Okay, bear with me here. This post is just trying to kick around more ideas and theories and maybe get many more of us on the same page. I've been doing some extreme studying of tons of different theories, different types of motors, generators, perpetual motion machine concepts and trying to tie in all this with the Laws of Physics. So here we go!
First, I believe most people think over-unity and free energy are the same thing. In fact, I believe they are quite different. One I believe is impossible, and the other is proven by the laws of physics! Let me explain:
Definition of free energy, taken from princeton.edu.
free energy ((physics) a thermodynamic quantity equivalent to the capacity of a physical system to do work; the units of energy are joules or ergs) "energy can take a wide variety of forms"
So, free energy, when the term is used the way it is supposed to be, simply means the excess of energy, that already exists that is currently not being used. It's FREE, or AVAILABLE! Physics proves there is energy of some form in everything, all the time.
Now over-unity, in fact I believe is truely impossible, just as the laws of physics state. But I also believe that under-unity is also impossible! Let me explain. If the laws of physics says energy cannot be created, nor can it be destroyed, then technically every energy device is EXACTLY UNITY! In other words, you may put 15 watts of power into a motor, you will get the exact equivalent to the energy put in, back out. Except it has all been transformed into rotational, kinetic, heat, and whatever else. Properly ad all the forces up, and they will equal exactly what was put in. This is why you can still hook an alternator to a motor and get energy back out. You simply change the kinetic or rotational energy into electricity again, but you still lose energy to heat, friction, whatever. But technically, all forces added together still would equal exactly unity.
Now, with my understanding of physics and how things work, it appears most people not properly understanding the true meaning, are thinking of over-unity as simply getting more ELECTRICITY out than the ELECTRICITY they put in. Technically, I dont think that is over-unity we are seeking at all. That is free energy. And technically, the laws of physics actually proves that you CAN get more electricity out than you put in. The laws basically force you to realize that all that is needed to accomplish this is to use one form of energy to actually cause another form of energy to enter the equation. In other words, if you add some current, that pulls in some kinetic energy in some way, when they are combined in the output all together, you should end up with more electricity out, than electricity put in. True free energy, yet not over-unity, or under-unity.
Now, does electricity actually even exist? Is it really just eddy currents? Is it just a magnetic field moving down a piece of metal (copper wire)? Just a few brain warp questions to ponder.
Okay, what do you all think? Am I way off base here? I do think we can achieve exactly what we want, and everything is still proven by the laws of physics. Like the 2 stage machanical oscilator, I dont have a link, but it's a great invention that really does appear to be an answer. Maybe a bit impractical for many uses, but still, a wonderful addition in my opinion.
I think it's very easy to get lost in definitions and terms. People come from many different backgrounds and use terminology differently. At the end, whether it's called free energy, overunity or COP, what matters to the users is whether everybody (or most) is able to get energy without having to pay for it and without depleting any resource. So the critical question could maybe be more along the line of "does it allow you to be (energetically and economically) independent"?
This would also allow hybrid solutions (where parts might not always work reliably or only at certain times).
Very true, I feel the same way. But the point I'm getting at is that maybe the answer to the big equation is simply understanding how things truly work. I'm just trying to see how far off I am with my understanding. You see, I think if we face the problem, and work it backwards, the answers we are looking for are right in front of us, we just cant see it yet because we dont know how to look for it.
For instance, send a current through a wire, it hits resistance and creates heat. Work the problem in a new way, super cool it, the resistance drops, and now you have a superconducter! Well, it may not quite be that simple, but you get the idea. I think most people are so concentrated on the output, they are over looking the input. Maybe... lol
Quote from: captainpecan on October 13, 2008, 08:42:47 PMthe answers we are looking for are right in front of us, we just cant see it yet
I guess we are somewhat in agreement. ;)
My idea was simply: We don't see it yet because our consciousness it not ready yet. We are not fully clear yet what we want. We want independence (well, a slowly increasing number of us does). Once more people become aware of this goal, they will develop the consciousness to start seeing the solutions/answers. More of a top-down approach than of a bottom-up approach (I know the latter one is so much fun but it's sooo easy to get lost). So let's trick people by choosing a term that has the word "independent" in it and "brainwash"
them us to become more conscious. ;D [Maybe add "responsible" to it also.]
