticed when using a standard mains-powered battery charger, as switch-on only occurs once
during the whole charging process. In the Tesla switch the circuit takes advantage of this difference in momentum
between the electrons and the lead ions, and uses it repeatedly to great advantage. The technique is to use very short
duration pulses all the time. If the pulses are short enough, the voltage and current drive into the receiving battery
is far greater than a quick glance at the circuit
The type of copper wire you use to wire up your Tesla Switch should chosen based on the need for very fast electron movement on
the outside of the wire. Many thin strands of wire can achieve this, the more the better. You could try using lots of insulated
enamelled copper wire or high quality stranded copper wire, not sure which one will work better.
Make sure you read Tom Beardens overunity-made-easy for an understanding about relaxation time as it is directly related to the Tesla Switch operation.
- http://universallyaware.ning.com/forum/topics/the-secrets-of-free-energy-overunity-made-easy-why-there-is-no -
I believe the lead acid battery is working as a Degenerate Semiconductor Material, because it can be manipulated to provide free energy from the vaccum.
If you can exploit the pile up of electrons on the charge battery, & you use the correct copper cable, with a high current load, 30 amps or more
you should have lots of success with this overunity invention.
Many of the older Tesla Switch designs should be ignored since we have much better components these days.
There is plenty of choice when looking for mosfets, or bridge drivers etc.
There is no need to use any capacitors or diodes in the circuit, you should be able to do everything with mosfets.
maybe this helps but you need 3 pdt switch to change configuration of batteries
i think that sparking is part of the process!
cheers from poland
wojsciech