Sorry for deranging your thread... Back to technical stuff...
QuoteMy idea was simply: We don't see it yet because our consciousness it not ready yet.
Possible, who knows..
Amen.
"Free energy" is a misnomer.
No says "unharnessed energy" or "previously undiscovered energy", just freeeeeee energy.
There is no such thing as free.
If it were truly free, it would be as much a hindrance as a benefit because it would crop up in the strangest of places queer'ing resultant energy quantification of "standard experimentation".
Let's stop looking for "free" and start looking for "undiscovered".
The only "free" energy I can think of would be to harness the energy in the expansion of the universe.
Stop looking for free, and start looking for energy that is already here but not discovered or utilized yet.
It's there.
But we haven't found it.......yet. ;D
Starting... Overunity is an incorrect concept. A device cannot produce more energy than it consumes. The extra energy comes from the vacuum.
I think the art of 'Free Energy' is the art of eliminate the current (amperage) from the system and start using open circuit paths, instead of using closed circuits. Of course, there are more choices, but I think this is the rule #1.
Yes, Energy from creative matter/Aether interactions is where the real efficiency is.....I take it you are speaking of Gabriel Kron's "Open path" negative resistor research?
I've no doubt that the correct nanomaterials of the correct geometry would produce energy right off the 'assembly' line.
Peace,
TS
Quote from: TechStuf on October 17, 2008, 07:06:32 PM
Yes, Energy from creative matter/Aether interactions is where the real efficiency is.....I take it you are speaking of Gabriel Kron's "Open path" negative resistor research?
I've no doubt that the correct nanomaterials of the correct geometry would produce energy right off the 'assembly' line.
Peace,
TS
If we look at the common electricity, we have a very big problem: we cannot get a high amount of AMPERES. The problem is the amperage. We can get all the energy we want. We have schematics about how to get energy from water (using zinc electrode + copper electrode), we know how to extract a good amount of voltage 3 to 12 Volts, from the air. You need more voltage? of course, you can multiply them and get a really high amount of volt, maybe some megavolts. But... what is the problem again? We cannot get a good amount of amperes!!! Amperage is always the problem. If we look at T. Henry Moray, Ed Gray, and a lot more inventors THEY ALL USE
COLD ELECTRICITY. Moray used a 30AWG wire and he draw 50KiloWatt of energy and the wire doesn't heat.
Here, we're always looking for the effective way to obtain infinite Hot/Common Energy. That is a really really Big Mistake!!! I'm trying to remember and I think I haven't heard about a free energy device using hot electricity. I have always read Free COLD electricity. And people here is trying again and again and again to obtain hot free energy, I think that is impossible or too much complex to accomplish.
I don't know a lot about this science but I think it's easy to obtain free cold energy if we know the basic theory about cold energy science. In youtube you can find some videos explaining the process.
The three big principles of free energy* Use correct a Dipole: the common science doesn't use correctly a dipole (battery). We're destroying a free energy device instead of using it correctly. The best 'secret' is that a Dipole is a FREE ENERGY device itself!!!
* Use Cold electricity: As you know, hot electricity is not efficient in the field of free energy science. When the hot electricity find a resistor, the energy disipates in the form of heat. In cold electricity, when the energy find a resistor, the energy amplifies. Also, the universe works in an implosion/constructive principle. Cold electricity means implosion because it is obtaining energy from the vacuum. Hot electricity means explosion/destruction and it's not efficient. Hot energy works against the universe laws.
* Use open path circuits: to obtain the 'extra' energy from the vacuum or other sources.
P.S No, I'm not talking about Gabriel Kron's negative resistor, I'm talking about the Tom Bearden's theory. I don't know the relations between Gabriel Kron's theory and Tom Bearden's Theory.
A comparation
Of course, as one guy has said, the term overunity is impossible. A device cannot produce more output energy than input energy. A car motor uses chemical (gasoline) energy to transform it to kinetic energy (movement), but there are a lot of losses (friction, heat...) and if we put together all the forces (kinetic+friction+heat...) the result is we have the same output energy as input energy, that's true. So, overunity concept is impossible. All is a unity.
So, the correct concept is Free Energy/Infinite energy/Unlimited energy... because the energy canno't de created or destroyed, only it changes.(sorry for my english). So, if we can't create or destroy energy, the concept overunity is wrong. The art of the unlimited energy science (all energy is free) is to tap energy from different sources (vacuum, dipole...) and use it. In other words... turn an 'invisible' energy into a usuable form. Each dipole is a transducer and this is very important to know. Each dipole is always extracting energy from the vacuum/other sources, but the main problem is that we don't know how to use a dipole correctly. The common science teach us how to destroy a dipole and it says us that energy in a battery is limited because amperage is limited. That's not true! Energy in a battery is limited because WE'RE DESTROYING THE DIPOLE. When we buy a rechargeable battery for the first time, the battery has voltage and amperes. For example: 1.2 Volts @ 1000mAH. So, 1000mAH is the maximum amperage that a battery can hold. If we use that battery and we charge and discharge it 10,000 times, finally we have to buy a new battery because that battery is almost destroyed. That battery will not have 1000mAH and if we connect a device to that battery, we will see that the device can run for a very little time if we compare the old battery with a new one 12V1000mAH battery. Why? The same answer again: because we're destroying the dipole.
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Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 14, 2008, 12:31:12 AM
Amen.
"Free energy" is a misnomer.
No says "unharnessed energy" or "previously undiscovered energy", just freeeeeee energy.
There is no such thing as free.
If it were truly free, it would be as much a hindrance as a benefit because it would crop up in the strangest of places queer'ing resultant energy quantification of "standard experimentation".
Let's stop looking for "free" and start looking for "undiscovered".
The only "free" energy I can think of would be to harness the energy in the expansion of the universe.
Stop looking for free, and start looking for energy that is already here but not discovered or utilized yet.
It's there.
But we haven't found it.......yet. ;D
All is discovered, stop thinking undiscovered and... What is the problem with the name? Call it free energy/undiscovered energy/unlimited energy/infinite energy/cold electricity/radiant electricity... What's the matter with the name? Are you only thinking in the name of that energy?
Goverment has hundred of extremely clever scientist working in labs and nowadays ALL IS DISCOVERED. Men have the technology to cure all the disseases, to travel to the stars, to resolve all problems. You don't know that? The problem is big company don't want to know you about that technology because if we know about that, they stop earning money.
Remember that 'Those who have the gold, make the rules' . Information is power.
The problem isn't we can't see it, the problem is we know incorrect theories or incomplete theories. We are using all the stuff we have learnt in school. All that stuff is not true or is incomplete, as our work here: wrong or incomplete. We have to start thinkin with new laws. Physics start wrong with the main concept of energy
Energy: is the hability to do work. Not a valid definition!!!
All around the world people are suffering because of the lack of "energy". However their suffering is not due to the lack of "energy", its due to the lack of TRUTH! - a guy from youtube.
So, stop thinking about the name and start thinking and experimenting how to use it.
Quote from: Magnethos on October 18, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
Of course, as one guy has said, the term overunity is impossible. A device cannot produce more output energy than input energy. A car motor uses chemical (gasoline) energy to transform it to kinetic energy (movement), but there are a lot of losses (friction, heat...) and if we put together all the forces (kinetic+friction+heat...) the result is we have the same output energy as input energy, that's true. So, overunity concept is impossible. All is a unity.
Exactly!!!! It's nice to see I'm not the only one that see's this. Many people think overunity means more ELECTRICAL energy out than ELECTRICAL energy in. But overunity would be ALL FORMS OF ENERGY ADDED TOGETHER, more out then put in. In fact, the laws of physics are sound. But when they are understood correctly, they prove EVERYTHING IS UNITY. Overunity and underunity do not exist. But by following the laws, they prove you can truely get more ELECTRICAL energy out than put in simply by converting more forms of energy, all into electrical.
Simple example. By most people's beliefs, a hydroelectric generator would in fact fit their version of overunity. No electrical energy in, and lots of electrical energy out. But it is in fact a free energy device itself, not overunity. It simply converts kinetic energy into electrical energy. But it's still EXACTLY UNITY!
Honestly, I think one area in which everyone misses TONS of free energy, is in oscillation. Anything that oscillates caries a great deal of kinetic energy in itself. Even an oscillating electrical circuit carries kinetic energy. That's why I believe that radiant spike on the back emf occurs in all our bedini circuits.
Quote from: Magnethos on October 18, 2008, 06:39:48 AM
All is discovered, stop thinking undiscovered and... What is the problem with the name? Call it free energy/undiscovered energy/unlimited energy/infinite energy/cold electricity/radiant electricity... What's the matter with the name? Are you only thinking in the name of that energy?
Goverment has hundred of extremely clever scientist working in labs and nowadays ALL IS DISCOVERED. Men have the technology to cure all the disseases, to travel to the stars, to resolve all problems. You don't know that? The problem is big company don't want to know you about that technology because if we know about that, they stop earning money.
Remember that 'Those who have the gold, make the rules' . Information is power.
While that may be true about information being kept by gov't (or others) from the general populace, to think that everything is discovered in the way of energy sources is just ludicrous.
I'm sure plenty thought that was the way of it when Franklin flew a kite 200 years ago or the 1st atom was split nearly 70 years ago.
If this information is being kept from us, then it still begs to be discovered by the general populace as it is still undiscovered by us for our use.
Quote from: Magnethos on October 18, 2008, 06:39:48 AM
The problem isn't we can't see it, the problem is we know incorrect theories or incomplete theories. We are using all the stuff we have learnt in school. All that stuff is not true or is incomplete, as our work here: wrong or incomplete. We have to start thinkin with new laws. Physics start wrong with the main concept of energy
Energy: is the hability to do work. Not a valid definition!!!
All around the world people are suffering because of the lack of "energy". However their suffering is not due to the lack of "energy", its due to the lack of TRUTH! - a guy from youtube.
So, stop thinking about the name and start thinking and experimenting how to use it.
You have to find "it" to be able to use "it" man.
I just think it's misleading to term it "free energy".
But I DO think that the experimentation and discoveries of individuals that come here and discuss these topics will be instrumental in freeing such knowledge to the world.
@ captain
How's your device coming along?
If you would discuss it here, perhaps members could help you to find a way of harnessing that energy and making it do work. ;)
Quote from: captainpecan on October 18, 2008, 02:58:03 PM
Exactly!!!! It's nice to see I'm not the only one that see's this. Many people think overunity means more ELECTRICAL energy out than ELECTRICAL energy in. But overunity would be ALL FORMS OF ENERGY ADDED TOGETHER, more out then put in. In fact, the laws of physics are sound. But when they are understood correctly, they prove EVERYTHING IS UNITY. Overunity and underunity do not exist. But by following the laws, they prove you can truely get more ELECTRICAL energy out than put in simply by converting more forms of energy, all into electrical.
Simple example. By most people's beliefs, a hydroelectric generator would in fact fit their version of overunity. No electrical energy in, and lots of electrical energy out. But it is in fact a free energy device itself, not overunity. It simply converts kinetic energy into electrical energy. But it's still EXACTLY UNITY!
Yes, I'm 100% agree. Most people says: I have achieved overunity!! and that is incorrect. Maybe they're extracting energy from unknow sources. But OU is impossible and Underunity is impossible. The Tom Bearden MEG has a COP>1, that doesn't means the device is producing some extra energy. The device is adding extra energy from other sources, but a lot of people don't know that fact. People thinks vacuum is pure vacuum, and the vacuum contains energy. But I read some time ago a very very good and curious explanation:
The problem isn't the vacuum has not energy. The key is that the vacumm WAS energy.
That means that there is a mechanism in space-time that recordes all. So, the universe remembers that it was energy a lot of millions years ago. And that 'lost' energy can be recovered tapping energy from the vacuum. I don't know much about that, but I have read that.
Quote from: captainpecan on October 18, 2008, 03:07:21 PM
Honestly, I think one area in which everyone misses TONS of free energy, is in oscillation. Anything that oscillates caries a great deal of kinetic energy in itself. Even an oscillating electrical circuit carries kinetic energy. That's why I believe that radiant spike on the back emf occurs in all our bedini circuits.
Uhmmm... I don't know much about that, but I have read a lot of times this:
“Ere many generations pass, out machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static, our hopes are in vain; if kinetic (and this we know for certain), then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature”, which he described as “a source so practical that the machinery to harness it will last for 500 years and so basic that it will undo existing theories. I think Tesla said that.
You can read more in 'Energy from the vacuum DVD 2'
Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 18, 2008, 04:52:36 PM
While that may be true about information being kept by gov't (or others) from the general populace, to think that everything is discovered in the way of energy sources is just ludicrous.
I'm sure plenty thought that was the way of it when Franklin flew a kite 200 years ago or the 1st atom was split nearly 70 years ago.
If this information is being kept from us, then it still begs to be discovered by the general populace as it is still undiscovered by us for our use.
You have to find "it" to be able to use "it" man.
I just think it's misleading to term it "free energy".
But I DO think that the experimentation and discoveries of individuals that come here and discuss these topics will be instrumental in freeing such knowledge to the world.
@ captain
How's your device coming along?
If you would discuss it here, perhaps members could help you to find a way of harnessing that energy and making it do work. ;)
I don't know is 100% is discovered (maybe not) but I'm sure 70 to 90% is discovered. Tesla discovered a lot of things 100 years ago. In the 30s Gabriel Kron's built a negative resistor. And the list could be infinite. And that technology exists since 50, 70 or more than 100 years ago and nowadays we're unable to replicate that technology (the populace). Imagine about the discoveries of today... Traveling throught dimensions? Time travel? All that is discovered?
That doesn't matter. The key is we have to start discovering little by little for ourselves. The big problem here is a lot of people is researching in different areas. Be sure that if only 10 or 15 users start reading all the literature and researching about... T. Henry Moray device, they will replicate the experiment. The problem is we need to research for ourselves without the aids of other brains, of course, some people help a few, but that is not enought.
So, the only solution is to read a really big amount of info and spend money building and experimenting the ideas and concepts. But... what is the problem here? If one guy builds a free energy device be sure that he will think... 'Hey man, I have spent a lot of time researching and losing money building, testing and reading and anyone has helped me. I won't show the schematics to the people' and the guy sells the experiment to a company or the experiment is saved in a closet. And the history starts again.... So, is very very difficult that we find here a very good free energy device for these reasons.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 18, 2008, 04:52:36 PM
@ captain
How's your device coming along?
If you would discuss it here, perhaps members could help you to find a way of harnessing that energy and making it do work. ;)
No fears, I'm gonna post it all here shortly. It's coming along okay, but it's been a pain scrounging up materials. I spent all morning untangling bird nests of friggin 28 gauge magnet wire so I had something to use, lol... Dont ask me how it got all tangled, unorganized I guess. Even if I get it closer to finished and it dont work as planned, I will release it anyway. There is something there for sure.
Megathos is right on the ball about Tom Bearden and cold electricity. I believe I have found the error.